As much as I admired them, I always stayed at arm’s length from German philosophers like Kant, Hegel and Schopenhauer because of their efforts to create theoretical constructs or systems that could explain everything. I once wrote a major paper on how Schopenhauer had accidentally identified a force in nature best described by DNA but that actual science had rendered most of what he had to say about it a little ridiculous. He was born too soon.
I am suspicious of political ideologies that suffer from similar sins of ambition, but I’m beginning to suspect that we’re all suffering from the opposite, which is to say that we have a bunch of pieces that are clearly related in some way, and we’re not figuring out what ties them all together.
Matthew Continetti makes a step in that direction with a new piece in the Washington Free Beacon. I find it alarming that the right is further along in this than anyone on the mainstream left. I suspect it’s because they’re less debilitated by taboos and orthodoxy than we are, but it’s also because the right too easily flocks to pat answers that confirm their preexisting prejudices. It’s not that they’ve arrived at the right answer; it’s more that they’ve been willing to walk further into the hall of mirrors and look around.
Or, maybe, it’s just more urgent to explain how you’ve been hijacked than to figure out why you’ve been defeated.
There are some answers people don’t want. The fascist movement in Europe may have been a response to real failures of our political elites, and it may have enjoyed broad popular support, but after we shed so much blood and treasure to crush the movement, and after the movement manifested itself in extermination camps and unlimited warfare, few people were willing to grant it any legitimacy or to waste time holding themselves accountable for wars they did not start and atrocities they did not commit.
That doesn’t mean, however, that the political elites didn’t screw up and didn’t in some sense bring the rise of fascism on themselves.
In our current crisis, there are things that have been done which people ought to have anticipated would lead to both a right-wing nationalistic enthno-religious backlash and an erosion in popular support for Western political arrangements and institutions.
“What binds globalism and identity politics together,” says Joshua Mitchell of Georgetown, “is the judgment that national sovereignty is not the final word on how to order collective life. This judgment against national sovereignty—let us state that matter boldly—was the animating principle of the post-1989 world order, an order that is now collapsing before our eyes.” When the Cold War ended, Mitchell writes, victorious elites in Washington, London, and Brussels began constructing a world where attachments to national identity would be attenuated or even severed. One would belong to a group above the nation—be a “citizen of the world,” an employee of a multinational corporation or NGO, a partisan of Davos, a subject of the E.U.—or to a hyphenated group below it. Capital, goods, and people would flow across borders in search of the highest return. The immense power of the United States would police this new world order and enforce the responsibility of states to protect their citizens.
Part of the New World Order, particularly in Europe, was a certain ceding of sovereign political power that made it harder for citizens to hold their representatives accountable.
But there was a price. “The separation of political power from the political community,” writes editor Julius Krein, “naturally follows from this separation of ownership and control” in the global economy.
Increasingly, power is shifted away from individuals elected to represent the political community toward unelected officials qualified to hold the positions responsible for administering the government—that is, providing for consumption. Like all managers, they derive their power from the administrative expertise and credentials that qualify them for office rather than from democratic legitimacy. They are accountable, that is, not to the political community but to the other managers that define their qualifications.
We haven’t been immune to this here at home, and similar concerns (from both right and the left) animated the movement to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. But we’ve also lost the ability to vote out the representatives we still elect. In fact, in two of our last five presidential elections, the popular vote loser won the contest, and our congresspeople increasing select their voters (through gerrymandering) rather than the other way around.
When the neoconservatives were busy ginning up their invasions of Afghanistan and particularly Iraq, they didn’t anticipate that it would result in a flood of Muslim asylum seekers in Europe, nor that they’d be arriving in a stagnating economic situation where austerity was being cruelly imposed by the central bankers on the southern tier nations most impacted by the refugee crisis.
We’ve had our own immigration problem, however exaggerated its threats may be. An inability to do sensible comprehensive immigration reform left us open for a populist backlash even if a smaller backlash explained our inability to act proactively.
The left tried it’s own populist uprising against lack of accountability on Wall Street for the financial collapse of 2008, but the Occupy Movement fizzled in large part because the Democrats had a president to defend and a positive agenda to pursue. That created the opening that Trump ambled into, and it explains why the populist uprising was ultimately right-wing fascist in character.
And it is fascist.
Take a look at how Continetti concludes his essay:
There are some conservatives who seem to believe that there is no such thing as the American people, only an American idea. But this gets it backward. Without the people, there would be no idea. Americans may come from all over the world, we may profess every religion, but we are bound together not just by our founding documents but by those mystic chords of memory of which Lincoln spoke, by our love of the land, its natural beauty, its inhabitants, its history, by what our people have achieved, what they have lost, what they have endured.
What’s uncomfortable is often necessary. That is the case today. Reducing illegal immigration, reforming legal immigration to prioritize skilled workers and would-be citizens, asserting national prerogatives in trade negotiations, spending on the military and defense research, “betting on ideas” rather than on social insurance, bureaucracy, and rent-seeking, saving the idea of national community through the promulgation of our shared language, literature, art, film, television, music—this is the beginning of a nationalist agenda. But only the beginning.
This language is Volkish, to put it mildly. It touches on the same mystic chords as National Socialism. It’s weak insistence that we come from all over the world is undermined by it’s uncritical endorsement of mass deportation and limits on the wrong kind of legal immigration. This shows who the real American people are and to whom the land and history belongs.
There is the opposition to “communist” ideals of basic economic justice, characterized derogatorily as “social insurance” and “rent-seeking.” Independent art is defunded and put in the service of a “national community” and a “nationalist agenda.” There is, of course, a massive increase in defense spending and a general arms buildup. Meanwhile, Europe is coerced into doing the same under the pretext of paying their fair share.
So far, a good part of the left’s response to this is to blame our institutions for failing without, at the same time, insisting that what we have deserves defense against this alternative.
At the extremes, you see a defense of Putin. He was put-upon by NATO expansion. His interference in Ukraine was purely defensive in nature. Our country has interfered in elections, too. Or the European Union is so flawed why not have Brexit? Why not rip it to shreds? Fuck the German bankers; they deserve their comeuppance.
What you don’t see enough is a recognition that Putin is leading a transnational ethno-religious movement against the West. And this is an attack on the pearl of postwar progressive achievement, which is a Europe where nationalism and militarism is tamped down and human rights and social justice are emphasized.
A commenter recently asked me what I feared from Putin. Did I expect Putin to take over our nuclear triad and take it out for a spin?
He asked this in all sincerity as if Putin hadn’t just intervened to elect a downright moron as our president. And as if that moron weren’t saying that the West is morally equivalent to Putin’s Russia. As if he wasn’t encouraging Brexit and the breakup of the European Union. As if he weren’t saying that NATO is obsolete. As if he hadn’t recommended abandoning our allies in Syria to Putin’s mercies. And as if Russia were not working overtime to help elect more right-wing ethno-religious leaders in Europe.
There’s a place for self-loathing criticism, especially if it can productively help counteract this fascist movement while there is still some time and some hope. Personally, I think it’s too late for pointing fingers at each other. The left is too weak to engage in a lot of recrimination. Our mosques are already burning and our Jewish centers are already under attack. In Europe, Merkel may soon be out and LePen in.
This is the context I see, and it’s why I find efforts to defend Russia and call this all some kind of second phase McCarthyism so misguided. It reminds me more of the folks who defended Stalin until it was no longer possible in good conscience to do so.
This is not to say that we shouldn’t take the speck out of our own eyes before we criticize others. We have to understand what we did wrong that made this virulent political pathogen so deadly. But that doesn’t legitimize the pathogen or make it any less necessary that we rise to defeat it.
So, one way to go at this is to continue to highlight the appalling historic parallels. But, another is to recognize that there is a common theme running through all of this, and it’s largely about a lack of political accountability for our elites. I wrote recently that the left is protesting calmly and peacefully for now, but may not remain so docile once they realize how nearly impossible it will be to take power away from the Senate or House Republicans regardless of what they do. But, really, the riot has already started.
For Continetti, the answer is Trumpism and Putinism, even if he’d never agree that that is what he’s arguing. But that absolutely cannot be the answer.
But what is the other answer? Federal agencies under Obama crushed Occupy as they have all other positive social movements The right has both more guns and is more resilient than their opponents. And as you pointed out, you’re basically stuck defending an existing order that caused the problem (lack of accountability).
The answer is to fight the republicans at EVERY level. State, county, city, federal. Recognize there is no common ground and hit them with double the intensity that they bring. It’s the only way.
Well that I agree with.
But it isnt just republicans that created the lack of accountability in the internatiobal system Booman identifies as a root cause. What policies can tackle the accoubtability issue at an international level?
The answer is to fight the republicans at EVERY level. State, county, city, federal.
We need to fight the Democrats too! Do you know why? Cheeto is supposed to give his first big address before Congress(is this one called the SOTU? No idea.) next week, I think. Do you know who the Democrats tapped to give the response? Steve Beshear. I can hear the sounds now. WTF is that?!?! He’s a crusty old white guy. A former Governor of Kentucky who no longer hold elective office. How bad is he? He’s to the right of Joe Manchin on pretty much everything. Seriously. Look it up.
They chose Beshear because they’re going to hammer Trump over Obamacare, using Kentucky as the exemplar. It’s a smart strategy.
LOL!! You’re telling me he’s the only person that can do that?
I’m telling you he’s the perfect person to do that, because he presided over the hugely successful Obamacare implementation in Kentucky. Should I use smaller words?
I know who he is. Red State guy, took the medicaid expansion and saved a lot of lives. Kentucky repaid him by electing a douche who promised to take away their healthcare. I’d say the Dems made a shrewd choice here.
It’s not misguided, it’s an attempt by Glenn Greenwald to avoid accountability for his own actions and deflect from his responsibility. He has continually moved the goal posts on this issue. In fact I myself was hesistent on the issue because so much of it was at the time circumstantial. But rather than admitting he was wrong and take his lumps, Greenwald does what he has always done: deflect, tu quoque, and write 5,000 word essays reconstructing the past to fit his predefined narrative about how heroic his actions were and how stupid and authoritarian you will look in the future. Now that Trump has won, he can’t keep up what he did leading up to the election itself, so there’s a shift in the focus so that The Narrative Remains the Same.
?? if we’re looking for people who ought to be held accountable I think there are hundreds of names on the list above Glenn Greenwald. Maybe thousands.
I am no fan of Greenwald even if I agree with him sometimes but you’re right. Aside from Snowden he’s been and remains a pretty small fish.
But I didn’t say that. I just said Glenn’s column amounts to a deflection of his own wrongness even in the face of mounting evidence for the purposes of satisfying his own already large ego. And since his column was cited in the context of people not being held accountable, with a charitable interpretation of being misguided rather than purposeful deflection, it was worth pointing out his actual motives.
I wonder if he’s still attached to his theory of the “Deep State” leaking on Trump because they really want to take out Assad and are trying to force his hand on foreign policy.
I think the answer is that the “third wayism” and “triangulation” of Blair and Clinton is dead. There is no way you can make a deal with Trump without being contaminated. Social democracy is dead if all it can do is ameliorate the effects of hard right lunacy. You can’t motivate people by claiming to be the lesser evil. The very fact that you refuse to deal with Trump will force him to ever greater extremes, until some time when even political illiterates realise this cannot go on.
Merkel will retire at some stage and Schultz will be a worthy successor. Macron will defeat Le Pen and Brexit will be an utter disaster. The EU will survive, and so will US democracy. Putin is almost irrelevant to all of this. He is only the President of a second rate and not very successful power. It is only his machismo that has some kind of hypnotic hold over Trump. The rest of us can handle him.
You guys, in the USA, are going to have to struggle to survive some tough times. You will have to work hard to address the real issues of real people on the ground and no longer be beholden to Wall Street and Silicon Valley elites. You will have our best wishes and support in the rest of the civilised world. But Europe will not fall. We will see to that.
Greece thanks you.
Greece should never have been let into the Eurozone because it didn’t meet the convergence criteria and cooked their books with help from Goldman Sachs. Mind you, they would probably be even worse off outside the EU.
That said, the EU didn’t cover itself in glory in dealing with their problems, and for that you can thank the dominance of centre right Christian Democrat parties and their austerity policies within the EU. The determination of Germany to run trade surpluses is also bound to be destabilising over time, so either Germany or Greece should leave the Eurozone unless Germany is prepared to agree to a degree of fiscal integration.
However none of this even approximates the war and destruction Europe faced on a regular basis prior to the EU. Having rows over a lack of re-distributive policies is preferable to war, and yes Greece, by opting to remain with the EU, does seem thankful for that.
We felt optimistic in the recent past, too, Frank.
And you will again. I appreciate the structural hurdles you have to overcome and which you have so well documented, but you should never under-estimate the human capacity for change. Trump is still in his honeymoon period and hasn’t yet had to face any major challenges. The economy will boom for a period and then collapse. Who will be held accountable?
My advice is assume nothing about the French and German elections, and don’t discount Russia’s ability and willingness to intervene with purloined emails, fake news, and every other thing they can think of.
We live in an era where cybersecurity is an issue and the willingness of popular news media to distribute misinformation is probably at a zenith. But people will learn to be more discriminating in their news consumption and also more discerning as to who is really on their side. If you don’t believe that any more, you probably shouldn’t be involved in politics…
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And never mind the immense evidence to the contrary we’ve increasingly lived these past several decades.
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No, you should, you absolutely should. Hard to see hope from anywhere else.
With the current political setup, there’s basically no possible German government except an Grand Alliance of SDP-CDU and the only question is whether Schultz or Merkel is Chancellor. Neither will deal with AFD, but AFD’s vote share is large enough to make either a right or left majority very unlikely and a SDP-GRN majority (i.e. no LINKE) basically impossible.
France I agree could see a “black swan” given the generally sensible economic policies Le Pen favors. Exiting the EU would be a big mess but otherwise it’s pretty good.
When you explain how the nation state can address globalization I will become confident again.
The only answer from the Germans: just export like hell. Unfortunately not everyone can manufacture and design Mercedes.
With the global context I DO NOT BELIEVE ADVANCED COUNTRIES KNOW HOW TO GENERATE EQUITABLE GROWTH.
But we never have. Proceeds from growth have always accrued to the owners. Distribution is a political problem. We had to fight tooth and nail for labor regulations and we had to pry every single penny we got from the holders of capital. Workers don’t have pricing power over their labor without regulatory intervention.
Davos man reanimated Social Darwinism using “THE SCIENCE OF ECONOMICS” that says the rich getting richer is just like geology – unstoppable forces.
and fully merited.
What happens to europe when US corps repatriate the trillions that’s parked in their banks?
Not sure about why we were defeated, but one of the “How’s” might be the combination of:
1-Director Comey’s timely allegations,
2-Coupled with number 1, the November issues of National Enquirer and the Globe(whose Publisher is a good friend of Trumps), both had, on the front page,
glaring headlines stating “HILLARY! LIAR! CRIMINAL! HILLARY’S HITMAN TELLS ALL!”.
These tabloids, of course, are sitting in the check-out lines of every supermarket, every 7-11, every mini-market across the nation for people of all stripes to glance at as they await their turn to buy their goods or pay for their gas. Independent voters just got their
minds made up for them in the check-out line.
Why the tabloids are not being sued by the DNC or Hillary is beyond my understanding. They should sue
for an amount in the billions to ensure the demise of these spurious rags.
OTHERWISE,
Trust them(the tabloids) to work for DJT in 2020.
Hillary was a terrible candidate, absolutely the wrong candidate at the wrong time, and ran a status quo campaign when America clearly demanded a major change of direction. The other stuff hurt her, but that was the essential problem.
They got their change all right.
Well you sort of threw everything but the kitchen sink into this one, from the German philosophers to Putin, so there are a lot of avenues for response…
What indeed is the human future to look like, as the battle of Political Reaction vs Progress proceeds on its disastrous course? Reaction seems clearly to have the upper hand as the predictable failures of capitalist globalism exploded in everyone’s face, although the original authors can retire to the south of France or Bora-Bora should they choose. The world’s two great nuclear arsenals are now in the hands of two men seeking to “restore” national greatness, with the anti-EU Brexiters not far behind, and internet Volkist cheerleaders like this Continnetti dude running through the routines on the sidelines.
As we watch our scientists identify a dizzying array of planets across the galaxy, we can be pretty certain that no Star Trek future awaits humanity. As humans add another billion or so mouths every few years, crushing the planet and all other species underfoot, we can see that economic concerns and ruthless individual competition are insurmountable and trump every other value, no pun intended.
The global capitalists promised a utopia of win/win/win regimes, when they knew that only capital would benefit from their New World Order. The reality of ever-greater economic insecurity poisoned the ideal of Progress and gave energy to the New Nationalism of Putin and Trumper. There is no economic “need” for much of humanity, so jobs are now the highest order of value, everything else be damned. And lack of economic security focuses hatred on the illegitimate “other” that has somehow taken the “birthright” from the aggrieved native, etc, etc…
So we’re all nationalists now, haha. The joke is on both sides, of course, since as the political Battle to the Death now proceeds across the globe, what should be riveting the unshakeable attention of humanity is placed so far in the background that it is no longer even in the circus tent. I mean of course the looming irreversible destruction of the 10,000 year old stable climate, which will render the terms of the familiar battle of ideals rather obsolete, and make simple survival the terrible reality. And all 8 billion ain’t gonna to survive in the 4 degree F hotter world the climate scientists predict.
The New Nationalists surely don’t care about the “hoax” of climate change, and the world they envision–without global institutions—has no power to do anything even if they understood an ACTUAL existential crisis has presented itself. And of course the forces of progress now have the rise of the New Nationalists to deal with as first order of priority.
There was an original Star Trek episode where an emotion-eating alien somehow contrived to place equal numbers of hostile Klingons and Humans aboard the Enterprise and then set the ship off towards the Andromeda galaxy while the passengers engaged in ceaseless hand to hand combat for century upon century. Probably a commentary on unthinking nationalist hostility and militarism, yet it resonates somewhat to the current state of human affairs and the blithe unconcern for the real crisis at hand…
I’m not exactly a Putin fan (though I might recognize a few of his criticized actions as something that another country would also have done but not be criticized for).
But the issue isn’t that Putin isnt a bad guy. Its that every minute talking about Putin is one less minute talking about other real issues. Perhaps this is by design, since Democrats seem to still be undecided on whether to go with camp A or camp B on issues.
Actually, Putin IS a bad guy — and the problem for us is that the people now running the country (into the ground) are taking their cues from him. Where do you think this fascism, white supremacy etc. is coming from anyway? I mean sure, there’s plenty of home-grown racism, etc., but the reason it’s suddenly become so virulent is that it has the support of international fascism, the present world headquarters of which is Moscow.
True there are other components. Rampant corporatism of the old-school GOP kind, now unleashed. But that’s no more or less real than the fascism, and really blends right into it.
If these are not real issues — well they certainly exacerbate all the real issues.
How do you figure that fascism would be weaker in the US without Putin? Trump would likely have won anyway and Bannon built his fascist quasi-news site without Russian aid (afaik anyway).
To me, it sounds like blaming Hitler on Mussolini. Sure, Mussolini might have thrown a party or rubbed his hands with glee when Hitler won, but that didn’t cause it.
More then just mischief …
Mercer :: Brexit – Mercer :: Trump – Mercer :: Crux
I read this as neoliberalism failure. The endless search for profit, everyone for himself, the rising levels of inequality and ignoring anyone who might object, like a worker making $7.25 cause that is what the “market” is in the face of foreign competition. We are an insular people all living in our own worlds except those who are unhappy with it all.
Trumpism and/or republican control of government will not go away easily. I heard Bannon proclaim more of this is coming. I think it would collapse if business suffers. But they will reduce taxes on business and the elites and throw a few bones to the people. Those who elected this monster may be the last served – too late.
That’s capitalism, not neo-liberalism.
Purism will get us nowhere. Neo-liberalism is hyper capitalism. There are more benign forms of capitalism — regulated capitalism.
Bernie Sanders is not against capitalism, he’s against neoliberalism.
Some say he’s not a socialist. He is a socialist of the Eduard Bernstein school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bernstein
What I want to know is whether it’s ok for M. Millerand to enter the Waldeck-Rousseau cabinet or not.
How are we defining neoliberalism? I see that term a lot here, and with increased frequency over the last few years. Is it simply a pejorative to be lobbed at whomever is designated as an enemy – whether from another party or within the same party? Or is there some more formal definition guiding the usage of this term? I use neoliberalism as a term from time to time myself, but I do so with an idea that it is 1) a rather difficult term to define and 2) is really more of a set of overlapping theories that when put into practice have a certain set of consequences that are different from other forms of capitalism, including the forms of capitalism espoused by many supposed socialists.
As I understand it, neoliberal is shorthand for “a democrat who does shit I don’t like.” At least that’s what I’m going with, given the context free frequency that the term gets tossed around here.
Seems a fair assessment of the situation. It’s a shame. The more neoliberalism is used casually as a pejorative the more meaningless the term becomes in conversation. There are folks who have bothered to read some portion of the works of theorists who might be classified as neoliberal, as well as a somewhat overlapping subset who read works by scholars critical of neoliberalism (or what was called late capitalism when I was still in college). That work is thoughtful and nuanced – at least my experience to the extent I have any spare time to devote to the topic (admittedly not nearly enough). In the process, I’ve come to a point where I can be critical of a particular form of capitalism as practiced while still supporting the basic assumption that international cooperation is essentially positive and necessary. In the meantime, complex terms used in context will grab my attention and I might be willing to entertain ideas or actions that I will simply refuse to bother with if all the other person is doing is engaging in context-free name-calling using five-dollar words (yeah, it’s a step up from the cuss words, but it fails to impress all the same).
It’s actually pretty simple. If you believe Clinton was an acceptable candidate for President (even if you supported Sanders in the primary), then you are a neoliberal.
And conversely, if you believe Glenn Greenwald is the preeminent moral authority of our political discourse, then you are not.
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At this point, when I see the term used here by certain folks, I translate it as “poopyhead” and move on.
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Granting that the term, though perfectly valid, useful, and meaningful, gets tossed around carelessly at times.
That’s a reason to correct misuse/abuse, not to toss the baby with the bathwater.
All imo, of course.
But then I’m big on preserving actual meanings of language, against attempts to appropriate them for self-serving propaganda.
I’m fine with not throwing the baby out with the proverbial bathwater. That said, it’s difficult anymore to have much in the way of patience for those who use neoliberalism merely as a catchphrase to tar their opponents. I am less inclined to use neoliberalism here in the pond. If I do, it is with the an understanding that in its current definition, its origins are in the Austria and Chicago Schools of economic theory, and policies promoted by any of a number of politicians and parties across the globe. I also use the term with an understanding that how it is applied in different regions across the globe will vary, and that its impact in the US may be considerably different from, say China. I also tend to be sympathetic to its critics, with the exception of right-wing nationalists. I’m a global cooperation guy, and that’s non-negotiable.
capsule definition, to ask what about it isn’t currently dogmatic rightwingnut orthodoxy:
With the exception that Trump’s at least pretending to buck party orthodoxy on “so-called” “free trade” (biggest misnomer ever? nothing “free” about it, nor should there be). The most problematic thing about “neoliberalism” as a descriptor is that it invites uninformed people to imagine it is just some minor variation of “liberalism”, when it’s practically the opposite. Ditto for “economic liberalization” in wiki’s summary definition above.
Sure, some stupid/ignorant, gullible Dems have been appallingly friendly to elements of that agenda (especially debt/deficit hysteria, a la Simpson/Bowles).
But it’s the GOP economic agenda top-to-bottom. Dems certainly need to make themselves more of a consistent alternative/opposition to it than they have. But it’s the GOP that thoroughly embraces it. It’s misleading/dishonest not to acknowledge that (as happened last election).
Definitely agreed. Just looking at last election season alone, which platform was promising to transfer wealth from the rest of us to the very wealthy? Hint: it wasn’t the platform the Dems ran on. It wasn’t the campaign HRC ran on, contrary to what passes for popular opinion in some circles here. And what do we have going on now? Who’s promising tax cuts to the rich? Which party threatened to sell public lands to private corporations? Who’s promising austerity (repeal ACA, gut Medicaid, gut Medicare, gut Social Security)? Haven’t exactly seen the Dems advocate those positions. To argue anything else is dishonest, at best.
The much-derided “lesser-of-evils” is . . . go figure! . . . less evil!
To the point of not even really being evil at all, just predictably, humanly flawed, inevitably less-than-perfectly aligned with the precise program preferred by each and every individual, good on some stuff, deserving opposition on some other stuff, etc.
I.e., as it always was, and is, and ever shall be.
That’s still insufficient to inform a sane, rational, binary choice by some people.
Yet when was the last time you heard “neo-liberal” employed pejoratively against a GOPer?
Has that ever happened?
The party that regrettably sometimes exhibits some neo-liberal tendencies (or has individual members who do so) gets continuously castigated as “neo-liberal”, usually from within or from putative allies.
The party that fully and unequivocally embraces neo-liberalism lock, stock, and barrel never seems to find itself on the receiving end of this criticism — where it’s most valid — including from the critics who seem so acutely incensed by alleged or actual neo-liberal Dems.
What’s wrong with this picture?
I think we essentially agree on all of that. If I am failing to communicate that, my apologies. I really thought that was already sorted. I would love to see a much more concerted effort to offer a critique of the GOP as a neoliberal party – even when it tries to play nationalist. There is so much ammunition to work with and it would sure beat the circular firing squad that seems to occur among those of us who really should be allies.
Neo-liberalism has many definitions depending on the context. Within the Democratic Party the defining document is Charles Peters “A Neoliberal Manfesto”. It is a reflection in part of the inflation of the 70’s and the challenge that presented to traditional Keynesian economics. Robert Reich wrote a book in 1982 that I think was influential as well.
Neo-liberals hated “interest groups”. It was a blind spot: these groups were indefensible in providing counter-balance to corporate power. Few in the center-left today would say the environmentalists have too much power, or the unions have too much power.
From 1982 to 1984 I worked for a neo-liberal: Gary Hart. Neo-liberalism can be associated with the rise of the DLC. They embraced deregulation, called for limits to union power, and questioned the War on Poverty. I could spend many words arguing that Hart never was a DLC type, and that what he represented shared little in common Clinton and Tsongas, who would come to define the movement.
I don’t usually win the argument though the people it actually matters to is limited to about 100 veterans of Hart’s staff and campaign.
Critics (Bradley Delong did this about a year ago, and he claims the title of neo-liberal) look back and see a general failure to appreciate New Deal institutions that regulated capitalism.
One may speak of the neo-liberalism crack-up in 2 ways:
Neo-liberalism failed because people’s lives didn’t get better. Free trade created losers, and those losses proved beyond the ability of government to ameliorate.
To some extent the rise of Sanders is simply a rediscovery of what was learned in the New Deal.
There are other things to say. The 80’s neo-liberals tended to be skeptical of the use of American military power, to this extend I think it differentiates people like Hart from the DLC types who sought a “more muscular” foreign policy. This debate ended in Iraq.
Part of the confusion is that within the American political context neo-liberals were arguable NOT supporters of what is globally thought of as neo-liberalism. If you use the word outside the US, neo-liberalism means a set of policies embodied in the “Washington Consensus”.
More specifically, when policy completely deregulates markets, removes protections for the economically less powerful in negotiated transactions, and converts public infrastructure to private ownership, the economy operates more closely to the model described by Karl Marx in Capital. Financialization invades politics and culture and causes the crapification of manufacturing.
Mixed economies work well despite their reputation for being either creeping socialism. But even mixed economies require defense from expanding the realm of the private into goods and services that the society agrees should be available to everyone.
An essay that is a very good start.
I have quoted this here before, but it captures the moment better than anything I have read in the last 10 years, it is from Zeynep Tufecki:
Obama put the Party in a bind. He did more than enough to be worth defending, but never was able to address the larger crisis. As a result Democrats wound up owning the bank bailouts and stagnating wages (the latter which had been happening in the decades that preceded him).
So the result was an economy that was better than it would have been, but not good enough. Only 3% in the 2016 exit poll said the economy was excellent.
This is from Obama’s last speech:
I would note in passing that one of the sources of this cynicism stems from the failure to hold the banks accountable in any reasonable degree given the harm caused.
But the larger point remains. The simply truth is that for 3 decades after WW2 we knew how to create wealth AND improve social justice. Unions covered many private workers and had the political power to provide a counterbalance to the rich. Laws were enacted to protect the environment and ameliorate the worst excesses of the free market.
All of this happened within the confines of the Nation State. 1980 was the inflection point: the decline of the nation state diminished the effectiveness of the tools that managed to create capitalism with a human space. Concurrently the shift to services (where unions were largely unsuccessful in organizing) accelerated the decline in unions.
Many in the economics profession itself have not caught up. Perhaps most notable is the specter of Brad Delong penning thousands of words in a defense of NAFTA.
Delong, with the certainty he thinks his profession can provide, asks at the end whether suspicion about free trade can be anything more than racism. This in fact has been the reaction to many in academia, who note with glee that it wasn’t free trade but rather automation. There is something odd in that glee – a class based glee in striking against know nothings.
But the reaction was not what Delong expected. Even Summers argued globalization has had a role in wage stagnation – something that very much shocked Delong.
People like Delong were blind to the severity of the crisis – to the fact that economic stagnation was creating dysfunction he had not anticipated. That “transition costs from trade adjustment” destroyed communities in ways that they were unable to recover from, and that in reality governments did not know how to address in any real way the fallout.
The reason why Sanders matters is he comes from a tradition that allows all of this to be understood within an ideology that defends tolerance, abhors racism, and has some notion of the global good. This tradition (and the Jewish tradition has its role in his thinking as well I think) grounds questioning of trade deals, or abuses in the H1-B program, within the context of ideology that emphasizes justice for all.
Absent that context it is easy for racist and xenophobic forces to gain strength. But if you fail to understand the crisis created by the decline of the nation state, you fail to understand how dangerous the times have become.
And you don’t see that Trump was inevitable.
A conversation with a Frenchman on Le Pen…
Me: Globalism proved to be a success for the 1%ers, the rest of us–not so much. And there are still very strong cultural identities that the Global West respects everywhere else BUT in the West, it seems.
Economic nationalism makes sense. Labor will never be as nimble or as ruthless as capital. Ethnic nationalism is too often simple rabble rousing to avoid the hard work of good political solutions. Assimilation is the sore spot these days.
Him:
Ah, how can the EU work, different wages, taxation, labour régulations…Renault Industry France makes profits only because of Dacia Roumania, an other EU member with low wages. Slave labour in Spain for fruits and vegetables, brought by bus on the plantations. Indios. And so on. The EU bans Economic Nationalism in the name of free trade among the members. Î believe this has a major impact on the emergence of all these far right mobs that surf on ethnic nationalism. Best clients of our National Front, disgruntled communists and far left unions, even some teachers unions are going that way now. They are made to believe it is the last call to protect there jobs from globalisation and emigration. All mixed up.
○ The anti-capitalist, secular Jew from Brooklyn
I am not a Socialist, but I think the left needs a framework to make sense of the times.
One weakness of Clinton types (not meant pejoratively) is the difficulty they have in constructing a framework. They have an array of proposals – many of them good – but struggle to create an organizing theme around them. As a result they spend a great deal of time thinking about messaging. Their speeches seem like laundry lists of proposals and not a diagnosis of the current moment.
Bernie Sanders spent little time thinking about his messaging. He knew it because he brought a framework to think about the moment.
We need to develop a nationalist viewpoint not based in either xenophobia or race. One that makes room for the immigrant, but takes seriously the concerns of those who might see themselves as in competition with them.
European Democrats with Responsibility to One Another
I consider European nations by and large Democrats with a Social heart. Socialists in terms of communal enterprises have been eradicated through the liberalization of the Third Way in the 1990s. The EU is a capitalist union of nations. The Israeli kibbutz witnessed idealists living in a community sharing the same houses, educating their children and sharing profits.
○ The mystery of the kibbutz: how socialism succeeded
I’m not sure I agree that the Republican President tied anything to ‘economic revival.’ That was always transparent bullshit. He tied it to blame. Blame is powerful. Blame motivates and activates. It can be racist or not; either way, it works.
And our party, for many reasons–the fact that we’re pro-Wall Street, pro-status quo, our loyalty to Obama, our deluded belief in logic and argumentation, Clinton’s personal positioning–we largely refuse to use blame.
Now we’re starting to blame someone–the Republican President and party. It’s kind of late, but there it is.
“… and the Jewish tradition has its role in his thinking as well I think … ”
It sure does.
Globalism is only part of what started in 1980. What started was neoliberalism, and what that means is, basically, “I am a financial investment, therefore I am.” In other words, everything should be a financial investment, and if it isn’t, it will either be discontinued or replaced. Everything has become subject to marketization and financialization, and judged by money.
The result is the disappearance of civic values and a healthy public sphere. Culture has to be either tribal, or financial. Both parties are heavily into neoliberalism, the Democrats especially thanks to Bill Clinton, a front for Rockefeller interests. But the Republicans masked it by emphasizing tribalism. Identity politics was the Democrats’ equivalent, but it was heavily legalistic.
I’m not against identity, but identity politics, that is, the politicization of identity, has had its day. We all have to pull together. We won’t lose our identities by doing that, but we have to recover our civic identity.
Anybody who grew up post WW2 and whose parents who weathered the Depression and were involved in the war and the war effort, grew up with those national civic values.
People blame the 1960s? Yes, but not in the sense they usually mean. Those civic values were literally assassinated in the 1960s. It wasn’t the hippies that did that.
“Neoliberalism.” The word you are searching for is “neoliberalism.”
Depends on how you define “mainstream left.” As usual, you’re using the category in a sloppy manner. We’re all over this. You guys, not so much.
Thanks, Trotsky.
Enjoy your Mexican vacation.
A illuminating ad hominen, don’t you think? Had not considered that all the old tropes would be hauled out to defend the system.
Sounds kinda defensive to me. And as ad hominems go, completely non sequitur. He has no idea. Weak!
None of that matters, except the ‘against the West’ part, which as an end justifies the other stuff, as means.
Or so I’ve heard.
Anyone care to predict when Trump proposes legislation to return the US to 1920s era immigration laws that exclude nationalities deemed somehow inferior?
Also, when do we hear about repealing the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship?
He already issued an executive order to that effect, didn’t he?
One of your best, Boo. I wish common sense were a little more common.
Political structures have evolved over the centuries from those based on family loyalty to those based on national identity. Eventually they will have to be superseded by structures based on our shared humanity, independent of national borders; I don’t see us surviving otherwise. The problems we face are increasingly global and only collective global solutions can solve them. This is where progressivism must ultimately take us.
Progressives can’t be against any trade agreements or other forms of “globalism” (such as international trade courts or other global forms of arbitration) and still move toward that future vision of a global society. Progressives have to find a way to push for global political and economic structures that work for everyone, not just elites, that allow accountability, but also allow cooperation and shared management. This will require us to move beyond notions of loss of sovereignty” .
“Eventually they will have to be superseded by structures based on our shared humanity, independent of national borders; I don’t see us surviving otherwise.”
” Progressives can’t be against any trade agreements or other forms of “globalism” (such as international trade courts or other global forms of arbitration) and still move toward that future vision of a global society.”
You’re either very naive or you didn’t understand Booman’s post. This really is the propaganda of the global elite. You don’t have to be a fascist to disagree with it. But if you don’t see the dangers of it, especially in the extreme form you cast it in, you just don’t get where this fascist uprising is coming from.
Well I guess I’m naive, along with William Gladstone, H. G. Wells, Alfred, Lord Tennyson, Woodrow Wilson, Immanuel Kant,… . I still prefer their company to nationalists on the right or left.
We’ve experienced what their abstract idealism led to.
We’ve experienced where fanatical nationalism has led us. Someday we’ll move past it. Too bad we had to take a step backward in this last election and in Europe’s Brexit. Too bad that there are some on the left who applaud it.
That’s been one of the more disappointing aspects of the fallout from 2016: the applause of nationalism by folks whom I would have thought would know better. In the meantime, I am reminded about that quote about how history seems to rhyme a lot. As a civilization, we’ve been through this nonsense before. Last time around, the world was engulfed in a 31 year war (bookended by two world wars). This particular nationalist wave could not have come at a worse moment, when global cooperation on a variety of matters (especially with regard to climate change and its consequences) is critical for our continued survival. So, for those needing to crow, knock yourselves out. I’m thinking about what my kids and eventual grandkids will inherit.
The Democratic Party holds less power than at any time since before the Great Depression.
Maybe instead of engaging in hippie punching you should take a moment and ask why. Ask why so many downscale voters who voted Democratic abandoned the party. Ask why they believe their voices aren’t being heard.
Ask why these defections are so enormous.
Or why the young, who hate Trump, felt so distant from the Democratic Party that we saw increadible defections among them.
Since the election most of you and your amigos have spent time blasting the left. From what I have seen you have not spent one second trying to figure out why other than blaming those meanies in the Press and the Sanders people.
It was YOUR politics over the last 8 years that have lead to the destruction of the Party at virtually every level of government.
And all you have are snide remarks.
What Zeynep refers to as sneering.
I hate to tell you, but none of it is Bernie’s fault, nor the fault of his supporters.
And the Party knows: Bernie has an approval rating of nearly 80%.
You talk of history.
Tell me, when in history does exploding inequality not lead to war. What happens when elites stick their head in the sand when the majority sees their wages stagnate for fucking generation.
This is reality for half the population, under policies supported by both parties.
Some of us are trying to figure out how to create an agenda that addresses it.
You just want to blame the left.
I WAS part of the left and I got fed up. You might ask yourself why someone who might have been more aligned with your position would want to distance between themselves and the left. I have good reason to believe that I am not alone. I too struggle financially. Last decade I had a full time job that paid so little that my family was on programs like WIC. Current gig is better, but I rarely get cost of living increases – haven’t seen one in about three years. I moonlight to keep the lights on. I work in the public service sector. I see the effects of years and decades of financial hardship. I know people personally who would not have had insurance without Medicaid Expansion and without and the ACA exchanges, I may well have been going to some funerals over the last couple years. Not joking. Deadly serious. So spare me the lecture. When it came down to brass tacks, the choices were pretty stark – leadership that at bare minimum would at least prevent things from getting worse or “leadership” that would be a disaster from the get-go, hurting the very people who are already in pain even more. Did so-called leftists have a viable alternative? No. Jill Stein? Give me a break. She’s a crackpot and her party is little more than a series of post office boxes in most parts of the US. Sit home and cheer as the world burns? I am acquainted with plenty of folks in my community who did just that (I still keep tabs on a Sanders group in my area), and lo and behold I never see them show their faces at any organized events in my area. I wonder why.I see no viable organizational structure for an alternative party, nor do I see a coherent theoretical and policy narrative that would connect with those of us real living breathing human beings who slog through day to day. As far as hippie punching goes – that term needs to be swept into the dustbin of history, just as the hippies were several decades ago. When that term “hippie punching” used, it strikes me as the equivalent of “I want my pony” style whining. Quit playing victim, and quit making excuses for why our left cannot get its shit together. In the meantime, there are more important matters at hand.
No one plays the victim like you.
You really only comment to offer snide political remarks. You offer nothing of substance other than to conflate Bernie with that idiot Jill Stein.
Bernie must be the same as Stein, because if he is not your entire political view collapses.
Unfortunately he is not and you make little sentence.
There are plenty of Bernie people in the meetings I go to in New Hampshire, and plenty in Florida too.
Happily most of the people in the Party reject what can only be described as your astonishingly self-destructive view politics.
The fact of the matter is that quite a number of Sanders supporters – at least in my region – were vocal supporters of Stein after the primary. Glad they had the privilege to afford the catastrophe that has followed. And I suspect mileage will vary in different parts of the country. My part of the country was not particularly keen on Sanders during the primary. That’s just reality. My state was one of many that was overwhelmingly Clinton during the primary. I may have at the time disagreed with that majority, but life goes on, and Trump was and still is the threat that we should have united to prevent from entering the White House.
In the meantime, what is the so-called “Revolution” doing tangibly to make life better for living breathing human beings who really are struggling? What is the “Revolution” doing to combat voter suppression efforts which disproportionately affect those of us who are most hurt by such efforts? I could go on with the questions, but why bother? I have yet to see any tangible alternative to strengthening local Democratic parties in need of strengthening and rebuilding those that went fallow. The folks who are going to do that work are going to largely fall somewhere within the political mainstream, and are likely to include a good many folks who supported a candidate for President last year that leftists fussed and whined about the entire time. Are leftists actually willing to work with the rest of us? By the looks of your rather hostile replies to me, I am not especially optimistic. If the comrades ever get it together, let me know LOL.
https:/fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat
I’m sure we could play battle of the links from now until the cows come home. But what’s the point? I get the feeling we’re basically talking past each other which strikes me as basically a waste of our time, and I don’t imagine that will change any time too soon. So it goes.
The way I look at it, a reply, while addressed to the “parent”, is part of the entire thread, and potentially read by anyone reading the thread. So yeah, we are talking past each other, but meanwhile other people are observing the exchange. The reason we’re talking past each other is that we don’t agree on the premises.
I will just say this. When you say concentrate on the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders’s “Revolution” (your scare quotes) is going on WITHIN the Democratic Party, and the current participation of many people in their local parties has been inspired by Sanders.
Sanders’ strategy was not to lead a third-party movement. A very small number of followers (if they even were) did not understand this, and after he lost the primary, switched to Stein. I saw these people in action while I was standing on line waiting to get in to a venue in New York to hear Sanders speak. A few people just in front of me were clearly Jill Stein organizers, and a couple of others, who they obviously knew, were going up and down the line trying to pass out Jill Stein literature. From overhearing their conversation, I gathered at least some of them had come in from New Jersey. They clearly had their own agenda.
If you see the Sanders phenomenon as something apart from the Democratic Party, that may be a peculiarity of your locality but it also may be your personal bias.
I guess I should be happy that you have had a better experience than me. For the record, somewhere else I have noted that each of our mileage may vary. I take some comfort in the fact that in spite of my locality’s differences from yours that in the aftermath of this last electoral disaster some plain ordinary folks have found reason to do some combination of get involved in the county party, any of a number of organizations (whether the splinter group from Pantsuit Nation, or Indivisible), have shown up at demonstrations, town halls, and whatnot. We’re seeing numbers that suggest that the party headquarters might actually have some activity. The possibility of bumping the GOP out of supermajority status in our state legislature within the next couple cycles would be cause for celebration. Also for the record, I was supportive of Sanders’ candidacy. Thing is, especially given the stakes this particular cycle, I saw plenty to like in what the party had to offer and what Clinton offered as a candidate. She really was the anti-Trump and that was a good thing. My beef is probably going to be with the cadre who never did let go, and who to this day show nothing but ire for those who were okay with what the mainstream had to offer. My snark, when there is snark, is largely aimed at that a specific group of individuals. Nothing more. Nothing less. As for appeals to inconclusive data that could be interpreted multiple ways depending upon one’s narrative or appeals to authority (“but Nate Silver said…”) probably are going to fall flat with me. Any leftier than thou condescension will also fall flat (not naming names, but there is a good deal of that going on here still, and increasingly I am simply inclined to ignore the usual suspects as I see no point in conversing). Right now I am focused solely on what can be doable locally and what is in the best interests of the generations that will still have to deal with the world we’ve created for them after I’m nothing more than a distant memory. Arguing with those who want purity and want it now just doesn’t get my mojo workin’. So it goes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-peace-with-tom-perez_us_58b20c99e4b0780bac2a0267?
It’s going to be a long slog. It was going to be a long slog if Clinton had won the electoral vote. Any meaningful change I ever observed was the result of patient persistent pushing. Let’s see what happens. In the meantime, I am sure each of us has a few fires to put out at home. I know that’s my situation.
I have been a part of the Democratic Legal Protection efforts for over a decade. Most of the Florida and New Hampshire that I have worked with in those efforts were for Sanders in this cycle.
Ever been part of a lawsuit to keep polls open? Ever been part of a lawsuit to prevent the thousands of voters from being dis-enrolled?
That is what Sanders people that I know have been involved in for over a decade.
In fact, some of those people filed suit under the ACLU banner in 2004 because the Florida State Party was too chickenshit.
You have nothing to offer but hate. You slander thousands who work for environmental groups, work as social workers. Give time to their communities in a variety of different ways.
In New Hampshire Sanders people ran for the State House, and one for the state Senate. In Florida a candidate ran for the House near my old home because Bernie inspired him. Sanders people ran as candidates in state and local races all over this country.
I am not going to let you get away with slander. You and your merry band want to continue to blame Sanders.
You talk of hostility: you literally never offer any substance other than snide hippie punching. A slander most pernicious because it ignores the fact that the young supported Bernie.
Tell me: what possible reason would those people have to listen to you?
When challenged you never offer any evidence of your own, you retreat into your own victim hood while slandering others.
All your wing of the party has brought is disaster and defeat. You know this: which is why you seek to blame others for your wing’s own disastrous performance.
Knock, knock knock!
Person@door: Hello, I’m here to get you to vote for Hillary!
Homeowner: Hello, I plan on voting for her, but I’m worried about her foreign policy.
Person@door: I know! She’s a neocon who will start a war with Russia!
Homeowner: Errrr
Person@door: And those emails! Did you see what Podesta said?
Homeowner: Errrr
Person@door: it’s proof of her corruption!
Homeowner: Errrr
Person@door: Most disliked democrat EVER!
Homeowner: Errrr
Person@door: If only Bernie was running, what a Saint!
Homeowner: Maybe I’ll just stay home
Person@door: LOTS of people I talk to say that! Such a bad candidate!
Homeowner closes door.
Sounds like you do some valuable work. I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have the skill set and knowledge base that you have. Keep putting that to use. Interesting you mention slander and given the categories of workers you mention, I guess by your definition I would have to slander myself. Strikes me as something I would find as an odd activity.
My knowledge base and skill set are a bit different. When it’s not paying gigs, I’ve worked in a consulting capacity often as a volunteer. It’s been a part of my professional life for quite a long time now. Turns out I have a knowledge base and skill set that make me valuable to small organizations and agencies devoted to, say, drug and alcohol abuse prevention and domestic violence prevention (including partner abuse and child abuse/neglect). In the state I used to live in, the agencies that were tasked with those services began to lose not only their soft money (grants) for these valuable programs but also a lot of their hard money. Regrettably, austerity (which has been uniformly a GOP-initiated set of policies) is more important than human services. Same thing is starting to happen in my current state.
I assure you I never would think to punch a hippie (too many of them were mentors of one sort or another to me when I was much, much younger and I have too much reverence for my elders to ever think of such a thing), nor would the thought have occurred to me back when I was more into the anarchopunk scene. Punching Nazi skinheads might have made more sense to me back in those days, but those were really different times, and my views on nonviolence were a bit more flexible back then. We’ll leave it at that. The whole hippie punching thing at a metaphorical level makes no sense to me either simply because there is no relevance for the term hippie. If Nazi punching is possible on a metaphorical level, I’m at the ready. But again, I don’t really see that as exactly a pressing problem on this blog. I loved anarchists back when I was younger for one reason: I didn’t have to worry about party lines and purists, whom I found annoying even in my early years. I didn’t agree with them on much of anything (my background was probably something out of the old Frankfurt School) but they tended to be open minded enough that I could easily join in on actions or engage in sometimes very heated arguments over all sorts of theoretical trivialities and still knock down a few pints and enjoy some laughs afterwards. So I probably don’t quite represent the wing of the Democratic Party that you might be assuming. In fact I was an outsider for the longest time, allied only initially because of those damned wars Bush started about a decade and a half ago. I probably picked the worst possible historical moment to come to terms with the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Since I seriously doubt we interacted any at all until last year, you would have had no way of knowing that. So it goes. Whatever assumptions we have of one another are best taken with a few grains of salt.
The reality is that you and I do not mix well. We probably will never mix well. I don’t have a problem with that. Nor should you. Sometimes personalities clash. It’s part of being human. My guess is that we’ll probably end up mostly ignoring each other from here on out unless there is some way to mend fences. In our case the problem is likely less ideological than style. We’d have to be able and willing to accept the way we each communicate. If that is not possible, I suggest we just stay out of each others’ way.
“Our Revolution” [note correction] (i.e., any parts of the Dem coalition that do not explicitly align themselves with Our Revolution)
Most saliently, is it more or less than those who do so self-align? What’s the evidence supporting your answer?
I guess I’m trying to gently suggest here that:
I can accept points 1 and 2.
Let me repeat something that apparently I need to repeat constantly: I’ve self-identified as an independent until very late in my life, and at one point self-identified with any of a number of theories/theorists whom many would be horrified by the mere mention (although a great deal of soul searching, for lack of a better term, has led to me re-evaluating the meaningfulness of much of what I believed given 21st century conditions). Sanders campaign inspired me to change registration to Democratic. I’m sympathetic to what he, you, and quite a number of others are trying to accomplish. Perhaps more so than mere pixels on a screen could ever begin to convey. That said, my patience for some of the antics I see here and in other contexts wears thin very easily. Please don’t ask me to be less jaundiced, because realistically it probably won’t happen. I should be more careful with my wording, and should be more careful not to tar a whole bunch of decent folks with the antics of a handful of bad apples. I’ll try to be more mindful going forward, if that is any comfort. We probably want a lot of the same things.
The Populist movement of the late 19th century waged a fierce battle against Wall Street… The organization grew by fielding 6,000 educators to explain to small farmers, black and white, how the system was rigged against them and what they could do about it.
They explained monopoly power.
Mat Stoller tweets:
Actually fascism rises when public institutions cede power to private governance (aka finance & monopolies.
…and
Who was really governing your life the last eight years? Obama? The GOP in Congress? Or Comcast, Aetna, Google, Bank of America, etc?
The Constitutional Apocalypse, by Les Leopold, calls for 30,000 educators going to the people to teach about neoliberalism.
It is waaaay too easy for DNCers to say..”no difference” when there is a world of difference that they want to avoid talking about.
Political structures have appeared from those that handle only small populations to structures handling populations of more than a billion people. That’s the most that you can say at this point. I don’t know that there is a solid argument everywhere that they evolved just like in the West. Nor do I think there was inevitability about what happened. The fact that the problems we face are global do not by that fact mean that political institutions will arise to deal with them. That is progressive liberalism’s ideology and vision of its goals, no more.
Your second paragraph does not follow at all. Trade agreements exist because trade laws exist. Trade laws can change unilaterally and often do.
At the moment we are saddled with a bunch of trade deals that were special favors for particular industries of the negotiating countries. The don’t necessarily serve the public.
Loss of sovereignty in the Trans-Pacific Partnership meant that the corporations who were privy to the negotiations were in fact the negotiators with prior claim to the national publics of the respective nations in whose name the countries nominally were acting. The agreements were of the negotiating corporations, by the negotiating corporations, and for the negotiating corporations with the national government enforcing corporate privileges (like expanded copyrights). It was a loss of citizen power to corporations.
Tarheel, the TPP had many faults, among them a ceding of power to corporations. But couching this problem with the agreement in terms of “loss of sovereignty” is a mistake. All international agreements require we give up sovereign power for a greater good. Loss of sovereignty is the language of nationalists. It’s regressive. It argues that all international agreements and power sharing structures are suspect. It’s the language Trump uses.
Progessives who attempt to employ nationalism to push their agenda do so at grave peril to the fundamental ideals on which progressivism is built.
We must find a way forward that does not tur its back on global power sharing and problem solving.
This sovereignty issue still isn’t clear to folks who are interpreting it through a post-Trump-election lens.
The issue with the TPP was what American citizens got in return for giving up the sovereignty of US law of some matters of trade, patents, copyright, and other regulations. What they got was international tribunals of corporate-friendly administrative judges who would put their fingers on the scales in favor of corporate interests and against local regulations. That would over-and-over undercut the will of the people in passing reasonable regulations for protection of health and safety, for placing limits on the monopoly power of copyright and patents, for restricting monopolies, for requiring honest dealing in securities.
Anything law or regulation that could be construed as a non-tariff restraint on trade could be eliminated just by taking it to one of these tribunals and winning your case–no appeals, no way of walking back bad decisions.
You wouldn’t replace national governance with interdependent economic relationships; you would replace it with corporate feudalism. It was in no way global power sharing and problem solving; it was a gimme for the large transnational corporations headquartered in the respective countries involved in the agreement, only 600 of them.
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How about
Just guessing that distinction underlies at least some of pjr’s dispute.
A distinction you seemed to at least sorta/kinda acknowledge with
I.e., “progressives” should ‘be against trade agreements or other forms of “globalism”‘ that don’t do that bolded bit.
This was my thinking, thanks for expressing it better.
Another way to put it: can we come up with global structures progressives can support? Because a retreat to Nationalism isn’t the answer. The fascists have already staked out that ground.
If you build supernational structures without a democratic framework in which the population can peacefully change the direction of said framework you will end up with a structure that will eventually fail to change direction when it needs to. And then you have mostly bad options left. The eurozone is a warning example.
I find this rally to the flag statement too broad and winds up rallying us to whatever miserable detail currently exists.
Let’s start with what is worth defending:
The norm of the US Constitution as amended as the marks of how the US government, and by devolution state constitutions operate.
And independent judiciary, which thanks to Judicial Watch ours is rapidly disappearing.
An independent media with a commitment to a faithfulness of record of who, what, when, where, how, and why. Respectful analysts and commentators whose objective is the good weal of the society. (Not so long ago, one could assume this with reasonable accuracy.)
An election process that reflects the will of the voters. There are still a lot of places that turns out to be true. Politicians manipulate the margins.
The right to petition the government for redress of grievances and the expectation not to be stonewalled because a corporate interest has a higher priority. The right not to be attacked for exercising that right.
The ability to fluidly form associations in order to win elections and the expectation that they are what they claim to be.
What is more important than rhetorically insisting that these things and others are of value and must be preserved in acting consistently as a political force to ensure that they are preserved in practice. Figuring out how to do that, beginning with the rights of due process in deportations, is the primary mark of resistance that deserves its name.
And making that dicey is the fact that the fascist movement has enlisted the gun lobby as its facilitator of private armies.
Of course, the equal protection of the law, the right of diverse communities to exist, and the negotiations that go on between communities with different ways of doing things are the ferment out of which much American creativity and improvement have come. Aside from mentioning “identity politics” in passing, Continetti focuses on national sovereignty in a way that makes one think he has a more specific meaning than the assumed sovereignty of the government of a nation state.
[The transition from the ills of the past 16 years to the rediscovery of the nation state is so sloppy that I’m tempted to give up on Continetti’s explanation of Trumpism. But it’s consistent with the care shown by Breitbart.]
By contrast, from Wikipedia:
There are two things that Continetti skips:
How exactly does he distinguish between the members of the American political community and outsiders?
After mentioning multinational employees in passing, why is there zero attention paid to the effect that border-spanning corporate legal teams have on the sovereignty of nations and their citizens? The credit default swap meltdown and the global pattern of tax evasion are two effects that are far more onerous to ordinary citizens than European Union regulations.
So pleased to be the sharpening stone on which you grind your ax. When you have clarity about the risks of a Trump-Putin relationship, I would be interested in hearing about them. I comfort myself that my position is close to that of Stephen Cohen’s.
To my mind, the major risks of Trumpism are domestic, concern police and the restraints on police, and demonstrable fascist. It is too bad that Trump does not have the restraint to use the fascist institutions in the government bequeathed by previous Presidents (and not just one of them either).
By the way, Occupy was suppressed by multiple raids in 19 cities over a three week period in which overwhelming force was used against peaceful protesters. And now, bogus felony arrests are being used to try to immobilize protesters. But rhetorically defending what’s great about America is more important than actually defending what’s great about America.
Recommended reading once again: Radley Balko, The Rise of the Warrior Cop. Now with Continetti, we might soon see fascism in practice and in theory.
Without having taken the trouble to read English translations of 18th and 19th century German sentence structure, my impression is that the big political issue for Kant, Hegel, and Schopenhauer (Marx as well) was why did revolution fail in Germany. That’s a bit of a jest, but there is enough truth in it. I notice that Schopenhauer is enjoying a minor revival. Expect Hollywood to capitalize on it by screening a movie called The Triumph of the Will — a romantic bio of Leni Riefenstahl.
BTW, there was a distinctive Trumpist imprint on the recent eviction of the water protectors from Cannon Ball ND. It was an interesting posse comitatus that showed up in force to enforce the eviction notice. And they were gratuitously rough even in witnessing compliance.
I was wondering who would respond to BooMan’s mention of Schopenhauer. Thanks for doing so.
You’re right that Schopenhauer’s undergoing a minor resurgence of interest. Right now, one of the bloggers I follow, John Michael Greer AKA The Archdruid, is in the middle of a series on philosophy in which he’s expounding on Schopenhauer’s “The World as Will and Representation.” Our host’s comment that he authored a paper on how Schopenhauer found a force that could really be interpreted as DNA has made me curious. I’d like to read more about it.
Yes, this.
Holy fuck, I thought that everyone with more than a few million brain cells understood that electing STRONGMAN TRUMP as President was the ABSOLUTE WORST possible outcome, besides, perhaps, electing Ted Cruz as President. Which, while worse, was far less likely than Strongman Trump.
I frequent many more unfriendly places than a left-wing blog such as this. What I gathered back in fucking 2015 was that Strongman Trump wasn’t Strong because he himself was dangerous, but that he himself, occupying the highest executive office, i.e. US Sheriff, would tacitly allow 63+ million idiot bigots to act out as the right-wing authoritarians they’ve been itching to act out as for the past 40+ years.
I received literal death threats, as a white fucking male, simply because I’m clearly on the wrong side of the upcoming race war, as a liberal.
And I was supposed to be super ultra mega upset that Hillary Clinton was the Democratic candidate for President, as if that was a surprise for anyone breathing more than 8 times per minute for the past 6 years.
Holy shit. Thank you, Booman, for providing as near an Amen-esque post as possible.
I supported Sanders. I voted for Clinton. But most importantly, I didn’t silently say “oh well” and shit on Clinton in public every chance I could. Because, again, I have more than a few million brain cells functioning, and I breathe more than 8 times per minute.
That said, for a look to non-authoritarian anti-Trump “conservative” opinion makers, who really are on our side…seriously, take a look here. It’s a blog that was previously known as GOPLifer, with an ex-Republican who is a literal RINO. Which isn’t a bad thing.
http://politicalorphans.com/americas-shadow-third-party/
This particular post attempts to analyze how the US has always had three political parties, with the southern conservative party “hijacking” one of the two mainstream political parties. It’s accurate in its procedural analysis and is worth the read.
One thing that has to always be remembered: the South has almost always operated as a one-party region. Whether it was through the ancient Democratic party, or the modern Republican party, the entire region essentially votes and acts as one state. It operated entirely under the banner of the Democratic party, and then after the civil rights movement transitioned to operating under the Republican party.
Instead of fighting over whether to capture working-class whites, middle-class whites, or more minorities, liberals should perhaps focus on winning over people who aren’t particularly Southern.
Find a way to appeal to the majority of people outside of the South, and to a substantial minority in the South, and you win…without having to sacrifice ethics, principles and morals.
Thank Jefferson and Jackson for the architecture of that one-party region. The “two-party system” was post-Civil War norms anyhow.
As best I can tell, Republican conservative proselytizing has Southernized many people and some geographical areas outside the South, just as the Ku Klux Klan gained a national foothold after World War I.
Also, as marie3 constantly reminds me, most of the Sun Belt was settled or urbanized by transplanted Southerners and tends to think in the same one-party terms.
At the same time, there are more native Southerners who have repented of racism and do not support the notion of a one-party state (except for the necessity of opposing the current GOP).
America has three political parties: whatever the GOP leadership is currently selling, whatever the Democratic leadership is currently selling, and those who are moving one way or the other because of the differences in sales pitch from the last election. Those are not consistent positions from election to election.
For mid-term elections, brand is more important now than sales pitch. And that is more a function of local networks and local media than ideology or policy.
The problem was not southern whites, who in my opinion are largely unreachable, but northern whites, particularly downscale whites, who are starting to vote like southern whites. See the chart above for the shifts.
If it continues the Party will be basically confined to the coasts and cities, and will not hold power in the foreseeable future.
I would identify four parties:
Both 1 and 4 are growing. Historically 1 and 4 were less likely to win a general election than 2 and 3, which is why 2 and 3 have tended to control each party’s nomination. The collapse of establishment credibility left both 2 and 3 reeling. In point of fact the left generally was not a serious threat to win the nomination, with rare exceptions.
To win 4 has to be able to talk to POC. Bernie did reasonably well among Hispanics and among young northern African Americans, but got killed among southern African Americans. It is not an accident the Sanders people got behind an African American for Party Chair.
To hold power 3 will use identity to avoid any discussion of economics. I would bet on 3 continuing to hold power, and they be able win a Presidential election if their opponent is an idiot (see Trump)
Again and again and again your analysis founders on this point. Progressive economic reform was the policy centerpiece of the Clinton campaign. When Obama had Democratic majorities he passed the largest redistributive law of the last 50 years and instituted a massive overhaul of the finance sector. Once stymied legislatively he worked through the department of labor and the newly enacted CFPB to further improve the regulatory environment for labor and consumers. The fake left has to pretend none of this happened for their criticism to bite.
Looks like Perez will have it. He is within 1.5 votes of a win on the first vote. Consultants rejoice.
“Educated Democrats, and POC” does violence to the plain meanings of words in the (American) English language, and is thus propagandistic and an impediment to honest communication (whether intended that way or not).
“The left”, by definition, is everyone to the left, politically, of some hypothetical median voter.
Any attempt to use it to mean something else is obfuscation in service to some agenda, which I reject, regardless whether the intent is to include me in “the left” for pejorative purposes or to exclude me from it for perceived lack of purity.
I am “the left”. Deal with it.
I think you are onto some good thinking with your four constituencies. The practical problem of the moment is finding a coalition of them that constitutes an opposition movement to the Trump administration and Republican Congress and to the ALEC-driven state legislatures.
Sanders got killed among the African-Americans who were constituents of the African-American members of Congress early pledge to Clinton. Clintons had a long relationship with these people. They are now free to be open to collaboration with the left except for the McCartyite painting of the left in the circular firing squad post-election. But there is a fraction of the left that unalterably sees liberals (and thus the Democratic Party as the enemy constantly sucking out momentum. But that fraction is not terribly large despite its noise.
At the moment enough of 2 is aligned with 3 to prevent 3 from trying to appeal to 4. And 1 is bumptious with the confidence that they are finally in power. And it seems that 4 is ruled by pessimism that might lead to sitting out politics. POC have to talk with 4. That hasn’t happened since the early days of the Civil Rights movement in the 1940s and 1950s. The current movement is more toward the Vernon Jordan than the Bayard Rustin and Robert Moses. When #blacklivesmatter is too edgy for 3, there is a failure of nerve. (The problem with 3 on #blacklivesmatter is seeing it as identity politics, when it really is about civil liberties that affect all ethnic groups, just in a greater proportion for African-Americans.
OK, I think your de,termination to demonize Russia is dangerously short-sighted. I lived through the McCarthy/HUAC/Moral Majority/John Birch Society years and I think you’re too young to remember that. The last eight years caused me a lot of concern, because Hillary, after a hopeful beginning, seemed to be captured by the neoconservatives and has been trying to reignite the Cold War, or even have a hot war, with Russia, even though we have no reason to. The current hysteria is frightening. I wish you would write a column explaining exactly what actions by the Russians you think justify sanctions against the Russian government, and how you know they actually did those things. I mean seriously, exactly what actions. Don’t try to sneak out of it by saying, “They interfered with our election and caused Trump to be elected.” They did no such thing and if you continue to claim they did you should be ashamed of your lazy ignorance. Poking sharp sticks at the second most powerful nuclear power on the planet is profoundly foolish.
It could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, amirite?
I lived through the McCarthy/HUAC/Moral Majority/John Birch Society years too, and what you don’t seem to get is that the people who support Trump and admire Putin are completely different from the people who were witch-hunted and blacklisted at that time. In fact, they are very much like the people that cheered McCarthy on.
Putin and Trump are fascists, and Russia today is the world headquarters of fascism and white supremacy. There is abundant evidence that the Russians did what they are accused of doing, and they are doing it right now in many other countries as well. Your equanimity rings false.
OK, I think your de,termination to demonize Russia is dangerously short-sighted. I lived through the McCarthy/HUAC/Moral Majority/John Birch Society years and I think you’re too young to remember that. The last eight years caused me a lot of concern, because Hillary, after a hopeful beginning, seemed to be captured by the neoconservatives and has been trying to reignite the Cold War, or even have a hot war, with Russia, even though we have no reason to. The current hysteria is frightening. I wish you would write a column explaining exactly what actions by the Russians you think justify sanctions against the Russian government, and how you know they actually did those things. I mean seriously, exactly what actions. Don’t try to sneak out of it by saying, “They interfered with our election and caused Trump to be elected.” They did no such thing and if you continue to claim they did you should be ashamed of your lazy ignorance. Poking sharp sticks at the second most powerful nuclear power on the planet is profoundly foolish.