Originally posted at New International Times
I’ve been in a state of unfocused agitation for a couple weeks now. It happens towards the end of May every year. It directly coincides with my yard becoming intoxicatingly fragrant with the smell of gardenias. There are twenty or so gardenia bushes the size of VWs here, old growth planted by a previous owner and when they are in full bloom the sheer weight of the blossoms makes the limbs sag to the ground. They smell great, but the bushes look like they are going to collapse and die under their own weight.
When the gardenias are in bloom, it means something else to me…the end of another school year and graduation season. This year, the kids who were incoming freshmen in high school and college in the fall of 2001 are graduating. These are the classes of 9/11. Trauma forges strange bonds. Sometimes shared experience brings people closer and other times, it becomes that unspoken thing. Is it just a knowing look, shared quietly? I don’t know.
I know that the end of the school year makes me anxious. One year closer to my own daughter having to set her own course in life. I think about how much a college education can either make or break you. But what is it that we are feeding our children? Are we doing enough to nurture and challenge their intellects and their sense of compassion?
Her school is great. It is K-8 and teaches critical thinking instead of the proficiency tests. They are working almost two grade levels ahead of the public schools for the same age group. These are the kids of doctors and engineers and come from all over the world. The diversity is wonderful. Then there are the locals, the kids of commerce and the law. She doesn’t belong to either of these groups and is one of the few ’12 month plan’ kids…kids whose parents scrape together tuition and pay all year, every year.
She is different and she knows it. But her lack of affluence isn’t what truly makes her different, it is her perspective. She reads the local newspaper, she listens to and understands world news, she has a profound respect for the environment and she stands up when she sees an injustice.
She was sent to the principal’s office twice this year. The first was when a history teacher was misrepresenting a current political event, gave her an F on an assignment and called her out in front of the class to explain her work on the assignment. The teacher did not appreciate being called wrong. The principal didn’t appreciate me suggesting that the three of them go to the library’s computer lab and allow my daughter to substantiate her work. In the end, they did and the grade was changed to an A, but no apology or clarification was made to the class as a whole. The whole episode makes me wonder what else is being fed to our children and not challenged.
The second occasion was a case of a teacher proselytizing in class about there only being one true god. My daughter, who does not adhere to any particular religious affiliation confronted this substitute math teacher and advised that her classmates came from a diverse background of religions and that the subject for the day was plane geometry. That earned her another trip to the office, but it was a short one. Turned out to be a short trip for that substitute teacher, too, who later in the day was asked to leave after tossing a chair across a room, but not for offending a classroom of kids who are trying, and for the most part succeeding, in being sensitive to each others cultural differences.
So I feel pretty good about my daughter’s vision of right and wrong. She does well in school, she took the ACT this year as a 7th grader and equaled the state average for graduating seniors. One of the things I worry about is continuing to challenge her through high school. She was tested for the state’s gifted/talented program and they found her to be smart, but not gifted. That means that in a year, she is destined for her zoned public school which does not offer any honors or advanced placement classes in a college prep curriculum. I consulted an attorney friend who suggested not bucking the system, but to roll the dice and request a majority-to-minority transfer into the same school that offers the gifted program and just have her enroll in their AP college prep curriculum. In concept, this works for me, but is far from a sure thing. I hate gambling with my daughter’s future.
I have a year to sweat this out. But let me tell you what my daughter is sweating out, and get back to what this long story is about…what does an intelligent, compassionate young person do with their life? She is just 13 and is terribly over-wrought by a decision she feels she needs to be making. Having a clear vision for yourself does make working toward a goal easier. So many of her classmates have decided on being doctors or lawyers and talk endlessly of their college plans and how they will get from here to there. I asked her if she thought that they were really motivated to do that and she thought that it was what was expected of them, to follow in their parents footsteps. I asked if she had any inclinations along those lines and she said that she thought that she’d be good at either, but had absolutely no desire to do so.
She just came back from a trip to LUMCON which is a marine research facility in south Louisiana. For two days, she observed trained biologists in their work and went offshore in one of their research boats. I was expecting all sorts of wild, starry-eyed stories of adventure when she came back and there were a few. But the big thing she said has really compounded my anxiety over giving her any kind of sound advice on her future. She said that all the scientists at LUMCON “looked” like they belonged in their jobs and that you could see the love for their work in their eyes and in the sound of their voices. That is a strong statement for one so young.
My folks never steered my interests except my dad said there was no way that I was going into the army. Both of them were sixties idealists who thought that a liberal arts education combined with hard work and integrity were all it took to get ahead. I know different now, but I don’t know better. I’ve only had two jobs in my entire adult life and both have suited my problem solving nature, but don’t do much outside providing a not-so-hefty paycheck. We get by. I’m challenged intellectually by what I do, but not necessarily satisfied by it.
I need stories to tell her, advice to give her.
Do you shoot for an education that will provide you with technical professional skills ensuring a living wage in a competitive world economy?
Do you follow your bliss whatever that happens to be and hope for the best?
Is there truth to the economist model that you shouldn’t spend more on your education that you’ll make back in the first year of salary? How can you calculate something like that if you don’t know where you belong?
Is there any clear benefit of pursuing a bachelor of science over a liberal arts degree?
Does having an altruistic soul make you more responsible to the rest of the world or do you just look out for yourself?
Some of these are my questions, but some of them are hers.
I am hoping dear readers that you will think about the people that you have known that have had it all, a sense of personal and professional fulfillment and tell me a few success stories and how they might apply to this new flat earth we are living on.
To all the inspired minds here: it does not matter whether or not you have children.
What matters is your personal experience and those you’ve observed around you. This is a rapidly changing world and it doesn’t matter which context you choose to compare, technology vs. intellectual property, geography vs. economics, etc., I don’t feel well suited to provide any real advice looking forward to the future. I fell into all of my adult jobs by happenstance. I can’t “see” how all this change is going to shape the new world.
Combine your reflections on the questions my daughter asked with what you’d consider to be success stories, and I’ll be one happy, wiser mother. And, thankful, too.
I thought this was going to be about pop tarts or mercury poisoning.
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Wonderful thoughts and questions. I haven’t any real answers as I’m still struggling with “what do I want to be when I grow up” and oddly it’s having kids that has finally helped me get my feet on the ground and make some lifestyle decisions and start to make family goals of how we want to live on this planet.
I do see some hope though… as more and more I hear of children being concerned about what they can do for humanity/the planet – versus what kind of a paycheck they’ll get.
The fact that you are with your daughter on this quest for answers and ideas will ensure that he has a better, brighter future.
But Oh my about the “F” and what all that entailed. My daughter had to go up against the school’s library helper (an adult – since we lost our librarian due to cuts). She even had to go to the principal’s office – nothing there either. In the end, it turned out she was right. Again, no mention of it to anyone else.
She hasn’t given up trying.
This hasn’t answered any of your questions. I’m sorry. But what a wonderful diary. I’m so glad I stumbled into it. Take care.
Thanks for the read and the comment.
These are tough questions and it is difficult to watch my daughter wrestling with herself over it. It is a good exercise, in my opinion, and keeps her grounded with who she is and wants to be.
I am hoping that reading through some of the responses here, she will see that there are no cut and dried solutions, but a few paths that tend to lead to more satisfactory experiences.
In my case it is feeding my grandchildren…and hopefully it is curiosity and thoughtful challenging of ideas and self-respect.
Lessons I have learned:
My husband and I have learned that you must really like your job to be happy. Not necessarily love it…but really look forward to going to work every day. The meaning of work life for us – if you are not happy then don’t do it.
Education never ends…keep taking classes or reading or asking questions. It is important to never stop learning because life doesn’t stop changing.
A liberal arts degree or science degree or business degree is worth as much as the person pursuing the end goal. If the child wants to be a scientist – then no liberal arts. If the child wants to be a history teacher, then definitely not business. Just because it may pay better, the offsetting question would be the cost to the child’s dreams.
Each child will make their own way with love and support. Sometimes they will stumble and skin knees (figuratively as adults), but with support they will once again stand tall.
We have wealthy friends that aren’t happy doing “what is expected of them” and very poor friends that are joy to be around. We’re somewhere in the middle…sometimes happy and sometimes stressed. We love our work and the people around us. This was not always so and it took courage to move on.
Your daughter has the courage of her convictions and self-respect to stand tall for what she believes in.
You are doing a terrific job of raising your daughter.
and I will cross post this at N.I.T.
Whatever she chooses will have to be based on a genuine interest and a passion. There is no sense in working at a job you can commit yourself to willingly.
Disclaimer — I have a B.A. degree from a small liberal arts college. I also graduated from public high school that did not have A.P. courses.
I think that a degree from a liberal arts institution is the way to go. When I was in high school, I wanted to be an art major. Then, as a freshman in college I took two biology classes. I was hooked, and became a biology major (with a minor in German). I went on to get an M.S. degree, and then, because of life circumstances, I went to law school.
It was the liberal arts education that exposed me to biology, and other areas (history, sociology, psychology, etc.) and gave me intellectual flexibility to be able to change career paths. There was also a focus on writing (which may not be obvious on my posts.) My liberal arts education taught me how to THINK and how to learn new things and how to write.
But then, I am biased.
I think your daughter needs to worry less about what she wants to be when she grows up, and think more about where she wants to go to college, what she likes to study and learn, and on taking as much of a variety of classes in high school and early in college as she can. Learn how to think. Discover what she enjoys. Work on her writing skills. The career opportunities will be there. I get the feeling that, in the future, there will be fewer and fewer people who actually know how to think and how to communicate effectively, and these individuals will be in great demand.
My daughter has a very ordered scientific mind and does very well in the math and sciences…they just don’t appeal to her the same way that say, writing and music do.
She thinks that this is a major conflict to be overcome instead of understanding that this is part of what makes her special.
I guess another slice to the equation is that she does not see that there can be compassion in science, although I think she got a glipse of that on her trip.
In any event, I am still at cross-purposes myself on the lib arts vs. science-math education question. The way you put it is in keeping with the way I was raised, but on the otherhand, I think that having the stronger emphasis on math/science does not exclude what is best in the lib arts…you just have to skip PE ๐
Whenever I’d complain about not having enough time to play music, my dad always said: You sleep 8 hours, work takes up 10. So what do you do with the other six?
That is a hoot!
She can’t decide on where she is musically, either. I don’t mind because I can’t carry a tune in a basket or manage to clap on beat about half the time.
She on the other hand plays violin, guitar and bass and works hard on keyboard skills. In her heart, the bass appeals to her most, but that doesn’t have quite the same appeal as being a guitar-star. I’m just glad she still plays the violin which is where she started.
Sounds like she might appreciate the role of the unsung hero. John Entwistle carried the Who until Townshend learned to play guitar…
I think that talking about liberal arts versus science and math is the wrong way to think about it. I’m a computer science and mathematics major and an undergraduate in college. This summer, I am conducting research in mathematics with one of my professors. In fact, at this moment I have another window open on my computer in which I’m conducting experiments on a group of matrices. But I’m not a student at a research university; I’m a student at a liberal arts college, studying for my BA. Besides studying computer science and math, I play an instrument, study music, and take courses in psychology, economics, gender studies, and whatever else I want.
Virtually all the top liberal arts schools have strong science programs, often on par with the top universities. (Conversely, the top universities have similarly good programs in liberal-arts fields like English and poli sci.) So the type of school you go needn’t limit the breadth of coursework you can take. In fact, I’d say that personality is a far more important factor in choosing what type of college to go to than choice of major. With respect to college choice, the only substantive advice I can give you is to shoot as high as you can. Work your butt off in high school to get into the best school you can, whether you decide to go to a liberal arts school or a university. If your daughter is like me, then the more challenging the environment, the happier she’ll be.
From the stories you’ve told, your daughter sounds like a person of tremendously strong character, given her age. As she goes through high school, she’ll develop a better idea of what she wants to do. She’s got plenty of time to decide. My advice at this point would be to try out different things and see what fits—things like that trip to LUMCON are a great way to look at practitioners of a variety of fields and feel out where you fit in. She has several years ahead of her to explore new paths and change her mind about where she’s going as often as she wants.
Based on your diary, I have every confidence in both of you; I’m sure things will work out.
One last piece of advice: Never stop doing music. It will help keep you sane.
I appreciate your comment, even more so because you are still in the trenches shaping your own direction.
I think your point of continuing to challenge one’s self is key, as is shooting high.
One of the things I had not considered is that when looking at my daughter’s personality, she is competitive, but not ambitious. Another place where she will need to strike some balance.
Do you shoot for an education that will provide you with technical professional skills ensuring a living wage in a competitive world economy? Do you follow your bliss whatever that happens to be and hope for the best?
I think you try for both. Some training provides wide opportunity, other narrow. One of my kids loved to write, started as an English major but didn’t know what kind of “jobs” were available. In the end, none paid well and has now added a minor in accounting (quiet, can work at home).
I’ve watched my kids friends through the years, most of whom have gotten degrees (some advanced). One environmental engineer got a job for the forest service testing water and soil for six months a year, and travels the other six. Same for my nephew the smokejumper (definitely not for the faint of heart).
The best I think was a friend of mine who knew what he wanted to do, but the university didn’t have a defined degree program, so he wrote his own. He still ended up in computer programming and sales – outside his academic area.
Sounds like you’re being “Mom” – giving her all the information and guidance you can, and letting her decide. Nicely done.
Plan all you want, life’s winds will blow you where they please anyway.
I entered college on a five-year plan that would give me both a BS and a BA. I planned to be a chemical engineer, but I didn’t want to be a complete geek, so I wanted a liberal arts degree as well.
I’d adored science and math in high school (and hated ‘English’ and ‘Civics’), and I entered college with 9 AP credits in calculus and chemistry… but that meant they put me straight into advanced courses in these subjects, meant for AP kids like me. These classes were huge, three of four hundred kids in each, and the professors sped along (that and his thick Latvian accent made my calculus professor’s class almost literally indecipherable). I quickly grew to hate calculus and chemistry.
Meanwhile, the required courses in history’s great literary and expository works (and music and visual arts) were wonderful, I loved them as much as I’d hated ‘English’ and ‘Civics’ in high school. So, in no time I dropped all the hard science and math in favor of political science and sociology and philosophy.
Long story short (too late!), by the time I left college the 1980 recession was in full force, the pages upon pages of chemical engineer want ads in my local paper had dried up to nearly none, and within a few years liberal arts degrees, which were considered a joke when I sought mine, made a comeback as a newly-prized qualification in a business world that was quickly becoming semi-literate.
And although I’d grown up in a trailer park with no need or desire to ever know a stock from a bond, I ended up becoming a stockbroker (because a college buddy started a brokerage), then moved into the financial data business, where I’ve been for nearly two decades since.
Maybe some people are strong enough swimmers to get to a particular destination, but my guess is most people end up where the currents take them, like me.
I can see a good deal of my daughter in what you write. She will enjoy reading these comments. For as strong as her math and science skills are, I believe that eventually she will gravitate to political science and sociology and philosophy.
I just hope that she is able to maintain a sense of balance. Now she feels directionless, without particular interest, when actually she is interested in everything and fairly adept at most things. That is balance.
Thanks from another trailer park mom and kid…our motto…less trailer, more park.
Our stories sound very similar, mine and your daughter’s. But it wasn’t until the college counseling began in high school that it really hit me. The counselor asked me point-blank what I wanted to do in life, and I’ve never before or since been so speechless. I couldn’t even make my voice say “I don’t know.” I just stared at him.
I think half the problem, given my blue-collar upbringing, was that I didn’t believe it was a real question. You delivered milk or re-typed hand-edited text or did whatever else somebody would pay you to do until they didn’t need you any more, and then you looked for work again. You didn’t get to just pick and choose. “Hey, I wanna be an astronomer!” “Sure, kid, sure you do” I was certain would be the reply.
The other half of the problem was that the question might be real. Out of my class of 700+ in the best and the brightest and whitest doctor’n’lawyer school district my parents had snuck me into by escaping the trailer park (the district had only let me in only up to a certain age, then my parents had to move), only two kids beat me on the ACT test. At the time the highest possible score was 36. Two kids got a 34; one ’em also scored dual 800s on the SATs. I got a 33.
So if the question was real — since I could outscore almost all the rich kids academically, and already had a lot more common sense — that meant turning and taking a step in any one career direction meant walking away from all the other directions around and behind me.
That was paralyzing.
I still don’t have the answer, but I think the non-rich smart kid’s predicament is that the world is more open to them than is anyone else’s, although it’s almost impossible to believe… yet our innate humility keeps us from wanting to claw to the top of any given peak for the sake of it.
I’m 31 and I’m already on my second career. I spent almost a decade doing scientific research (physical chemistry and nanotech, for the rekkid) before I decided that I wanted to try something new.
And so I moved to New York and became a science journalist and magazine editor. I write, I bitch about art, typography and layouts, I coo over the photography.
The love of science/math and art/writing need not be mutually exclusive.
BUT, to be successful in that route, it’s far easier to be a scientist who can write decently than a great writer who only partially gets the science.
As for colleges — I don’t know. I went to a smallish teaching university (as opposed to a research powerhouse) with a decent science department and plenty of opportunity for extracurriculars. Definitely not “Liberal Arts” though. We had an engineering, business and law schools as well as a college of arts and sciences.
harrrrr…
I’ve done a good bit of technical writing myself over the years, but I only enjoy it when it is meant to be persuasive and not just informative.
I think the big lesson from this discussion will be what you say: The love of science/math and art/writing need not be mutually exclusive…thanks, xray
(I had to edit the subject line. the typos were killing me)
I think the greatest challenge your daughter will face in high school and college is the narrow-minded careerism of most of the students. I decided I didn’t want to go to med school because I viscerally loathed the kids I knew were gonna get in — mostly buttoned-up careerist shitheads with no love of learning, just competition. It burned ’em when pink-haired me kicked their butts on tests. Even in the PhD programs, most of my fellow grad students (mistakenly) thought they’d be professors.
May I offer some advice (premature as it is?)
And finally: if you hate your job, it’s not the end of the world.
Oh yeah, and I’m not much into straight reportage, which is why I love writing for a magazine.
You’ve hit some major nerves here…things that legitimately give her grief. First off, is what you call the narrow-minded careerism is what she sees in many of her peers. Many have no individual desire to follow those career paths, but are following in those footsteps either because it is expected or because they covet the money and respectibility it brings.
She does not respect that, but is envious of the certainty with which they plan and the assurance that they will have the opportunity to pursue it.
She will be at the whims of various strokes of fate and effort that come from maintaining good grades and per chance catching the eye of a soccer recruiter. Soccer is a real passion of hers and she’d like to extend that to college. Otherwise, we’ll be playing some serious financial grab-ass ๐ Better keep those grades up.
French is already in the works and she’ll be in her second year in the fall. I’d like to see her be able to travel as well, but we may just have to settle for some cultural exchange with our cajun counterparts a bit farther down south.
Thanks for the list…she’s got some reading to do!
I wish her all the best luck and courage in the world. If her grades are good, she can qualify for scholarships. You’d be amazed what kinds of financial help are out there – usually in conjunction with some non-profit, or some philanthropists cause. Seriously, there are ways for her to go to school without breakin’ the bank.
Go Team Polydactyl!
I’ll try to quickly tell you my story. I went to liberal arts colleges (transferred a couple of times) and started off as a political science major. Had the usual reaction of “what do I do for work with this degree.” For the next 4 years, I changed my major almost every year. I knew I’d need to work with people so looked into teaching, social work, psychology, etc. I finished with a double major in teaching and psychology. My first job was sort-of an accident through the federal CETA program (anyone remember that?) working in a drug treatment program for kids. Went on to get my Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy. After working in a couple of non-profits, I eventually became the executive director of a non-profit working with troubled kids. I have found my bliss!!
A couple of lessons I drew from this (1) in college, pick an area of interest, but stay open to the particulars. (2) it took some time, but eventually I found a place that brought all of my interests and talents together. I have a passion for working with kids and families, I get to work in the local political scene and I have a great sense for budgets and math (forgot to mention that, but it was totally ignored until this job). (3) After years of living paycheck to paycheck, I now make a pretty decent living. So you can find work that you love and earn a living too.
Finally, given all of this, I just have to put a plug in for the wealth of opportunities to make a living, contribute something positive to society and find your bliss through work in the non-profit sector. As your daughter saw with her recent trip, volunteer work can be a great way to learn about these options.
I used to be envious of the kids I knew who always knew what they wanted to be, and could plan their lives accordingly. But that really only works for some people. Most of us can’t have predicted where we’d end up, five, ten, thirty years after graduation. The job I have now did not exist when I was in college, much less high school. The technology of the internet didn’t exist.
I had a good liberal arts education, mostly a fine arts education, really. And I have, over the years, used both the music and the visual arts backgrounds in various ways, including to make some portion of my income. I’ve had a lot of different jobs, in different fields, sometimes just doing some relatively boring office job to make enough money to live on, sometimes taking a chance at something creatively challenging but less secure. But from all those experiences, from high school, college, other college classes taken since then, and all the jobs I’ve ever held, both paid and volunteer… I’ve learned two important things.
But there’s another type — the generalist — who is needed as well. These people don’t specialize in one thing; they have broader interests, sometimes widely divergent interests. They may accumulate expertise, or at least a decent proficiency in a number of fields or skills. They may dabble in many things without ever approaching the expert levels of the specialists, but they understand enough of those things for their own needs. Generalists can adapt quickly if a new technology comes up, or their old job becomes obsolete. They can change careers when one becomes difficult to find work in, obsolete, or just plain boring. And whatever they do, wherever their interests or jobs take them, they bring with them everything else they’ve ever learned or experienced, and that does make a difference, even if that difference is hard to quantify. I’m a writer, among other things, and a generalist because I’m interested in many things, but not in one thing to the exclusion of all others. But since a writer is by definition also a researcher, being interested in lots of different subjects is a good thing.
For a kid in school who knows where his or her passions are directed, that’s fine — it’s great to have a goal to strive for. Even if they change their minds later. But it’s okay to not know. Then it’s good to try stuff out, explore possibilities, and see where those possibilities lead. Because really, not all people stay in the same job or even career field throughout their working lives. I guess what I’m trying to say is that if your daughter or any other kid doesn’t know what they want to do, where they want to end up as adults, that’s not unusual nor is it at all a problem. Some of us are still working on that angle ourselves….