Reality in our century is not something to be faced. — Graham Greene
There has been much talk about “reality” in political discourse in the blogosphere as of late. It was sparked, I think, by the piece by Ron Suskind in the NY Times Magazine last October …
crossposted from Liberal Street Fighter
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Many on the left, and the centrists in the Democratic Party, chortled at that observation. Of course we are, we’re PROUD of it. However, it raises a question … how do we decide what “reality-based” means? This is not a metaphysical question, but a very practical one. What do we mean by reality, and how do we decide what is “real” within the political sphere?
“Reality can destroy the dream; why shouldn’t the dream destroy reality?” — George Moore
Is political reality fixed, or created? If it is created, does it become so by fiat, from “leaders”, or does it arise through foment and debate? Are “fringe” ideas counterproductive, or vital, to the development of political power? There are some who would argue that “fringe” ideas, “conspiracy theories”, diminish the chances for political success. History would argue otherwise.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. — Philip K. Dick
The Republican regime we face now was based on fringe ideas. They succeeded because a group of people on the far right refused to be silenced, and built a broad-based infrastructure to feed their agenda. The aide Suskind quoted was speaking a political reality — the current regime EXISTS because a united group of people on the right willed it into existence. Isn’t our purpose, as liberals, to assert that we need to create political consensus through debate and measurement and process? Are we so lacking in our faith in a government, a political system based in those ideas, that we think we need to echo a movement that is so much the opposite of that which we hold dear; reason and debate?
I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion and contribute to the total discrediting of the world of reality. — Salvador Dali
Is that a political “success” that we on the left want to replicate? As believers in the Enlightenment, in the idea that human reason can help us to create a better world for ourselves, do we want to reenact the way the right gained power? The greatest successes of the left came from a vibrant and healthy debate. People told Martin Luther King and Malcolm X they were too radical. The Suffragists were told that they were never going to win the right to vote for women if they kept making wild statements and claims. THAT is the history of how progressive change has been accomplished in this country. Why, then, are so many on the center-right calling for lockstep thinking and a silencing of “fringe” ideas? Have we become so intellectually lazy, so bereft in our faith in the power of reason and discourse, that we feel that political debate must be limited?
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. — Friedrich Nietzsche
I’m all with you about debate. I am constantly reminded of the lack of real conversation in our society and the power it can have.
But I have been struggling with the focus on “reality.” While I too was shocked at the original quote from Suskind and wanted to firmly establish myself as a member of the reality-based community, I soon began to be aware of the fact that reality means a lot of different things to different people.
Two places this has been demonstrated to me:
First of all, years ago the book “Women’s Ways of Knowing” changed my life. I began to tell people that, just as Eskimos have so many words to describe “snow” we need many more words to describe the process of “knowing.” For too long, women and people of color have been dismissed in their ways of knowing.
Secondly, quantum physics now tells us that reality is a lot more complicated than we have ever known. Since I’m not an expert in this subject, I won’t make a fool of myself by getting into specifics. But I do know that our minds have to filter out a lot more than we can incorporate and who knows what is excluded in that process.
So, the minute I go with the above, I get worried about “who’s reality” and while I want to stay grounded and not fly away with the wingers, I also know that what we know about “reality” is pretty limited.
“It depends on what the meaning of IS is.” BC
In the broadest sense of things, every one of us has our own version of reality because we see things through our personal experiences and perceptions. Not trying to get “metaphysical” on you, but it just IS. Yes, there are many things we agree on. Most of those things we call reality.
The problem I have with the current “reality based” discussion as relates to the liberals or democratic party, is that for some, it means don’t question or don’t investigate, just accept things are as they appear to be.
Now that sort of puts me not only in a tinfoil hat, but a whole suit of tinfoil armor. I have spent my entire life questioning things and I doubt I am about to stop at this late date. I don’t ascribe to the “aliens are living in GWB’s brain and making us a slave planet” type of conspiracy. I tend to stay rather detached from so called “conspiracy theories” in general.
But I don’t think seeing, hearing and knowing that there were irregularities in the last two election cycles, as an example, is a “conspiracy theory.” We won’t ever know for sure who is involved, how it happens, and how to fix it unless we investigate it.
So is questioning, and having a strong sense that something isn’t right a qualifier for a tinfoil hat? I frankly don’t know how you put such questions to rest unless you attempt to discover if there is any merit in the thought.
I am not at all surprised that people right now see shadows behind every lamp post. Those in charge have lied and misled consistently about everything they do or intend to do. It becomes pretty easy to believe they are capable of anything. So speculation about them having a hand in happenings, especially those that somehow seem to give them the diversion they need from the “real” things that are going on seems quite natural to me. Unless we have some compelling information that makes it seem we should investigate such things, it is merely thinking out loud in most cases. Pure speculation. And I am not sure what is wrong with people speculating or asking questions.
So I guess I must be on the fringes of the reality based community, because there are just an awful lot of things that don’t add up with this administration, and I certainly think just about anything is possible with them. I don’t spend a lot of time on that, but it is always there. I have no ability to trust anything they say or do, and they have proved to me that I shouldn’t trust them.
Just my 2 cents worth
you and I are in the same place. Better to know and hear what people think and believe, and engage them. This version of intellectual “head in the sand” is a recipe for continued blindness and ineffectiveness.
You never know what crazy idea will turn out to be true. Better to test it, push it, poke at it to see if it holds up.
Ah. . .you are indeed a madman. . .a perfect madman. . .I think I told you that before. So you and I and a few others will keep our sticks handy and poke here and there and see what foul smelling things come forth.
Enjoyed your diary, as always.
((((Hugs))))
thanks.
It does get lonely outside the herd, and always good to find fellow travelers.
You know, I’ll bet I have read that Suskind quote a dozen times, but it was only this time that something about it finally hit me. I think I’ve been distracted by the “reality” question when I should also have been paying attention to what else he was saying: “You’re passive, we’re active. Hide and watch, suckers.”
That really has been a huge part of the problem for “thinking” people. These guys move fast, they move stealthily, and things are fait accompli almost before we know it. Plus, they move on a lot of fronts at the same time. When they got in office, they were ready to go. We know that about them. Our office holders, even the best of them, have seemed ponderously slow-footed by comparison. (A prime benefit for our side of blogs, imo, has been the way they prod our side to MOVE FASTER, dammit, though without giving up the necessity to think first.)
But he’s wrong about at least a couple of things. We won’t only be left to study what they do, we will be left to clean up after it. He seems to think that period of “study” will come a long time in the future, after they re-make the world to suit themselves, but he may be wrong about that, too. The clean-up may be coming soon, when they’re tossed out of power sooner than they dreamed possible. (Or not.) Payback’s a bitch for impulsive people when they follow bad impulses, and these people are nothing if not impulsive people following bad impulses. Which, as irony would have it, comes from not studying reality as it actually exists on the ground in the present moment, instead of only dreaming of the future.
though I’m seeing sad signs that some on “our” side are responding to them by trying to ape them. No studying of them, no cleaning up after them, just becoming “nicer” versions of them.
just becoming “nicer” versions of them.
I know. Shudder.
“You’re passive, we’re active. Hide and watch, suckers.”
That’s it EXACTLY!! I was amsued and horrified at how fast the “proud moniker” of “reality-based community” was taken up — saying “yes, look at us, we’re reality-based aren’t we terrific?!” Meanwhile the shapers of reality are busy at work making sure that those with the moniker look like complete loons to the rest of the country….a shame, really (pun intended).
And so have you hit on something exactly, imo. That pride thing. . .ugh! It has really bugged me, too, and it just keeps feeding on itself. It’s pathetic, isn’t it? Apparently, we were just starving to have something to cling to so we could feel good about ourselves again.
national politics in a nutshell — all of this stupid nonsense back and forth…I mean, please! Is anyone aware that over half of the eligible voters in this country gave up the ghost when it comes to this bullshit long ago? Hello? Anyone see a problems with that right there? Nope, not much talking goin’ on about that —
“the hell with ’em, WE’RE the ones that matter, we’re reality-based, we’re the voice of the Democratic Blogoshphere, blah blah blah”
Please give me one small fucking break, there’s reality and then there’s REALITY, ya know?
I’m thinking of writing a “What Do People Do All Day” (remember the classic Richard Scary book?) for our modern times…though I don’t think it’ll be a children’s book.
Any of you artists out there wanna illustrate??
But the problem with debate is someone is suppose to win and talk will beat a dead horse forever.
We need more action to stop the ‘reality’ of today in America. Makes me think of the reality show trend-which I despise also- but get sucked into watching occasionally for the shock and awe and disgust of it. Thank goodness I can at least shut the tv off. But how do we shut BUSHCO off?
I’ve never actually believed that. The purpose of debate is to continue the debate, and react to the changes in the world that the debate reveals.
“Winning” is only temporary, b/c whatever change is made creates new problems, and thus new debates. It’s an ongoing struggle.
thus never ending but very tiring. I like getting things done, solving problems, exchanging humorous wit, but just talking and talking about the SOS serves little purpose except for the egos involved, unless they do solve a problem in the process.
The age-old tug of war between process and action. I think that this is one where we need to recognize and value our differences. Of course, both are necessary, but we all just have different tolerance levels for each.
I know what you mean, but I’m afraid it never stops …
from the 70’s? I’m still a huge fan of Seth, and in particular, “The Nature of Personal Reality”. We create our reality through our belief systems. For anyone to espouse there is one particular reality, is wrong-headed. That is the sadness in censoring people for their beliefs.
Clearly, Markos wants a type of belief to be prevalant on his site. That’s fine. But to declare that it is a reality based community is kind of laughable.
Ah ha, another Seth fan! Every year I reread bits and pieces.
Count me in on this fan list……Me tooooooooooo……
Shirl toooooooooooo……
I just love his books…..
We can have both messaging and debate, and we should value messaging about debate above all. The key word in your closing paragraph is the Enlightenment. Enlightenment principles are both our method and our message. We need to make the incremental steps that move our country toward a reality-based community. At the same time, we need to refocus the messaging of the Democratic Party around the Enlightenment principles of the founding fathers.