I just thought I’d post it here for the Boo Tribe, FYI… especially since many Kossaks migrated here…
He commented in my Diary at Daily Kos on “The Full Markos” that was cross posted here:
Couldn’t you have found a more buff body for me? I mean, I already have serious issues about my, er, slender frame. You had an opportunity to play into my fantasies of having more substantive musculature. Like a swimmer’s body.
Sigh…
And what’s with the Dell? I’d rather bare it all than cover it up with a Dell.
by kos on Sun Jun 12th, 2005 at 10:44:23 EST
and this is what I wrote back:
and thanks for allowing everybody to post here…
I am kind of saddened that this whole mess happened and I hope that things might return a little more towards normal… maybe the intelligent people who left will eventually return… I feel our meta-community is much better and stronger for their presence…
(BTW… I’ll e-mail you my pay-pal account number if you’d like to avoid having me Diary the other picture with the laptop screen folded down… it’s always best to be circumsect… er… circumspect about these things…:)
Dudehisattva… “Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom”
by Dood Abides on Sun Jun 12th, 2005 at 11:44:12 EST
Just as a follow up FYI : )
Kewl! Nice to know he was civil, has a sense of humor and that he also has some image issues- like most of us…
I just wish he’d realize that some things (like potentially losing control of one’s own life) can’t be laughed off or laughed at.
‘Nuff said…
Non-apology not accepted. Shout out to Dell though.
Well nice to see the tone of this email sounds ever so more pleasant..almost a circum er CIRcle jerk going on here.
well, a little humor goes a long way…should have used it a long time ago…but thanks DOOD for your diary…an apology of this kind is a lot better than the one before…
I don’t see any apology in the message posted by Markos or in the thing he put up on his blog. And Armando put up some vague musing that didn’t directly address the important issues. It’s not good enough for me. I’ve gone back over there a few times, but I don’t feel good when I’m there. I doubt if I will again.
“vague musing..” What did you make of all that?
I thought I was “listening” pretty carefully but I understood little other than that Armando will make an effort to “listen” to people with different points of view and respect those views, even though he may disagree with them. However, those different perspectives must come from people he already listens to and respects. And then he went on to name them.
Then, those people came forward to be acknowledged and kind of agreed that listening respectfully was important. The many other people who replied were most encouraging and endorsed this idea. Vague. And my comment oversimplifies . I gather the whole pie war thing was the precipitating event. I guess we can all agree that it made us examine our own beliefs more closely.
It was hard to disagree with anything in his diary. It’s sort of irritating, though, when someone tells you something happened at Booman Tribune, but he can’t talk about it.
After I read and “listened”, I felt dissatisfied and confused, but am not sure why.
Nice to see you Jane – hope all is well with you!
You, too, A. Have thought of you and always wish you well.
I think of you often, and please know that I continue to send you many hugs and prayers over the miles. (And I’d sure like to see more of your melodious metaphors each time I log on)
I wish you peace, hope and serenity.
Did anyone really feel he was something other than a normalish guy with his own set of insecurities.. ya know, human?
But then, I never got the impression that was the issue.
Its not exactly like he’s come out and said he’s changed his stance on any of the real issues that upset folks — or made them realize that his attitudes about that community weren’t compatible with their own.
Short form:
Even George Bush has said things that made me smirk with him, not at him.
That doesn’t change our relationship in the slightest.
I agree, but I don’t think its neccessary to “understand the issues” in order to recognize that you’ve hurt someone. If I said something agist and I offended a senior is it neccessary for me to fully understand all that it means to be a senior in order to acknowledge that I hurt them and I regret it. This is simple stuff.
I agree completely.
Thanks for explicitly making the point
Then again, I didn’t view Bood’s diary as an overt request for an apology from anyone – just trying to lighten things up and build bridges in his own fabulously creative way. (But that’s just my observations, I could be wrong)
but I don’t feel as though Kos apologized. And I don’t much care. I just know where he’s coming from now. And whatfuckingever.
I’ve been totally outside of the pie debacle. Yet, I understand where people on both sides are coming from. I just don’t care. Meaning, I don’t look to either side to shape my beliefs on every issue, in this case feminism. Not everyone feels the same way about things that I do and that’s okay. Both blogs serve distinct purposes for me. For that, I’m appreciative.
My concern is, and I think I’ve read that others here feel the same way, is that people are going to turn this into a sort of Boo vs. Kos blog war. Similar to the East Coast vs. Weat Coast rap wars. And we all know how that turned out. RIP Biggie and Tupac.
This post is funny and it was funny at DailyKos, too. So, in short, thanks Dood/Bood for attempting to diffuse the situation.
I tried, and I’ll move on…