I haven’t posted in all the brouhaha about Rove & the Plame leak as I’ve been quite ill, but I have been mulling over the details as they come out and trying to see how this all fits into the timeline we put together on Gannon’s role in the whole mess {Jeff Gannon & L’Affaire Plame}
And today, just now, with Hunter’s latest post, I think I’ve got it. I welcome critical analysis and discussion, but this just strikes me as something Fitzgerald would already know…
Follow me on the flip…
Hunter brings up the leak to Pincus and the additional information surrounding her cover/ position with the CIA and the patronage aspect of the meme…
Well… how about this…
Here’s Novak’s original “outing” –
Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson’s wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him.
After eight days in the Niger capital of Niamey (where he once served), Wilson made an oral report in Langley that an Iraqi uranium purchase was “highly unlikely,” though he also mentioned in passing that a 1988 Iraqi delegation tried to establish commercial contacts. CIA officials did not regard Wilson’s intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances. The CIA report of Wilson’s briefing remains classified.
All this was forgotten until reporter Walter Pincus revealed in the Washington Post June 12 that an unnamed retired diplomat had given the CIA a negative report. Not until Wilson went public on July 6, however, did his finding ignite the firestorm.
On October 17th, in the WSJ, David S. Cloud writes this about the “memo” that Novak references and on which the leak was based… about the Plame leak and the decision to send Wilson to Niger:
An internal government memo addresses some of the mysteries at the center of the White House leak investigation and could help investigators in the search for who disclosed the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, according to two people familiar with the memo.
The memo, prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel, details a meeting in early 2002 where CIA officer Valerie Plame and other intelligence officials gathered to brainstorm about how to verify reports that Iraq had sought uranium yellowcake from Niger.
Ms. Plame, a member of the agency’s clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested at the meeting that her husband, Africa expert and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, could be sent to Niger to investigate the reports, according to current and former government officials familiar with the meeting at the CIA’s Virginia headquarters. Soon after, midlevel CIA officials decided to send him, say intelligence officials.
Classified memos, like the one describing Ms. Plame’s role, have limited circulation and investigators are likely to question all those known to have received it. Intelligence officials haven’t denied Ms. Plame was involved in the decision to send Mr. Wilson, but they have said she was not “responsible” for the decision.
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According to current and former officials familiar with the memo, it describes interagency discussions of the yellowcake mystery: whether the reports of Iraq’s uranium purchases were credible; which agency should pay for any further investigation; and the suggestion that Mr. Wilson could be sent to check out the allegations. Other officials with knowledge of the memo wouldn’t say if it mentions Ms. Plame by name as the one who suggested Mr. Wilson, or if her identity is shielded but obvious because of what is known now about the mission. Operations officers like Ms. Plame are sometimes identified only by their first names even in interagency meetings.
I parsed this baby once, but not enough I see now. Let’s take this step by step.
- Cloud is relying on “two people” who had seen the memo, but presumably not himself in the first paragraph. Two people. Not two “government officials”, not “two intelligence officers” as he then goes on to cite, but just two plain ol’ people. Coulda been Novak. Coulda been Miller. Coulda been Fidel Castro. Who knows, but that choice of wording is really bizarre.
- Cloud then details that Plame was covert and working on Iraqi weapons issues & that she suggested at the meeting that her husband could be a good candidate for the trip to Niger. His sources on this are current and former government officials who were familiar with the meeting at Langley. I didn’t catch this the first time around… former gov’t officials? So who was talking to Cloud? Who was in the gov’t with the necessary clearing in Feb 2002 when the meeting occurred, and who was not there by Oct 2003? And when exactly did they give him all this background info?
- Then, within the same paragraph, he cites Intelligence officials (presumably CIA) describing who actually decided to send Wilson. He continues to affirm that, according to the Intelligence officials, Valerie was involved, but not the decision maker.
- At the end of the piece he flips back to his current & former officials for more details on the memo… but then something strange happens… he flips sources again in the same paragraph to reveal the most crucial piece of the puzzle… other officials with knowledge of the memo wouldn’t say if it mentions Ms. Plame by name as the one who suggested Mr. Wilson, or if her identity is shielded but obvious because of what is known now about the mission. Operations officers like Ms. Plame are sometimes identified only by their first names even in interagency meetings. Other officials… what other officials? Government officials? Intelligence officials? Customs officials? And MORE THAN ONE OF THEM?
And notice what those “Other Officials” said… Valerie Plame would not have been identified by name in that memo as she was covert. That memo is not the smoking gun (if it was in fact real). Someone with high-level CIA classified access, who potentially attended and knew Valerie Plame as Joe Wilson’s wife by sight, or was debriefed by someone who did. We know the memo was a fake (or at least think we do, Jeff Gannon says the Senate Intelligence Committee said it wasn’t), so whomever was talking was at the meeting or was debriefed by someone who was. It is very interesting to note which of Cloud’s sources reference a memo and which reference a meeting.
So who from the WH or Pentagon was at that meeting?
And what does that tell us about who was leaked to first… Pincus or Novak?
… critique away… I can’t wait to see someone frogmarched out of the WH… 🙂
but just in case…
Also cross posted at dkos
Wow, spiderleaf. A friend just noted this to me at dKos, and I am delighted to see it here too. I will have to think through this as frankly, I have found the information confusing, and not laid out well with respect to time, who is saying what, and to whom. I think you are helping with this. More, possibly, after much thought.
Glad you are better. And much better, to work through this so well!
Thanks… I actually was heading back to bed and thought I’d check out Boo & dkos before I did & when I saw Hunter’s post something just clicked in my brain finally and I remembered all of Cloud’s varying “sources”.
Wilson was leaking, he was the source for at least 4 articles in May and June of 2003 before his July 6th op-ed was published.
I think the ‘state department’ classified document was prepared in advance, ready to push back if Wilson went public. The State department report was leaked in October of 2003 to the WSJ, WAPO wrote about it in December of 2003 and Isikoff wrote about the document in August of 2004 when Powell had to testify before the grand jury.
I wrote a diary with the links here.
but you are right, it is not well-known.
Also, the 9/11 Report mentions this meeting.
The right wing pounced upon this revelation to say
“See, we told you so, it was nepotism that sent
Joe Wilson to Niger.” They tried to make it look
as though Wilson had lied until the CIA came to his
defense and said that although his wife was at the
meeting, she did not make the decision to send him
on the Niger mission.
Good diary, well put together!
Have you seen the Reuters breakdown yet? Now that the spotlight is on Rove, let’s replay the remarks he made a couple of weeks ago. I hope this is politically fatal for the White House.
The reason all of this is so confusing is because they intended it to be muddled. This administration is full of Spin-masters with a capital ‘S’. Hopefully Fitzgerald found the key to the lock.
Could it be that KR really didn’t know VP’s name and also not know that she was a covert operative? What if he only knew she was CIA and thought ‘executive’?
His point was only to discredit her husband by making the nepotism connection. Unfortunately (for him) he exposed an on-the-ground spy.
What might be called a ‘Rush to Fudgement’?
Naah
I always thought it was possible that Rove didn’t know or reveal anything more than “Wilson’s wife works for the CIA, she sent him”. His lawyer’s denials have been careful to say “knowingly” and “name”. I think the memo is a fake, but it may describe a real meeting. The question would be, “why fake a memo?” It seems the answer would be to protect the real source, the ‘neocon mole’ in the CIA.
This scenario leaves out old Bloody Judy Miller, and her sources in the Pentagon OSP and INC. It may be that she learned of the CIA meeting, but I continue to suspect that she was actually used by WMD intelligence ‘fabricators’ in the OSP to get Plame outed, and wreck her network. It may be that Joe Wilson popping up just provided the opportunity for them to strike a blow against the CIA.
In this case, fabricating the memo might have been necessary to cover the leak of the info through Miller.
This is a fascinating puzzle. Another piece we have laying around is the reporting of a connection between the Plame case and the Franklin case.
Yes, there are lots of more worthy scenarios. I just don’t accept that even a supreme control freak with a dedicated staff can really pull every string in a vast bureaucracy.
Maybe he thinks he can – and, given suppressed and acquiescent media, he could have pulled it off. Meaning that it was possible for him to fix inevitable mistakes later thru the msm. But he reckoned without blogging – which was in its infancy when the grand master plan was being hatched some years, maybe over a decade, ago.
I’ve witnessed this kind of thing in big corporations. Technology nearly always upsets grand master plans these days, because the cycle of innovation/acceptance is very much faster than any other cycles – especially politics.
You ask
The short answer, I think, is No. This guy is from all accounts a complete control freak.
If this results in his downfall, and I most sincerely hope it does, it will be a natural outgrowth of the toxic combination of arrogance and stupidity that infects the entire administration.
It may mean nothing, but I have heard Ambassador Wilson say in at least two different interviews that his wife took his name when they got married, so to out her as Valerie Plame seems weird.
What it could mean:
There may be some other significance to this tidbit, or it may be totally irrelevant.
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Does JB fit into this matter as he has been running around with SECRET Memos between NSA – Chalabi – Feith – CIA?
What Did John Bolton Do with the NSA Intercept Information?
Did He Violate National Security Laws?
I followed the PropaGannon diaries @dKos in February, but haven’t kept track since on the Valerie Plame investigation.
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LeftCoaster Blog July 6, 2005 —
When Thinking About Plame, Look Beyond Rove Towards Bolton
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Bolton has got to be tied to this in some way…especially since the smart money (in the beginning) was on the leak coming outta the cheney wing of the WH…and BOLTON is Cheney’s pick for UN ambassadore, not Bush’s.
maybe its a tin foil hat idea but there is something hidden in the NSA papers biden and dodd demanded that the WH refuses to give up.
is that something the info on valerie plame?
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2001 Nomination endorsed by Jesse Helms –
Earthlink – John Bolton
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to this diary to Dkos – Hunter’s main page diary
“When Did The White House Plame Outing Really Start?”
It would be great if someone would creat a spreadsheet with all the characters and a timeline as to when they popped up – Pincus, Novak, Miller along with Libby, Rove, Wilson, Plame et. al.
I noticed that Fitzpatrick has been on this case for two years now. So he probably has had to do the same thing.
Ok, two leakers. Cheney, Bolton, Miller chain then Bolton, Rove, Cooper chain. Novak leak come from Miller. Also, Miller is not your ordinary NYT reporter. Get it?