Ready for some grim reading? I don’t mean the talk-show line-up for the day. I mean really grim.
It’s the 132-page Defense Science Board’s Report of the Task Force On Nuclear Weapon Effects and Test, Evaluation, and Simulation. Yikes and a half.
In a nutshell, they’re preparing to fight nuclear war.
Look. I know they do this stuff all the time. Have been since I was a tyke. You’d think I’d have gotten used to it, learned to accept it by now. On the contrary. Scares me more now than 20 years ago. Because then, we had Mutually Assured Destruction in full force. Mostly us and the Russians loaded and cocked behind tens of thousands of megatons of wastemakers that neither side could wipe out without the other side getting in a massive return salvo. The balance of terror, as we called it.
Some people – U.S. government people – used to argue that an all-out nuclear exchange wouldn’t necessarily wipe out humanity. I suppose some Soviet apparatchiks made that argument, too. But even the most hawkish optimists had to admit the casualty count would be horrific. The best results estimated by U.S. officials in the early `80s was 44 million immediately dead Americans. Worse for the Soviets. And that would just be the beginning. Next comes radiation sickness and contamination. Disease. Chaos. Savage competition for scarce resources. Barter Town.
At the time, some considerable skepticism arose over an idea first promoted by Carl Sagan and some colleagues about whether torching broad swaths of three continents would send soot and smoke high into the atmosphere and filter out sunlight in a wide band around the most inhabited parts of the planet for a couple of years, cooling things off considerably, playing havoc with the growing season and causing mass starvation: nuclear winter. Bad modeling, said some. Weak data, said others. Agenda-driven science, said others still. Maybe so. But even those who denied the concept of war as climate changer had to concede a full-out exchange would be exceptionally bad news.
Knowing that, only somebody megalomaniacal, extremely depressed or insane would actually start a planet-paving war. You knew we or the Soviets might get stuck with a Dr. Strangelove, but probably not. So, in a way, the MAD strategy made you feel a little bit safer than you would have without it as long as nobody tried an end-run around any of its safeguards. Or a false alert of an enemy attack didn’t turn into Armageddon.
But the job of generals and their bosses from antiquity has been to find a way around the enemy’s strategy. This is made more complex when the enemy’s strategy is also your strategy. One way to throw MAD out of balance would be to orbit weapons in space and build a ground-based, ship-based missile defense system. Assuming such a system worked, you could launch a first-strike attack with your own nuclear missiles, then mop up whatever surviving missiles your enemy managed to launch in return fire. To observe legal niceties, this first strike would, of course, be called pre-emptive.
MAD still exists, but the prospects of a strategic war between the two great antagonists have not been so unlikely for nearly six decades. And the Defense Science Board puts a strategic, all-out nuclear war at the bottom of its list of nuclear threats. Yet regional nuclear war, including with the Russians, is, the DSB claims, more likely than before:
more, not less, likely that U.S. forces will have to operate in a nuclear environment in regional operations. This is driven by the proliferation of nuclear weapon capabilities and the attractiveness of nuclear weapons as an offset to U.S. conventional superiority and as a counter to U.S. preemptive doctrine. …
Although nuclear weapons will have much less impact in political and military calculations than at the height of the Cold War, it appears that they will have a significant, albeit different, role in the years ahead. Importantly, the attitude of many other countries regarding nuclear weapons is evolving in a manner quite different from ours, with selected nations viewing nuclear weapons as a legitimate, asymmetric war fighting tool. This Task Force believes that the U.S. is, unavoidably, entering a future in which the probability of nuclear weapon use by others is higher than during the Cold War. The U.S. must create resources agile enough to confront the nuclear challenges of the next 15 years
A good deal of the DSB’s report is given over to the need to accurately simulate nuclear effects in order to more effectively harden military machinery’s ability to survive in that lovely euphemism, “a nuclear environment.” Difficult to disagree with that. Generals who don’t protect their assets lose.
However, with the possible exception of North Korea – whose most honored and beloved dear leader may well be megalomaniacal, insane and depressed – I don’t buy the argument that other nation states are going to present a credible nuclear threat to the United States any time soon. Seems to me there’s little doubt in the minds of the Iranians, for instance, that use of any nukes they build would get them nuked at least 10 times over. The mullahs are mean, not crazy.
Suicidal terrorists with a nuke? Does anybody think that can’t happen? Some day, no doubt. But how likely is it going to be used against a hardened target? About 10,000 to 1, I would calculate. Arriving in a crate, or a trawler or maybe some purloined or purchased cruise missile, it will probably be pointed at a city or a port.
As for the use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield as a positive thing, who’s talking about that the most? Hint: It’s not Kim Jung-il.
A Russian military newspaper notes that
So, Moscow would use nukes to deter its enemies – the MAD strategy – and actually fight with them if under attack. But, then, everybody says they’ll actually use their nuclear weapons if attacked; if they said otherwise, who would be deterred?
The United States under Bush is another story. Since the leaking of truly scary Nuclear Posture Review in 2001, we’ve known that the Administration is hell-bent on building the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, the so-called “bunker buster” with an explosive yield equal to 10 times what was dropped on Hiroshima. That plus mini-nukes, warheads with less than a tenth the yield of the Hiroshima bomb for tactical battlefield use. National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, a key advocate of mini-nukes, has argued, as have others, nobody wants to use the current crop of nukes because their devastation is so great. Key advantage of mini-nukes? Less reluctance to use them.
Last December, a narrow bipartisan vote in Congress chopped $27.6 million off the RNEP budget and also eliminated $9 million for mini-nuke research. As we know too well, however, this Administration finds ways around obstacles to its plans. As William D. Hartung of the World Policy Institute noted shortly before Dubyanocchio took office, the Bush Administration seems determined to go from MAD to NUTS.
Cuba, we now know, was perhaps the closest we came to full-scale launch. Less known I think is Eisenhower’s message to the Chinese in ’54 that, if they continued their advance South, the U.S. would consider use of “all weapons” in our inventory. We are close to the same situation now as in Korea: our options are limited because we have over-committed our conventional military forces.
No rational person believes any use – first or response – could be contained if either side in a conflict used tactical battlefield nukes. No matter the yield.
No rational person.
I can only hope and pray that the NeoCon nutcases currently running our country, running it in to bankruptcy, will soon be out of power and unable to utilize nukes as a means of policy enforcement.
Great Spirit help us if they do indeed launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against a non nuclear country.
I don’t feel confident enough to say that we won’t and it’s too depressing to allow that we will. I think if the US did launch a nuclear attack against a non-nuclear country, the world’s reaction would destroy us economically. Right now, our deficit is being supported by foreign investments and we are heavily dependant on imports, oil especially. I can imagine that OPEC would cut us off over-night and Asian banks would junk our bonds and send the dollar into worthlessness.
I think the possibilities depend directly on who is in the White House. If our military is sent to take on another country or two while it is still struggling with Iraq (not to exclude Afghanistan), I can see it happening during this administration.
As to the likely economic effects of such an action helping to prevent such folly, I see little evidence that our ongoing “preemptive” activities were planned with anything like a realistic assessment of the outcomes in any domain. Why would they do differently in the future?
…when I’m already under it? I never understood that Civil Defense pamphlet.
I see your Yikes and a half and raise you an exclamation mark.
Excellent diary. Depressing, Scary. Enraging. But excellent.
In 1982, I wrote an expose of the Federal Emergency Management Ageny’s Crisis Relocation Plan. To be brief, the idea was that if nuclear attack seemed “imminent” – the Soviets were going to red alert and making suspicious sounds, I guess – the government would evacuate everybody in “target areas” to “safe areas” where we would pile enough dirt around the foundations and doors of whatever buildings we were housed in to keep down the radiation.
Of course, ICBMs are not totally accurate, and being off by 0.5% over 7000 miles can make a safe area a target area – especially when you live along a target-rich corridor as I did then: the Cheyenne, Wyoming to Pueblo, Colorado corridor.
The idiocy of this plan – which included things like leaving a forwarding address with your local post office – soon became apparent. Public hearings came about. The hearings got bigger. And angrier. Finally, for the last hearing, “60 Minutes” came to town and did a piece. Ultimately, CRP was first beaten in my small city, then across the country. City and country government funded and appointed a commission to look into the effects of nuclear war, something we 18 commission members did for 18 months, eventually producing a 32-page booklet mailed to every county address.
A good book on the subject is Robert Scheer’s With Enough Shovels.
I remember that story. Kudos.
I was a junior in high school. He is an international economist and I remember a period of time when off an on he’d have to go to work at really odd hours 3 pm to 2 am and such whenever they would run these drills. Of course, being an economist, he couldn’t actually deploy any of the resources that would need to be deployed and as such, they had to pretend. Yes. Pretend.
I remember getting several calls from my dad that year: “Hi sweetie, they just dropped the bomb. I just called to say hi as it’s better than pretending to talk into the telephone…”
Incredibly asinine shit!!
of the neo-conservative plan to maintain the military supremacy of the United States, along with “Global Strike,” weaponizing space, outspending virtually all other countries combined, etc, etc.
Note that military supremacy is relative. They will be pretty much happy to be the strongest cavemen around.
If the US does use nuclear weapons in the near future it is hard to see a target other than Iran. Since North Korea already has a nuclear deterrent, not to mention the tactical ability to destroy Seoul, a new adventure is unlikely to start there. Oops, I forgot Pakistan.
Pakistan, for my money, is the most dangerous country in the world today. An Islamic Republic of Pakistan run by the Taliban is not hard to envision. Pakistan has already done more damage to the cause of non-proliferation than North Korea and that was when they were supposedly on our side.
In more general terms, when the US is running amok and the only thing that seems to give the neo-cons pause is the nuclear deterrent, everyone is going to want to have the bomb.
Cheerful diary MB.
Hal C.
[I posted a similar comment on the same diary at dKos and Meteor deleted the diary even though it elicited no flames and only thoughful discussion. This is a hot button issue and clarity is important.]
…it was some glitch.
I have to say that a guy who kidnapped a South Korean director and actress so he could make a hagiographic movie about himself, who “encourages” himself to be called the Sun Eternal and other names in the media, and whose farm policies led to instances of cannibalism (according to fleeing refugees) certainly sounds, well, kind of megalomaniacal to me. But maybe not depressed, since he has all the luxuries any dictator can buy.
Can I get out of the Rumsfeldian category by saying that the guy is bizarre, unpredictable and dangerous? (Not unlike another dear leader …)
[First, I am very pleased to learn that the diary deletion was accidental.]
Would you be so gullible about any other country as to repeat that old thoroughly discredited cannibalism story.
KiM Jong Il instituted small capitalism in the marketplace in an attempt to boost food production. Some of these guys sold monkey flesh and limbs and suddenly Famine-struck N Koreans ‘eating children’ as the Telegraph put it. Many lurid stories came out of the food shortage that had no basis in fact without denying a severe and dangerous food shortage. Kim deals with this issue at length in the interview.
I worry when the same kind of language used to characterize Noriega, Hussein, Khadaffi, etc. are used because it serves no purpose other than to prepare the populace for war. Kim is an insular Stalinist strongman. I do not know that he is more bizarre than Albania’s Hoxha or Romania’s Ceausescu or whoever runs the Congo or Equatorial Africa, or USA etc.
But please read the intercept.
Thanks, Hal C.
…I don’t take the word of dictators – and especially not Kim – on much of anything. But I would be happy to reconsider if you can point me to a credible source on the subject.
I understand what you’re saying about contributing to warmongering framing. At the same time, some of these guys can be … ahem … loose cannons. In Libya, for instance, where my stepson lived for 21 years, Qadafi initiated two disastrous wars, sponsored terrorist attacks in a variety of places, sees himself as the savior of Africa (thought he has the same ludicrous view of AIDS as Thabo Mbeki) and would not be the kind of person I’d like to see with nukes. Then, of course, I’d like to see all of them dismantled.
I do not have my old links and I must be quick, but here are a few.
Hunger is egalitarian and not unprecedented for our planet in this era (NYT 12/1998
The Whole Country Seems to Be Underfed
That figure is higher than in any country in East Asia and puts North Korea among the world’s worst 10 countries in terms of malnutrition. While that 16 percent figure is not quite as bad as those of India and Bangladesh, the worst in the world with an 18 percent rate, experts say North Korea’s number in some ways understates the problem. In India and Bangladesh, pockets of severe poverty alternate with pockets of relative plenty, while in North Korea the whole country is to some degree underfed.
Lurid stories not documented [NYT]
Military does not steal food [NYT].
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United States State Department 1997
BURNS: I don’t believe so. We’ve seen that report in the press. It’s obviously very disturbing. But I don’t believe we have any direct information at all about cannibalism. We have information from visiting congressmen, from the United Nations, from a lot of the non-governmental organizations that work there that there is tremendous shortage. It is widespread throughout the country, and it particularly affects older people and young kids, as you would expect in a situation like that.
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Lurid stories unfounded LAT 1997
Tun Myat, leader of the U.N. World Food Program
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Church groups concur 1998
by Chris Herlinger
Ecumenical News International
NEW YORK-North Korea is still facing a critical food shortage, but a Western relief coordinator based there sees no evidence to justify media reports of a “killer” famine claiming millions of lives and forcing people into cannibalism.
“I just don’t give any kind of credence to some of these horror stories,” said Erich Weingartner, who serves as a liaison officer for the United Nations World Food Program in Pyongyang, North Korea, assisting relief shipments from nongovernmental organizations. “I can only stick to what I see, and that’s already bad enough,” he said. “There remains long-term, pervasive need.”
There are better sources but we have here the NYT, LAT, State Dept., and religious. All would tend to be hostile to Kim and while they report malnutrition, they see nothing lurid. If anything the pain is shared. Regrets for the disorganized post.
Hal C.
This topic does sort of put all the others in the shade, doesn’t it? We worry about “peak oil” and “offshore drilling” and “workers rights” but at the same time we’re still living under a very fragile nuclear umbrella.
There are a bunch of points that all play against each other:
To those who say “global warming is the number one issue” or “civil rights is the number one issue” or “Iraq is the number one issue,” I say:
“No, the fact that there are still around 20,000 atomic bombs out there, ready to set off at a moments notice, and maybe half of them with big ‘for sale’ signs on them, is the number one issue.”
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/index.cfm
…Norad at Cheyenne Mountain. In fact, I’ve been inside the blast doors as a reporter. The place is designed to absorb a 5-megaton direct hit and keep operating. It’s doubtful any terrorist could acquire a weapon with such gigantic yield, and drive it through at least a thousand miles of the U.S. to reach that target. And if they did, it wouldn’t do them any good. Much easier with less risk of getting stopped and much more damage if they hit a port or coastal city. But, if they want to hit a military target, we have plenty on or near the coasts. One nuke at Camp Pendleton or Groton, Connecticut, for instance.
But, if they want to hit a military target, we have plenty on or near the coasts. One nuke at Camp Pendleton or Groton, Connecticut, for instance.
Or – thinking solely of California here – at the San Onofre or Diablo Canyon reactors, the Richmond, Long Beach, or Rodeo-Martinez oil refineries, the ports of Oakland or Long Beach (plenty of haz mat to spread around, not to mention loss of life and blow to the economy), and so forth.
The city of Richmond, where I lived on 9/11, has been more or less bankrupt for years. They’ve been begging for homeland security funds, without much success. The refineries and chemical plants butt up against the shore of San Francisco Bay, and some guy on a ChrisCraft with a small nuke could get right up to the Chevron Texaco refinery/oil intake dock area without any problem. They’re still waiting for help. I drive past the area several days a week on the Richmond-San Rafael bridge, and I can’t remember the last time I saw a Coast Guard boat or helicopter around.
Of course, the refineries and chemical plants in Richmond pose enough of a threat to local security even without a terrorist attack.
10 times the explosive yield of Hiroshima is around 150 to 200 kilotons of TNT. That’s not a “bunker” buster, that’s a city buster. Look here for a simulation of a 150 kiloton weapon detonated in a major city. This is on par with the warheads used on many ICBMs and Trident submarine-launched missiles. In fact, most of the Tridents’ older warheads are weaker.
…Concerned Scientists says:
However, some scientists say 100 kilotons would pack enough of a wallop to do the job, while others say even the 1.2 mt version wouldn’t penetrate the ground far enough to have the desired effect but could inflict gargantuan casualties on nearby civilian populations.
Under the old belief of the cold war we needed to stay equal in armaments to prevent an attack. But we were dealing with 2 super powers.
Now Bushco is pissing off everyone, the rhetoric is worse than anything even during the Cold War years. There are no nations controlling the weapons that haven’t been smeared by this administration. I unfortunately include our own nation…based on a congress with the guts to stand up to the megalomaniacs in the White House.
I voted for within the next ten years – but truly believe this administration will use a nuke in the next 2 years.
I’m living in the land of daisy petals right now, yes it will happen, no it won’t happen.
I voted for other simply because I’m not sure or am hoping bushco doesn’t get itchy fingers. However I do believe if anymore bush types get into office we will use nukes. My scenario is more along the lines of Iraq being Vietnam and going on for years/years and another bush type in office who simply decides to put a stop to the whole thing by blowing the whole place up.(the kill em all and let god sort em out strategy-as way to make even more friends)
That said I am worried about this bush/nukes and Iran and how the rest of the world would formally unite against us.
then they may very well be used by our 51st State
By Robert S. Norris, William Arkin, Hans M. Kristensen, and Joshua Handler
September/October 2002 pp. 73-75 (vol. 58, no. 05) © 2002 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
It is Israeli policy to neither confirm nor deny that it possesses nuclear weapons, although it is generally accepted by friend and foe alike that Israel has been a nuclear state for several decades. Its declaratory policy states: “Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East,” but its actual deployment and employment policies are secret. A January 2001 Pentagon report, Proliferation: Threat and Responses, omits Israel from its review of the Middle East, but a 1991 U.S. Strategic Air Command study lists Israel, India, and Pakistan as “de facto” nuclear weapon states. Estimates of the Israeli nuclear arsenal range from 75–200 weapons, comprising bombs, missile warheads, and possibly non-strategic (tactical) weapons.
[…]
In January 1994, Israel selected the Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle for its long-range strike and air-superiority roles. It is called the F-15I Ra’am (Thunder) in Israel. Initially, 21 planes were ordered, with a pricetag of just over $2 billion. In 1995, Israel bought four more. On January 19, 1998, the first two Ra’am planes landed in Hatzerim Airbase, flown by Boeing pilots. The plane has greater takeoff weight (36,750 kilograms) and range (4,450 kilometers) than other F-15 models. Its maximum speed at high altitude is Mach 2.5. The plane has been modified to use special radar with terrain-mapping capability and other navigation and guidance systems. The Ra’am can carry 4.5 tons of fuel in its internal, conformal, and detachable tanks, as well as 11 tons of munitions. The last of 25 F-15s were delivered to the Israeli Air Force before May 1999. The F-15Is are assigned to Squadron 69 (Hammers Squadron) at Hatzerim. In the U.S. Air Force, the F-15E Strike Eagle has a nuclear role. Whether the Israeli Air Force has provided nuclear capability to this high-performance plane is unknown.
[…]
In 1988, Israel began launching several Ofek satellites into orbit atop Shavit (Comet) three-stage rockets, which are derived from the Jericho II missile. The first satellite weighed about 180 kilograms; the most recent, the Ofek 5, about 300 kilograms. The satellites monitor activities in hostile states and provide intelligence. The Shavit could be converted into a long-range ballistic missile, with a range of up to 7,000 kilometers, depending on the weight of the warhead.
Missiles are test launched from the Palmikhim Airbase north of Tel Aviv. In April 2000, Israel test-launched a Jericho missile into the Mediterranean Sea, without informing the United States in advance. The missile impacted near a U.S. warship, which reportedly thought it was under attack.
In June 2002, former Pentagon and State Department officials told the Washington Post that Israel was arming three diesel-powered submarines with cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
Israel contracted with German companies Thyssen Nordseewerke in Emden and Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft in Kiel to build the submarines for the Israeli Defense Forces/Navy (IDF/N). Designated the Dolphin-class, they are 57.3 meters long, displace 1,900 tons, can reach a speed of 20 knots, and have a crew of 35 men each. The first submarine, the Dolphin, arrived in Haifa on July 27, 1999. The Leviathan joined the fleet before the end of 1999, and the third boat, the Tekumah, was delivered in July 2000. The cost of each submarine is estimated at $300 million. Each submarine has 10 21-inch tubes capable of launching torpedoes, mines, or cruise missiles.
A senior Israeli defense official confirmed that Dolphin-class subs carry modified U.S. Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Making them nuclear-capable would require an Israeli-developed nuclear warhead and guidance kit for land-attack targets. It is unknown whether the missiles have that modification. (I’d note that one might wander just WHAT the implicated AIPAC spies were getting from their friends in the Pentagon) In March 2000, the United States rejected Israel’s request for 12 long-range BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles. The Tomahawk sea-launched cruise missile exists in a nuclear-tipped version for delivery by U.S. attack subs.
Non-strategic weapons. Some reports indicate that Israel has developed nuclear artillery shells and possibly nuclear mines, which may be stored at the Eilabun facility, west of the Sea of Galilee. A March 2000 report stated that Israel planned to lay nuclear landmines to deter a Syrian attack after withdrawing from the Golan Heights. In response, Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh said, “This report is truly stupid. The person that wrote it not only doesn’t know, but also doesn’t understand anything.”
From a report by the Bulletin of Concerned Scientists in 2002. They are a vital resource whenever you’re looking for information about these issues. There is a chilling look in the current issue at what the aftermath of a low-yield earth penetrator here
I had just finished skimming the Executive Summary and Recommendations when I found this excellent diary. It is vital that we face what is built and contemplated by our government in our names with our tax dollars.
Jeez, for a while it seemed like this issue had gone away. That was nice, if still delusionsal.
No more.
We’re periodically reminded, like now, that there are people who still attempt to conduct rational analysis on a fundamentally irrational phenomenon.
Louis Menand’s review of Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi’s “The Worlds of Herman Kahn” in the current New Yorker is another good reminder of how this gets played out among the persistently delusional, just as John McPhee’s ‘The Curve of Binding Energy’ shows us how a thoughtful man who spent the bulk of his professional life miniaturizing nukes can turn towards understanding the fundamental flaw behind his initial motivations.
Too many folks will still try to consider nukes nothing more than the source of really fucking big explosions; or, worse, as the source of our salvation – the final solution indeed.
Menand’s piece closes, not with a comment on the technology, but on our collective lack of imagination:
It’s at times like these that I find my sig well-chosen…