Krugman’s latest says it all:
[A] few pessimists, notably Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley, argue that we have not yet paid the price for our past excesses.
I’ve never fully accepted that view. But looking at the housing market, I’m starting to reconsider.
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Mr. Roach believes that the Fed’s apparent success after 2001 was an illusion, that it simply piled up trouble for the future. I hope he’s wrong. But the Fed does seem to be running out of bubbles.
As you know, I am even more pessimistic than Krugman on this topic, and I bring up more arguments below.
First, a little bit more from Krugman, who explains that the extremely aggressive policy of the Fed made some sense after the dotcom bubble burst:
Now the question is what can replace the housing bubble.
Nobody thought the economy could rely forever on home buying and refinancing. But the hope was that by the time the housing boom petered out, it would no longer be needed.
That’s Bush’s policies in a nutshell: bet the house and hope that it work out for the best. This is NOT how a country should be run. You do not bet your kids’ future for your temporary enjoyment by basically counting on the “amazing ability of the American economy to grow” while simultaneously gutting everything that made that ability – the middle classes’ productive capacity and the fair price for these. Today, Americans have more money not because they earn more but because cheap debt has made the paper value of their house bigger and financial markets are only too happy to ride that paper value to very real short term profits. Who cares about long term liabilities, right?
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So what happens if the housing bubble bursts? It will be the same thing all over again, unless the Fed can find something to take its place. And it’s hard to imagine what that might be. After all, the Fed’s ability to manage the economy mainly comes from its ability to create booms and busts in the housing market. If housing enters a post-bubble slump, what’s left?
Mr. Roach believes that the Fed’s apparent success after 2001 was an illusion, that it simply piled up trouble for the future. I hope he’s wrong. But the Fed does seem to be running out of bubbles.
As Krugman points out, even Bubbles Greenspan himself admits that the housing market is frothy:
A slowdown in house price growth was likely and this would in turn mean less of the support for consumer spending seen in recent years.
Even so, the housing market was unlikely to be “a large macroeconomic issue” for the Fed, he told the Economics Club of New York.
Mr Greenspan stressed the large and diversified nature of the US housing market as making a national bubble unlikely, although there was “froth” in the market. An increase in second houses – as vacation homes or investment properties – might be a sign of speculative excess.
The growth of interest-only mortgages and other exotic deals suggested people were having difficulty affording houses and that the market would soon “simmer down”, he said.
Where house prices fell, it was only people who had bought immediately before the turn who might suffer problems. “The presumption there are a lot of bankruptcies out there does not seem credible,” he said.
If you are still not convinced, please go read that SFGate article (kindly pointed out by Twin Planets in my previous diary on the topic:
These loans, which allow borrowers to avoid paying any principal for three years or more, have grown explosively in recent years to become the favored mortgage for buyers in the region, replacing the standby 30-year mortgage preferred a generation ago.
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housing experts warn that these loans are loaded with risk. Borrowers who put down small or no down payments and who do not elect to pay principal rely almost exclusively on price appreciation to build equity. If home prices flatten or fall, borrowers could end up owing more than the home is worth.
“This is frightening, frankly,” said UC Berkeley economist and real estate expert Ken Rosen. “I’m worried that more and more people are using (homes) as an investment vehicle and not as a consumption market, and that’s true of the peak of housing markets. This is the edgiest we’ve been in the market for a long time. This reminds me of the late 1980s when people were speculating in the market.”
Now, the reason I say that the situation is actually worse than that is that the problems do not concern only the overextended consumer sphere, but they also apply to the financial markets.
Three days ago, Steve Rattner, a very senior banker (and former deputy CEO of Lazard), wrote a very scary opinion piece in the Financial Times:
we need to give equal attention to a more basic problem: the vast quantity of old-fashioned imprudent lending that has gone almost unnoticed over the past two years.
Junk bonds have become dramatically junkier.
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When the tide goes out, the size of the investment losses may prove staggering. Following record high-yield issuance last year of $147bn (€117bn), there are now nearly $1,000bn of outstanding high-yield bonds. In 1990-1991 and 2002, default rates exceeded 10 per cent. The amount of outstanding paper was lower then, so a high default rate today would be much more costly. Today’s low default rate – only about 1.6 per cent in April, compared with a historic average of around 5 per cent – has lulled high-yield bond buyers into a false sense of security.
There is an old saying: “rising tides lift all boats”. This is precisely what has been happening in the financial world. Easy, extremely cheap money has made it possibler to borrow more at no apparent extra cost, and thus to put more money on the table for asset purchases, fuelling price rises. What is true for houses is also true for financial paper. Rising prices for debt effectively means that remuneration for the risk goes down (interest rates go down), which means that if you are an investor and want better returns, you need to invest in ever riskier stuff.
And that’s what’s happening and what that pices is pointing to: staggering amounts of money have been invested in extremely risky paper – one trillion dollars worth of junk debt, looking apparently safe in a context of cheap money and expensive assets.
IIn their desperate quest for returns, anything that paid a little bit more than Treasuries was purchased, and prices do not reflect the underlying risk anymore.
As I have written previously, and as Mr Rattner also points out in his piece, CDOs and other such exotic instruments are essentially untested in crisis scenarios, and the ripples from the GM and Ford downgrades to “junk” debt status have been pretty worrying. Goldman Sachs has come up with an estimate of 1 billion dollar losses for hedge funds from that episode, and this is widely seen as a conservative estimate. And that was just on the basis of news from two companies (admittedly big borrowers), not macro-economic news like Fed rates or growth prospects.
AGAIN, that same story: only hope, of wishful thinking, makes these investments look sane in any long term perspective.
Under that scenario, our salvation will once again be more liquidity from the Fed. Of late, the Fed has properly been raising rates and fretting about renewed inflation. But Alan Greenspan, chairman, has also said he is unconcerned about the deterioration of credit quality; some sign that he recognises the dangers would be welcome. We should not count on history not repeating itself.
This is the quandary Bubbles Greenspan has put himself in:
- low interest rates have created asset price inflation, which are a danger in themselves and threaten good ol’ fashioned general inflation (despite China’s downwards pressure on consumer price)
- the only macro-economic tool that makes sense to fight these excesses is to increase interest rates, as the Fed has finally started to do;
- these increases threaten to topple the most fragile investments that have been made in the previous period of cheap money, and to trigger a nasty crisis.
Mr Rattner suggests that the Fed should be willing to open the taps again (by lowering rates, presumably), but this is certainly self-serving (he is running an asset management firm, after all), and I don’t see how it can solve the problem – it can only push it a couple of years further, by making it worse than it already is.
But maybe the day of reckoning needs only to be pushed beyond 2008?
Another well-documented and mentally agile diary. The sting was in the tail…
But maybe the day of reckoning needs only to be pushed beyond 2008?
I doubt if Bush et al can keep all the balls in the air that long – financially crippling war, China revalue, peak oil prices, unexportable products, South Sea mentality, budgetary incompetence etc and these are just the direct financial factors.
Paper values are always perceived values. There’s a whole bunch of non-financial events that could change any or all of these perceptions.
I don’t see this holding until 2008. The question is a lot more open as regards 2006.
It’s not a world where one can make long-range predictions any more. But 2006 will be fought more on domestic political issues. 2008 will be on foreign policy.
However Bush has interconnected the two more than any recent President. By tackling so many big issues at the same time, he has taken everything to the very edge of what is economically sustainable. Previous Presidents have tackled fewer big issues simultaneously. In the sequential approach, if you had a failure you could absorb it – politically and financially.
You are one of very few writers who can make information like this interesting and understandable to me, I’m prone to going glassy eyed when reading economics. Thanks, although the information is frightening in the extreme it’s also valuable.
I will continue to write about this, because it will hurt us all, unfortunately.
Thanks for your excellent diary. I believe it was CBS news that reported, the other day, that 1 out of every 4 houses purchased in the last year was for investment purposes. That is at least some indication of the potential for a large downside.
With all the commercials on TV for getting rich by real estate investing, i’m reminded of the late 90s day trading infomercials.
Oh, and there are also now real estate investment clubs. (Real Estate Day Trading Part II)
Also, I can’t tell you how many folks i meet in my practice telling me they’ve invested in vacation property. When I warn them about how low rates and liquidity may have caused a mega bubble and that they may be under-diversified given the % they now have in real estate, they acknowledge the risks, but assure me the area they invested in has never experienced a decline in prices and is decline proof. Florida, The Cape, South Carolina, you name it… prices apparently never go down where these people invest.
I have Two words for that: Uh Oh.
I am also reminded of Joe Kennedy’s remark when commenting on how he knew it was time to get out of the market in 1929.
What effect then does US government policy have? Measures that would indicate a move toward “fiscal responsibility” – pay as you go, deficit reduction – would or would not affect world markets? So many “ifs”, so little time.
Lower budget deficits would certainly help.
Backing off crowding out private wealth creation would help (e.g. less spending and less debt creation).
We also need to be more respectful of the importance of savings in this country. Seems the Keynes types are obsessed with consumption purely for the sake of consumption.
We also need to stop abusing the dollar by inflating the life out of it. That kills stores of savings and flooding the markets with fresh money distorts segments of the economy in ways that are not sustainable, leading to bubbles.
Problem is Politicians love inflation so long as it can be held to a slow level — its really a tax on wealth that laymen don’t understand. That printed money gets into the hands of politicians. They love that. Plus, it enables them to pay off old govt debts with cheaper dollars. But its really a scam, which is why counterfeiting is illegal. But at its heart, its just legalized printing of money.
In general Goverment policy establishes the Macroeconomic environment in which microeconomic activity occurs. Think “the rules of the game” versus “the way an actual game happens.”
Now: Think Chaos.
The economy is a balance of positive and negative feedback cycles, always in motion, within a particular domain out of all possible infinite (uncountable) domains. It is the balance of the feedback cycles that gives the system stability not any particular cycle or input.
Look at the Lorenz Butterfly (from Intro to Chaos Theory.:
This is a graph of 3 differential equations calculated many many times with the results of each calculation feed back as inputs. (Iteration) The Lorenz Butterfly is applicable here because it is known to map the ‘Logisitic Equation’ which, includes Interest Rate recursion (calculation). Roughly speaking the two equations are “the same.”
What this is telling us is even a very simple system is stable locally (left or right ‘wings’ of the Butterfly) … until it isn’t. (Laughing) At some, unknowable time/input/feedback relationship, the sucker is just going to shift from one wing to another. What we do know is positive feedback, increasing the value of inputs, drives the system towards a shift (bifurcation.)
What ‘Bubbles’ Greenspan is doing by increasing the money supply AND keeping interest rates down AND financing the current account deficits is driving the economic system into a domain shift due to his increasing the positive feedback cycle. Achieving the situation Jerome has given in this diary.
What needs to happen is an increase in the negative feedback loops through Macro policy changes which tends to keep the system locally stable, in the same domain/Butterfly wing. These policies can be subsumed into the phrase “Fiscal Sanity.” What will happen if these changes are made is unknowable, in detail, but what is certain is if they are not we are in for a domain shift and then we’re really in for a wild ride.
Interesting stuff; it seems to acknowledge that there are laws of economic gravity which ultimately prevail, but the duality that human action is unpredictable and will adjust in its own self interest. My guess is that your butterfly could conceivably have a bazillion wings.
But anyway, i think a large part of the problem is the prescribed cure (low interest rates and ginning up money supply) was the problem in the first place. Its always easy to gin up economic activity. Hell, any one of us could create activity with a money printing press.
Creating wealth is a different story. (Why the US and not resource rich Africa? Why not the Soviet Union? Why Ireland only more recently?)
There are, actually, more than “a bazillion wings” but a graph demonstrating that would be one huge black dot- if I used a Lorenz graph. A Poincare section of a Rossler doughnut is a ‘more better’ graphic illustration but there is no way to explain its meaning in a blog post. For one: I can’t assume a background in Chaos/Complexity, two, I don’t have the symbols, and, C, if I could explain it through the symbols the reader would only achieve the level of confusion and perplexity I now enjoy. 🙂
And, yes, the creation of wealth and M3 (total measure of the amount of money available) have only a casual relationship. IMNSHO.
The simpler image I use, but which I feel has validity, is that of an inverted pyramid. We’re piling on more and more stuff on a narrow base (leverage), and the equilibrium is increasingly unstable. Policy mens pushing back when a force pushes the pyramid in one direction, with the risk that you push back too much. I think this is where we are with interest rate policy.
Thank you very much for compiling all the information and transferring your knowledge in such an easy to disseminate manner.
This administration has been most reckless in setting the stage for spend, spend, spend. Both in their use of our tax dollars, and in the message they send to consumers.
I’m fearful for the impact on individual consumers who clearly don’t understand what they’ve gotten themselves into. In a past Roach article (related to Economic Armageddon) many statistics jumped out at me, but one more so than other. When home lending rates were at the lowest point in decades (around 4%), 50% of homebuyers purchased VARIABLE rate mortgages. In speaking with my financial advisor – who works in the SF Bay area – he told me that mortgage lenders were strong-arming consumers to do so (surprise, surprise). Who in their right mind would purchase variable mortgages when the rates were 4%?!?
On a personal level, I found the state of the market one in which I could benefit. At one point, I borrowed $43,000 for a period of 18 months – and it cost me only $80 in processing fees to do so. However, I spent hours upon hours pouring over the fine print of each credit offer, and maintained a spreadsheet of each of the credit provisions and due dates. The fine print was enormous, and quite frequently the lending firms changed provisions ever so subtly – something which an average consumer would not notice or understand. And with each offer, I found myself increasingly fearful for the millions of individuals out there, unknowing of the ramifications, who would enter in to some of these arrangements. I only did so because I had the means to pay the money back and I took extreme measures to monitor account activity. And in doing so, I pretty much built an outstanding credit rating for life. (I also did so in my husband’s name, should something happen to me, and he finds himself in need of borrowing down the road.)
But I fear that so many citizens will find themselves indentured for life – either with the lending institutions or through bankruptcy. And that will have an immense impact on the economy.
Solid diary on a very serious subject.
I started my blog specifically to cover this subject e.g. cause and effect, perspective shifts… — you just can’t pretend that the laws of economic gravity can be suspended indefinitely. While my underlying econo-political philosophy might be in disagreement with what is assumed here at the Trib, fundamentally we are in agreement that this recklessness will cost us and that Bush is out of control. But, generally, when it comes to economics, I hold both parties and the Fed in equal disdain. (I update it with the argument in articles daily…)
Incidentally, if Krugman is going to tie the housing bubble into the Fed policy, the same logic holds for the stock bubble in the Clinton era — rates were not as low, but reactions to rates are relative. Also, using Krueg’s own logic, the Clinton bubble was dumped on Bush in the 2000 election.
Also, in 2008 we also see the beginning of the Boomer’s retirements. That means those with stock holdings will begin liquidating, and each year the number will increase… (let’s see… more and more sellers and less and less buyers. Hmmmm???) (Boomers Retire)
Maybe that’s behind private accounts…