TV Tonight: Charlie Rose and Nightline are covering the story. Charlie’s guests are DANIEL KLAIDMAN, Washington Bureau Chief, Newsweek; SHIBLEY TELHAMI, University of Maryland / Brookings Institution; ROGER COHEN, The New York Times, Author, “Soldiers and Slaves”; ARIANNA HUFFINGTON, The Huffington Post
New diary at Kos: Recommend to continue strategizing.
Per MSNBC which says the magazine did so “moments ago.”
From Atrios:
From Think Progress:
Before the Newsweek report even hit the newsstands, the Associated Press was already noting a “revived Taliban-led insurgency” and the Agence France Press said there was “an upsurge in violence by suspected Taliban rebels” which had left two U.S. Marines dead.
How a Fire Broke Out | The Editor’s Desk
Do these above-linked statements sound like a retraction to you? Below the fold:
Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur’an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them “not credible.” Our original source later said he couldn’t be certain about reading of the alleged Qur’an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.
—Mark Whitaker
So, their source fucked them over. Is that an accurate statement?
Or do we go down with honor ???
today. I have been working on this Newsweek story. If someone could help:
I need the relevent passages pertaining to the free exercise of religion that exist in treaty and American law, for prisoners, and POW’s.
Try this link from the Red Cross
“…damage to cultural property belonging to any people whatsoever means damage to the cultural heritage of all mankind, since each people makes its contribution to the culture of the world… (Hague Convention, 1954) ” Another good link
HTML version of the entire 1954 Hague Convention
Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights might be applicable too:
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Not specifically about how prisoners should be treated with regards to religion, but if you put all the articles together it supports that.
http://www.udhr.org/index.htm
another place to look:
International Human Rights Instruments
It’s quite a bit to wade through however, especially the part about seeing who are signators and what caveats they have like this one for the US in the “Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment”:
Wow. Government intimidation of the press is successful in the US.
I wonder what Bill Moyers would have to say about this, given his remarks yesterday?
I’m speechless.
OMG
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. The wing-nuts have been systematically going after the various media organs that tilt to the left, and this is just the latest example.
This is all very troubling. The founders envisioned the fourth estate as an integral part of our check and balance system. They saw the press, warts and all, as a fourth, unacknowledged branch of government. No matter how corrupt the ole’ boys would get, we would always have a free and independent media to not only hold their feet to the fire, but burn them in effigy, if necessary.
Well now what do we have? The Times, Newsweak and others afraid of their own shadows, or how the mean man in the White House might take them out to the woodshed if they don’t toe the line. What a bunch of spineless, mealy-mouthed tossers.
Tell you what, ass-wipes: Give us editorial control over your rag. Two weeks is all we ask. We’re not afraid to take on the establishment, unlike you milquetoast weenies over at Newsweak.
Too bad you didn’t put that leggy fascist on your cover like the toadies over at Time.
<rant over>
Just wait for the back lash.
No one believes this …
Lets be the typical guy who saw the pictures of Abu Garib… to him it is wholley comprehendable that these same gards that stuck sticks up prisoners butts could easily toss the Koran in the toilet… in fact Ordinary Joe would think that this would be the least torturous thing the prison gards could do compared to what they already saw in the photos.
No one believed the Cessna…
No one believes Rumsfield throwing a pity party for all those dead fungibles.
This media circus will backfire… it always does.
The more they lie the more No one believes them…
In fact the way you’ve laid this out does make ChimpCo seem like a pathological and charming liar slowly falling apart under cross examination.
There is always that moment when the umpteenth “reasonable explanation” is just one too many for the jury and you can see their bullshit meters go off.
I could share your optimism. <sigh>
What we are witnessing is the destruction of an independent and investagative media, read press, in this country. What part of censorship don’t people understand?
Air America is now up and running. There are those weird blog things. After decades of newspaper contraction and consolidation, alternative weeklys have stepped into the gap big time with quality journalism- and not just about the local club scene.
Right here in Philadelphia, we have seen the attempted launch of at least three new daily newspapers to compete with the corporate owned Daily News and Inquirer. Both of which are decent enough papers in their own way.
The is an exodus, either voluntary or as the result of purges, of experienced and qualified journalists from the corporate press. These people are finding jobs or creating jobs for themselves by starting up media outlets of their own.
Information is very capital non-intensive and the failure of the old press creates a solid and easily accessible market for the new press.
Maybe Susan, you should e-mail them links to reports of religious desecration against Islamics perpetrated by US interrogators. Or maybe you could e-mail them a spine.
Cowards.
They aren’t cowards they were threatened.
Threatened with what? They caved to pressure to censor themselves regarding a story that is widely known throughout the rest of the world, the world that can deal with reality. Threaten away, I say. If the truth is on your side, then bravery is required. Unless Newsweek has another card up their sleeve, I consider this withdrawal cowardice.
Remeber John O’Neil… when wrote his book saying that Bush sat in budget meetings and let Cheney do all the talking…
O’Neil publically said “They can’t do anything to me, I am already rich and I am too old” the next week he retracted his book…
They play hard ball…
EVENTHOUGH NEWSWEEK RETRACTED BECAUSE OF THREATS DOESN”T MEAN WE HAVE TO STOP TELLING THE TRUTH
The truth should still be pounded every day all day.
Came out strong, but ducked – wonder what they had on him.
Link
I have no doubt they were threatened.
They chose to react by threatening you
That is what cowards do
The appropriate response would have been along the lines of “Our May 9th story indicated that a US-initiated investigation contained reports of incidences of desecration of the Koran similar to those previously published in interviews and testimonies of a number of individuals, and subsequently reported by a host of US and foreign news organizations.
A week after we published our story, our source has informed us that he was mistaken, and such incidents were not included in the particular Pentagon report we referred to on May 9th.”
also front pqged at Yahoo! News. Go rate it accordingly!Anyone have a phone# for Newsweek? I already emailed but now I HAVE to call. Now what? I am just so perlexed. How do they get away with this. When is the outrage going to happen. We don’t have a chance against this obscene propaganda machine do we?
This is just disenheartening.
I just heard Ken Bode say that Newsweek should out the source, or the source should out himself.
The condemnation is ringing in my ears … John Fund, etc.
This Newsweek affair is turning into another corporate media Rathergate affair. Like Rathergate, the information in question really had nothing whatsoever to do with the truth of the allegations; in each case, the source a classic red herring. The average citizen, exhausted by vitriol and cowed by fear, will not make the effort to sort out the truth. So now the 1600 Crew can tell a reporter what story to retract, why the story is being retracted and the reasons the story is being retracted. If I had a nickle for every time I have said, ‘welcome to Bushtopia’…
Along with the Koran, the 1600 Crew will flush this country down the toilet.
KEITH O: Something smells funny to me about this Newsweek apology ,…
Craig Crawford: THe source changes his story and those who vetted it in advance say that Newsweek is responsible for something just short of murder …
KO: Then Scott McC makes himself available for a rare appearance … then Newsweek retracts …
Craig: When media stumbles anywhere, the politicians try to shove them off the cliff … the story is wrong because the source backtracks …
KO: Tying these deaths directly to newsweek when Myers said last Thurs it wasn’t … Eickenberry said the political violence was not related to Newsweek … DISCONNECT?
Craig: Targets of opportunity … attacking the media…. THE governmetn had seen this in advance … just like Rathergate, CBS DID SHOW this to the gov’t ahead of time .. was the media set up in both cases?
i can’t type fast enough. But that’s the gist.
I’ve been arguing with some wingers on a non-political message board I frequent today about this whole thing and their basic argument is that Newsweek got their facts wrong and that this has caused the rioting in Afghanistan. They’ve got nothing other than that.
First, the facts are right whether the Bush admin will admit it or not. We all know this from Susan’s stories today.
Second, it now seems (from reading the Newsweek/MSNBC article above) that maybe there was some effect on the rioting because of the article and its proliferation through the local media in Afghanistan and Pakistan, though I’m not at all convinced it was directly caused by the article.
Furthermore, I think this is a moot point. The US government, or rather representatives of it, committed these acts. If you don’t want people to be angry about doing something, then don’t do it. Don’t blame the fucking messenger for what YOU – the US govt in this case – did. That’s like blaming Benjamin Franklin for inciting violence against the British for describing their oppression of the colonies. (I figured I had to use some example that didn’t invoke Godwin’s law)
now exists between those in the US and those outside. In the US the retraction will probably be acepted by most and people will breathe a sigh of relief that their military are not out of control but the “liberal media” just invents stories. Of course little things like the slaughter in Fallujah dont count.
Outside the US not one thing said by the government, military or their poodle right wing cheer leader media will be believed. Newsweek can print stories of desecration and retract them all they like it really makes no difference. In the well televised recent acts in Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, and Guantanamo as well as old “indisretions” such as Sudanese antibiotic factory, Chinese embassy, various unprosecutable rapes and murders by soldiers stationed in a multitude of countries (and lets not mention Vietnam) the US inc. has shown the world what it is.
This disconnect in reality is really an immense human tragedy that can have no happy end.
See top of diary. I’ll probably be throwing things at my TV set.
This Newsweek retraction seems to me to be an US internal affair. Simplistic scapegoating. I really can’t see it matter that much in an Afghan village. Any Koranic school student could turn it around in a village rally. The fact is that popular resentment in the Muslim world will hit the breaking point regardless.
I posted this comment at DailyKos the other day. The April 28th interview with Cherif Bassiouni is well worth reading. Talk about short term prophetic.
Riots in Afghanistan
“What is less understood is who has been fueling these rallies and for what purposes[!]”
Your diary reminds me of Amy Goodman’s recent interview of Cherif Bassiouni, the UN inspector of human rights abuse in Afghanistan recently dismissed, apparently due to US pressure.
“CHERIF BASSIOUNI: Well, the U.S. officially announced that it released 18 prisoners from Guantanamo who are Afghani citizens, and they were returned to Afghanistan. Obviously, people who have been prisoners in Guantanamo for two years or more, when they return home, especially in tribal societies, the entire tribe rejoices, and it’s not a question of only a small circle of family and friends who know it. The news spread out, and as you can well imagine, again in a large family setting or tribal setting, people are going to ask, you know, `How were you there?’ and `How were you treated?’ and, you know, `Do you know of anybody else?’ and `Is so-and-so still there?’ or something like that. And I think that news started spreading out that — of what was happening in Guantanamo, and that a number of them had indeed been transferred to two main facilities in Afghanistan and that they were there. But you also have to remember that it’s difficult to move — the estimates that I heard (and it’s purely rumors and speculative, so there’s no way that I can back these figures) that about 200 prisoners were moved from Guantanamo to Afghanistan. If that is correct it’s a very large number of people. And, you know, they land at military air force bases. There are civilian workers. There are local people. You need buses to transport them, convoys. Prisons have more food and the cooks and personnel in the prisons start realizing that there are newcomers there in large numbers. And so, words, in a tribal society like Afghanistan, sort of travels fast.”
The not so-secret American prisons in Afghanistan are called fire bases. Apparently there are eighteen of them beyond any sort of legal control.
Word travels fast? Perhaps the three B’s should get off their bong dream and brush up on the English occupation of Afghanistan in the 1800’s.
by rom wyo on Fri May 13th, 2005 at 14:32:31 PDT
(I mistakenly said that there are eighteen “fire bases.” Actually there are fourteen according to Bassiouni. This interview originally appears in an article of the Italian daily, il Manifesto, on March 12th.)