South Florida Sun Sentinal has an interesting column.

VFW vets in a red state don’t give Bush the time of day!  I remember a diary a few days ago by Cold Fusion who wrote about a Bushie friend that turned.  Comments made there were enthusiastic about wing-nuts turning one-by-one (or two-by-two, heh).  Now it’s your average vet.

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About 30 people were around the bar drinking, chatting, smoking as the president talked. “Does it have to be so loud?” asked Barbara Flint as she sat next to Jerry Giblock, a visiting Vietnam veteran.

“Does it have to be so loud”????  At a VFW while the President speaks?  Dominos!  Yes, key supporters of Bat-Shit Loopy are ignoring him!  more:

“He’s running scared,” said Giblock, 63, a former Post 2500 member who lives in Anchorage, Ala. “His poll numbers are so low, he’s got to say something, but the support is gone. It’s gone. I don’t think there’s anybody in here who’s behind him.”

Now, if you’re the president and vet’s are saying this about you…your shit is weak!

From Bob Artman, 79, a World War II veteran: “I got a bad taste in my mouth. Every time I read about a guy getting killed, I tear up. I didn’t feel this way at the beginning, but now I just don’t see an end to it.”

 From Ted Anderson, 73, a Korean War veteran and former police chief in New Jersey: “We still have thousands of troops in the [demilitarized zone] in Korea 50 years after the fact. It’s going to be the same thing 50 years from now in Iraq.”

The greatest generation and the forgotten war guys see the folly of Iraq.  These were guys (and gals) who were Dubya’s base for a strong national defense.  They don’t sound so supportive now, but to me a more patriotic.

Said Artman: “I’m a registered Democrat, but even people in his party are now questioning things. They don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. … So many people in this country need things: People are starving, people need health care and medicine. But here we are taking care of people all over the world. How about starting at home?”

 Howard Fay, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, ladled meatballs in the kitchen.

 “I don’t like this war at all,” he said. “Saddam wasn’t doing anything to us. The one we should have been going after with everything is Osama bin Laden.”

 Bush invoked bin Laden and Sept. 11 in his speech, stressing the non-Iraqi “terrorists” who have congregated in Iraq to make the country “a central front in the war on terror.”

 Said Anderson, who spent nine years in the Navy and Marines: “They just play up on the fear. It used to be the domino theory and stopping communism. There was a picture, The Russians Are Coming, The Russians are Coming. Now it’s `The Terrorists are Coming, The Terrorists are Coming.’ After 9-11, I think we overreacted a little bit. We’re not using our heads.”

 These veterans know war is never simple or easy, and they say this president, who never saw combat, overlooked these things in his rush to invade Iraq and install democracy.

 “I have no respect for this president,” said Bud Lynch of Hallandale, a Korean War veteran. “He’s just trying to finish Daddy’s job. That’s all this was about. There was no nuclear [expletive] or WMDs to begin with … If it were my son who was being sent over there, I wouldn’t let him go.”

Wow, when the guy spooning out meatballs in the VFW kitchen is pissed (take it from me, I know) you really need to think of resigning.  Note red, white, and blue vets are saying that they wouldn’t let their kids go to Iraq.

Said Nessl: “These people have no idea what war is like.”

 Said Anderson: “Korea turned out to be B.S., Vietnam was B.S., and Iraq is B.S. It’s all political. All these people are dying in vain … I was in for nine years, so don’t go waving a flag in my face and say I’m not being patriotic.”

 Bush heard applause as he finished at Fort Bragg, but there wasn’t a ripple at Post 2500.

 “I go to a VA Hospital in Anchorage for my medicine and I’m seeing a lot of new people in there every time,” said Giblock. “We have an Army base and an Air Force base nearby, and they’re getting MedVac’ed back in [from Iraq] all the time.

 “I’m seeing people in wheelchairs, people missing limbs, people with burns. That’s the part they don’t show on the news.”

This is it.  The vets “get it”.  “Don’t wave a flag in my face and tell me that I’m not patriotic”, wow!  I am impressed because, as a vet myself, I know these types of folks.  They’re really good people but what is common in the VFW is the amount of kool-aid served.  It looks like the kool-aid is running out of surger!  These are normal folks like Cold Fusion’s friend.  I am posting this because I think this is an important indicator of Grand Poobah’s eroding support from some of the most diehard supporters.


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