This says it all:
…”Christians are a lot more bold under Bush’s leadership, he speaks what a lot of us believe,” said Mummert.
“We’ve been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture,” he said, adding that the school board’s declaration is just a first step….
Teaching Darwin splits Pennsylvania town
Evidently reason in public discourse is no longer an option.
via Atrios and Independent Report
Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut comes to mind.
I found the story here having recently seen the film on DVD, which was surpringly good.
Soon it will be illegal to think.
H.L. Mencken reporting from the ‘Scopes Monkey Trial,’ July 11 1925:
So, will this scene repeat itself in Pennsylvania, 80 years later?
And with Hunter S. Thompson gone, who will be our H.L. Mencken?
or even before. As I previously noted in a dKos diary, the U.S. youth culture has an apparently unique aspect we could well do without:
“Interestingly, most European schools have the crowds that Americans call ‘populars’ and ‘druggies,’ as well as crowds oriented around certain types of music (e.g. ‘metalheads’) and antisocial crowds, but athletically oriented crowds (‘jocks’) and academically oriented crowds (‘brains’ and ‘nerds’) are rarely found (Arnett, 2002)…students who try hard to do well in school are made fun of in the United States, but not, for the most part, in other countries.” (Adolescence by Laurence Steinberg, p. 177)
I would be interested in hearing from the “world” folks whether this matches with their personal experience. And if it’s true, where did we go wrong? How can we fix it?
Alan
Maverick Leftist
I’d be interested in this report also from any of the ‘world’ people who could discuss this.
shares this particular trait.
And I would have to agree that in the US, it begins before adolescence, and continues through adulthood.
Nor is it limited to particular ethnic/economic groups, although when it is discussed, it is usually related to inner city or low income minority kids.
Yet it is just as prevalent in the affluent suburbs.
I think it is viewed by many people around the world, in places where a very high value is placed on education, as a singularly curious phenomenon, that people should be proud to be ignorant.
The closest thing to it I can think of are people in extremely isolated areas of Pashtunistan who consider that a woman’s ignorance enhances her purity.
I’m fascinated (and horrified) by this phenomenon. As I say, I had previously assumed this was a pretty well universal phenomenon. Or if not universal, surely not found only in the U.S.! But alas, it apparently is. Your “closest” example, as you are no doubt aware, isn’t that close since it is more about oppression of women than anything else.
I wonder: has it always been so in the U.S.? Something about the people that immigrated here? Or something about the way our school system was set up? Can it ever be changed? (If it can, I’d tend to think it would only be by “breaking the link” between successive classes of students, by somehow segregating the “new breed” from the old.)
How did we ever rise to such a lofty economic and technological position despite this horrendous socialised handicap?
I’m also intrigued that you talk about this being a phenomenon viewed around the world as a “curious” one. Certainly I can understand how they would feel that way; but I am surprised that people around the world actually know about this. How do they?
Alan
Maverick Leftist
I can tell you that oppression of women is not about women at all, but social control. If you will forgive me quoting myself and simultaneously displaying my new gray box skills:
and perhaps therein lies at least a beginning of an answer to the question under discussion.
Your mention of the schools reminded me of things I have read about the “philosophy” of public schools; namely that their intent is not to produce enlightened and educated masses, but to train youngsters to sit quietly and do as they are told for several hours every day, and to impart only the basic education that will enable them to produce more profit for their employer.
The problem with that is that such a notion is not unique to the US, so there must be some other, larger factor.
“How do people round the world know about this interesting American cultural trait?”
That is easy. Americans love to travel! 🙂
uhhh, ummmm, welllll, NO..yah,,that’s right, yes sir.
(are the only responses, allowed by the general public, and accepted by the government. according to the brain surgeon general Rove)
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