The London bombings have brought a resurgence of talk about a “Clash of Civilizations.” There is some truth to this talk, but it’s not what conservatives think, according to data collected from a broad range of countries, which was reported in Foreign Affairs in 2003, and Ms. Magazine in 2004. It’s not attitudes toward democracy that divides us, it’s attitudes toward gender:
Researchers Ronald Inglehart and Pippa Norris, drawing on data from the World Values Survey (WVS) wrote both articles. They did not draw attention to the fact that American conservatives are on the same side as the Taliban–but I will.
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While Bush and the neo-cons can at least pretend to be crusaders for democracy, and ideologues like Samuel Huntington can argue that Western Culture is inherently superior to and different from Islam, which is fundamentally unsuited to democratic self-government, there is actual realworld evidence that directly contradicts such assertions and pretensions.
This goes well beyond the fact that Bush has proven himself an enemy of democracy in Haiti and Venezuela–not to mention all the countries whose leaders followed their citizen’s wishes and did not support the invastion of Iraq.
The reality is that attitudes toward gender are a prime indicator of sharp differences between the West and the Muslim world–and that those differences are relatively recent developments, which are growing stronger as Western youth become increasingly egalitarian in outlook, while their Muslim counterparts remain wedded to traditional views.
The Spring, 2004 article in Ms. Magazine, “It’s the Women, Stupid!” is shorter and more to the point, while the March/April, 2003 article in Foreign Affairs, “The True Clash of Civilizations” spells things out in a bit more detail. Its introduction reads:
the West and the Islamic world is not about democracy, but sex. According to a new survey, Muslims and their Western counterparts are still worlds apart when it comes to attitudes toward divorce, abortion, gender equality, and gay rights – which does not bode well for democracy’s future in the Middle East.
“…or in America,” we might add.
In particular, the Foreign Affairs article explains the questions underlying the chart results above, which were reproduced in both articles:
DEMOCRATIC PERFORMANCE
¦ Democracies are indecisive and have too much quibbling. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ Democracies aren’t good at maintaining order. (Strongly disagree.)
DEMOCRATIC IDEAL
¦ Democracy may have problems, but it’s better than any other form of government. (Strongly agree.)
¦ Approve of having a democratic political system. (Strongly agree.)
STRONG LEADERS
¦ Approve of having experts, not government, make decisions according to what they think is best for the country. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ Approve of having a strong leader who does not have to bother with parliament and elections. (Strongly disagree.)
RELIGIOUS LEADERS
¦ Politicians who do not believe in God are unfit for public office. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ It would be better for [this country] if more people with strong religious beliefs held public office. (Strongly disagree.)
GENDER EQUALITY
¦ On the whole, men make better political leaders than women do. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ When jobs are scarce, men should have more right to a job than women. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ A university education is more important for a boy than for a girl. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ A woman has to have children in order to be fulfilled. (Strongly disagree.)
¦ If a woman wants to have a child as a single parent but she doesn’t want to have a stable relationship with a man, do you approve or disapprove? (Strongly approve.)
DIVORCE
¦ Divorce can always be justified, never be justified, or something in between. (High level of tolerance for divorce.)
ABORTION
¦ Abortion can always be justified, never be justified, or something in between. (High level of tolerance for abortion.)
HOMOSEXUALITY
¦ Homosexuality can always be justified, never be justified, or something in between. (High level of tolerance for homosexuality.)
As the authors explain:
Despite Huntington’s claim of a clash of civilizations between the West and the rest, the WVS reveals that, at this point in history, democracy has an overwhelmingly positive image throughout the world. In country after country, a clear majority of the population describes “having a democratic political system” as either “good” or “very good.” These results represent a dramatic change from the 1930s and 1940s, when fascist regimes won overwhelming mass approval in many societies; and for many decades, Communist regimes had widespread support.
Furthermore:
(Hence, the need for “other means” to disable democratic accountability.)
The authors do note a difference in attitude toward religion in politics, but this is not limited to Muslim countries:
What does draw a sharp distinction are gender attitudes, both toward women and toward gays. Women first:
These issues are part of a broader syndrome of tolerance, trust, political activism, and emphasis on individual autonomy that constitutes “self expression values.” The extent to which a society emphasizes these self-expression values has a surprisingly strong bearing on the emergence and survival of democratic institutions. Among all the countries included in the WVS, support for gender equality–a key barometer of tolerance and personal freedom–is closely linked with a society’s level of democracy. In every stable democracy, a majority of the public disagrees with the statement that “men make better political leaders than women.” None of the societies in which less than 30 percent of the public rejects this statement (such as Jordan, Nigeria, and Belarus) is a true democracy.
Now, in America today it would surely be a political death sentence for a party to openly deride the ability of women to participate in politics. Yet, at the level of common public opinion, almost half of self-identified extreme conservatives (those who rated themselves “7” on a scale of 1-7) agree that “Most men are better suited emotionally for politics than are most women.” This is more than 3 times the number of extreme liberals who say the same thing, as recorded by the General Social Survey:
I did not have access to the WVS data. The GSS data, is generally, though not directly comparable. However, it it is broken down into 7 divisions of political self-identification, which makes it extremely useful for distinguishing political views that vary by ideology.
Another GSS question that’s relevant here is ABCHOOSE, “A pregnant woman should be able to obtain a legal abortion for any reason whatsoever, if she chooses not to have the baby,” which allows a neutral choice. This makes it generally comparable to the WVS question on abortion, “Abortion can always be justified, never be justified, or something in between,” which got 48% approval in the West generally, compared to 25% is Muslim countries. Here’s how Americans stacked up:
Finally, red states rather famously have higher divorce rates than blue states, and it’s not surprising that GSS doesn’t ask an agree/disagree question like the WVS, “Divorce can always be justified, never be justified, or something in between.” But it does ask if divorce should be made easier, harder, or left the same:
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Attitudes towards gays are significant because of their cross-cultural outgroup status:
Among authoritarian and quasi-democratic states, rejection of homosexuality is deeply entrenched: 99 percent in both Egypt and Bangladesh, 94 percent in Iran, 92 percent in China, and 71 percent in India. By contrast, these figures are much lower among respondents in stable democracies: 32 percent in the United States, 26 percent in Canada, 25 percent in Britain, and 19 percent in Germany.
And, again, we take a look to see which side conservatives are on in the clash of civilizations. GSS asked two similar questions in the 1990s. Here are the results of both:
And:
Again, these are only generally comparable. They were done in the 1990s, and younger people in the West are strikingly more accepting of homosexuality. Still, the liberal/conservative split very much resembles the Western/Muslim split. The conclusion here is obvious: the “Clash of Civilizations” is just another name for the “Culture Wars.” Liberals are on the side of the West. Conservatives are on the same side as the Muslim civilizations they both demonize and try to identify with liberals.
They are also, of course, on the same side as bin Laden.
It seems to me that the Islamic and American conservative worlds also agree on the need to balance and contain science.
This is a very reasonable hypothesis, but I’m unaware of any data to support it. I’ve read about the World Values Survey before, but I’ve never tried to dig into the specific data. At first glance it’s not easily done, compared to the easy accessibility of GSS data.
Emmanuel Todd also noted, in After the Empire, that modernization, or educated males and females, and more female control over her own life correlates to greater democracy.
Here’s a good overview of Todd’s claim that the upheaval in the middle east is due to the fight against modernization by some that will quiet down as education levels go up and births per female drop.
Sounds like an interesting book. But, just to be clear, the whole World Values Survey, which grew out of the European Values Survey in 1981, is concerned with tracking value evolution across the globe, which is commonly seen as a two-step process. Though it is often simply referred to as “modernization,” a more precise description differentiates between two stages.
The first is modernization, which involves the transition from agriculture to industrial societies, dominated by increases in income that translate into increased well-being. The second is post-modernization, which involves a shift in emphasis toward quality of life, self-expression and self-determination. Gender equality is more strongly correlated with the second phase, but is now occuring in many developing countries still in the modernization phase.
The two-phase structure is very evident in the following graph of GNP and perceived well-being:
![](http://www.thefilehut.com/userfiles/PaulRosenberg/Development/EconDevFig3.jpg)
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which is schematized thus:
This is schema of what has happened so far, but it cannot be taken as a guarantee of the future, I fear. Whether Muslim countries will follow the development trajectory to post-modernism is, in my opinion, very much up in the air. Bush’s “war on terror” is greatly empowering the cultural forces that oppose this evolution.
Consider what might have happened in Europe if the wars of Reformation had been interrupted by an invasion from Central Asia sweeping into the heart of Protestant Northern Europe. The forces surrounding the Inquisition might well have emerged triumphant.
thanks for the explanation. the link I found doesn’t fully cover Todd’s book, and yes I do recommend it, and I’m not the only one…James Wolcott also thought it was one of the most important books he read in the year it was translated…2003…has it been two years!?!
I’m also not an expert on any of this, so I appreciate the explanations. I think Todd mentioned this parallel development and the tension implied.
His attitude was “let them work out these issues” and terrorism will pass.
In other words, everything we’re doing is just exacerbating the struggle rather than helping people make a transition toward greater equality.
…and because of this, Todd thinks America has lost its position as an empire, while Americans are just starting to debate the term among themselves…but Todd, as mentioned, also predicted the fall of the Soviet Union more than a decade before the event.
As far as your stats go, as someone from the south, my “bellweather” was always…what do the fundies support? …and whatever they supported, I knew was the wrong side of an issue. 🙂
I just wanted to make it clear that he’s drawing on a much broader range of thinking. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course. But the better we understand where ideas come from, and how they are being integrated from different sources, the better positioned we are to evaluate them properly.
I think that Muslim countries always faced a difficult transition, given (1) the long history of European domination, (2) the long delay of an Islamic reformation, and (3) the cavalier disruption of their societies by the US (and, to a lesser extent, the USSR) during the Cold War.
If Clinton really had been a visionary leader, he would have focused good deal of attention on trying to facilitate an Islamic opening. Instead, he bought into the hardline Israeli worldview, along with range of other parochial and backward looking perspectives with respect to other Middle East issues. For all his failings (he was a much better citizen than he was President), Carter really did seem to understand the need for regional transformation. Clinton, OTOH, was totally in the dark.
Finally, the US has been an empire since at least the end of WWII. Whether or not we use the term ourselves is relatively insignificant. It’s always those who are most intoxicated by empire who do the most to bring about its decline and fall.
Oh, I didn’t think you were putting him down at all. I was just talking to you and, while I’m no expert on the subject, I thought his book was really interesting and related to your post, which I also found very interesting.
GReat Diary , Paul. I couldnt agree more. This being my observation as well. As an intersexed individual I live in a red state and often get looks and stare by individuals. In the north i rarely got those looks (in TX atm) .
People have even asked me “why do you want to be a woman?” because i identify female but look gender ambiguous.
Have you looked into “external loci of control” vs “internal loci of control?” My guess is that conservatives tend to try solve their problems by controlling things outside of themselves (like women and gender minorities) while liberals tend to favor change on an personal level first.
That’s only a guess, though.