Okay, so since I am a teacher, people will think this is self-serving. Actually, I offer this diary not because of my own-situation: I am well-paid by national standards, and because (a) I bought my home well befoe I became a teacher; (b) my wife is a GS-13 at Library of Congress, our financial situation is not as dire as that of many teachers.
For many teachers, however, the financial situation is not as comfortable, as is shown in a piece entitled Let’s Enact No teachers left Behind (in salaries), which appeared in the July 2 Long Beach (CA) Press-Telegram, and which has also appeared elsewhere. If you are concerned about the quality of public school teachers, you also need to be aware of their financial realities. I will offer some selections below, but as always I encourage you to read the entire piece.
Here’s the opening paragraoh:
The authors offer a statistic that says it all:
The article gives many examples of the kinds of work. They talk with one man who works selling electronics at a Circuit City during the year, and this summer does that and runs a dlivery business. At the store
Earlier the article had talked about encountering people like AP Bio teachers working as travel agents or English teachers painting houses. Then one reads this:
Something of the reality of teacher salaries:
Here I note that I work in an expensive area, I am paid on a Masters + 60 credits schedule (which few districts have), I have 10 years experience plus credit on the salary level for several years of military service. I make a bit more than the cited beginning salary in other fields for those with Masters degrees. Even so, after 10 years of teaching, I am still making less than I earned in 1994 when I left my civil servant position in data processing in local government, a job which paid about 10% less than I would have made in the private sector. That is, after 10 years, with two masters degrees and most of a doctorate, I still make less than I did in a job which did not require a masters, and for which a bachelor’s degree was desirable but not necessary.
The article goes on to note that while NCLB requires highly qualified teachers for all students, it really does not provide the resources to help increase teachers’ earning potential. It then offers the following:
This represents a major part of the crisis in education: hiring and retaining qualified and dedicated teachers. Not only is the pay low, but so much of what teachers are increasingly required to do is preparation for standardized tests whose results are used punitively. That is not teaching. And consider the following:
The authors note that we place demands beyond those of increasing “academic performance, and that this leads to real and darkly humorous problems:
After asking that of them, we pay them so little that they have to find work selling electronics and cleaning our houses. Is it any surprise that 45 percent of new teachers leave our schools within the first five years?
The authors talk about how increasing teacher salaries can make a difference, They give an example from Montana.
In years past, a vacancy in the Helena school system would attract perhaps a dozen, mostly underqualified applicants. Last summer, Randy Carlson, principal of Capital High School, needed three new social studies teachers. He got to choose from a pool of more than a hundred candidates.
The authors suggest that using bonds to increase teacher salaries is at least as justified as using bonds to build a sports stadium. Now, while long-term debt for ongoing expnses such as salaries might not seem to make sense, the authors argue
They also argue that the increased salaries would attract and retain better teachers, which in the long run would benefit everyone.
I offer this article as a “think piece.” Most of the teachers I know are not driven primarily by money, but many I know who leave the profession do so because of financial pressures. They want to have a decent — not extravagant – standard of living. If you remember what I said about my salary, I should point out that the average single family home in Arlington VA where I now live is well over $500,000. Even in Greenbelt MD, where I teach, it is around $260,000. I know about second jobs — I have done SAT prep, and I coach. I know that often the 2nd jobs can be far more remunerative: one fellow teacher used to work every Friday and Saturday Night at one of the fanciest restaurants in DC as a waiter. In those two nights he made more than he did as a teacher with a Masters degree in the Arlington schools, whose pay is about the highest in the DC metro area. I know teachers who paint houses, who work in stores (primarily for the employee discount). When it is necessary to do this during the year, something has to give. Either one takes away time from the preparation for working with your students, takes away time from your family and your partipation in the world away from school, or both.
And at some point for many teachers it becomes too much. So they leave.
I am now 59. I came to teaching late. We do not have children, so we do not face the future expenses of college. My parents are dead, so I have no burden there. My wife’s parents have enough resources that we should not have to shoulder support responsibilities for them. And as noted, my wife makes a decent living from her job. Thus we are financially far better off than perhaps 90% of those households containing public school teachers. I can afford to stay in the classroom.
Were I 24-25 years old, and wanting to start a family, I’m not sure I could withstand the financial pressures teaching places upon one’s life. Thus I choose to speak out about thjis issue precisely because I am speaking on behalf of others. I am also speaking for the future of public education in this nation.
Money will not solve our educational problems. But lack of money will prevent solutions. It is a little discouraging to think that people are willing to devote resources that wind up as corporate profits for testing companies and for -profit entities running “charter” schools because “test scors” are low, but will not provide the same resources to improve the quality of teaching.
If we do not improve the financial conditions for teachers, we will continue to lose good teachers and be unable to hire others who would be good teachers. Of equal importance, far too many who are willing to remain in the classroom will not be able to give it all the attention and energy it deserves, because they will have to take on the second job during the year, the job during the summer.
I hope this diary has some value to those who read it, and I hope that number is huge.
My husband makes less than 50k after 8 years of teaching and 2 masters degrees. He’s working 2 jobs this summer- tutoring at the community college and working at a store.
I was teaching at a private elementary, teaching 3 grades in a Montessori classroom for the grand sum of 21k. If I needed materials for the classroom it came out of my money. I’m at home now with my daughter, and we figure that with all the expenses of working gone we’re about the same.
Thank you for this diary. This really needs to get out there.
well, it’s been on the recommended list at dailykos for over 2 hours, so it is getting out there at least a bit
you can, if a member, always recommend it over there
I was a member, but was asked to leave. Glad you have it on the list though.
and it is still there, going on and off recommended list, with well ove 200 comments now.
That’s why I haven’t been over here. I had gone to a suprise 50th anniversary party for some friends, and when we got back there were an additional 90 comments and a front page statuts with which I had to deal.
Glad it made it so far! This does deserve notice. Well done.
One thing we’re seeing here is the rush to get rid of teachers with more years in and higher pay to replace them with younger teachers who will take less. It’s harsh and wrong. I don’t teach but have family members that do and one is getting out, not so much for salary reasons as the higher stress levels with NCLB.
There is a relatively simple cost-reduction mechanism that would allow offsets to go towards increasing salaries: “federalize” teaching. Create a modified State Employee classification for the purpose. Negotiate a single statewide “Master Agreement”, with geographical cost of living adjustments. It ain’t rocket science.
OTOH, maybe there’s just too many of those big fish in too many small ponds to make it work.
You federalize anything you give the Feds control. Forgive the Mao reference but I am a firm believer in letting a thousand flowers bloom. There should NOT be one way of doing schooling, and when you get the Feds involved, that’s towards what you would be moving.
I might note that such would be anathema to as many on the right as on the left. it would never happen.
Miscommunication. In quotes to indicate making teachers State employees under a statewide master agreement. In California law, as in most basic labor statutes, the right is to “collectively bargain for wages, hours, and working conditions”.
No usurpation of local school board/union control over issues specific to each district. However, eliminating the tedious and contentious negotiation process over basic wages, hours, and benefit packages would serve the interests of all concerned.
I fail to see how continuing an outdated, unfair, and totally ludicrous process of over 1500 annual negotiations for such basics becomes “anathema” to the parties concerned.
you presume that basic level would be set at something reasonable. In fact the opposite could easily occur.
There is one state-wide system — it is Hawaii. It also has one of the worst pay rates compared to cost of living in the US
My point remains the same: the system of negotiation is dependent on too many variables within parochial sub-systems of State ed. Hawaii teachers have suffered, but that is more a function of their available funds, and rampant property appreciation, than any other factor.
The funding comes from the same budget bill for education. The system has served private sector unions well, and I suspect teachers – once educated to the process – would embrace Statewide master agreements. The only people to lose would likely be those in districts with higher salaries.
What’s wrong with leveling the playing field?
I read the comment thread over at dKos but didn’t add my own — there seems to be a contingent of “teachers are whiny and should leave the profession if it sucks so much” — can’t deal with that.
We could pay all of our teachers more, from EC to post-secondary, if we just stopped the administrative waste that goes on, not only on adminstrators salaries but the massive givae-aways in education monies to “outside consultants”, publishing and testing companies, etc.
but as to the whiny people — bringing them out gives me a chance to take apart their reasoning — that givs exposure to a different kind of thinking, and provides the opportunity to began changing the frame of the discussion, a few people at a time. That is why I am delighted that Armando front-paged it to keep it visible.
You are a true teacher in every sense of the word! Normally, I would be right there by you doing the same, but these days, I have to be careful where I spend my energies, they get sapped so much more easily. I really admire all that you do — I’d just rather talk with you here — seems more productive, somehow, but that’s probably just me!
Thanks!
we were told that teachers are “out of control” statewide becaue, in one district, they are resisting a hike in their contribution to their health insurance. Why? Because they previously bargained away a hike in pay for that benefit; sacrificing the employer contribution would come with no hike in pay to compensate for that.
Wisconsinites, be warned: We were told that, on a tv talk show, by the wife of the Repug candidate for state attorney general, Bucher.
She’s a journalism teacher herself, in the UW — so this week, she and we saw an eleventh-hour agreement to balance the budget by taking away part of the state’s contribution to UW teachers’ pension plan, making them pay part of it themselves. (And that isn’t compensating anything bargained away, since it’s against state law for UW teachers — unlike any other employment group in the state — to conduct collective bargaining.)
But then, the Bucher children are in private school.:-) Be warned, Wisconsin teachers and voters. . . .
“But teachers’ salaries are well below what similarly educated professionals expect.”
IMO it is difficult to compare teachers with other types of professionals. We often are comparing the public sector educator with the private professional. There are similarities but also so many differences. For one thing, teachers are working how many days of the year? 185? 190? Salaries would be closer to other professionals if the number of working days was increased.
(Suggesting year round school to teachers I know is most often met with groans!)
The private professional is providing a product or service. To be successful, with success being defined here as earning enough money to keep the doors open, the private professional must compete with all the others doing the same thing.
I can choose my doctor or lawyer or computer specialist, but I can not choose which teacher my child will have.
It is often noted that many have had a teacher in their lives who made a positive difference. But these same folks could name many teachers who were less than stellar. And some have had experiences with teachers that were quite harmful. I wonder sometimes if the lack of support for schools and teachers is a reflection of those whose experiences in the “education system” was horrible.
But the value of “good” teachers gets lost with these comparisons of salaries. “The average salary for a teacher in 2003 was $45,771.”
In my community this is a dang good salary! I am in a manufacturing area that has lost well-paying jobs over the past few years. We look to the coming Wal-mart for jobs. All kinds of people are struggling to cobble together enough income to afford housing. As with many areas of the country, we have rental shortages and skyrocketing housing prices. If teachers can’t afford to live in the communities in which they teach, how can those who work in low paying service jobs live there? The answer is, of course, they don’t. So our communities become less and less diverse and more and more divided.
There is much fury each year over the school budget with much resentment over teachers’ salaries and benefits. (BTW, I would love to see the military budget go through the local school board’s review and approval process, with taxes paid directly by each community!) The income comparisons are also made, but they sound like: Why should teachers get paid so much? Or have so many benefits? They have holidays off and summers too!
Now, please understand I am not bashing teachers. I believe public education is one of the most important services a government must provide. I despair when I read about the local school board “saving money.” Schools, IMO, should be central to a community, supported unstintingly.
But how much can a community afford? What are the demographics? The per capita income for my county (Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis in the U.S. Department of Commerce) in 2003 was $24,939. First year teachers’ salaries were @ $31,000. Federal funding is essential.
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You reasoning is faulty. Per capita income includes all people, incluidng children. Thus per capita income for your county includes allocating almost 25,000/year to a new born infant.
Thus a two first year teachers with one child should have almost 75,000, not the 62,000 of their salary.
Well, I went to the 2000 Census info and found the following for my county:
Male full-time year round workers median salary: $32,584
Female full-time year round workers median salary: $23,384
Interesting find: Bachelor’s degree or higher for those 25 years old+ was 14.8%
With first year salaries beginning at $31,000+, teachers in my community earn relatively good salaries with benefits.
I do so hope you will be able to respond to my other comments too. Thanks.
I live in the state with the lowest teacher pay in the country – South Dakota. There is an article in the Argus Leader just about every day that mentions the danger the education system is in here – and teacher pay is certainly one of the factors mentioned. I just hope people are listening.
What really gets me is that – generally speaking – this country wants education on the cheap. Education is one of the single most important things you can give your citizens. Why do we constantly underfund it yet still expect excellence? Oh, I guess the more educated your citizens are, the more they think and the more they vote democrat 😉
I am a university educator, have a Ph.D. and make less than 50k. My father was shocked when I told him this after accepting my first tenure track job. It’s sad but true.
while I was still working on my now abandoned doctorate in education at Catholic U, they had a workshop for those of us working on doctorates in all departments, to talk about getting jubos, what to expect, etc. I quickly realized that even had I wanted to (I don’t) leave K-12 teaching and become a university professor, I could not afford the pay cut.
Those I know that follow that route usually put in their 30 years in schools, then take their pension while in their 50’s and go to the university. At that point, between pension and university salary they are making almost as much as they were when they were teaching, or even more if they retired as administrators.
Well, education has come a long way since my 4G grandmother and 5G grandfather’s had to board out with various neighbors during the year in order to be able to live. And of course, when they married, which was a bit difficult, since they were forbidden to “associate” except for church attendance”, they had to quit teaching!
No question teachers arouse ire in the public – even among progressives, as the negative responses on dKos surely show. Many people think, likely from their own experiences as students, that they know what teaching requires and demands of teachers. No, they probably don’t.
I’m one of those “left the classroom after only a few years” people (though I teach college students now). I loved teaching the children,but I detested the lack of freedom that I had. Like almost every teacher in the part of the county where I lived (and indeed in most parts of the country), teachers were not unionized. As the schools often chose administrators from the leadership of the teacher’s organizations, there was, to say the least, little likelihood of a union being formed.
Children were allowed in my classroom starting at 8am, but I could not teach them “any substantive content” until 8:35am. At 8:35 they left for 15 minutes of gym. This was my “free period” for the day. For the rest of the day, I was not to leave them for any purpose whatsoever. If I needed to go to the bathroom, for example, I was instructed to take them with me(!). I had to eat lunch with my students, which was 17 minutes long, my classroom door to my classroom door. We had no lunch aides, and we were strictly forbidden to watch each other’s students.
There are so many intrusions on time: The local dental auxiliary visited (one of our congressional reps was a dentist), along with “Tony the Tooth”. They left me with a tooth brush and toothpaste tube for each student (all 38), and a directive to have all 38 children brush there teeth twice daily under my direct supervision. Gee, I wondered aloud, what part of the state test will this activity cover? We did this exactly two days, while I timed how long it took. One sink. 38 kids, 38 toothpaste tubes, 38 brushes, no glasses or cups. Yes, a great use of instructional time. At least I wasn’t in Tom DeLay’s district, we probably would have been asked to spray for roaches daily.
I was paid slightly more than $19,000 in today’s dollars. There was a dress code,and a morals clause in my contract. For example, I knew a teacher who was fired for saying DAMN out loud when a fire drill bell when off in the middle of her mid-term exams. We all laughed, but were secretly horrified – it could so easily have been us. Teacher pay has increased modestly in this district, but not much – the state minimum is $24,910, and my old district adds about 3,000 to that.
I would like to see all those politicians who criticize public education spend a full week in charge of a classroom – and I don’t mean a tiny class of hand-selected seniors in their states’ most affluent suburban school (not that those kids would always be easy, either). I’d even let them do it without the toothbrushes.