[If you don’t catch the ref, it’s from a song.]
Here I am again, with a diary inspired by another diary. “Frederoil” posted here: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/11/32619/6292
I’m tired of people fawning over the military and I’m going to speak out about it.
One reader responded:
….So you’re going to dehumanize the returning troops – it’s what you are doing.
Well then. Now we’re rockin’ and rollin’. Now, I happen to kinda agree with Frederoil that we’re waaaaay too into “How Cool War Is tm” in our society. At least those making decisions at the top are! And if we don’t even dialog about this — how on earth are we going to even learn a darned thing about it??
Does “Support the Troops” mean “Support the Troops” when the policy makers that promote Iraq/ Afghanistan wars —ALSO— propose pay cuts for ACTUAL troops? When they propose cutting health care for FORMER and ACTUAL troops? When they allow today’s vets to become HOMELESS by screwing up their pay, their back pay, by denying them housing loans? When they ask these troops to pay for their own meals in hospitals after being wounded in Iraq war? (How can you get more insulting, more “not-support troops” than that?!?)
Or does “Support the Troops” mean “SCREW the TROOPS, but Line My Friend’s Pockets with Wealth Earned From Munitions Factories And Troop Services” when these policy-makers say it??
YES, this is controversial to discuss. What’s the point of wasting time here talking about what the chattering talking heads are already repeating endlessly?
I could rant on — but let’s do that in Comments. I started this diary to preserve a story I told on Frederoil’s diary. Of a time when the health and safety of ordinary citizens was tossed out the window by our government — so the USA could buy arms for hideous, tin-horn dictators in third world countries. Here’s my response to “YOU are de-humanizing the troops” (if you speak up against war in general) — and the story of trading air-bags for bomblets.
“Dear poster, Lots to ponder, but when you say “you’re going to de-humanize the returning troops” — that’s quite a stretch!
Look — the words “de-ification of the troops” may not make sense to you. And indeed I can’t imagine that someone in the service would feel that they’re worshipped, it’s a tough life.
But our society now DOES have a lot of elements that worship war unquestioningly. Example: “Iraq war MUST be OK, because we got into it.” What’s up with that?
Our society now DOES have a lot of elements that worship unquestioningly our OVER-50 PERCENT OF FEDERAL BUDGET war-and-arms budget. Example: “Wow, some of that money may trickle down to my town, so we can have jobs”. Well, yeah, but a factory to build airbags for cars would employ people in your town, too. Or any peace-time application, like wheelchairs designed for children who need them.
Here’s an example:
Did you know that there was a project to build air-bags for cars in rural Washington state in the mid-1980s, that was DE-funded because our gov’t wanted to spend more money on weapons than on safety for its citizens? It’s real, I worked for the company.
What happened? They’d built the new plant, in an area where people desperately needed jobs, they’d bought some tools for it, they had a LOT of OKs on the original project and funding. Then Congress REVERSED a bill that had called for enhanced car safety… and the creation of airbags in our cars was delayed.
AND the funding for that plant to make air bags evaporated.
They ended up making small BOMBLETS to sell to third world dictators who were … making war on their own people. Bomblets that kill 20-100 people and maim more. You think I’m kidding? I was there. You think I’m a candy-assed management sissy telling this story and arguing that peace is a better goal than war? I drilled holes in those bomblets, I was a machinist standing on cement floor 8 hours at a stretch, getting covered with oil, ponder that.
This is the kind of thing that happens in a country where the basic thinking is that “war is a higher priority than citizen health and safety.” Bomblets over airbags or wheelchairs for kids.
Whether that diarist expressed that choice well in his choice of words or not, he’s trying to say he is TIRED of war getting SO MUCH of our budget and our PRAISE. Tired of war taking young people, and not-so-young National Guard members (who ONLY wanted to defend our country if it was attacked), and sending them off to die or be maimed for life.
To make sure you know, I have friends who have BEEN to Iraq. I have corresponded with people serving in Iraq to try to keep them uplifted. I may hire an Iraq vet soon, OK? (Troop support, post-war, in case not obvious.)
I had a friend who died his first day in Vietnam, (FIRST DAY) which took the scales off my eyes, as far as creepy, needless, dirty, self-serving little wars chosen by blinded politicians. See how that could change ya? Over 900 boys died their first day in Vietnam, so get ready, because it’ll happen to someone in Iraq/Afghanistan, if it hasn’t already. I CARE about that, I wish they could LIVE, does that make me a troop-hater?
AND one of the things I fight for now is BETTER treatment of our Service men and women on their return from Iraq/Afghanistan.
They should have FULL health insurance! Should have help with health problems caused by the war! They should have loans for home purchase! And more — correct?
So don’t try to lump all people who “don’t want war to be worshipped (de-ified)”, with “people who hate troops”. It’s a terrible argument, and worse, it simply is NOT true. “
(End my thoughts to other netizen.)
Shall we discuss?
that great leader and his crony’s in congress are getting wealthier and wealthier as this war progresses and no one seems to be saying much about it.
They also have been silently taking more and more away from the troops, as in weapons, ammo, armor, air support, food, clothing, bedding, you name it and it is slowly being taken away or disappearing.
Then when our troops return, if not wounded, they face chronic back pay issues, debt that is out of control because they were not paid correctly or on time. If wounded then who knows what they will face once their treatment is over in a military hospital. The VA is still chronically in short supply of nurses and medical personnel, along with chronic shortages of medical supplies and medicines.
I hope this tin horn wanna be dictator that is our current fearless leader is up on impeachment soon after the mid term elections. One can wish and hope can’t one?
Wish, hope, and each do our litle parts to try to change the water these people are swimming in.
Change the temperature, raise it gradually by more and more publicity about the truth — sooner or later some of the frogs will have to jump out, won’t they? (That is, stop voting for the Far Right.)
Or agree, or land in the middle, whatever.
Thanks.
and detest war worship and making heroes out of our war dead. If my husband gets killed in Iraq he was a man who got killed in Iraq and a husband who got killed in Iraq and a father who got killed in Iraq and no amount of making him a “hero” will ever make up for what was lost……in fact making him a hero gets everybody off the hook from having to really acknowledge what was lost that day for a family and his friends and his community. In my opinion it is nothing more than bullshit. By not acknowledging the damage that Iraq is going to do to the men and women we have place there, and the nation doing and paying what it must to deal with that, will also allow this nation to avoid feeling the hurt that comes with those deeds and mistakes and it makes the next illegal war much easier to get foisted on us all.
I was hoping you’d read and reply. 🙂
I agree whole heartedly. The government has done nothing but get a lot of people killed and then ripped out the rug from under those who managed to make it out alive. History says they have been doing it since the country was founded. They promise them all and deliver little.
I for one haven’t the slightest idea what to do about it. Impeaching the president is a thought but should it happen they will have spent so much money doing it they will have to cut the benefits even more. This problem goes to both sides of the aisle and that includes those who are vets themselves. The troops come home the citizens give them a parade and a kiss and don’t give them one more thought.
I believe that the government actually fired on a group of vets demanding their pay from some war, it might have been WWI. They did it in Washington at that.
It doesn’t seem to matter which party is in power they screw the vet. It just seems to be a matter of degree. So if you have a really great idea how to get people motivated to fix this problem I will listen. But they don’t seem to care about torture being robbed blind and lied to either.
I believe that the government actually fired on a group of vets demanding their pay from some war, it might have been WWI.
Jake, I bet you’re thinking of the “Bonus March.” According to Wikipedia:
After the defeat of the bill, Congress appropriated funds to pay for the marchers’ return home, most did not accept. …
The marchers were cleared and their camps were destroyed by federal cavalry troops under the command of General Douglas MacArthur … Tanks and troops with rifles were sent into the Bonus Expeditionary Force’s camps. Hundreds of veterans were injured, several were killed… The army burned down the BEF’s tents and used tear gas.
Thanks that is exactly what I was talking about. Thanks for finding the info and putting it up. I happen to see about it on a special they did on MacArthur on PBS. The name fits you well I love all librarians, the ones in my small town and the two sister-en-laws who do it. You are the keeper of the flame.
Google is my friend! I remembered the controversy was when Hoover was president, Googled hoover veterans and found the name of the march, looked it up in Wikipedia. </librarian lesson>
Nice rant, Up, and I agree completely. This is an old controversy. In the Vietnam War days I used to get into horrible arguments with my father who was a career Navy man. He couldn’t distinguish anti-war from anti-warrior, and took my pacifism very personally. Hardly anyone did make that distinction in those days — I don’t think I made it myself. I was very young and stupid.
Today, plenty of the lumpers are just naive, to put it charitably. They have to trust that America’s warmaking is right, because they need to believe that their privileged place in the world as Americans is justified. But plenty of them are not naive at all, they are playing a very cynical game of strawman. It’s just another way of manipulating public discourse to make it seem like questioning authority is unpatriotic.
freed up for “thinking”. My husband and I have wondered what all of this war worship is costing people on a psychological level and is it beginning to show up in our culture. This morning I read about the L.A. police killing the toddler whose father was using her as a sheild. The mother/wife said that she told the police that her husband was suffering from a severe depression and needed a psychologist but they insisted on talking to him and then when they opened fire they shot the hell out of the place, it caused both of us to wonder. I wasn’t there, but I imagine that police officers in uniform were probably very agitating to him and he did fire at police when they were evacuating a neighbor. Did they even attempt to get a psychologist to the scene? Did they think that maybe if they pulled back a little bit his agitation may have diminished enough to get the child to some kind of safety? Once again I wasn’t there and only reading about it, the police seemed more menacing and aggressive than helpful though from what I read and they shot and killed a child. Is war worship going to bring out a greater level of hostility and agression within our society? It doesn’t seem to me that people can worship war without it having some kind of affect on their daily lives.