The Taliban apparently shot down a Chinook helicopter killing all 17 aboard. Hostile Fire May Have Downed U.S. Copter.
If confirmed, Tuesday’s attack would apparently be the first time a U.S.-led coalition aircraft here has been downed by hostile fire, representing a major new threat to the coalition. The U.S.-backed mujahedeen war against Soviet occupiers in Afghanistan in the 1980s finally turned when the Afghan fighters acquired the ability to shoot down Soviet aircraft.
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Concerns already have been on the rise that rebel attacks here have been escalating into a conflict on the scale of that in Iraq.More than 660 people have been killed in Afghanistan since March — including 465 suspected insurgents, 29 U.S. troops, 43 Afghan police and soldiers, and 125 civilians — a level unprecedented since the ouster of the Taliban in 2001.
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The violence has left much of desperately poor Afghanistan off-limits to aid workers.Afghan and U.S. officials have predicted that the situation will deteriorate in the lead-up to legislative elections in September — the next key step toward democracy after a quarter-century of war.
That is bad enough but it is this Chicago Tribune story that really bodes ill:
Shayesta Khan should not have been killed. He was about 75, a village elder with a long white beard and a white cap, a peacemaker who settled local squabbles. He said he liked the Americans and once helped U.S. troops search a villager’s home for weapons.
Khan never expected U.S. soldiers to show up at his house in the middle of the night. When they did, bursting into his family compound on May 17, Khan was asleep. By the time the soldiers left, Khan was dead, shot in his pajamas in his bedroom.
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Such errors have happened before–homes have been bombed by mistake, innocent people have been caught in crossfire. But Khan’s death is different.He was an old man shot in his bedroom, and despite an informant’s tip, no bombmaking material was found in the family compound. His death prompted the Afghan government to pay Khan’s family about $4,000 and make a rare public criticism of U.S. troops. It also has highlighted the increasing tension between Afghans and Americans in some parts of the country.
Afghan officials worry insurgents could use the death to recruit followers or turn people against the U.S.-led coalition.
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The family said the soldiers arrived after midnight, breaking open a side door, where steps lead to an open area outside Khan’s bedroom. In the confusion, family members heard shouts and then gunshots.Khan’s sons said he was trying to light the lantern above his bed when he was shot. Intelligence official Esmati, who has investigated the case, said he believes Khan was trying to grab a shirt. The bullets hit just above Khan’s bed and the door. They appear to have been fired from outside, through the windows.
Afghan officials who saw the body said Khan was shot several times, on the left side of his head and body. Azimi, the defense spokesman, said Khan was innocent.
“Someone should be put on trial for this,” he said. “He was just an old man, lying down in his bed. This was not just a mistake. He was not running away.” Emphasis added.
We failed to finish the job in Afghanistan because of Bush’s urgent desire to invade Iraq. NATO had offered to put up to 60,000 troops into the country (this is following the successful invasion) and was rebuffed by the Administration. The Stabilization force they did allow was, and is, restricted to Kabul. OBL was allowed to get away. Tensions are rising between Afghanistan and Pakistan. And now we are killing respected elders in their beds and our birds are being shot out of the sky.
Bush did not just break the prime rule “Never get involved in a land war in Asia” once. He did it twice.
It is a real heartbreaker because if we had done Afghanistan right and deferred Iraq until it could be done legally and properly, America and Americans would be a lot more popular around the world right now.
for this”
Yup. Bush and the rest of the criminally irresponsible gang in this Administration.
Do read the Chicago Tribune story. The military is describing it as an “unfortunate incident”.
So many of those…so very many.
Thanks for this diary, Athenian, I was just podering the state of Afghanistan this morning…funny how there was no metions whatsoever of that country last night. Freedom spreading everywhere, ah-yup, ah-yup.
I REALLY feel for our soldiers over there (well, the ones who aren’t killing old men in their beds anyway…), not only has absolutely NO ONE got their backs, but they aren’t even worth talking about.
I chose explode in the poll, because the mess we’ve created there is already spilling over into Pakistan….it’s all spiralling out of control.
I feel exactly as you do..and voted the say way. It is gong to get very bad there and all over if something soon is not done. The whole ME is going to go to hell very soon…
One of the real nightmare scenarios is for the Taliban to win in Pakistan.
If you look at a map it seems clear that the aim of the two military interventions is to put pressure on Iran, and to enable the US to control the two most energy-rich and strategic parts of the world, the Middle East and Central Asia. However, it Pakistan goes, it is the US who will be outflanked and placed in an untenable position.
Even at this kind of strategic thinking the Administration is hopelessly incompetent.
when I read the transcript of Oh great leaders speech that there indeed was no mention of Afghanistan, nor the American troops stationed there. Oh great leader must assume, you know make and ass of u and me, that that war is now won and all we need do is stay the course.
It’s a very sad statement on my part, but the idea that anyone is indignant and believes there should be punishment was kind of encouraging. I haven’t followed news from Afghanistan, and had assumed that defeated acceptance and apathy would have set in by now.
On a side note – does anyone know if troops who have served in Iraq are being rotated back into Afghanistan? It seems like common sense that that should be avoided at all costs, but… what evidence is there of common sense in any of it?
where “nation-building” might have worked, Afghanistan might have been it. Devastated, desperately poor, most of the population sick to death of both warlords and the Taliban. If we had taken a “peace corps” like approach after the Taliban was routed, instead of a “kick raghead butt” approach, if we had spent a fraction of the money and resources in Afghanistan that have been wasted and worse than wasted in Iraq . . . .
We’ll never know now, what opportunities were missed. Instead it will be generations before such a chance will come again in the Middle East.
before 9/11.
In April 2001 at the EU conference in Strasbourg, Ahmed Masood, respected leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, asked for assistance. He did not want weapons or military presence, he wanted the US to take an interest in the Taleban oppression of Afghanistan and prophesied that the US ignores Afghanistan at its peril. Masood wanted the US to intervene in Pakistan’s support of the Taleban claiming that the Taleban would not last without the men, weapons, and money flowing in from Pakistan. (The Taleban originated in Pakistan as body guards and imposed themselves on the war ravaged Afghanistan. Many Afghanis saw them as bringing order to the chronic chaos in their country but they got more “order” than they bargained for with these butchers.)
GWB ignored him. Massood was assassinated days before 9/11 as part of the plot. Four Algerians have been convicted recently for aiding and abetting the assassination.
So more than ignoring the high alert warnings from his own security system and his own PDBs Bush also ignored al Qaeda’s operations in Afghanistan despite pleas from the leader of the Northern Alliance.
Ahmed Shah Masood
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Excerpts from my diary published @dKos in December 2004.
Afghanistan pre-911 attack on the USA
by creve coeur ◊ Fri Dec 17th, 2004
Prelude to 9/11 attack on United States – a plan by Russia, Iran and India to strike Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Massoud connection in Panjsher valley is important to India and Kashmir.
Western Analysts View Trip Favorably, See Challenges Ahead and a Possible Visit to the US
AAR News Analysis By Omar Samad
WASHINGTON, April 16, 2001 – Ahmad Shah Massoud, the military leader of the United Front alliance opposing the Taliban, says he had “second thoughts” about heading a high-powered delegation to the West two weeks ago, but today, as he returns to Afghanistan, he is satisfied about the outcome of his maiden visit to Europe.
He called it a “turning point in the struggle against the Taliban,” and their foreign backers, and a “new season in the quest for durable peace,” in his embattled country. Western analysts gave him credit for “pulling off quite a coup” in Europe by “enhancing his stature as a political leader,” but cautioned that aside from the military and political obstacles that Massoud faces inside Afghanistan, it is not yet clear to what extent the warm reception will actually translate into real support for an uphill battle against a growing network of terrorists and fanatics backed by powerful Pakistani and Arab extremist lobbies.
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[National Geographic Adventure]
The Perfect Storm author spent a month with anti-Taliban warrior Ahmad Shah Massoud in 2000. Now he offers his reaction to the recent murder of the Northern Alliance leader–and the subsequent attacks on the U.S.
In November 2000 Adventure sent contributing editor Sebastian Junger and photojournalist Reza to profile Afghan resistance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud. The resulting article appeared in our March/April 2001 issue and has just been reprinted in Fire, a collection of Junger’s journalistic work.
On September 9, 2001, suicide bombers killed Massoud. Two days later the U.S. was under attack. Here Junger offers his thoughts on those two days of terror and their implications.
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I saw that documentary.
“Reza and I sat at his kitchen table with a bottle of wine. Someone had sent him an e-mail that day that said, “You must be a happy man to have met Ahmad Shah Massoud.” And in fact we knew we’d been incredibly fortunate to have met him.”
I only knew him from reading about him and from watching the documentary and I was devastated when he was killed. He held out so much hope for Afghanistan.
Thanks Oui for this memorial.
the first crash
US forces flying missions above Afghanistan’s difficult, rugged terrain have suffered nine helicopter crashes since the end of 2001, including Tuesday’s, but this is the first attributed to enemy fire.
Seven previous crashes before the April accident had claimed 21 lives.
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You’d never know it from the media coverage, but the American death toll in Afghanistan has also been steadily rising. Yesterday’s crash will bring the 2005 to-date total of U.S. fatalities to 58. That isup from 52 in all of 2004; 47 in all of 2003; and 43 in all of 2002. Here is the how the average deaths per month are trending:
2005 to date: 9.7
I think Afghanistan’s going to explode for two reasons:
The local commander called this in to a Pak paper by satellite phone. Hal C.
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Taliban down US ’copter; 35 troops killed
By Rahimullah Yusufzai
PESHAWAR: The Taliban claimed shooting down a US military’s Chinook helicopter and killing all 35 soldiers on board in Kunar province in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday afternoon.
The Taliban also claimed killing another seven US soldiers in the same area in Kunar two hours before downing the helicopter. Mulla Mohammad Ismail, a pro-Taliban military commander in Kunar, told The News that 42 US soldiers were killed in two attacks in Shorek Darra in Kunar’s Manogay district.
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According to Mulla Ismail, the first incident took place at 2pm when Taliban intercepted and killed seven US soldiers who had been dropped by a helicopter in the Shorek Darra area in Manogay district.
He believed the American soldiers were on a spying mission as they were taking pictures and carried different instruments to perform their job. “Taliban fighters took away their binoculars and other belongings. They also made a film of the fallen soldiers. We would, Inshallah, show it on the world media,” he explained.
Mulla Ismail claimed that Taliban fighters later shot down a US helicopter that brought troops to Shorek Darra to reinforce the American forces and avenge the death of the seven US soldiers in the earlier attack. He said the Taliban brought down the Chinook at 4pm killing 35 soldiers. “The helicopter caught fire after being hit by rockets fired by the Taliban. None on board survived,” he said.
Mulla Ismail said none from among his men was harmed in the two military operations and later in the US bombing of the area. “The action took place in a jungle, which provided cover to Taliban. The US jet fighters and helicopters are still scrambling over the area and some bombing has already taken place,” he added.
Though Mulla Ismail is a former Taliban commander, he has set up a group of fighters named after Bira’a bin Malik, a companion of Holy Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him).
He told The News in a recent interview on his satellite phone that he was loyal to Taliban leader Mulla Mohammad Omar and even now considered him Amirul Momineen (Commander of the Faithful). However, he said he favoured revival of Khilafat (Caliphate) under which the Muslim Ummah could unify and prosper. He didn’t explain his differences with the Taliban but it was clear he was keen to distance himself from some Taliban leaders.
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~ Cross-posted from another diary ~
Just a few months ago a passenger flight coming into Bagram airport crashed within 15 miles of destination. The mountains and terrain are so rugged, it took more than 36 hours to locate the crash site. Compared to area where Chinook went down, the mountains near Kabul are a local outdoors national park!
Kabul – Feb 6, 2005 — The wreckage of an Afghan passenger plane missing since Thursday was found today (Saturday) in mountains 20 kilometers east of the capital, and NATO and Afghan officials say all 104 people on board appear to have died. Airline officials say there were 23 foreign nationals aboard the aircraft, including nine Turks and six Americans. Four Russian crew members were also on board.
Afghan Transport Minister Enayatullah Qasemi told the Associated Press the cause of the crash remains unknown.
Reuters news agency reports that the wreckage has been found near the capital, Kabul. There were 96 passengers and eight crew members on the Kam Air Boeing 737 that went missing on its flight from from Herat to Kabul, after it was turned away from the capital’s airport because of a severe snow storm. Officials say the pilot had contacted an airport in neighbouring Pakistan for permission to land, then was not heard from again.
NATO-led peace keepers led a ground and air search for the missing jet when there were no reported sightings or recorded landings in Afghanistan or neighbouring countries.
ISAF Operation at KAMAIR plane crash site
[It were the Dutch helicopter crews from NATO-ISAF who located the wreckage]
The American viewer has lost track of what’s happening in Afghanistan, I tried to follow some news items and have written several diaries on Afghanistan. The US Special Forces have been strengthened by allies, included are 300 men and women from The Netherlands. These troops are operating under US Command and are completely separate from the NATO and ISAF Forces stationed near Kabul.
The fate of those on board the helicopter, which crashed near Asadabad in Kunar province, was not immediately known, the military said. A statement said the cause of the crash was unclear, as was the number of people on board. Other helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft were deployed to the site, the military said. U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Jerry O’Hara had no other details.
Provincial Gov. Asadullah Wafa told The Associated Press that the Taliban downed the aircraft with a rocket. He gave no other details. Purported Taliban spokesman Mullah Latif Hakimi called the AP before news of the crash was released and claimed that the rebels shot the helicopter down.
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And why, you may ask, did this happen?
Because the good old U.S. of A. armed the mujahadeen, who were fighting the nasty old Soviets as our proxy army. And I suspect there’s a really good chance, what with shifting allegiances and so on, that some of those American armaments are being used in Afghanistan once again.
I am of the minority opinion that we never should have attacked Afghanistan, that there were ways to get at the stated objective of revenge on terra-ists without trashing the innocent citizenry. And, yes, the Taliban were/are not nice fellows, but their rise to power came at least in part because of what passes for foreign policy in this country.
But, of course, Dim Son had to have his cowboy glory moment. <sigh>
I am one of those with the same minority opinion — I couldn’t believe our reaction to the Towers coming down was “bomb them back into the stone age!!” I still have a picture of several Afghani women and children refugees walking along a dusty road after one our “oh-so-surgical” bombingsin the fall of ’01 that I hung beside a picture of my son (only had the one then) in my office (had an office job then) and would looka t it every day and think. When the hell will we ever learn. I still hope beyond hope that those women and children are ok.
The US is going to make certain Afghanistan remains unstable and in need of lots of external help, most specifically military help that will require a “permanent” US military presence.
Karzai is already feeling the pressure of US extortion; the “Agree to let us establish a permanent, autonomous military presence here, complete with it’s own infrastructure under exclusive US control, and we’ll make sure you get more money so you can remain ‘King of Kabul’.”
Just like in Iraq, the Bush regime has no intention of leaving Afghanistan either; hence, no exit strategy.
Even though Afghanistan is bereft of the key resources so essential to the running of the world, it’s geography makes it extremely valuable strategically in a situation where the conflict currently focused in Iraq eventually is spread throughout the region. When the US starts screwing around with Iran, when the disputes over various proposed routes for natural gas pipelines heat up and create more tension, Afghanistan will become quite important indeed, and this is why the US is trying to establish entrenched control there now. This is also why they need to let the tribal warlords and opium kings there remain powerful in their fiefdoms. These ruthless characters can keep rudimentary order in the provinces, and they can be easily bought and paid for with ease, without needing to bother with the messy details of proper diplomacy.
Afghanistan will be seen by historians 50 years from now as a crime scene every bit as tragic as the one the Bush regime is creating in Iraq.
Hey W, see rock? See hardplace? Welcome to your legacy.
Putting forth the notion that we could have “finished” this job in Afghanistan is….well, I’m sorry…a fantasy. It is the same everywhere in the Muslim world, or any world we choose to invade in order to subjugate a people. They will fight us, and they will attract others from other countries to fight us. There is no “winning” this war any more than the Soviets could “win” it.
in Afghanistan. There was a window of opportunity, right after the Taliban were scattered. If we had accepted NATO’s offer of a vast force there was a real chance to change Afghanistan forever. Remember, these were the days when the entire world was with us. The Afghan people were genuinely happy to be free of the Taliban and hoping for help and peace.
Sixty thousand NATO troops, patrolling the entire country, would have made a difference. When BushCo rejected this offer it became clear that they had other things in mind.
This was a criminal act of the first order. Even if such an effort had NOT worked but HAD been sincere, the effect on Muslim hearts and minds would have been immense.
Now, of course, we are associated not with an incredibly successful invasion but with torture and the incarceration and killing of innocents.
Afghanistan could have been a success. It is now obvious that this Administration destroys whatever it touches and could not organize a successful piss-up in a brewery.
There were a couple of important news articles recently that make very clear how far the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated.
The Scotsman reports that Britain is planning to send thousands of additional troops into the country:
Al-Qaeda is making a comeback there:
bloodshed to the country.
So is the Taliban, according to the NY Times:
Violence has increased sharply in recent months, with a resurgent Taliban movement mounting daily attacks in southern Afghanistan, gangs kidnapping foreigners here in the capital and radical Islamists orchestrating violent demonstrations against the government and foreign-financed organizations.
. . . Afghans voiced concern that things were not improving, and that the Taliban and other dangerous players were gaining strength.
. . . The Taliban’s spring offensive has sounded an alarm for the United States military and the Karzai government, both of which had said that the Taliban were largely defeated and that the nation was consolidating behind its first elected national leader.
“We were wrong,” a senior Afghan government official acknowledged, saying of the Taliban, “It seems they were spending the time preparing.” He insisted on anonymity because of the delicacy of the subject within the government.
And the population at large is growing increasingly unhappy with both the often heavy-handed U.S. presence and the failure of its own government to provide basic order and improvement in living standards:
“Three years on, the people are still hoping that things are going to work out, but they have become suspicious about why the Americans came, and why the Americans are treating the local people badly,” said Jandad Spinghar, leader of the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission in Nangarhar Province in the east, just across the Khyber Pass from Pakistan.
Poverty, joblessness, frustrated expectations and the culture of 25 years of war make for a volatile mix in which American military raids, shootings and imprisonments can inflame public opinion, many here say.
“Generally people are not against the Americans,” Mr. Spinghar said. “But in areas where there are no human rights, where they do not have good relations and where there is bad treatment of villagers or prisoners, this will hand a free area to the Taliban. It’s very important that the Americans understand how the Afghan people feel.”
Nothing better illustrates the abject failure of Bush and his cronies to deal effectively with the real terrorism threat than what is happening now in Afghanistan. A genuine opportunity to show the Muslim world the positive face of U.S. power (you know, the one that the Neocons and their “non-peacenik” Democrat fellow-travelers keep telling us about, while managing never actually to walk the walk) through a coordinated economic, diplomatic, and military effort to reconstruct Afghanistan, while bringing those truly responsible for 9/11 to justice, is being (has been?) irretrievably lost.
Instead, the people responsible for the attacks on the United States are operating with virtual impunity, and regaining ground by the day, while we sink deeper into a dual quagmire of our own making.
(Sorry if this appears twice; my first shot at this post seems to have gotten lost somewhere)