another dispatch from the culture wars from Liberal Street Fighter
The truly remarkable thing about the recent announcement that Judge John Roberts is Bush’s pick to serve a lifetime appointment on the highest court of the land was this — how incredibly shallow the coverage of it was. It was as though all the television channels had become E! Entertainment and all of the publications had become People magazine, only in some twisted Republican universe where Ozzie & Harriet’s America had never “disappeared”. Oh the cultural buttons that were pounded on by the infobots on the “news” shows:
Nominee’s Son Shows Family’s Playful Side
Steps away as the president introduced John Roberts as a choice for the Supreme Court, the nominee’s young son danced the heart out of his saddle shoes.The boy’s mother had a less-than-approving look on her face as she watched. At one point, she even held 4-year-old Jack by the arm of his light blue short-pants suit.
Judge Roberts did not seem to flinch.
“It was classic and it showed John being able to maintain his composure while his son was dancing in front of the president,” said David Leitch, a former deputy White House counsel to Bush who worked with Roberts at the law firm of Hogan & Hartson.
Roberts and his wife, Jane, also have a daughter, 5-year-old Josie.
With the children, Roberts “has this real element of playfulness in his life,” Leitch said.
Judging by the coverage, and the all-out media enabled charm offensive, one must wonder if this was an important appointment, or a casting announcement for a new Dobson-pandering made-for-tv movie.
The culture war proceeds apace, and even fulfilling some idealized image is more important than actually having a proven record. In fact, we heard over and over that this nominee is a really “nice guy” with a “great sense of humor.” Several Democratic “leaders” were quick to announce that a filibuster is unlikely:
“This is a credible nominee, and not one that — as far as we know now — has a record that in any sense could be described as extremist,” said Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., said Bush had “made a wise choice.”
Asked whether a filibuster was likely, Nelson said: “I think it’s fair to say I don’t see anything coming out right now.”
“My sense is so far, so good,” summed up Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark.
So, we can see what the media and the politicians see in those “all-American” good looks, with the perfect, pretty and smart wife, the two adorable children (with the added plus that the two anti-abortion activists adopted them). A new nuclear family for a new Xtian Century. We can see that the culture wants to gaze into those perfect blue eyes and see the American Family Man that we left behind, even though that picture was always a fiction. The entire Republican movement since the end of WW2 has sought to create this perfect, happy and safe world.
That’s not what I see when I look into those blue eyes. I see a man who has been a Republican warrior since the Reagan administration. I see a man with a troubling inclination to put the demands of law enforcement before individual liberties. A man who has ruled that the President can subvert the Constitution and International Law with impunity. I see a man who has given the anti-woman theocrats some reason to cheer, and not just because of his arguments before the Supreme Court on abortion. I see a partisan who worked with Ken Starr to bring down a President and a man who worked with the Governor of Florida to steal an election.
When I look into those eyes I see the dark side of that American past that Republicans claim to champion. I see the eyes of misogynists who wanted to keep women in their place. I see the managers who hired Pinkertons for Robber Barons to bust up unions. I see the insurance executive and the banker who redline inner city neighborhoods. I see the law-and-order authoritarians who lock up the poor indefinitely while looking away from white collar criminals. I see the flashing blue eyes visable through the holes in white hoods.
Is that an unfair attack? Is that too much of a caricature of someone who may very well be a very nice and tolerant man? It’s certainly no more of a distortion than this weird projection of the idealized 1950’s that we’ve seen over the last couple of days. I suspect my version is closer, because I’ve found that you can judge a man by the company he keeps, and he’s kept the company of the greediest Corporatists and Religious Zealots in the Republican coalition.
This wasn’t a nomination, it was the casting of a role, filled by a member of the troupe who’s been groomed for this part. Behind those blue eyes I see glimpses of the darkest reaches of the American Right, glimpses that are apparent in the causes he’s supported and the briefs and decisions he’s written or signed onto in his relatively short career.
The Democrats in the Senate should keep their mouths shut about strategy until he’s sitting at a table in front of him. They should work closely with civil liberties and women’s health activist groups, and they damned well better ask some hard questions. Some would say he’s going to be confirmed anyway, so why fight now? How can anybody expect the American People to turn back toward a Party that won’t, ever?
As Erwin Chemerinsky put it in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
For example, Roberts must be asked detailed questions about how he believes a Supreme Court justice should interpret the Constitution. Does he agree with Justices Scalia and Thomas that the meaning of the Constitution was fixed when it was adopted? Or does he believe, as do a majority of current justices, that there is a living Constitution? Does he believe in the protection of rights not mentioned in the Constitution, such as privacy and its protection for such rights as access to contraception and abortion? Undoubtedly, Roberts will try to sidestep questions that might generate opposition. But it is up to the Democrats to insist on answers to these and similar questions. The Constitution creates no presumption in favor of presidential nominees for the Supreme Court. President Bush undoubtedly chose Roberts because of Roberts’ conservative views. The Senate needs to know these views before deciding whether to confirm him.
It is impossible to overstate the importance of this seat on the Supreme Court. In the last few years, Justice O’Connor has been the fifth vote in 5-4 decisions to strike down laws restricting access to abortion, to uphold federal campaign finance laws, to allow colleges and universities to take actions to ensure diversity, to invalidate death sentences for ineffective assistance of counsel and to limit the presence of religious symbols on government property. Roberts has the chance to change the law in all of these crucial areas.
Roberts is 50 years old. If he remains on the high court until he is 85, the current age of Justice John Paul Stevens, he will be there until the year 2040. The Senate and the American people need to know what they’re getting in Roberts. Senate Democrats should ask probing and detailed questions and make clear: no answers, no confirmation.
Sometimes it’s important to fight, even to a loss. That’s how one LEARNS how to fight even better next time. I know damned well that this is a fight the Senate Democrats must make, because we’re all going to be looking into those blue eyes for the next thirty years.
note: Find a good overview of recents stories and posts about the nomination from How Appealing and an overview of the Judge’s record from People for the American Way
I definitely think people should make clear to the 7 Democratic moderates that we don’t appreciate their giving a go-ahead for this nominee. I think they were able to move the candidate a little tiny bit to the center, but above all we need to debate the issues that ANY Republican judge is going to effect.
Regular American folks need to understand what O’Connor’s vote meant. And they should be angry when they realize they have empowered the Shiavo crew as well as the robber baron crew.
Be bold Boo, you’ve heard from your focus group. Front-Page this beauty. Tx.
“I live in the Managerial Age, in a world of ‘Admin.’ The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see the final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state OR THE OFFICE OF A THOROUGHLY NASTY BUSINESS CONCERN.” — C.S. Lewis
The “Corporate Era” bears fruit with a government of CorporaCANS and CorporaCRATS.
Who has the courage to confront such a beast?
Who has the wisdom to recognize the path to take? And who has the skill and courage to take us down that path?
TAMPOPO !!!
YOU are that pathfinder we so desperately need.
Oh my friend – did you hear my laugh?
I get lost so easily…calling out “Follow me – I know the way!”…is…beyond imagination.
But I love ideas and analyzing and thinking. I take actions when able.
The fear in me grows. I am grateful to be in the company of those here.
This diary and your comment about the new face of evil reminds me of this song:
Smiling Faces Sometimes
Smiling faces sometimes pretend to be your friend
Smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within
Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don’t tell the truth, huh
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof
The truth is in the eyes
Cause the eyes don’t lie, amen
Remember a smile is just
A frown turned upside down
My friend let me tell you
Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don’t tell the truth, huh
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof
Beware, beware of the handshake
That hides the snake
I’m telling you beware
Beware of the pat on the back
It just might hold you back
Jealousy (Jealousy)
Misery (Misery)
Envy
I tell you, you can’t see behind smiling faces
Smiling faces sometimes they don’t tell the truth
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof
Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don’t tell the truth
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof
(Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes)(2 x’s)
I’m telling you beware, beware of the handshake
That hides the snake
Listen to me now, beware
Beware of that pat on the back
It just might hold you back
Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don’t tell the truth
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof
Your enemy won’t do you no harm
Cause you’ll know where he’s coming from
Don’t let the handshake and the smile fool ya
Take my advice I’m only try’ to school ya
—The Undisputed Truth
great post. so let me get this. after you work, and you go to school, you come home and whip this out?
impressive.
and thanks!
renee
LOL … yup. Benefit of not having much else to do!
I don’t think Roberts is going to be all that bad. He isn’t anyone I’d want a Democratic president to nominate, mind you, but given that it’s Dubya doing the nominatin’, I think we actually dodged a bullet here. I don’t believe he is going to be any more right wing than Sandra Day O’Connor, in fact, and may very well take over her role as a swing vote.
Where do I get this? Well, to start with I posted yesterday that I saw a “ray of hope”:
And a few minutes ago, I heard a story on NPR’s Morning Edition that bolstered that hope. It’s the first long story of the program, after the news roundup–listen, if you get a chance this morning, to the exchange between Roberts and Rehnquist (whom I despise). The way Roberts quickly responded to Rehnquist’s question about “mental torture” of prisoners gives me a lot more hope about the guy.
Bottom line: we have pretty much no chance of getting anyone better if we defeat Roberts, and a great chance of getting someone worse. Let him slide by, and save our energy for the next appointment (hard to imagine that Rehnquist will stick around more than three years).
-Alan
not bad? guess you don’t have a uterus. 11% of the court is female if robbers gets appointed, whereas 53% of us americans be female.
and suppose you’re wrong and the bullet you think you dodged ends up in my abdomen???
NPR?
total corp propaganda. NPR is so 20th century.
i don’t mean to be cheeky here. i like you a lot. but robbers is not, “not so bad”. stay away from the soma. oppose all republican nominees at all times.
and please kill your FM radio.
Well, I definitely disagree with you strongly about NPR, but then I’ve been a financial supporter of our local NPR station for the last several years (probably won’t be able to this year, though, as I am seriously financially strapped until I finish school next May).
As for Roberts, I just want to reiterate that I would consider him a horrible nominee if it had been coming from Clinton or another Democrat. But we have to face reality: this nominee is going to come from George W. Bush, whether we like it or not. Should we filibuster all his nominees? Then what happens should a Democrat win in ’08–you think he or she will sweep into office with such a mandate as to get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate? Not gonna happen. So I think, first of all, we would we be rolling the dice and likely coming up short with a worse replacement if Roberts were somehow to be defeated.
And just as importantly, since politics inherently deals with public opinion, to “oppose all Republican nominees at all times” would mean that we wouldn’t be able to get the public’s attention when there is a particularly bad nominee. Look at Bolton–his nomination has been effectively stymied, and for good reason. Had Dems opposed every appointment at every level with the same vigour (were that even possible), their opposition to Bolton would have just faded into the noise.
And btw, I like you too. Good that we can disagree without being disagreeable and all that…
Please check out some of the links I put into the piece. He’s not so benign as the media keeps insisting he is. He was part of the legal effort in the Reagan White House during Iran/Contra. He was part of the Starr investigation. He’s written amicus briefs (or at least seems to have) along w/ his wife’s anti-abortion group. He’s got REALLY troubling ideas about the power of law enforcement.
What I was trying to get at is all of the emphasis on these cultural symbols indicates to me a wish to HIDE what he is, while communicating to the right that he’s ONE OF THEM.
just a little bit
just a little bit
sockitomesockitomesockitome
re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re
respect
(sorry, couldnt resist–clearly got that old R&B in mind today).
Im with Slacker on this one. You are dreaming if you believe putting up major opposition to Roberts will somehow work in our favor. Unless we find he’s got illegal nannies tending to Dave and Little Ricky, or something else in the closet, its a done deal, in this humble observer’s opinion.
The Republicans have managed to occupy the White House for 28 of the preceding 40 years (counting the current term in full). They now have a majority in both houses of Congress.
The entire country has moved to the right, yes even including our Dear Leaders, who will help confirm Roberts. The Supreme Court fairly accurately reflects this rightward tilt, however much I lament its reality.
The solution is not to whine on about this nominee. They get him in just like we got Breyer and Ginsburg in.
Our solution is to find the keys to future electoral success with issues that will resonate with the voting majority over a similarly long term, lead by good,charismatic, SMART and TRUE political leadership which can somehow manage to keep its dick zippered once back in the “O” office. Howard Dean is a good start, although probably not electable, alas, in the current climate.
Only when we regain the WH and Cap Hill will we be able to remodel the court as we like.
Going bonkers over Roberts will not help us resonate across this once great land of ours. Self defeating in fact. The mighty righties are preemptively tipping their hand on this account.
They see an opportunity to both get their nominee confirmed AND score points if our Dear Leaders overreach in opposition. They are positively drooling over the possibility that we will make a Custer-like stand here. NOW THAT is an example of self perpetuating winning political vision.
Lets learn from them, and not be unrealistic on this one. Please.
The Republicans have managed to occupy the White House for 28 of the preceding 40 years (counting the current term in full). They now have a majority in both houses of Congress.
Why did that happen? B/C an entrenched an corrupt Democratic Party (rembember Rostenkowski, anybody?) was slowly replaced by a bunch of pale, wan shadows of the Republicans.
I keep hearing “this is a conservative country?” Really? Solid majorities support universal health care, abortion rights and raising the minimum wage. Over half the population doesn’t vote, and they don’t vote because NEITHER party speaks to their concerns. Activist who do so and try to get them involved are blocked in everyway possible by the entrenched powers of both parties.
I’m so fucking sick of this pathetic DLC distortion of the world.
How is pointing out what he believes “going bonkers?”
Pathetic.
You want to learn from them? When I was a kid, in the ’60s, the John Birch Society wing of the Republican Party were the lunatic fringe. They kicked, they screamed. Richard Viguerie pioneered the use of direct mail campaign to push out right-wing talking points and agitprop. Fringe Religious leaders like Pat Robertson launched television networks and eventually ran for office themselves, pushing extremism more and more into the daily political conversation. THAT’S why you think this is a “conservative country”, because they’ve SWAMPED the media with their words and images for several decades!
At first, some of the old Rockefellar and Eisenhower Republicans fretted and told them to quiet down. You know what happened to them? They either came around or THEY WERE RETIRED!
Do you KNOW the political history of the last 50 years?
What has the Democratic Party done with our passionate wing? Party leaders adopt REPUBLICAN talking points to describe them. Party leaders call them “special interests”, just like the Republicans do. Party leaders pick a new pariah to “Sister Souljah” in every election. Party leaders ignore the pleas of the CBC for their constituents to get justice.
Do you REALLY want to learn from them? REALLY? If you really did, you’d be THRILLED when NARAL protested. You’d be THRILLED when civil rights activists protest in front of the Supreme Court. You’d be THRILLED when the passionate left opened up the political coversation a little more our way.
That you’re not thrilled makes me wonder if it isn’t the country that’s “conservative” but rather YOU who is a conservative. Perhaps, like Clinton, a Rockefellar Conservative who wants to take over the Democratic Party after you were driven from the Republicans. Perhaps not, but I’m increasingly suspicious of the beliefs of people who ALWAYS council not fighting. There seems to NEVER be a time to fight, always a time to skulk about, saying nice things with eyes cast down as the debate shifts further and further right.
I make you uncomfortable? GOOD. I take that as a sign I’m doing something right.
When I was a kid, in the ’60s, the John Birch Society wing of the Republican Party were the lunatic fringe.
yes, I never thought I’d see the day when people like Orrin Hatch were considered “moderate” Republicans.
I am talking pure political strategery here, not at all diagreeing with the sentiments you have expressed.
I am not DLC. I am not even D, actually. I am way more to the left than that. If you honestly think this country, both Dems and Repubs alike, has not moved to the right during the past 40 years, you are fooling yourself very much, or you simply weren’t there then and don’t know any better.
In my view, the left essentially pooped itself out fighting the then-reigning liberal Democrats (as in LBJ Admin), who made disastrous political and economic decisions on Vietnam, a prolonged and very expensive war that helped fuel the economic misery of the 70s ( a misery far worse than anything we have faced since, by the way, remember stagflation?) and radicalized a youthful left movement (far more ACTIVE if I say so myself than anything offered by todays pale left wing, to use your term).
Thus, the converging phenoma of (a) widespread economic distress in the 70s laid neatly on the Dems doorstep by (no other way to put it) a masterful politican named Reagan(b) a radicalized left exhausted by years of successful antiwar struggle essentially evaporated like the Mayans into the jungle(c)a self indulgent baby boom generation of sellouts who basically lost their youthful ideals somewhere inside a package of Pampers (we all know who we really are) became enamored of the stock market and economic growth of the 80s, are really to blame for the demise of liberal democrats.
If you want to place blame on individuals, Rostenkowski scores far below Clinton, in my view. Clinton’s own inability to keep his dick zippered is the single most important reason for Gore’s loss in 2000. We probably wouldnt even be arguing about this stuff today, if big Willie just whacks off in the dark for a few more years until safely retired.
We MUST match the Republicans intelligently (not in what we believe but in how we WIN)when it comes to playing politics, something unfortunately only the above mentioned Clinton among recent Dems has been very successful doing. We must control our emotions and pick our battles correctly, and in my humble view, this is not the one worth fighting. All I’m saying.
Also, your description of the lunatic fringe in the 60s, John Birch, Robertson,Viguerie, et al, sort of proves my point about the country moving right. These formerly rightwing loonies have been mainstream for 20 some odd years now.
Good rant though.
was the key to the odious Clinton boomers moving in to take over. The left had started concentrating on fighting in the courts and through the regulatory agencies. Leftist voices have been all but silent in the political conversation for a generation.
My point is a strong & loud activist wing committed to rapid change gives a center committed to gradual change room to move. That’s what the right has done so brilliantly.
Again, I don’t buy that the country has “moved right”. The political VOCABULARY has moved right, since the left has been frozen out by the corporate media and a Democratic Party beholden to those same corporations.
Again, a majority of Americans want progressive government. Or, I should say, thanks to the relentless hammering from the right, they want progressive government FOR THEMSELVES, but NOT for those other “lazy” or “immoral” Americans, groups that the right has so successfully demonized.
We’re talking past each other, I’m afraid. I think you’re wrong on tactics, because what you’re recommending is what we’ve been doing for nearly 20 years, and we’ve done nothing but LOST influence in the government.
Let us loose, and quit telling us to be quiet. We can help, really.
And that’s a problem in itself. True progressivism in a rich country like ours is selfless, not selfish, as I argued in my personal favourite of all the diaries I’ve written.
-Alan
I recognize that madmen arent required to explain themselves or even make sense, but lets have another go if you are willing.
“Rostys corruption led to the odious Clinton boomers taking over.” Please expand on that statement. And “odious” is a bit excessive, no? In my view, Clinton won because he was smart, charismatic and able to carry a southern state or two because, well, because he is southern, DLC and because the country HAS moved right (there I go again).
Your statements about the left concentrating on the courts and regulatory agencies, and leftist voices being silent. What the hell does that mean? You are pro bureaucracy and believe the courts will somehow be the panacea? Sure, after we retake the WH and Cap Hill the courts may be a panacea
If you are going to play the media blame game, which is a very shopworn excuse that reminds me more of Rush Limbaugh propoganda than actual intelligent analysis, then there we are REALLY talking past each other.
Your second paragraph makes good sense to me. But its just wishful thinking. Where is the loud and committed left now? Thats my point. There isnt one and dont blame THEM for that,too, please. Lets take some responsibility for ourselves here.
A loud and committed left, in my view, would be marching thousands on the WH, on cap Hill and elsewhere protesting this ruinous “war on terror”, working to end voter disenfranchisement, working on behalf of the most exploited among us.
A few good tear gassings, a few televised busted heads, a few deaths even ( as in the sixties), and believe me, the media would be paying serious attention and soon be moralizing like hell against this war to the people in the middle who may start to admire that type of loud commitment, and who knows, they might even swing back left a bit when they see their kids on TV getting the hell beat out of them by the police.
Thats pretty much what happened during Vietnam, in case you don’t recall. It took years of often violent struggle for the then mainstream (yes) liberal democratic establishment to turn against their own war.
Because there is no loud and committed left out there willing to risk personal injury, possible ruin career potential, etc. you cannot honestly tell me the left has been silenced by outside forces, corporate media or rightwing government. Poppycock and simply weak excuse making again.
Your third paragraph just more of the same. Okay, the media is too conservative. So what. The media left or right doesnt run the country Madman and never has. The media are followers not leaders. Give them a story to follow, show them some courage and conviction in the face of overwhelming force, and they will be ours again.
“A majority of Americans want progressive government.” What does that mean exactly? And cite some polls or something(if you have them) which might help better substantiate this rather vague claim.
You are loose. No one, especially me, is holding us back. The media is not holding us back.
Aren’t our own fears of losing the easy comforts of our easy lives, and perhaps the unpleasant prospect of facing some nasty battles with the police, as well as the hatred of the average American among other unpleasantries which come along with REAL dissent, isnt it this thats really holding the Left back, Madman?
I am not telling you to be quiet. I am asking you to be politically intelligent so that we might win again sometime soon and put our agenda back into play as soon as possible.
I am telling you to urge us on with your compelling voice to focus our energy on battles worth fighting, ie the above mentioned “war on terror”, the environment, voting reform, immigration reform, end of poverty, etc.
John Roberts or a rough equivalent was predestined for the Supreme Court. That battle was already lost at the polls in 2004. Make him accountable yes. Force him to the center yes, make him squirm on camera, yes.
Risk losing even more public support over an unwinnable confirmation battle? No.
You write with great passion and and I believe you are correctly frustrated by the lack of a loud,large and committed left in this day when one would be so helpful.
So am I.
I sad the left HAD started to rely … HAD, as in “in the past.”
Large protests against the war happened. Remember them. A HUGE protest happened last summer, remember that? Other than Rep Nadler, I don’t remember hearing the Dems in DC fighting for the protesters who’d been unlawfully arrested. Michael Moore hasn’t exactly been quiet. In fact, there have been a lot of active voices, UNTIL Kerry won the nomination. The word went out to tone it down, and the left did. Most of the GOTV efforts were pursued by independent leftist groups, with little help from the party.
The media is a problem. Over a million women marched for women’s health care in DC last year. Who did you see on the cable and national news programs? The small number of abortion protesters.
We plainly will not find common ground on this, and plainly your side is in control. We’ll see how well that works out.
I’m willing to bet it doesn’t.
My side is your side. Our side. Snide insinuations on your part about my allegiance are just petty and churlish, as well as unenlightening.
You must be spending too much time at that OTHER website, which features similar tactics to squash any real debate. I wonder if you are really posting to advance a debate or just to collect more smooches on your rear end? I truly pray this is the wrong place for that….
Look. The Democratic Party and the American Left are in tatters. There are no real national leaders worth a shit(yet).There is no message except oppose the victors. We must get beyond that defensive, defeatist attitude or we will always be just as we define ourselves… defensive and defeated.
The Republicans built a groundswell in the hinterlands starting 40 + years ago. I believe we are beginning to do the same. Democrats actually GAINED statehouse seats across the country in 2004.
There are other positive signs:
Voter disenfranchisement has ended and Democrats have taken back one statehouse in Oregon after a successful ballot initiative to make precinct polling (a historically heinous system right up to the present) obsolete. Republicans vehemently oppose the Oregon system, and with good reason.
Voter participation in Oregon has shot up in the recent elections following, and shot up stratospherically in local races there. Many states allow ballot initiatives. Just a few victories in this regard could be enough to tilt the WH and Senate in OUR favor. Then we can resume nominating and confirming our own Justices. Resume proactivity versus reactivity.
I know the Green Party has led in trying to get ballot initiaves in other states. Dems? A large number of them ALSO oppose the Oregon system, strangely enough. Well, its not necessarily kind to incumbents of either party, is why, in my humble opinion.
Sorry, but marching for womens health care is just not a riveting issue to enough people, and so the media doesnt cover.
Also sorry that you chose not to back up your earlier stated assertions with any detail.
And let me state to you again. The media is not the problem. It is the (admittedly flawed) messenger.
As in all things human, what we see in the mirror is the true problem.
well, as to backing up my assertions — it is clear that we interpret what the country went to in different ways. We have different focuses. What “facts” could I offer that would satisfy you? Demanding “proof” of something that is, at its base, and interpretation of history is a way of denying an opinion. I’m not a historian. I’m an amateur writer and former philosophy student. I look for patterns. You don’t like my patterns … well, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I agree that there are positive signs, but women’s health is only one part of a general trend by BOTH parties to surrender large chunks of citizens’ freedoms in order to satisfy the demands of money and power.
One of the biggest protests EVER in the Mall in Washington was the March for Women’s Lives in April of ’04.
How many of those pictures did you see when it was happening?
They, and the people who supported them who couldn’t go, know that this freedom is just one target in a campaign to restrict ALL of our freedoms. It is no coincidence that Roberts has a history of supporting authoritarian police tactics and the primacy of property rights over the impact on surrounding citizens. It’s all of a piece.
Fair enough. Proof of statements and assertions would include a more detailed explanantion, citing sources, etc.
I am not in disagreement with you about Roberts. I am not happy that Bush will be most likely making multiple Supreme Court nominations, and that this one will take the court more to the right.
Remember the Bork hearings, in 1986? Big victory for liberal democrats right?
Well, just after, in 1987, the Senate confirmed Scalia 98-0.
Subsequently, Republicans got a clear PR boost (at the very least galvanising their right wing, maybe in fact the seminal event) from the bloody, and ultimately moot, battle over Bork.
They are still getting mileage out of it.
And we still have Scalia.
In light of all that, I ask you, who really won the Bork battle?
Look to the future my friend. Lets figure out how to get back on top and use our energies and passion thusly.
Good chatting with you. Keep up the good fight.
was that we SURRENDERED after the Bork battle. The right screamed, the Dems said, “oh gee, maybe we DID go too far.”
They should of said, “We did what was right and necessary, and we’d do it again!” Instead, they caved on Scalia, who was every bit as bad as Bork.
You said it yourself: the GOP puts up “stealth” conservatives, so they can kind of whisper to their base, without offending the swing voters. That’s why Bush doesn’t actually attend antiabortion rallies, why he talks of a “culture of life” instead of actually talking about overturning Roe v. Wade. The GOP has learned to take care of their base quietly and judiciously most of the time. They know that it’s what happens behind the scenes that matters more than the face they show to the public. I’m not sure a lot of Democratic activists have learned that lesson.
-Alan
but they are able to do that because they’ve got a loud attack wing to make it possible.
When’s the last time you heard a Republican say the Roberts or Falwell “doesn’t speak for me”? Not even after that horrible thing they said right after 9/11.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, b/c I think the genii is out of the bottle. The left is only going to get louder, and if the party keeps attacking it, only the party will be damaged.
whine? is that how you categorize my concern?
that Roberts coauthored an amicus brief (full text here) in an abortion-related case where there was no government involvement.
Roberts argued on behalf of plaintiffs including extremist Jayne Bray, wife of the Rev. Michael Bray. As I commented at LSF last night, Mike Bray serves as “chaplain” to the Army of God and authored a book, A Time to Kill, which sets forth the proposition that it is a godly act of love to murder people like me.
Jane Roberts’ FFLA also supported Bray et al. with a separate amicus curiae brief. The text is can be found on the site of the Feminism and Nonviolence Studies Association, who wouldn’t have felt it necessary to post a disclaimer of involvement with antiabortion violence at the top of the page, did they not acknowledge the murderous nature of the Brays’ “ministry.”
deserves another. 🙂
Look what I found at In the Pink Texas, where the irrepressible “John Cornyn’s Box Turtle” keeps us from jumping off a cliff in despair.
that is hillarious.
First off, realistically, I don’t think we’re going to stop Roberts. Given his personal family history, I think it’s obvious he’s going to vote to strike down Roe – he and his wife are not only devout Catholics, but they adopted two kids because they were unable to have kids of their own. I’m also even more concerned about his interpretation of the commerce clause and how he gives the appearance of wanting to pull out the rug from under the entire framework of our environmental laws.
Having said that, I have a certain amount of hope that over time he will be one of those justices that start out conservative but evolve into something better. Why? Because I think that same strong Catholic background can be used to erode his conservatism over time.
How can I say that? Isn’t Scalia a devout Catholic? Yes, but Scalia has such a big ego that his mind is made up on all issues and he sees only those aspects of both the RC Church and the Constitution that bolster his worldview. Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t pick up that big ego and narrow-mindedness from Roberts.
I don’t think we’re going to change his views on abortion, but that same “respect for life” might be used to swing his votes away from the perspective of big business on (for example) environmental issues to a more “pro-life” environmental stance (using the “seamless garment” argument, for those of you up on your Catholic theology). We would need for someone like a prominent bishop to have a quiet, secret, heart-to-heart with him on the theology behind the Church’s positions on environmental (and social) issues, or maybe even just send him a copy of the encyclical JPII put out on the environment (and unrestrained capitalism). We need influential Catholic liberals to “lobby” his confessor. He seems like an intelligent person, from all accounts, and should be open to reason (maybe kicking and screaming at first, but erodable over time).
After all, once he’s approved he has no one to answer to but God (in his mind). I suspect that’s why even though 7 of the 9 current justices were put on the court by Republicans we still manage to have issues break our way by 5-4 votes – being put in that position, IMHO, with that responsibility, will make anyone with an open mind and a conscience (again, that would exclude Scalia) tend to the left over time.
So color me pessimistic over the damage he’ll contribute to in the short term, but more hopeful than I expected to be that he will drift to the left, at least somewhat, over time. We might even be able to help the process along. And since we’ll probably be stuck with him for 35 years, I sure as hell hope I’m right.
Excellent analysis. I’d just piggyback on that by pointing out that to throw everything we have at him now will most likely make it harder for liberal Catholics to “lobby” him–he’ll be more likely to just reflexively oppose anything liberals want if they run him through the wringer. Which could, come to think of it, explain why Clarence Thomas–another former stooge–should also be excluded, along with his idol Scalia, from the “open mind and conscience” club. Not that I’m saying Thomas didn’t deserve everything he got and then some; they just should have made sure to actually defeat him after embittering him, kwim?
-Alan
please, please, please be nice to us.
Pathetic. The Catholic Church is increasingly in the hands of wingers. Scalia IS in step w/ the Vatican.
Like sheep … look at the real world, and not this imaginary “reasonable” universe … that world died.
But look, clean water is no big deal, neither is clean air, global warming, alternative energy and all the cutting edge, progressive ideas on environmental protection. What is soooo important is protecting the Bush White House, Republican America, multi-nationals and corporations. [/sarcasm]
Okay, I’m trying not to get furious here. But that’s tough, because it sure sounded like you were implying that my priorities include “protecting the Bush White House, Republican America, multi-nationals and corporations.” Surely that’s not what you meant…right?
-Alan
Those are the priorities of the Bush White House. Your priorities are to find a gleam of hope here and I admire you for it. I am skeptical but at the same time there are always those surprises ahead, maybe even pleasant ones.
I’m actually shocked that environmental concerns get such a low priority in political discussions, but that’s just me.
Did you notice how his smiles and his wife’s smiles were more like grimaces? He looks like all the con men I have ever run into that will smile politely while they pick your pocket. I have seen some “preachers” with that smile, while they are getting money for just hanging around telling others how to act, without really caring about anyone.
It’s sorta reptilian, without passion or feeling…
But, maybe I’m just being weird…
I know what you mean–but who is he conning? I’m not so sure it’s not his putative masters…but we’ll see.
-Alan
Recommended and I wrote to my Senator this early A.M., Boxer because she is usually so vocal and has been very silent on both Roberts and Rove. I have reached a point that given this administrations track record for telling the truth, I don’t believe anything they present to me. I think this nominee is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and has been “groomed” for this role for over twenty years. Just as W was. Who is really in charge of this country?
I say the dems come out full blast on this one and say they will consider Roberts if and when Rove is fired and then we will see what their real priorities are…the present or the next 30 years.
I agree completely, as we are being sold down the river by our own on this, for the moment.
Hopefully some of the Dems will gather some backbone, and dig a lil’ deeper.
They played this one like a Hallmark theatre production, and prime time as well.
n/t
as always. I want to agree very much with everybody here, but it’s hard to take sides on some things I just don’t know how to react. My emotional response is usually ‘let’s fight this!’ while my reasonable response is ‘why can’t we all get along?’ Does it make me a fool to want to believe? Yes, I think you’re right – a republican fool. Of course listening to your heart is always the right thing. I’ll be on the barricades…
it’s hard to face how extreme this administration is, especially since they’re so adept at playing up cultural symbols of “normality”. It produces a cognitive dissonance, and disarms people.
In dangerous times, I think it’s best to follow your instincts.
The first questions he asks are about physical fitness.
Salon.com (free daypass if you watch an ad)
http://tinyurl.com/7nrq9
(my emphasis)
Well, thank God we now know he’s not some sissy wind-surfer! <snark> He’s a jogger, just like GWB.
will be sure to vote against
minority rights
equal opportunity
women’s reproductive rights
endangered species
protecting the environment
etc.
Bush asks inane, irrelevant questions all the while
skulldugger Rove is phoning the rabid right wing
to assure them Roberts is their guy.
Thank you for this diary.
I believe the greatest danger Roberts poses on the court isn’t to Roe v. Wade — or rather, that’s not the biggest risk right in the immediate future. Roe is a hot issue, and too valuable to the Republicans to mobilize their base. They aren’t ready to overturne Roe… not yet.
The real danger from a man like Roberts on the Supreme Court is on all those other cases, that won’t hit the news until they’re done and decided. The neocons have a long laundry list of agenda items. What if the Patriot Act’s more loathsome violations of the Fourth Amendment are challenged all the way up the line? What about a case like Schiavo happening again? What about the slavish adherence to the letter of the law (No eating on the Metro, not even so much as one french fry!) versus its spirit, versus compassion and common sense? What about the rights of the prisoners at Gitmo to due process and being treated as human beings? What about the authority of federal regulatory agencies (those that have any spine left once the Republican appointees get done with them) over corporations’ plea for profits, on matters of environmental issues, worker safety, pension plans, benefits, consumer safety… the use of government or corporate power to trample the rights of individuals. And so on.
I recognize that we may not have the votes for a filibuster — not unless something nasty comes out in the hearings. But not even the argument “the president should get who he wants…” holds water when it comes to a man who will be in office decades after Bush is gone. As Armando is fond of saying, the SCOTUS is extraordinary.
The Democrats are the opposition party and we owe it to the American people and the writers of the Constitution to examine the nominee’s qualifications and suitableness for the job — and if he’s not suitable, we should jolly well OPPOSE him, even if we lose. I don’t care if they call us obstructionist — it’s about time SOMEBODY was obstructionist, dammit. There’s no percentage in compromise here. There’s no advantage to progressives, to liberals, nor to the Democratic party to just sit back and say, “Well, it could be worse…” Yes, it could. But that’s no reason to give Roberts a free pass. I’d rather see us put up one hell of an opposition and lose than not fight at all.
This is one of the reasons I’m cautiously optimistic about Roberts. In the only case I’ve heard of that he was involved with regarding prisoner abuse (and please, let me know if there are more), he was arguing that the prisoner’s Eighth Amendment rights were being violated, and that in a hypothetical case involving something like pretending to play Russian roulette, that would also violate the Eighth Amendment. That goes a long way with me.
-Alan
well said
We’ve been fighting against that ever since Reagan. I suggest that Bush looked at the failure of his previous nominees and decided that he didn’t need to pick a moderate, he needed to pick someone who could charm the socks off of people. That is how Rice got through easily; she could charm the socks off of people (except for Boxer and Kerry, of course).