Ray McGovern, 27-year CIA analyst, Bush I adviser, and a leading member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals For Sanity, on this morning’s Democracy Now!:
“They do not add a single fact to what was previously known about the administration’s pre-war deliberations.”
Now, if The Washington Post knew that as of 23 July, 2002, the President had, in the British word, inevitably decided on war, if they knew that the president intended to use as justification the conjunction between terrorism and so-called weapons of mass destruction, and if they knew that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy, you know, they really ought to — they surely should have told us that, The Washington Post should have.
It’s really ludicrous. It would be laughable if it weren’t so serious a situation. Because what needs to happen here is you have a start-up newspaper in Washington called The Washington Spark, okay? Now, on the 11th of May, they carried the whole story, including the memo itself. Right here.
Now, that hasn’t appeared in The Washington Times or The Washington Post, but here in The Washington Spark, new start-up paper, just days after the memo, it’s there.
So it’s possible there’s some kind of a rule against publishing things that are so critically damaging of our President, and the editorial in the Post today is Exhibit A.
More below, and the name Hussein Kamel comes up. You remember that name, don’t you? Saddam’s son-in-law? …
Today’s WaPo editorial, begins with a bland, passive title:
“Iraq, Then and Now”
Yawn. Mid-paragraph is this:
War opponents have been trumpeting several British government memos from July 2002, which describe the Bush administration’s preparations for invasion, as revelatory of President Bush’s deceptions about Iraq. Bloggers have demanded to know why “the mainstream media” have not paid more attention to them. Though we can’t speak for The Post’s news department, the answer appears obvious: The memos add not a single fact to what was previously known about the administration’s prewar deliberations. Not only that: They add nothing to what was publicly known in July 2002.
Read the entire editorial. See what you think.
Amy Goodman plumbed McGovern’s mind further on the Downing Street documents:
AMY GOODMAN: … Ray McGovern, can you talk about what is most explosive … what is being called the Downing Street Memo, that talks about fixing the facts and intelligence around the policy, and this latest exposé of the Sunday Times of London, showing British cabinet members were warned that Britain was committed to taking part in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, and they had no choice but to find a way to make it legal?
RAY McGOVERN: [W]e Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity had been saying for three years that the intelligence and the facts were being fixed to support an unnecessary war.
We never in our wildest dreams expected to have documentary proof of that under a SECRET label: “SECRET: U.K. EYES ONLY” in a most sensitive document reserved just for cabinet officials in the Blair government.
And so, what we have now is documentary proof that, as that sentence reads, the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
The Washington Post this morning is still at it. They quote that sentence, and they say, “Well, this is vague, but intriguing.”
Well, there’s nothing vague about that at all, and it’s not at all intriguing. It’s highly depressing.
Now, we veteran professionals, we professionals that toil long and hard in the intelligence arena are outraged at the corruption of our profession, but we are even more outraged by the constitutional implications here because as Congressman Conyers has just pointed out, we have here a very clear case that the Executive usurped the prerogatives of Congress of the American people and deceived it into permitting, authorizing an unauthorizeable war.
And, you know, when you get back to how our Constitution was framed by those English folks that were used to kings marching them off to war blithely for their own good, of course, those framers of our Constitution were hell-bent and determined and wrote into the very first Article of our Constitution that the power to make or authorize war would be reserved to the representatives of people in the Congress, not in the Executive.
And so, for that usurpation to happen, that is a constitutional issue, and we’re even more outraged by that.
NOTE TO READERS: I’m not including the excerpts from Rep. John Conyers’ statements on this morning’s show because they’re worth a story on their own. And you may listen, watch or read the transcript of this morning’s show in its entirety.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Michigan Congress Member John Conyers .. Ray McGovern also with us, a long-time C.I.A. analyst for more than a quarter century, a top briefer for former Vice President George H.W. Bush.
I wanted to ask you about Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law, who had said that there were no weapons of mass destruction, cited by western officials, U.S. officials, for many other reasons, but they never brought up that issue. Can you talk about the significance of this?
RAY McGOVERN: Yes. This gentleman’s name was Hussein Kamel. He was one of Saddam Hussein’s sons-in-law. And he defected in 1995 and was thoroughly debriefed by U.N. and U.S. and U.K. debriefers.
He had quite a story to tell, because he was head of the missile, chemical, biological and nuclear programs in Iraq. And he was able to finger some of the things that the U.N. inspectors did not know, and what he told them turned out to be quite right.
He also told them that the chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs and weapons were destroyed at his order in July of 1991, right after the Gulf War.
That’s in black and white. It’s in the debriefing report.
An enterprising British researcher went to Vienna. I don’t know how he got access to the debriefing report, but he did, and he found out that Kamel also said, as I said, that all those weapons were destroyed at his order. Of course, he was in charge.
Now, curiously enough, that seemed to escape our leaders. It was never cited, although Hussein Kamel himself was held up as the paragon of a reliable source.
Dick Cheney, himself, in his major speech of 26 August, 2002, held Hussein’s son-in-law as one of our most lucrative, reliable sources, but he never told us that this source, this wonderful source, also told us that all those weapons had been destroyed in July of 1991 at his order.
Now, there’s no excuse for them not knowing that. It may have slipped in a crack between the F.B.I. and the C.I.A., I suppose, but it also appeared in Newsweek four weeks before the war. Four weeks before the war, the report that Hussein Kamel, their paragon source, had said all those weapons had been destroyed.
Now, the C.I.A and the spokesmen there and all of the other spokesmen in government said this was ludicrous, this was false; besides, it’s untrue and everything else. And they came down real hard on it.
Guess what our domesticated press did with that. No more story on that, because they were all cheerleading for the war.
And I’ll just make one more point about our domesticated press.
[Repeat of quote above the fold, beginning with “The Washington Post today in this lead editorial …”]
[………….]
AMY GOODMAN: I encourage people to go to our website at DemocracyNow.org. We interviewed Rolf Ekeus, who had questioned Hussein Kamel and said that at the time, he said, there were no weapons of mass destruction. By the way, the son-in-law of Saddam Hussein did ultimately go back to Iraq, and he was executed by Saddam Hussein and his forces. …
Hussein Kamel Hussein Kamel Hussein Kamel Hussein Kamel.
Got it.
It “appeared in Newsweek four weeks before the war …” It “appeared in Newsweek four weeks before the war …” It “appeared in Newsweek four weeks before the war …”
Got it.
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At the conclusion of Downing Street II at TomPaine.com, June 13, 2005, McGovern asks for truth tellers to come out of the woodwork, to bring forth U.S. documents, just as Daniel Ellsberg once did:
Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among people.
-John Adams, August 1765
WOW!!!! I am speechless. Can we have the high crimes hearings now?
Cross-posted at DailyKos.
Can you hear my applause? 🙂 Bravo Susan!
the start-up newspaper that McGovern mentions so favorably:
http://www.washingtonspark.org/
Their list of editors (no banner because they’re using a frameset – ugh) shows that there are positions available.
The coordinators page shows that they need a web/tech person. I don’t think i’d have time but i may get in touch to offer some help with their site (like lose the frameset). I don’t think it’s a great idea to have the contents entirely in PDF.
It’s good to know about it though. I wish them well.
From the logo, it’s an Indymedia affiliate. This is the first I’ve heard of an indymedia group making a real serious effort to establish a viable print presence.
This is just infuriating.
So, they are no longer completely blaming bad intelligence…they are now conceding the fact that the President of the United States “exaggerated” the threat from Iraq in order to justify going to war. They are conceding this and saying, basically, “big deal, we already knew he was lying, but big woop.”
According to my dictionary: exaggerate – to enlarge beyond bounds or the truth.
He lied. Granted, it wasn’t about something of national significance, like a blow-job, but it is a lie nonetheless. By the way, that is one of the big ten…commandments that is. So where are the Christians on this one?
I mean, come on: it was pretty obvious.
Yeah, most people paying attention thought they knew, but the overwhelming denial on the part of the “bigtime” media and virtually all national politicians sowed a lot of doubt.
Fast forward to the present, and the knowledge that the war was a fraud is proven. So now the response from that same media and most of those same pols is, “We knew that already, what’s the big deal?”
The big deal is what it always was: Bush lied, people died. For once, it really is that simple. If Bush is not prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned, at the least we should, in the name of justice, just wipe all the murder laws off the books.
But, but, but … that would mean that rich &/or powerful people would no longer be the only ones who could get away with murder. Have you no respect for tradition?
Yeah, you and me and a few others…. the vast majority of Americans believed Iraq was a threat!
Hell, even Al Franken believed it (dope). And John Kerry and John Edwards etc., etc., etc. voted for authorization!
And that baloney that Kerrym, Biden, et al. passed around that it was only authorization and war was the last resort is a bunch of crap because you, Slacker, and I knew that Bush was going to war no matter what.
And so did they. They HELPED perpetuate the myths about Iraq by their utter lack of b-lls.
Oops. My post reflected my anger. I’m steamed. Just like I was before the war … before the 1700 American lives were lost and 100,000+ Iraqi civilians were killed …
And I highly admire the way you use the energy from it, susanhu!
Thanks for another great diary.
that I’m ready to give up on the big media. But oddly enough, it seems that people of all political stripes are slowing coming to understand the fraud that Bush has perpetrated.
There’s a quote I love from the Swiss critic and writer Henri-Frederic Amiel – “Pure truth cannot be assimilated by the crowd; it must be communicated by contagion”
Hindsight [PL 107-243, AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002].
Twenty-three senators voted against. House vote was 296 to 133. I’d suggest you read the Congressional Record of the time.
If so much information was available in June, why did such a large percentage of our elected reps voted for the authorization in October? Because the Washington Post didn’t challenge the assumptions?
I think the larger question is why the information wasn’t presented to the committees debating the issue in Congress. If the information was available in the “hallowed halls”, those voting for, and up for reelection should lose their jobs in ’06.
No matter their party affiliation.
Blowing off the DSM as nothing new is just as bad as if not worse than Limbaugh saying Abu Ghraib was just soldiers blowing off steam. What paper is going to take Bush on? Who among them will step forward and start shouting the truth so loud and so hard that it eventually brings the Bush Dynasty down like Joshua and the walls of Jericho? Whatever news agency manages to do that will forever be at the top of the heap. You’d think they’d be clamoring for the chance. It’s not as if they’d have to actually do any actual investigative reporting or work or anything… JUST REPORT THE FACTS DAMN IT. Sorry, better now.
There was an editorial in the LA Times on the 12th that is similar to the Washington Post editorial. I’m sure most of you have seen it, but if you didn’t it’s here (registration required):
The Left Gets a Memo
I read most of your informative diaries and front pagers but do not comment much- mostly cause I’m so goddamn angry a at the more and more outrageous stuff that you and others keep finding and it gives me horrendous heartburn not to mention a very bad potty-mouth.
Somethings, sometimes are left better unsaid, but I wish I had a friggin’ gun…
Ray is my main man!
RAY McGOVERN:
1. “Proof Bush Fixed the Facts” May 4, 2005
2. “Downing Street II” June 13, 2005
We’re accepting massive rehistorying here.
At the time of the memos, there was no such thing as “the” Iraq war.
The senate resolution was passed in OCTOBER 2002.
The DS minutes were written earlier in JULY 2002. At that moment there was no conceivable ability of a President to invade.
If a decision had been made, it was unConstitutional. When the President spoke to Congress, he was lying.
Or has history always flowed in both directions?
The memos add not a single fact to what was previously known about the administration’s prewar deliberations. Not only that: They add nothing to what was publicly known in July 2002.
What was “previously known” is irrelevant.
The DSM disputes what the Bush Administration TOLD EVERYONE.
How many times did they all say, we’re trying everything, war is a last resort, we’re working through the UN…?
The DSM completely refutes the statements made by the Bush Administration in the run up to the war.
ARGH.
How can these people be so obtuse?
yup we did know…I personally was telling ppl with whom I worked with, about this stuff. They looked at me straight in the eye and said otherwise. Why? well the major press out here in la la land was doing the lying for this admin. for them. Yup they wanted war alright. All of them…I hope they know how foolish that makes them look to most of us now, that have said it before and after this whole show. Yup they are well paid fools and they continue to be well paid fools. It sickens me to no end to hear them now…I just want to be alive and able to rejoyce when these criminals are taken to the court of world opinion and sentenced for the rest of their natural lives. I want to see them suffer and suffer big time.
If going on the premice that the beliefs of Christianity that when they die and their souls go to be accounted for, that not even one deathbed asking for forgiveness is honored by the Heavenly Father. They are not christians and do such things as they are doing..they are, to me, the most horrible of evils ever. the whole bunch of them..Just stop for one minute and think of all the sorry things this adminstration has done both to us here inthe the states and to the world. This is going to get very ugly before it is over with, I am afraid.
Anyhow, I want it done as soon as posibble so I for one can dance at their convictions. Can you just imagine the ghosts that will be dancing upon the graves of all of those who have done these terrible things…I know this is not a good way to think…but it may be my only way of survival of my entrenity.
Thanks Susan..you just are the very very best in my opinion…
Extending the riff from my recent diary, “DSM Doublethink: Nothing New, We Knew It All Along”, one can reasonably argue that they knew, but they didn’t know.
That is, they knew very well that Bush was headed to war, that was one reason why, for example, they didn’t write very critically of all the absurd claims he and other Administration officials made.
In fact, it even explains why they didn’t know. They didn’t know for absolutely, Downing Street Memo sure (despite what they say now), precisely because they knew what they would find if they dug, and they didn’t want to remove the state of faux-ambiguity (aka doublethink) that allowed them to play things both ways.
This is (one reason) why they never probed very deeply–because they knew well enough what was coming not to want to disturb things, which would put them in the position of being attacked by the Administration, all part of the Administration’s balancing act, keeping all the contradictory ideas in proper balance. Better to be part of the balancing act than to be the object of Administration “balancing.”
And that’s still the game they’re playing now with the “nothing new here” line.
This line not only serves to downplay the current, belated surge of attention and demand for justice, it also serves to whitewash the official media’s past complicity. See, if the Downing Street Memo really contains “nothing new” (which in a technical way is true–it is specific, official confirmation, it’s the FORM, not the contents that are new), then that means that the official media didn’t fall down on their job by failing to uncover it (or other, similar insider smoking-gun info).
“whitewash the official media’s past complicity”
Exactly! News organizations are supposed to tell the people what they need to know to function in a democracy. If we’d realized what was going on — as they apparently did — we the people would have shut that stuff down!
Instead they were reporting bushco’s lies without question. Shame on them!
OTOH, I did finally read the whole editorial, and the end kind of scares me:
the president, once again, is not talking frankly to the country about the sacrifice that may be required, or where the troops and other resources for such an effort will come from. Those ought to be the questions at center stage this summer.
The Post should be the one to raise the questions, of course! But their Co. donated $100,000 for his inaugural (and I don’t know about his campaign).
They’re saying he’s lying again, and it’s going to cost the American people dearly — in lives, debt, and social programs, no doubt.
I guess we can forget about voting?
To the Editor,
“They add nothing to what was publicly known in July 2002.” That is a very interesting statement, considering that the sentence refers to the minutes from a meeting in which the British equivalent of the CIA reported that the Bush administration was “fixing” the intelligence on Iraq to invent a case for going to war.
If, as you state, this information is not news to you, could you please explain why you did not share this information with your readership at the time your paper became aware of it? Knowing ahead of time that the administration was creating the very same misleading “intelligence” that it subsequently blamed as “faulty” could have saved countless innocent lives by preventing an unjust and unnecesary war against an innocent population.
How many families could have been spared the suffering of lost loved ones? How many new “insurgents” would not have been created? How many billions, and billions of dollars could be available to help needy Americans? How many innocent people could have been spared the torture chambers in Cuba, Afghanistan, Syria, and other countries to which we have sent them?
Imagine: your paper could have prevented this country from squandering the good will of the world after 9/11. Instead, you allowed this travesty of a war to be launched. When you had the opportunity to prevent all of it, you did not. Now that you have the opportunity to help end it, you, once again choose the complicity of silence.
Shame on you for tarnishing the once-proud journalistic integrity of the Washington Post by participating in what has been called the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.
Sincerely,
[me]
a state run media service in all but name. All they ever report is whatever propaganda the regime want the people to believe.