Martin Longman a contributing editor at the Washington Monthly.
He is also the founder of Booman Tribune and Progress Pond. He has a degree in philosophy from Western Michigan University.
The bush administration does have the disgusting stench of rotting fish about them.. Had to sugar-coat it, you never know when the black helicopters lurk overhead.
When I see one of those fish insignias next to a “W” sticker I become enraged. Now it seems they have two, two, two asinine stickers in one.
My husband saw a fish symbol on a car the other day that had the word, “Chips” inside the fish. I had a chuckle from that one. No, I’m not anti-Christian, just anti-wearing Christianity on your damn sleeve or car.
I have been looking for a bumper sticker that says, “God bless everyone, no exceptions.” I’ve seen them on cars but haven’t come across them anywhere else. I didn’t look online because I don’t use a credit card and thus, don’t shop online.
Not using credit cards, by the way, is a political decision, by me, not to feed the monsters such as MBNA.
to put mayonnaise on an Italian hoagie, the very least you could do is mix it with mustard. The mere thought of such hoagie desecration has obliged me to rethink my own snack plans.
I will have to have some bacon, raisin toast, and chocolate milk, and regroup.
but you must consider how the oil and mayo mix together to make a new and profoundly delicious liquid that is then spiced by the gabbagool and preeshoot.
Bad confession: I like to order fish at nice restaurants. But, unless the fish is extremely fresh, I need to disguise it a bit … and the only thing that does it for me is tartar sauce. It’s so embarrassing to order a side of tartar sauce at some restaurant that’s grilled my fish with a touch of ginger, etc. I feel like such a bumpkin. But I’m addicted to tartar sauce.
P.S. Darcy spreads tomato paste on her cheese/avocado/greens sandwiches.
Mix:
ketchup
mustard (regular ol’ French’s is fine)
melted butter
Drizzle it liberally over cut-up potatoes in a baking pan … nice young red potatoes are best, but any kind will do. You can even use frozen french fries.
buy some beef, any old kind. Pound it brutally, ruthlessly,on both sides.
In a pan, mix mustard, ketchup, garlic, salsa inglesa (worcestershire), cut up onions, sweet bell peppers, more garlic, jalapenos ( non-sectarian chunky chop). Add some water and some more garlic.
Put it in the oven (fire should be about 325).
Turn it over frequently, baste, etc. Should take a couple of hours.
I am a mayo lover on italian hogie too.
Had to quit eating them though…the last place that actually made a good one changed hands and replaced the prajoot with ham, and the provolone with white american. Assholes.
Many thanks to you, my dear! That was just too damn funny!!
Here I was, head in hands, stewing over a client project I’ve been trying to pull together for many days. And you made it all worth the trip over here, Susan. Ya gave me the second wind I’ve been looking for, and now I’m in such a good mood I’m even willing to forgive Boo for puttin’ mayo on that masterpiece. (Good Lord, dude! Get out the rosary beads and start doing some penance.)
You also got me on the tartar sauce issue. I was raised in an environment of avid fishing and great cooking. (among many other things) The first time I brought my husband up north to meet my parents, my mother served a fabulous walleye dish with fresh garden herbs in an ever so delicate garlic cream sauce. Oh to have had a camera in hand when my husband asked her for tartar sauce! Talk about a Kodak moment! (And it only took her the second visit to smack him down with the comment, “You should spend a lot more time thinking, and a lot less time speaking”.) ZING!
And hey – I’ve been out of touch with anything related to the media. What’s going on with Kerry, Dean and Kucinich?
Despite my comments about tartar sauce above, I almost NEVER buy or eat fish anymore. I feel it’s my tiny way of preserving the oceans.
(I do buy shrimp sometimes for my cats as a treat … god, do they adore it. They’re also great judges of the freshness of the shrimp. If it’s the slight bit old, they won’t touch it. I’m pretty sure that’s all farmed shrimp, and probably from — oh which country is it — not Thailand, but somewhere near there.)
My daughter told me that halibut was polically correct and safe to eat.
West coast people used to be called ‘the salmon people.’
I eat canned salmon because it is all wild, mostly stolen from BC waters by Alaskans. [testing my flame proofing, ]
The fish icon was a code for Christ in the days of Roman persecution of Christians. Now, it’s being used by fake Christians as a symbol of their persecution of the rest of us.
from
Sidney by the Sea
home of the best, best fish ‘n chips in the world.
Dieting? The Stone House Pub serves herb-baked halibut with their home made potato chips.
Then again maybe the only slight enjoyment I get out of seeing the fish symbol that phony christians parade around is the fact that it is a co-opted pagan symbol. One that in particular represented, from some earlier myths/religions, a certain part of the female anatomy, also represented fertility and sexuality.
Since these people are insanely repressed about all things to do with sex at least I can get some amusement out of their using this symbol to show their so called piousness.
I got your meaning with my higher mind but my lower mind
was listening to Randi Rhodes raving about the Republican anti-abortion guy who admitted he was into beastiality.
I was going to quote him, but you don’t want to know.
Hmmm was the guy named “Peter Singer” total bunghole that one is. He says that disabled children should be killed because they are nothing but a burden. He wrote the book “Heavy Petting” about beastiality. Dude once tought human ethics at Princeton. Reason Forbes pulled money from there.
The “stuff” you learn when you’re not watching the “news”
Tickled pink and doing cartwheels I didn’t offend.
No. Cant be the same Singer I’m thinking about. The Human Ethics prof(?) The one who wrote “heavy petting” and that people with cognitive disabilities should not be labeled as “people”.
Not Dead Yet has a list of his quotes. I found out about him through a mom of another child who was cognitively disabled as well as thru’ Ragged Edge magazine (online).
Singer, who wrote in his book Practical Ethics that “Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Very often it is not wrong at all,”
activist who called a radio station and he said that
mules was Georgia boys’ first girl-friends. He talked like
it was the most natural thing in the world for boys to …. mules.
Randi Rhodes was obsessed with the story. She was raving over this ignorant pervert’s arrogance in concerning himself with the reproductive system of women.
Q. You have been quoted as saying: “Killing a defective infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Sometimes it is not wrong at all.” Is that quote accurate?
A. It is accurate, but can be misleading if read without an understanding of what I mean by the term “person” (which is discussed in Practical Ethics, from which that quotation is taken). I use the term “person” to refer to a being who is capable of anticipating the future, of having wants and desires for the future. As I have said in answer to the previous question, I think that it is generally a greater wrong to kill such a being than it is to kill a being that has no sense of existing over time. Newborn human babies have no sense of their own existence over time. So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living. That doesn’t mean that it is not almost always a terrible thing to do. It is, but that is because most infants are loved and cherished by their parents, and to kill an infant is usually to do a great wrong to its parents.
Sometimes, perhaps because the baby has a serious disability, parents think it better that their newborn infant should die. Many doctors will accept their wishes, to the extent of not giving the baby life-supporting medical treatment. That will often ensure that the baby dies. My view is different from this, only to the extent that if a decision is taken, by the parents and doctors, that it is better that a baby should die, I believe it should be possible to carry out that decision, not only by withholding or withdrawing life-support – which can lead to the baby dying slowly from dehydration or from an infection – but also by taking active steps to end the baby’s life swiftly and humanely.
Q. What about a normal baby? Doesn’t your theory of personhood imply that parents can kill a healthy, normal baby that they do not want, because it has no sense of the future?
A. Most parents, fortunately, love their children and would be horrified by the idea of killing it. And that’s a good thing, of course. We want to encourage parents to care for their children, and help them to do so. Moreover, although a normal newborn baby has no sense of the future, and therefore is not a person, that does not mean that it is all right to kill such a baby. It only means that the wrong done to the infant is not as great as the wrong that would be done to a person who was killed. But in our society there are many couples who would be very happy to love and care for that child. Hence even if the parents do not want their own child, it would be wrong to kill it.
Q. Elderly people with dementia, or people who have been injured in accidents, may also have no sense of the future. Can they also be killed?
A. When a human being once had a sense of the future, but has now lost it, we should be guided by what he or she would have wanted to happen in these circumstances. So if someone would not have wanted to be kept alive after losing their awareness of their future, we may be justified in ending their life; but if they would not have wanted to be killed under these circumstances, that is an important reason why we should not do so.
Q. What about voluntary euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide?
A. I support law reform to allow people to decide to end their lives, if they are terminally or incurably ill. This is permitted in the Netherlands, and now in Belgium too. Why should we not be able to decide for ourselves, in consultation with doctors, when our quality of life has fallen to the point where we would prefer not to go on living?
Q. What should I read to learn more?
A. You might like to start with one of the two collections of my work in print, Writings on an Ethical Life, or Unsanctifying Human Life. After that, your choice should depend on what particular issues most interest you. For my views about animals, see Animal Liberation. The fullest statement of my critique of the traditional doctrine of the sanctity of human life is in Rethinking Life and Death, and the most elaborated philosophical elaboration of my views is Practical Ethics.
These books are in many libraries. They can also be ordered from bookstores, or from online retailers like Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
It’s an icon for sea-lice-ridden-farmed fish. yech
The bush administration does have the disgusting stench of rotting fish about them.. Had to sugar-coat it, you never know when the black helicopters lurk overhead.
When I see one of those fish insignias next to a “W” sticker I become enraged. Now it seems they have two, two, two asinine stickers in one.
My husband saw a fish symbol on a car the other day that had the word, “Chips” inside the fish. I had a chuckle from that one. No, I’m not anti-Christian, just anti-wearing Christianity on your damn sleeve or car.
I have been looking for a bumper sticker that says, “God bless everyone, no exceptions.” I’ve seen them on cars but haven’t come across them anywhere else. I didn’t look online because I don’t use a credit card and thus, don’t shop online.
Not using credit cards, by the way, is a political decision, by me, not to feed the monsters such as MBNA.
Can I get fries with that?
I’m going to pick up my Sharp Italian hoagie from Primo’s. I am a lucky man.
For those of you who are saying, “What’s a hoagie?”, it’s like a sub. Only better.
The Sharp Italian has the following:
Prosciutto (pronounced: preeshoot)
Sharp provolone cheese (essential to all sandwiches)
Capacola
Genoa Salami
just add lettuce, tomato, onions, hot peppers, oil, and mayo and you are in heaven.
Don’t forget out orders!
Capacola (pronounced gabbagool)
What, no pie with that?
Oh, dude… Not MAYO on that!!!
but it’s almost as good with just oil. Lunch was gooood.
to put mayonnaise on an Italian hoagie, the very least you could do is mix it with mustard. The mere thought of such hoagie desecration has obliged me to rethink my own snack plans.
I will have to have some bacon, raisin toast, and chocolate milk, and regroup.
but you must consider how the oil and mayo mix together to make a new and profoundly delicious liquid that is then spiced by the gabbagool and preeshoot.
mix mustard with horseradish. It’ll help you with that mayo fixation
You are so right, Janet! Horseradish rawks …
I love sauces, period.
Bad confession: I like to order fish at nice restaurants. But, unless the fish is extremely fresh, I need to disguise it a bit … and the only thing that does it for me is tartar sauce. It’s so embarrassing to order a side of tartar sauce at some restaurant that’s grilled my fish with a touch of ginger, etc. I feel like such a bumpkin. But I’m addicted to tartar sauce.
P.S. Darcy spreads tomato paste on her cheese/avocado/greens sandwiches.
I found this brand – BEAVER made in Oregon.
“with capers and dill.” It’s so good!
That is, unless you make your own.
My Bad Confession: Soy Sauce and Garlic
I’ll eat scrambled eggs with soy sauce. I’ve chilled a bit on the soy sauce addiction but only because I now marinade with it..
Everything (well just about everything) I cook has garlic in it.
I, too, dig tartar sauce.
My kids are RANCH fiends. But… jalapeno ranch, that is.
MMMMM avacadoes. They’re good for ya!
with fresh herbs from pots on the patio.
Like chopped chives, taragon etc. Picking
herbs in the morning is first thing on my
agenda.
If one MUST have Mayo – they should mix it with Ketchup and some Johnny Seasoning salt – for their french fries.
Horseradish is great on sammiches.
Old recipe when Darcy was small. She loved it:
Mix:
ketchup
mustard (regular ol’ French’s is fine)
melted butter
Drizzle it liberally over cut-up potatoes in a baking pan … nice young red potatoes are best, but any kind will do. You can even use frozen french fries.
Bake in oven until done. Salt & pepper to taste.
buy some beef, any old kind. Pound it brutally, ruthlessly,on both sides.
In a pan, mix mustard, ketchup, garlic, salsa inglesa (worcestershire), cut up onions, sweet bell peppers, more garlic, jalapenos ( non-sectarian chunky chop). Add some water and some more garlic.
Put it in the oven (fire should be about 325).
Turn it over frequently, baste, etc. Should take a couple of hours.
Serve over rice.
Putting mayo on such a sandwich is a sin! You should be ashamed!
I am a mayo lover on italian hogie too.
Had to quit eating them though…the last place that actually made a good one changed hands and replaced the prajoot with ham, and the provolone with white american. Assholes.
it’s so much fun having an image tool again
I love how you made the strap slip off her shoulder. Total Wal-Mart trash-sensuality
I was looking at this while killing time on a boring conference call with my clients…almost snorted into the phone when I saw it!
Excellent.
Many thanks to you, my dear! That was just too damn funny!!
Here I was, head in hands, stewing over a client project I’ve been trying to pull together for many days. And you made it all worth the trip over here, Susan. Ya gave me the second wind I’ve been looking for, and now I’m in such a good mood I’m even willing to forgive Boo for puttin’ mayo on that masterpiece. (Good Lord, dude! Get out the rosary beads and start doing some penance.)
You also got me on the tartar sauce issue. I was raised in an environment of avid fishing and great cooking. (among many other things) The first time I brought my husband up north to meet my parents, my mother served a fabulous walleye dish with fresh garden herbs in an ever so delicate garlic cream sauce. Oh to have had a camera in hand when my husband asked her for tartar sauce! Talk about a Kodak moment! (And it only took her the second visit to smack him down with the comment, “You should spend a lot more time thinking, and a lot less time speaking”.) ZING!
And hey – I’ve been out of touch with anything related to the media. What’s going on with Kerry, Dean and Kucinich?
Bunch of em at http://www.rof.com/index.htm
I want one too!
or the ‘n’ chips one … can’t decide.
For now it’s enough that I cover my Kerry bumper sticker up … can’t handle being tail-gated by enraged rightwingers anymore.
seems refreshed from his trip to England. He’s on fire the last few days.
and concern for the environment, would return undersized fish to the ocean, to please God’s Cetacea Mammals in the upper food chain.
Cetacea – Dolphins Pleased After Meal
Query for BooMan
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
Despite my comments about tartar sauce above, I almost NEVER buy or eat fish anymore. I feel it’s my tiny way of preserving the oceans.
(I do buy shrimp sometimes for my cats as a treat … god, do they adore it. They’re also great judges of the freshness of the shrimp. If it’s the slight bit old, they won’t touch it. I’m pretty sure that’s all farmed shrimp, and probably from — oh which country is it — not Thailand, but somewhere near there.)
My daughter told me that halibut was polically correct and safe to eat.
West coast people used to be called ‘the salmon people.’
I eat canned salmon because it is all wild, mostly stolen from BC waters by Alaskans. [testing my flame proofing, ]
or
.
Appreciation for your excellent graphic humor!
Does this shark eat its own?
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
I don’t know about the Sharks eating their own, but I’d love to see Bush eat his young ones.
In the meantime maybe somebody would like to try adding a waterline and text:
One Nation
[Bush}
Under Water
The fish icon was a code for Christ in the days of Roman persecution of Christians. Now, it’s being used by fake Christians as a symbol of their persecution of the rest of us.
from
Sidney by the Sea
home of the best, best fish ‘n chips in the world.
Dieting? The Stone House Pub serves herb-baked halibut with their home made potato chips.
Then again maybe the only slight enjoyment I get out of seeing the fish symbol that phony christians parade around is the fact that it is a co-opted pagan symbol. One that in particular represented, from some earlier myths/religions, a certain part of the female anatomy, also represented fertility and sexuality.
Since these people are insanely repressed about all things to do with sex at least I can get some amusement out of their using this symbol to show their so called piousness.
&
because Randy Rhodes is ranting about mule-is-first-girl-friend-for-Georgia boys anti-abortion guy while I look at this.
No clue what Rhodes is talking about – can’t hear
first symbol is in regard to paganism second is about procreation versus creationism.
Truly, I didn’t mean to offend you if I have.
I got your meaning with my higher mind but my lower mind
was listening to Randi Rhodes raving about the Republican anti-abortion guy who admitted he was into beastiality.
I was going to quote him, but you don’t want to know.
I think your graphics are cool.
Hmmm was the guy named “Peter Singer” total bunghole that one is. He says that disabled children should be killed because they are nothing but a burden. He wrote the book “Heavy Petting” about beastiality. Dude once tought human ethics at Princeton. Reason Forbes pulled money from there.
The “stuff” you learn when you’re not watching the “news”
Tickled pink and doing cartwheels I didn’t offend.
No! That’s all wrong, Janet. Did you read that on some rightwing, anti-animal welfare site?
I’ll try to find some info for you. Peter Singer is a hero of mine. And he did not say that about children.
No. Cant be the same Singer I’m thinking about. The Human Ethics prof(?) The one who wrote “heavy petting” and that people with cognitive disabilities should not be labeled as “people”.
You must tell you who told you that.
For starters, here’s his Web site at Princeton:
http://www.princeton.edu/~psinger/
And, a couple years ago, I found Princeton University’s marvelous defense of Singer. I’ll see if I can find it again.
Not Dead Yet has a list of his quotes. I found out about him through a mom of another child who was cognitively disabled as well as thru’ Ragged Edge magazine (online).
http://www.notdeadyet.org/docs/infanticide.html
Singer, who wrote in his book Practical Ethics that “Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Very often it is not wrong at all,”
Give me the direct source, please.
Here is what his FAQ says about the issue:
I’ll start it in a new thread on the left … somehow this entire thread has gotten skewed too wide.
http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/0799/b799ps.htm
There are two sides to Singer
I’ll get you the direct link. I have to run to the schoolbus though.
activist who called a radio station and he said that
mules was Georgia boys’ first girl-friends. He talked like
it was the most natural thing in the world for boys to …. mules.
Randi Rhodes was obsessed with the story. She was raving over this ignorant pervert’s arrogance in concerning himself with the reproductive system of women.
yech, and yech over again.
From his FAQ at Princeton University:
Q. You have been quoted as saying: “Killing a defective infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Sometimes it is not wrong at all.” Is that quote accurate?
A. It is accurate, but can be misleading if read without an understanding of what I mean by the term “person” (which is discussed in Practical Ethics, from which that quotation is taken). I use the term “person” to refer to a being who is capable of anticipating the future, of having wants and desires for the future. As I have said in answer to the previous question, I think that it is generally a greater wrong to kill such a being than it is to kill a being that has no sense of existing over time. Newborn human babies have no sense of their own existence over time. So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living. That doesn’t mean that it is not almost always a terrible thing to do. It is, but that is because most infants are loved and cherished by their parents, and to kill an infant is usually to do a great wrong to its parents.
Sometimes, perhaps because the baby has a serious disability, parents think it better that their newborn infant should die. Many doctors will accept their wishes, to the extent of not giving the baby life-supporting medical treatment. That will often ensure that the baby dies. My view is different from this, only to the extent that if a decision is taken, by the parents and doctors, that it is better that a baby should die, I believe it should be possible to carry out that decision, not only by withholding or withdrawing life-support – which can lead to the baby dying slowly from dehydration or from an infection – but also by taking active steps to end the baby’s life swiftly and humanely.
Q. What about a normal baby? Doesn’t your theory of personhood imply that parents can kill a healthy, normal baby that they do not want, because it has no sense of the future?
A. Most parents, fortunately, love their children and would be horrified by the idea of killing it. And that’s a good thing, of course. We want to encourage parents to care for their children, and help them to do so. Moreover, although a normal newborn baby has no sense of the future, and therefore is not a person, that does not mean that it is all right to kill such a baby. It only means that the wrong done to the infant is not as great as the wrong that would be done to a person who was killed. But in our society there are many couples who would be very happy to love and care for that child. Hence even if the parents do not want their own child, it would be wrong to kill it.
Q. Elderly people with dementia, or people who have been injured in accidents, may also have no sense of the future. Can they also be killed?
A. When a human being once had a sense of the future, but has now lost it, we should be guided by what he or she would have wanted to happen in these circumstances. So if someone would not have wanted to be kept alive after losing their awareness of their future, we may be justified in ending their life; but if they would not have wanted to be killed under these circumstances, that is an important reason why we should not do so.
Q. What about voluntary euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide?
A. I support law reform to allow people to decide to end their lives, if they are terminally or incurably ill. This is permitted in the Netherlands, and now in Belgium too. Why should we not be able to decide for ourselves, in consultation with doctors, when our quality of life has fallen to the point where we would prefer not to go on living?
Q. What should I read to learn more?
A. You might like to start with one of the two collections of my work in print, Writings on an Ethical Life, or Unsanctifying Human Life. After that, your choice should depend on what particular issues most interest you. For my views about animals, see Animal Liberation. The fullest statement of my critique of the traditional doctrine of the sanctity of human life is in Rethinking Life and Death, and the most elaborated philosophical elaboration of my views is Practical Ethics.
These books are in many libraries. They can also be ordered from bookstores, or from online retailers like Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
I can’t cope with the widened page.
I’ll post this in a new diary, and we can have a discussion there.
Movementarian: “Would you rather have a beer or eternal bliss?”
Homer Simpson: “What kind of beer?”