“Women should be all dressed in white like all other domestic appliances.”
– Formula 1 head honcho Bernie Ecclestone last week during an interview about Indy racing star Danica Patrick, via WaMonthly
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that’s a classic.
My personal favorite sexist quote came from a neighbor of mine. He got into an argument with one of the bridesmaids at my wedding, and he told her, “Shut up, and go make me some pancakes.”
That was memorable.
She should’ve kicked him in the nuts and said: “Let me scramble your eggs first…”
witness the fight, it happened after I retired to the hotel room with my bride.
But it went on for hours and she gave as good as she got.
But it went on for hours and she gave as good as she got
are you talking about the fight or what went on in the bedroom?…..
no I was referring to the fight.
It sure is a bad time to be a chick. RvW on the chopping block, morning after pills taken OUT of rape kits, our own party ready to cast us into the pit as a sacrafice to the god of “Important Shit.” I’ve really had my fill.
Oh, I’m with ya. I had just finished reading “God’s Politics” and was feeling that I could compromise with pro-life dems by agreeing that lowering the abortion rate through real sex-ed, access to birth control and providing services for those women who choose to continue unplanned pregnacies is a good thing.
Then I found out my so-called “pro-life” Democratic congressman just voted against restoring funding to the UN Family Planning fund. I’m pissed, I’m seriously pissed.
Just think, we might get a pro-life Dem senator here in PA…now I’m pissed too.
but at least Casey is pro-bestiality, unlike that prude Santorum. </snark>
I just have to share this review of one of Casey’s recent fundraisers from someone I know who attended with the thought of backing Casey (we know each other from working with our local family plannng organization):
“Well, besides being in a absolutely huge, stately, over 100 year old home, with no air conditioning , the evening was a bit of a disappointment.
I did ask the question of whether he would support the effort to increase Title X which is woefully under funded. He agreed that is was and that he would indeed support efforts to increase the amount. He couldn’t guarantee $600 million, but he did say it needed a boost in the arm, so to speak.
When asked would he support Pro-Choice Judges to the Supreme Court and block any that would strike down Roe v. Wade, he gave the typical politician side shuffle.
“I don’t have a litmus test for supporting or voting down Judges etc….Blah, Blah , Blah” That drew mumbles of discontent from the crowd.
He is against opening lines for Stem Cell Research as it would go against his religious beliefs. That drew moans from the crowd.
He is for Gay Civil Unions with all benefits attached. He wasn’t real clear on Gay Marriage. Seemed as though he supports everything except calling it marriage.
He believes in the distribution of condoms and EC. In fact he was really clear that he supports most if not all issues surrounding Family Planning. I have his Campaign Managers number and E-mail address, so we can try to get him to fill out our survey. I can try the back door approach if you need to.
He was long winded, not to the point, didn’t seem to have focus or a clear agenda and was not very dynamic. Granted this is very early in the process, but he had better sharpen up his act if he is ever to beat Santorum.
I know that all of you are very disappointed in his stance on Stem Cell Research and Pro-Choice. I agree that is very disturbing, but he is our only real hope to beat Santorum. He has a proven track record of success, lots of money to back him, and the support of the State and National party leadership. Additionally, the folks outside of Philadelphia….as in the rest of the State….really like him. I am not suggesting we back him as an organization. That said…He needs a lot of work on his delivery, sharpness and quickness on response to various issues…”
What a ringing endorsement for Casey…NOT.
Thank You.
That was a good summation.
I’m not real happy with him, and I do NOT believe he’s our “only hope” to beat santorum.
I’m a Chuck Pennacchio person myself…you’re out towards Pittsburgh, aren’t you?
Yep, right in da burgh and I work in the state office building. Live in the suburbs.
Pennacchio is intriguing, I think he could use the name to his advantage.
Have you heard of Pennachio anywhere offline? I’m in the East End and haven’t at all. They really need to get busy here in the west.
I’m confused, though. He cites his religious beliefs to be against stem cell research, yet supports EC and condom distribution which are both condemned by the RCC?
I’d like to know if he would support Reid/Clinton’s Prevention first act. If he would, I’ll hold my nose in November and vote for him, assuming he’s the nominee. If not, I’m having serious second thoughts. If it weren’t Santorum, I’d stay home for sure.
That’s terrible … does he realize he’s condemning thousands of African women and children to early death, starvation, etc.?
I don’t mind of a Democratic politician is personally against abortion, as long as he/she is pro-choice and for — J.C.! — common sense, realistic, open-minded sex ed!
I knew it! I knew you couldn’t trust those guys! Fringy Republicans that will do anything for a piece of the power pie!
BTW, the New York State Senate has voted for the morning after pill to be available over the counter. It is now before our dear Governor.
(I watch TV with the sound muted and listening to music.)
Pataki’s pro-choice, right? Three cheers for passage…
In a pinch you can put Morning after pills back in a rape kit, if there’s a need.
Twenty-one brands of oral contraceptives that can be used for emergency contraception in the United States
The top level of that site is;
Welcome to the Emergency Contraception Website operated by the Office of Population Research at Princeton University and by the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals.
Wow, thanks.
Thank you so much. This is invaluable information.
Does he have a lynching joke up his sleeve for when an african american driver shows up? Or a grape picking joke for latino drivers?
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
Are we having fun yet?
On a bright note, here in New York even Republicans can get behind doing the right thing every once in awhile… wonder how much lobby money the drug industry poured in to convince them to be so liberal.
It gets better. According to the CNN story:
So yeah, he’s an asshole for all seasons. If it’s any consolation, this was the main frontpage story on CNN last night. That’s something, at least. There was a time, not so distant, when such remarks would hardly excite a comment.
A Spanish speaking Jewish Muslim Black girl that happens to be a super model race car driver that got her start at Hooters and likes to eat pie.
Cool.
I’m uncomfortable comparing racism with sexism. They are very different things.
Having said that, this culture is famous for smacking down strong women:
Anita Hill
Gloria Steinem
Martha Stewart
Hillary Clinton
Think of any well known woman who has challenged male-dominated parts of the culture — SMACK!
I’m honestly curious to know why the comparison makes you uncomfortable. The oppression of women just goes back a lot further in time in my view.
Bigotry by any person or group of people towards any person or group of people… sucks.
Simple as that.
Of course it sucks. You’ll get no argument from me since I’m a raving lesbian and a feminist. Read the rest of my original post.
The comparisons still bother me, though. Perhaps it’s the blatancy of slavery, lynching, rape, selling of children, etc. that were tolerated in this country — that is so over the top. The discrimination against women is awful, but different.
I don’t think it is any different at all. It is one group of people holding down another. The forms it takes may be different but when it gets down to it it’s exactly the same.
How about the widespread and practice of genital mutilation , use of “comfort women” during the Korean war, today’s ever increasing sex slavery trade, honor killings…and that’s just a few off the very top of my head.
I was referring to the U.S. We could also talk about ethnic cleansing — all over the world. All of it is horrible, horrible, horrible.
But in regard to this country, what we did to African Americans in no way compares to what has been done to white women. That isn’t saying that what women have endured and continue to endure is fair or American — of course not.
I just disagree that the two can be compared equally. As a white woman — even though I’m gay, and even though I live in a red state, and even though I live a block from the Southern Baptist Seminary — I can still hold my girlfriend’s hand in public, I can be publicly and vocally out of the closet, I have an excellent education, and a great job as an art professor. (And I come from a lower middle class background).
I will fight for the preservation of a woman’s right to choose, Title IX, and civil rights for gay people, etc., because they are right, and fair, and American. But, thank god, we aren’t talking about people being burned alive in Mississippi or chained or whipped or forced to f*** their white master. It’s different. Gitmo is a better comparison to what was done to African Americans.
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you as much as asking for clarification of your position. My personal feeling is that we have to look at these issues from a global perspective in order to understand them.
Hey – your last post sounds like my neck of the woods. You aren’t in Atlanta by any chance are you?
Gotcha. re:The global perspective.
I’m from Louisville. Hot and humid as hell here today.
My favorite bit of sexism was finding out that the area chair of my program in grad school devoted much of his research to figuring out an IQ test that would tell him whether a test-taker was a man or a woman.
We wondered if he really couldn’t tell any other way.
Why is it so unreasonable to research a variation of the IQ test that would accurately predict gender? We know for a fact that there exists significant neurological differences between the genders that are expressed both morphologically and behaviorally. Isn’t the acceptance of these facts no different from accepting physiological and intellectual variation among individuals? Even Rousseau in Origins of Inequality debunked the notion that civil equality enacted by government meant total equality of everything among all. Equality is a legal mechanism to ensure consistent civil rights, and should not be confused with an ideology which promotes the notion that all should be equal in strength, intellect, skill, or even blind luck. *shrug* Another way to state this is: why is different inherently bad? Why make a value judgment over differences at all? –M
The areas you cite are interesting, but the differences you state are not quite as absolute as you portray. Those typical differences in male vs. female morphology and performance measures (hey, you are talking about one of my areas of expertise here) consistently show great overlap among males and females. For example, men are more lateralized in brain function than women, but that’s not to say that women’s brains are undifferentiated bilaterally, or that men have no ability to shift function from one side to the other. I’ll not belabor the issue, there is much more to it than this.
The person who so amused me was not interested in the overlap. He wanted simple, absolute differences obtainable through a pencil and paper test – though he certainly should have known better than to expect to find them. He was confounded in his ability to have anything he tried pan out. He expected women to do less well than men on IQ tests (not on the average, but in terms of the ends of the male vs. female distributions), and he expected that this performance deficit would be due to some simple and pervasive inability on the part of women. He never found what he wanted. He was always sticking a question in front of one of us, and telling us that when we answered, he would be able to tell us if we were a male or a female. Although I understand intellectually what he was saying, it was so patently ridiculous on the surface.
OK. A couple of points. It’s not my field. I’ll defer to your specialty. That said, the Scientific American article listed several brain morphology differences that a scientist quoted believed could soon be determined by something similar to an EEG test. So the notion that a series of probing questions might also discern these kinds of differences seems possible, though I have no idea what the likelihood of that outcome might be. Of course we’re talking about populations here and not individuals. There will always be those on the ends of the curve who exhibit cross-traits out of the norm for most members of each group. Which would make determining gender based on these tests not definitive, but only valid within a certain margin of error.
I’ve been particularly impressed by recent on the similarities and differences discerned from identical twin studies. The old nature vs. nurture debate appears to be getting resolved in little increments as scientists actually break down the problem into testable bits. It’s amazing, actually. Who would have thought that one could say with relative certainty that identical twins show a predisposition toward similar food, sexual partners, drug abuse, or a desire for adrenalin excitement? Of course – like I said – this coming from a layperson. Still… a layperson amazed at the tremendous leap forward scientists have made in only the last decade since the completion of the genome project.
I’ve been seeing a lot of these kinds of results hit the popular scientific press… stuff coming out of Newscientist, Scientific American, Eurekalert, etc… However that said, those outlets print articles by journalists and reprint academic press releases; they are not peer reviewed journals within your discipline. So IMO we are in general agreement that science is progressing toward a better understanding of the genetic and morphological differences between species, genders, and even ethnicities while I defer to your better knowledge within your field of the specifics. –M
I am sure they left out the many “twin” studies that show consitantly the percentage of twins where one is homosexual and the other is not. The consistancy being correlated to the percentage of “gay” persons in the general population. Guess that news is way “too old” anyway.
“we know for a fact” stuff…
We really don’t.
The bulk of the research on this and other genetic-based, sex-based, “race”-based differences indicates one so far incontrovertible fact:
The variation within singular groups (Male, Female, Black, White, Asian) is larger than the variation between groups.
What does that mean, functionally?
It means that there is more chance of two randomly selected individuals in the same group being different than there is a chance of two randomly selected individuals in different groups being different.
In terms of “IQ” for example, it is more likely that a randomly selected black individual is similar to a randomly selected white individual (or man/woman, or Jewish/Caucasian, or Aleut/Mbuti)…
Conversely, two randomly selected whites have a greater chance of being very different.
As long as that holds true, then we can safely and confidently say that the overall variations, differences in the medians between those large populations, and etc are not directly or causally related to the genetic or sex differences.
Did you read the Scientific American article I linked to? Because that article did not diverge into issues of differences over ethnicity, but referred only to differences between genders. And, according to the article, the brain morphology and behavioral differences were specific and repeated over the population. While recognizing that SciAm is a popular magazine and not a peer reviewed research journal, the quotes from reputable scientists who state these findings do not equivocate.
As I said before, Rousseau argued for civil equality before the law, not the presumption of total equality of ability and physical characteristics among all. IMO: this is a worthwhile distinction to make. Especially given that real world scientific findings appear to show a greater role for the genetic (nature) basis of behavior than previously thought (nurture). I realize that liberal thought is steeped in the notion of personal responsibility and the potential for redemption through restitution – but it may really turn out that some people are “born” (genetically) predisposed to certain antisocial behaviors and psychiatric illnesses. To blindly refuse the reality of these findings would be no different than conservatives’ blind refusal to accept the great utility of pluripotent stem cells on ideological grounds alone.
Some of these positions I’m taking are derived from a readings of Pinker’s The Blank Slate, Diamond’s Guns, Germs, and Steel and Catastrophe, as well as Dawkin’s Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype, all of which again are popular science books and not part of the peer reviewed press. And, further, I note that this is not my field and am just spouting opinion without a deep understanding of the science in question. Welcome to the net! 🙂 –M
Reminds me of the old joke…
Have you heard they recently discovered a true hermaphrodite? Yes, it was born with both a penis and a brain.
This was in the news this morning: ‘Cold, brutal and sober attack’.
And a quote from the young man’s father after witnessing the support the father received from family and friends at the parole eligibility hearing:
What an absolute tragedy. For the young women, Amandeep, and for the young man Todd and his feelings of guilt etc.
The CBC article provides a picture of Amandeep (), while the above Vancouver Sun article provides a picture of Todd McIsaac.
I don’t expect to have this happen in Canada. That a father would KILL his child for something like this. I can’t comprehend it.
…the CBC link: B.C. father sentenced for killing daughter.
O.
What a light in her eyes that is now out forever.
that bastard.
Another sikh father who disapproved of a liason
gave his daughter a wedding gift. It was a kettle
containing a bomb.
There are also two murderers walking free in Surrey,
BC. A beautiful young woman fell in love with a
musician or street performer in India. Her mother
and her uncle hired thugs to have her murdered
over in India where there exists a warrant for
them. In the meantime, they walk about their
community in freedom.
These are off the top of my head but a Google
search will bring up more I am certain.
My second favorite bit of sexism was having a school principal (male) tell me that men couldn’t teach kindergarten, because it was well known that all young children are frightened by men. And tall women. They just aren’t motherly.
No wonder I was such a lousy mother.
Too tall.
That answers a LOT of questions for me, thanks!
tee hee
Colour me skeptical, but isn’t this appeasement?
U.S. to Donate Food to North Korea
Okay – back to the live senate aremed services committee hearings on Iraq where Leiberman is currently quoting from the bible and butt kissing the Republicans.
Perhaps he thinks it will keep the Navy in Groton. It’s worked so well so far.
we had another Meta-Kos diary?
snark!
having followed F1 racing for (mumble) years now, this doesn’t surprise me much.
F1’s always been a “gentlemans’ club” and Bernie’s never been the sharpest tool in the shed. His li’l brain has a terrible time coping with things that it’s never seen before and Patrick threatens to upset his entire world because she’s simply a hell of a driver.
To me the neatest thing I’ve seen about the situation is that reading interviews I think she really doesn’t give a rat’s about “making history” or “breaking stereotypes” or all that media-generated crap.
Janet Guthrie and Lynn St. James got a lot of press just because they were women. Patrick gets a lot of press because she’s FAST. She just likes driving very fast cars very well and wants to win races, and that’s all there is to it.
Too damn bad the boys aren’t bright enough to see that. It’s going to come back to bite them one day, probably soon. I’ll be cheering. (Not from the sidelines, ticket prices being what they are.)
As a hoosier who grew up in Indy and thus is required to follow the 500, I want to defend Guthrie and St. James. Janet Guthrie highest finish was 9th. Lyn St. James highest finish was 11th. Both were hampered by not being able to compete at Indy until their late 30’s/early 40’s and neither ever had a really good car or solid backing. Given their disadvantages, the successes that they did have were quite solid.
It seem that these people want us to live in the 90’s that is the 1890’s.
Let’s keep kids ignorant about birth control and sexual diseases, but have higher incidents of teenage pregnancy and disease.
Let’s keep women back at the house cooking & cleaning for the family. No title 13 opportunities, let’s eliminate them cause it’s unfair to the boys.
Let’s keep women at low wages (Walmart), cause after all a man needs more $$ to support the family. Even though a lot of the single mothers are living very close to the poverty line.
Let’s have the sanctity of life no abortions, but no prenatal care or first start programs for young children.
I hate these hypocrites.
I’ve never seen a picture of the charming Mr. Ecclestone, but his comment immediately brings to mind certain images: someone quite past his prime, with beer gut hanging over his belt, the kind of neanderthal man that women find utterly disgusting and who thinks he is a great sex symbol.
Perhaps I’m being unfair to him, and the reality is even worse.
that I can tell…
Of course, your typical F1 guy is waaay different than your typical NASCAR guy…
this man must have been in a coma throughout the ’70s. I mean, all in white? Please. Doesn’t this guy remember the glory days of the Avocado and Harvest Gold revolution? Feh, I’ll bet he never had a knotty pine rec room either. See, that’s the kind of deprivation that ferments such base disregard for human dignity.