I’ve always been agnostic on whether Michael Jackson did what he was charged with in the trial just ended. Guilty or innocent made no never-mind to me. And now that it’s over, my only advice to Jackson is, however else he lives the rest of his life, that he stay out of bed with young boys, because, well, do I really have to explain?
My interest in the trial was the futile hope that as soon as jurors delivered their verdict and got their thanks from Judge Melville, they’d leave the courtroom and take that raging gorgon Nancy Grace at Headline News with them.
Uh-huh, sure, Nancy. So, then, how about focusing on something besides high-profile, celebrity trials? These are to justice what chicory is to coffee. How about expending some of CNN’s cash and your well-honed legal mind exploring something that affects millions of Americans – the imprisoning of non-violent offenders or the impact of drug laws or the idiocies of mandatory sentencing or the inadequate funding of public defenders or the trying and sentencing of juveniles?
Full disclosure: I have a sealed juvenile offense record. From 1957-59, I spent 23 months of an indefinite sentence at the Industrial School for Boys at the base of Lookout Mountain in Golden, Colorado. A reformatory. I’d like to say it was a frame-up, or excuse myself on the basis of my ethnicity or my mother’s single parenthood. But, no doubt about it, whatever my circumstances, I deserved some re-socialization. I’d been precociously engaging in various kinds of outlawry almost from the day my mother and I arrived in Denver when I was 10. Serial shoplifting, relentless truancy, a couple of grass fires next to apartment buildings, tire slashing, grand theft (a television), running with a gang and bullying. But the crime that got me and five of my mates “sent up the hill” was attempted armed robbery of a gas station. When the cops came, the 75-year-old owner who we thought would be such easy pickings had the six of us, ages 11 to 15, lined up on the pavement with his shotgun pointed at us and our knives on the countertop. The judge wasn’t sympathetic.
Prison, we all called it “prison,” was no picnic. Inmate violence was endemic, and many older boys were hard cases. Guards – who we were forced to call “counselors” – and our teachers were hard cases themselves, a couple of them ex-inmates, and corporal punishment was meted out frequently for minor infractions. I had grim moments, including being gang-raped, for which no one was ever punished.
Part of the “industrial school” process was to teach discipline and also give us JDs a taste of what the work world had in store for us. One lesson many of us had to learn over and over was how to sort nails. A big box – like the size of a 10-ream box of paper – filled with nails of all sizes and types was set on the floor. The lesson went like this: Sort the nails. Get inspected. Correct mistakes. Get approved. Put all the nails back in the box. Repeat. I wasn’t reformed. (That came years later when a man who himself had done a little time in Puerto Rico became my high school Spanish teacher.)
All this occurred long ago, and the toughest juvenile offenders in those days pale beside some who wind up incarcerated these days. At Golden, for instance, I never met a murderer. Today juvenile murder and other violent crimes aren’t so rare, although the alarmist “super-predator” theory so popular in the late 1990s turned out to be bogus. And the media haven’t helped curb the notion of 60% of the public (Californians in this case) that youth are committing most violent crime when, in fact, only 13% of those being arrested for violence at time of the poll were minors.
I’m no Pollyanna when it comes to criminals, especially when their crimes include violence. I’ve contributed money to a victims’ rights group. Thugs and thieves have hurt me and some of my relatives more than once. Even if that weren’t true, I would favor being tough on felons. Particularly repeat felons. Time at hard labor isn’t a sentence that seems the slightest bit unfair to me. Solitary confinement for incorrigibles, likewise.
But being tough isn’t for me the first step, it’s the last. And of late in America, we’ve been skipping some steps called prevention and rehabilitation because somebody decided at the same time it was decided to give stiffer sentences and build more prisons that it also made sense to cut back or hold the line on programs that determine whether we provide justice to everyone in this country. Programs like social services, education, alternative sentencing and, incredibly, parole and probation.
As is obvious from America’s current approach to incarceration – just as in U.S. foreign policy – being tough isn’t enough. You gotta be smart, too, and, dare I say it? compassionate. You don’t have to scratch deep to find grotesque instances of injustice, from innocents railroaded and budget-cutted onto death row to the all-too-familiar racial disparities accompanying drug sentencing. Hundreds of thousands people are doing long time for non-violent crimes that should carry some other punishment. Hundreds of thousands of others who will ultimately join us again in the free population are getting no substance-abuse treatment, no life-skills training, no job training, no anger-management training and no basic education (even though 19% of inmates in 1997 were found wholly illiterate and 40% functionally illiterate). I suppose one could call this policy of intellectual and therapeutic deprivation “tough,” but not compassionate, and definitely not smart, even from the most utilitarian this-guy-will-be-on-the-street-again-someday approach of fearful suburbanites.
As Americans, we now host the biggest free world collection of prisoners on the planet, 2 million-plus of them. We’re putting them away at a higher rate than any other country. And we’re doing a damn poor job of being No. 1.
I sympathize with you, Nancy. Where to begin exploring such a gargantuan mess?
My first choice would be to investigate what happens when convicted juveniles are sentenced to adult prisons. Without knowing the details, everybody knows. It’s a standard movie cliché. Unfortunately, it’s also reality. In prison, young men are targets for rape and other violence. Boys far more so. When these juvenile offenders emerge from the slam, they’ve not been rehabilitated, because most of our adult prisons gave that up long ago. Instead they’ve been hardened, made into perfect candidates for recidivism. If this state-sanctioned child abuse cannot be labeled cruel and unusual punishment, what can?
Florida wised up. It incarcerates youthful offenders sentenced as adults only in all-juvenile facilities because academics, activists and the Miami Herald exposed what had happened under a new 1990s get-tough law. In its Kids in Prison series, the Herald reported that children were far more likely to be attacked or sexually assaulted in an adult prisons than in juvenile facilities. It also took note of studies that juveniles of similar ages who committed similar crimes were more likely to go straight after release if they were sentenced to a juvenile facility than an adult prison.
Until these exposés got the law amended in 2001, not only did Florida put juveniles convicted as adults into cells with adults – with inevitable results – most of the kids they put away weren’t the hardened types legislators had targeted but rather nonviolent teenagers.
Other states continue to put boys and men in the same cells. Thousands of them nationwide. And not just any boys. Reporters at PBS’s Frontline followed four case histories – two sentenced as juveniles, two as adults – and found a system that, surprise, caters to middle-class white offenders and punishes kids of color. The racial component of this should be no surprise to anyone.
How much the racial component disguises a class component, I don’t know.
At the core of this outrage is the whole philosophy of criminal responsibility. How ludicrous is it that the minimum age for criminal responsibility is 14 in Idaho, 12 in Georgia, 10 in Kansas and Vermont, 8 in Nevada and Washington, and 7!!! in Oklahoma. Twenty-two states allow children to be tried as adults but set no statutory age minimum. The people at Justice Policy Institute have it right. Children are never adults. They should never be sentenced to adult prisons. Nor should they be tried as adults since many of them cannot understand the proceedings against them.
On the other hand, I can’t say a 14-year-old who murders someone in cold blood should be released at 18 or 21. For such children it seems to me we need an intermediate system, not quite juvenile, not quite adult, some way to provide justice to victims and perpetrators alike. Creating that will take some doing.
None of this should be taken to mean that I believe there’s nothing else wrong with the system. Even when juveniles are sentenced and tried as juveniles, we’re failing to be smart and compassionate along with tough, as you can learn at the National Center for Juvenile Justice, at the Center on Juvenile & Criminal Justice and elsewhere.
Some states, like Colorado, have taken action to reform their systems and others, like California, say they’re going to.
Even publicly suggesting the broken justice system needs attention scares many politicians who believe such discussions are electrified. The hint that one is soft on crime can wreak disaster at the polls. So it takes the rare glare of publicity to go against the tide. Bless him, but Illinois Governor George Ryan didn’t just one day put forth a moratorium on death penalty cases, it took two reporters to give him pause.
Nancy, I know prison reform probably doesn’t do as much for the ratings as a high-decibel, prosecutorial rant. But since you don’t care about ratings, how about shining that big media flashlight of yours somewhere useful?
Cross-posted at The Next Hurrah.
my fist comment said “Post failed” ..It might be because the Subject line has to many words in it…not sure…might check it out.
yeah 50 character max for a subject header.
Hi MB. We’re battling server gremlins tonight 🙂
FIRST Comment…my eyes are tired…
…of because Powerline has hacked you?
we weren’t experiencing a traffic spike when it happened. I mean, we had higher traffic at other times during the day.
No evidence of a hack. But some really really strange stuff happened.
Main problem was that we didn’t move fast enough to restore our hourly save…so it saved corrupted stuff…and we had to revert further back to find a clean restore.
…when I tried to post a comment with an ellipsis (a “…”) as part of the title and the start of the text. It then posted OK, however.
…so there goes that theory, perhaps.
You are an Amazing human being. I have nothing else to say.
In what alternate universe would you find writing like this at a right-wing blog?
I rather liked the idea of protesting about the Downing Street Memo at the scene of the Jackson trial, except that the plan was foiled because of the earlier-than-expected verdict.
Why not follow the media around like that? Whenever a white woman disappears, and the media camps outside her house, show up and get in their faces.
Go to Aruba if necessary…
What about carrying large white poster boards that are empty except for a printed line at the bottom that says…
Why don’t you cover the Real News?
I think that is one of the best ideas I have heard yet.
Thanks!
At least it would present a dilemma for the media – do they cover a ‘protest’ that implicates them?
And ordinary people would be intrigued by yet another protest, but with nothing to say – until they got close enough.
Of course it only works if you protest at meaningless news events like the Jackon trial, or Ahnold’s photo ops.
and not only because some of those people outside the Jackson trial need extensive therapy. If it were a member of my family, either the victim or the accused because 1) it certainly is real news to them, or 2 ) it only adds the the circus of what can be a real tragedy.
This is so important. Especially hearing it from one who’s been there. Maybe you should try to get on Oprah…
or e-mail Amy Goodman at Democracy Now!
PA has facilities for offenders 15-20 years old. Also, boot camp and halfway houses. Because incarceration is such a growth industry here, providers are finding market niches.
Great diary.
Key phrase: “incarceration is such a growth industry.”
During the presidential campaign I longed for even a fringe candidate. . .anybody. . .to make the state of our incarceration system the central cause of his/her campaign. I wished the black community would rise up in fury about how its men are vanishing into prison, until I remembered that a huge number of the people who might do that are, themselves, in prison.
Social engineering by incarceration.
My sign line never rang truer to me than it does in this discussion. The authorities think they’ll bring peace to communities by removing troublesome black men from it, but until there is justice for black men there will never be true peace in our communities, there will only be devastation.
I think it goes beyond even incarceration. As part of a class on the criminal justice system, I had to ride in a cop car in Philly on a Friday night- I didn’t learn much about justice, but I did see how to drive the cop car up on the curb to frighten some probable transvestites, or to flash the lights and play the sirens to wake up homeless people, and slowly follow ‘hooligans’- mostly black folks- down the road to remind them that it was ‘past their bedtimes.’
I know that one such policeman does not indict the entire Philly police department, and likewise the problems in Philly’s police department don’t indict all of America’s police…. but from what I read in books and on sites like Booman, the institutionalized racism in police forces is pretty widespread. I don’t see how you could change incarceration rates without addressing such racism.
When I look at Gitmo, I see our criminal “justice” system with the volume turned way up. Presumption of innocence is and always has been a myth. The more “dangerous” a suspect is deemed, the more dangerous the system becomes.
At Gitmo, we’ve dispensed with the myth. We’re told that prisoners (explain how indefinite lock up without even the appearance of due process qualifies as “detainment”) are prisoners because they’re bad people. And how do we know they’re bad people? Because they’re prisoners, silly. Congratulations Nancy Grace. This is THE system you’ve been waiting for all your life. Avoid those pesky prosecutorial misconduct problems without the help of folks like Judge Pryor.
Anybody else feel the irony during the Senate’s anti-lynching floor speeches?
Let me say MB, that I read everything I ever see that your write. And now to find that you have this kind of interest and experience in an area that is very close to where I have placed the passion of my life is amazing. I am the director of a non-profit organization where we work with kids who are starting to get in trouble and try to help them and their families to turn it around. We have NO trouble holding kids accountable, but also try to help them learn more about themselves and make different choices. I could write a whole diary about this (and maybe I will), but suffice it to say that our current concern with young people is that we tend to “medicalize” the concerns for white kids and “criminalize” the same for kids of color (BIG generalization, but does capture what we see going on.) In the end its all about labeling kids rather than seeing them as individual human beings who are capable of making choices and need a strong supportive community. Thanks so much for this, and for all of your other insights I have appreciated over the last year.
I like many others find your writings extremely good reading on any topic. I always learn when I read your articles. I personally want to say you are one of my favorite diarist. This goes to prove this premise. Thank you for this. It helps me understand things I have not one idea about. I have just framed my own opinions and do not give much thought to something that does not directly involve my life, not considering that it really does involve my life
Great post, how much does the fear mongering we see on local TV news- murders, rapes, oh my- contribute to our desire to incarcerate? I was talking to some reasonably intelligent individuals yesterday and they were expressing concern for a relative who is planning a trip to Aruba. People will throw nonviolent kids away (in adult jails) to “protect” their children, then let them ride bicycles without a helmet or drive without a seatbelt. Perhaps we need a required national course on probability and statistics in order to get voters to understand the logical fallacies in our decision making.
This is from the current budget analysis by the Legislative Analyst’s Office [LAO] on Dept of Corrections:
…inmate population to increase to 164,080 by June 30, 2006….
Do the math. That’s $39614.82 per inmate. Unless you’re very calm don’t read the rest of the analysis. Politics at it’s absolute worst.
Well, how about Kristof’s column in today’s NYT about Mukhtaran Bibi, the Pakistani woman who was gang-raped and who, instead of committing suicide like a ‘good’ girl, fought back through the legal system?
After seeing her six attackers imprisoned and using her compensation to start schools and make other improvements, Bibi today finds herself silenced by authorities and imprisoned, her attackers released, all because she might mar Pakistan’s image abroad.
And here’s the kicker. The usual path one would turn to to try and right this situation is Amnesty International. But President Bush has begun to undercut that organization. If the president of the US blows off AI, why shouldn’t other nations? Apart from being very angry, I am afraid that we have lost one of our only peaceful weapons for helping those illegally detained.
WASHINGTON – A new study conducted for Republican senators alleges that the International Committee for the Red Cross has “lost its way” by abandoning its guiding principle of impartiality and is now working in “direct opposition to the advancement of U.S. interests.”
The stinging report, issued yesterday by the Republican Policy Committee, also urges Congress to launch an investigation into the finances of the international humanitarian organization, which has been sharply critical of the treatment of prisoners at American-run detention centers in Guantanamo Bay and in Iraq. The American government is the largest donor to the International Red Cross, contributing $1.5 billion over the past 15 years, the study says.
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Anybody else think we’ll be hard pressed to find a humanitarian organization that condones “ghost” prisoners, rendition and torture?
described here:
Who is a young offender?
A young offender is someone between the ages of 12 and 17 who commits an offence under federal law, such as the Criminal Code or the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. Rather than being treated as an adult, young offenders are handled under a special law called the Young Offender’s Act. Although a young offender can still face serious penalties for certain offences, they are not sent to adult prisons and there is generally a greater emphasis on rehabilitation.
How is a young offender treated differently?
A young offender is treated differently from an adult in at least three specific ways. First, a young offender is given some extra legal rights. In addition to the normal right to consult a lawyer when stopped by police, young offenders also have the right to speak with their parents or guardians, and the right not to be publicly identified.
Second, a young offender’s trial takes place in a different court. Whereas adult trials take place in the Superior Court of Justice, or in the Ontario Court of Justice, young offender trials take place in Youth Court. The trial is often held in private and the details of the case are confidential.
Third, the penalties for young offenders are different, often with more options and more flexibility. For example, the judge could place the young offender under the supervision of their parents, or the judge could order the young offender to be at home by a certain time each night. The judge might also decide to order the young offender to perform community service, or to pay a fine. Although the judge has the power to place the young offender in a foster home or in a detention centre, this is generally a last resort. The court only separates a young offender from their family if there are no other ways of dealing with the offender and protecting the public.
I’m sure that there are models in other countries that could help United States lawmakers.
There have been vociferous critics of this act especailly where there are violent offenses. One Member of Parliament campaigned on the one issue that this act is ‘soft on criminals’ and he got elected. His son had been brutally murdered by a teen swarm. In the meantime the act has protected hundreds of other young people with lesser offenses. Nancy Grace would not approve.
Thanks for this info. It is always enlightening to see how Canada handles a similar situation to get ideas for reforms we might try here.
I live (and vote) in Illinois and always disliked George Ryan. The man’s a crook. But, I’ll always admire him for the placing a moratorium on the death penalty in Illinois. It’s one of the few very courageous things I’ve ever seen a politician do.
However, it would be nice if we could start before the death penalty — with prevention. For some insane reason, people cling to the notion that punishment will magically help people to become good citizens. Whether dealing with jeuveniles or adults, this isn’t the case. If someone who can’t read, has no education, struggles with substance abuse, and has probably lived a miserable life is thrown into jail to rot for years and years, of course they’re going to come out even worse off than when they went in.
I’m no Pollyanna about crime, but I don’t see how we can hope to permanently lower crime rates by throwing more and more people in jail and expecting them to help themselves. We can’t afford it — economically or socially. We’d be much better off helping the people who can be helped, while making sure that the really hard cases aren’t released early.
Great diary, MB. One of the best.
The failure of our country to care for it’s children is one of the greatest disappointments of a nation explicitly aimed to “secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” (-Preamble to the Constitution).
We have come to a point in history where “our posterity” is defined in the narrowest possible terms – principally our own biological offspring – excluding those who are other people’s children. For those children, there seems to be relatively little concern as a community or citizenry. Rather, there is taxpayer control. The difference in emphasis is one reflecting the monetary worth that is still placed on human lives that are perceived as being of fundamentally more or less value based on their parents’ status.
In recent years, if not always, society has been conditioned to fear highly aggressive youth (mostly male). Yet only about 50% of aggressive preschoolers will be aggressive in grade school, and only about 50% of aggressive kids in grade school will be aggressive in junior high, and so on. And the bigger the kid who commits some aggressive act (and the less affluent their parent), the more likely they are to be considered as having adult-level judgment and responsibility for whatever they do that is wrong. So the more likely they are to be tried and punished as an adult.
My concern is with an earlier and more powerful predictor of a difficult future: The single strongest predictor of whether kids will get involved in aggressive activity that escalates into delinquency and on into adult crime is failure to learn to read before they leave elementary school.
And if they are incarcerated, reading (and education in general) help more than just about anything else. Yet many states have stripped away education from prisons, from juvenile programs, beyond whatever minimal requirements the states mandate for children – if those aren’t changed for delinquents.
We put more money into prisons and other facilities for segregating adjudicated youth, and less into early education and preschool programs that are the best shot at preventing a lot of the difficulties that arise. Prevention will not help every child, but punishment will help very few. We want results in the next year, or the next quarter. We should be looking for results in the next decade and quarter century.
Excellent post. Moving story in the first half, back with through research in the second half.
I learned a great deal from this post. I knew that America was near the top in prison population, but I did not know that 60% of African American juveniles are in adult prison, while less than 20% of white juveniles are in adult prison. I am shocked to read the age of criminal responsibility is as low as 7 or 8 in some states. Unbelievable!!
But these are not the only ingredients to this recipe for “crime and punishment” we should be concerned about…
The recidivism rate is this country is a concern as well. Consider this:
“Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.”
Not only do we have the highest prison population(according to Amnesty International), we are fourth in executions per year.
“4. Death sentences and executions
During 2004, at least 3,797 people were executed in 25 countries and at least 7,395 people were sentenced to death in 64 countries. These were only minimum figures; the true figures were certainly higher.
In 2004, 97 per cent of all known executions took place in China, Iran, Viet Nam and the USA.
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Iran executed at least 159 people, and Viet Nam at least 64. There were 59 executions in the USA, down from 65 in 2003.”
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, “at year end 2003, 37 States and the Federal prison system held 3,374 prisoners under sentence of death…” .
And by the way, since 1990, ” The USA executed more child offenders than any other country (19 between 1990 and 2003).” (also according to Amnesty International)
This recipe has been coming together for a long time. let’s look at what we have so far:
The United States has the highest prison population in the world, and one of the highest recidivism rates.
The United States is fourth in total executions in the world, only behind China, Vietnam, and Iran.
And, for good measure, the United States has executed more children than any other country since 1990.
This recipe for “crime and punishment” has few added ingredients from the Bush Secret stash, with some hot spices from your favorite neocon power mongerer, Dick Cheney.
Add in the calculus of the Patriot Act and the New and Improved Patriot Act II. Slowly stir in an Executive branch that will blatantly lie to start an unprovoked war, all the while locking up anyone they see fit to with no trial and no charges. Sprinkle in a few blatant power grabs to upset the separation of powers, then whip up some christian fundamentalism to give the recipe an added extra ‘kick’.
Simmer slowly over an open flame. In no time, you will have turn a simple “crime and punishment” recipe in to prize winning “Police State”.
I’m not and have never been a gushy type person but as always MB’s diaries reduce me to gushing. Another exquisitely written diary.
The justice system-an oxymoron at this point-is so broken that the whole system needs to be thrown out and a new one started. I know that isn’t likely to happen and have no answers at all.
The only thing I can think is for everyone to keep working for social programs for kids that will start to help and keep some kids safe, not hungry, educated, insured and so on.
was my age when I participated in two armed robberies. Empty dear rifle so that there would be no mistakes, no one getting hurt. Loading it never even crossed my mind, in fact. And of course, people did get hurt–not physically, but then, that’s not the only type of pain, is it? Looking back on it, it’s a wonder someone didn’t shoot me. Did you know it makes no difference what weapon you have, if it’s loaded, or even if you really have one? If the victim thinks you are armed, you just commited armed robbery. Anyway–
I am a firm believer that the youth of the world need to be judged differently. And while we have to draw the line somewhere, let me tell you, twenty-seven days doesn’t make much of a difference. Kids don’t belong in adult prisons, and as mentioned in the post, there is absolutely no interest on the part of the jailers in rehabilitation. I don’t know much about reform school or juvenile hall, but I do know a little about jail. I got “baby life” (a year) for my time, so I got lucky and never went to prison. I did go to a substance abuse treatment facility for a portion of my time, and work release for another. And I probably would have done more time if I hadn’t been white and middle class.
Sorry, this is really fragmented. I have too much to say and not enough time to say it. So I’ll try to cut to the chase.
In total , I spent 17 months in three different facilities. Jail for a couple of weeks when I was arrested. I then entered a substance abuse treatment facility as a volunteer, where I stayed for about seven months until my sentencing. Then back to jail for a few months, back to the treatment facility for a few more months (this time not as a volunteer, I was remanded). The treatment facility was a very positive experience for me. Tough, but positive. Once I reached the point in the treatment facility program where I got a job, I was forced to leave and go to the local work release program. When I left the treatment facility for work release, I was clean, focused, and determined. By the time I left the work release program six months later, I was already using again. No support in that environment, just people working the system the best they can until they are cut loose.
Anyway–(how many times can I say that? I don’t think I’ll even post this, just way to fragmented). Virtually no one is rehabilitated while incarcerated. In most cases you can improve yourself to some extent while behind bars, but you have to really want to, you have to work for it. Giving anyone behind bars more options, more motivation to improve, is a good thing. Recidivism is in large part due to the experience people have while locked up. I was very lucky to never be really messed with or violated while I was locked up. However, in my experience, there is an even bigger hurdle once you are free.
For the most part, once your time is served, they kick you out and tell you to be good, be productive. What they don’t tell you is that you are no longer qualified to work at the corner car wash, gas station, or anywhere else. Shortly after my release I applied for a particular position. The application was different than others I had seen (and I had seen a lot of them at the time), it asked if you had commited a crime that would impact your duties. I thought about it and answered honestly. They gave me the job, then called me in and fired me for non-disclosure a week after they hired me. You get to know how it works, because you just don’t have much choice but to lie. Basically, you can write what you want on an application. If they bring you the separate form to sign that says they are going to check your record, you’re screwed.
This part has changed for me some over time–these days I just pray that they will take my resume and not require me fill out an application. I always tell them during the interview–I don’t want to get a job and get fired, I’d rather just not get it. If I can get into the interview and talk with a person, I have a chance–but if I have to put it on paper, I never hear back from them in the first place. If they make me fill out an application these days, I leave that portion blank and address it later.
Why do we allow anyone and everyone to do background checks? Why do we so desperately feel the need to do them? Hey, if someone wants to work in childcare, we need to check them for crimes against children. If someone wants to work in the securities industry, we need to look at if they have been convicted of fraud. There are many examples that would make sense. But where do we–where should we–draw the line? Anybody can drop $40 bucks and find out whatever they want to know. People who get out and are trying to make an honest living need a job. They need a chance, they need your trust, even if it is given cautiously. “Go be a good boy, go be a productive member of society” but don’t expect ME to hire you. Don’t expect to go to school, either–you know, we do background checks for Pell grants, too. How many times do you get turned away from the most menial, low-paying jobs before you turn to alternative sources of income?
And who pays the bill to incarcerate (and re-incarcerate, and re-incarcerate….) those who go to jail? Why, we all do! The most penal system in the world, and boy do we complain about spending on corrections. How about spending a little to keep people out of the system, or from returning to it? Three strike laws/mandatory sentancing–can you say stupid beyond all belief? These aren’t an answer to keeping you safe, they are a recipe for disaster, and the disaster is here and now. Judges are given the power/responsibility to take mitigating factors into consideration when sentencing for a reason–so that people who have been in trouble before don’t get put away forever for stealing food. They can also look at a real hard case and max them out, if circumstances warrant.
What about victimless crime? Sure, you can make the claim that these crimes aren’t truly victimless, and you would have a point to some extent. But who is getting hurt by people possessing marijuana? Or turning tricks? The people being hurt are the people engaged in the activity, by and large, not the general populace. Sure, we don’t want to look like we condone such things, but is litigating things like these the answer? Will it stop the behavior? Or should we be looking at the root of the problems and addressing that? Many people believe that if you make the penalties harsh enough, people will stop doing certain things. Do you believe that? There is no evidence in anything I’ve read to support that. You can line up cocaine dealers and shoot them dead as soon as they are caught, and you will NEVER stop the flow of cocaine into this country. The only thing that will accomplish that is to dry up the demand for the product–supply and demand, pretty simple. DARE, at the elementary and middle school level, is worth every penny spent, tenfold. How about some serious funding increases there? Spend the time, effort, and money on the youth–that is where it is best spent.
Twenty years have gone by, and I dread it every time I look for a new job, or consider going for a new certification of any type. Sure, I was guilty, and I deserve to pay for my crimes. But I have to ask you–should I have to pay for the rest of my life? I think I’ve had one traffic ticket in the past ten years. I give back extra change when the cashier screws up. I volunteer in my community, I get out and push people out of intersections when they’re stalled, I even turn around and go back to lemonade stands if I can. I have had to sit one of my children down and tell them about my record, so that someone else wouldn’t do it first–and I have three to go. I had to tell every woman I dated, basically right after we met, that I was a convicted felon. Is there a point at which I have paid enough? I’m no angel, no candidate for sainthood, but is there an end somewhere? What about those who give up the fight, accept the stigma, give up their hopes and dreams and lead a life of crime? When does it stop being the fault of bad decisions on the part of the individual and become a result of hardness and lack of compassion on the part of society?
I wish I had a company/business…just so I could hire you. Incredible post! Thank you so much for sharing.
The “keeping society safe” bs is the same as what they are spouting about homeland security. They’ll do anything, say anything, pass anything simply for a false feeling of security – when actually it’s only making their lives and safety worse.
Again, thank you.
though at present I am gainfully employed. With a huge global employer, at that. I have managed to land several good jobs over the last 10 years or so, due to a good employment record, a college education, and experience. Oh, yes, lest I forget, HR and management individuals who are willing to give me a shot based on all of the above. I appreciate the sentiment, however, and as I live in MI, you never know….
You raise a really, really excellent point.
It seems that maybe we need a mechanism by which someone who has had a good record as a model citizen for a number of years after completing a sentence can have his record re-sealed so he can get on with his life without this hanging over his head forever.
We do this at once for juvenile offenders after they complete their sentences, but maybe we should offer this to adults after a certain length of time in some cases.
Likely the time required before the record would be resealed would vary by the type of crime; we might want to be more cautious for crimes with very high rates of recidivism or things that were particularly ghastly.
if you are completely clean other than one offense. Theoretically, at least, and I doubt that is nationwide. You can get a lawyer, if you can afford one, and go in front of the judge. I have no idea what the percentages are, but suspect that the more money you spend the better your chances.
But if you have one other offense–and it can be basically anything, DUI, drunk and disorderly, public intoxication, any misdemeaner at all–you’re hosed for life. I, for one, believe it would be fair to offer a sealed record for most offenses after, say, 20 years clean. Or some period of time, at any rate.
You are correct that expungement/sealing/clemency statutes differ from state to state, but a number of them do have avenues that might be worth exploring. Michigan is one of the states that has a statutory procedure, with a five year threshold, and I found a brief synopsis of it on a lawyer’s website:
http://www.legalwins.com/michigan_criminal_expungement.php
I suspect that it would be well worth your while to make some inquiries of a good criminal lawyer in the jurisdiction where the offense took place. Most judges flat love to see some good come of what they do, and the facts that you have laid out here make for a compelling case.
Good luck.
for the info. I will check into it, though I have to say, I inquired of a lawyer before and was told what I wrote out above–any offense more than one and it’s impossible (as in, no chance, written in stone). Of course, one person’s opinion isn’t necessarily the end all, and you’ve given me some hope. You know, it’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, necessarily–telling my children, or others who need to know, would take place regardless. I just don’t feel that prospective employers need to know that I had one night of extremely poor judgement followed by a couple of misdemeanors all before I was 22.
but the text of the info at the link makes it clear for my case in particular: “Generally, a person who is convicted of not more than one offense may apply with the convicting court for the entry of an order setting aside the conviction. However, a court may not set aside a conviction for a felony for which the maximum penalty is life in prison or a conviction for a traffic offense.” Armed robbery has a maximum penalty of life.
Truly, though, I appreciate your help. Thanks.
This is an incredible diary, MeteorBlades. As the mom of an adolescent, I know that even the “best” kids need so much guidance and availability in that age of 10-17. It’s not surprising to me that a certain portion of them become “criminal” in various ways. And then, we treat them like adult offenders and turn some of them into criminals for life. The whole thing is so messed up. I have nothing to offer in terms of solution right now, but this diary has touched me–and I’m sure in the days to come it will become part of my greater consciousness of things I need to help work to change.