"The Iranian penetration of Iraq was a long time in planning” (Michael Ware, Time, Aug. 14, 2005)
On Sept. 9, 2002, with U.S. bases being readied in Kuwait, Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei summoned his war council in Tehran. According to Iranian sources, the Supreme National Security Council concluded, "It is necessary to adopt an active policy in order to prevent long-term and short-term dangers to Iran." Iran’s security services had supported the armed wings of several Iraqi groups they had sheltered in Iran from Saddam.
Iranian intelligence sources say that the various groups were organized under the command of Brigadier General Qassim Sullaimani, an adviser to Khamenei on both Afghanistan and Iraq and a top officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps." Ware
"Brigadier General Sullaimani ordained in a meeting of his militia proxies in the spring of last year that "any move that would wear out the U.S. forces in Iraq should be done. Every possible means should be used to keep the U.S. forces engaged in Iraq."" Ware
"Secret British military-intelligence documents show that British forces are tracking several paramilitary outfits in Southern Iraq that are backed by the Revolutionary Guard. Coalition and Iraqi intelligence agencies track Iranian officers’ visits to Iraq on inspection tours akin to those of their American counterparts." Ware
Michael Ware is the best of the reporters working now in Iraq. His "reach" into the world of the coalition forces as well as that of the insurgents is impressive.
MORE BELOW:
There has been a kind of coalition of silence in the world of the American media with regard to the obvious and growing influence of Iran in the Iraq of today. Most of the media are holed up in hotels in Baghdad afraid for their lives and happily collecting their hazardous duty bonuses while they wait for their "tour of duty" to end. Their principal sources of information have been coalition forces and embassy PR officals. These officials inevitably project the viewpoint of the US Government at the moment of discussion.
Until recently it has been the "received wisdom" of the US Government that Iraqi Shia are Iraqis first and always, and Shia in the same way that Americans are Presbyterians or Baptists. In other words, the US establishment, taking its clue from the US Government has maintained that Iraqi Shia would never let themselves be dominated by Iran because the Iranians are Persians and the Iraqi Shia are Arabs and never the two shall identify with each other. It has also been maintained that Iraqi Shia (and Sunnis) are so universally secular that they would "never" accept a theocratic state in Iraq, and most especially one aligned with Tehran.
What a crock!! First of all, the idea that you would accept as true the unverified statements of a group about themselves, (any group) is ludicrous. People lie about such matters to outsiders with great dependability. They are especially prone to lying about themselves when they perceive that they are talking to the gullible (us). Secondly, anyone who knows anything about the pre-war Shia population of Iraq knows that they were deeply divided between those who were secular and felt themselves primarily Iraqi (many of these were members of the Baath) and those who were always primarily Shia in loyalty and who resisted the influence of Iraqi nationalism. Many of these people went into exile in Iran and actually fought against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War.
NOW. They’re Back!!!
Why did the US propagate the patent untruth of Iraqi Shia independence of spirit? Ask the Jacobins. It suited their purposes. Now this tissue of delusion and falsehood is collapsing.
Who will pay the price?
Pat Lang
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Jacobins, not Jacobites
I am asked what “Jacobins” might be —
“In the context of the French Revolution, a Jacobin originally meant a member of the Jacobin Club (1789-1794). But even while the Club still existed, the name of Jacobins had been popularly applied to all promulgators of extreme revolutionary opinions; “Jacobin democracy” for example is synonymous with totalitarian democracy. In contemporary France this term refers to a centralistic conception of Republic, with a lot of power vested in the national government, at the expense of local governments.” Wikepedia – The Free Encyclopedia
In the present context, I think, (as do others) that this is a more accurate description of the group of people who are variously called; “neocons,” “Vulcans,” “neo-imperialists,” etc.
These people do not want anyone to think of them as a group, much less describe them as a group. They react with hostility to the term, “neocon,” often playing the “anti-semite” card as Eliot Cohen did with me once, saying that this was code for “foreign policy Jew.”
Nevertheless, I think the Jacobin tag is useful in understanding them because they are not, in fact, conservative as John Adams or Margaret Thatcher would have understood the term. Rather, they are radical revolutionaries descended more or less directly from the thinking of the radicals of the French Revolution through European influence in the 20th century. They strongly believe in the use of force and cunning in forging a dominant role for the US in world affairs. They believe in strong central government at the expense of the states and are not terribly concerned with citizen rights if they think such rights interfere with their “larger” goals. They have a simplistic belief in the universal curative powers of “pure” democracy which the framers of our constitution never entertained. It is for that reason that our constitution is carefully constructed to prevent the attainment of more than indirect power by the “masses.”
They are foreign policy oriented. Domestic conservative issues largely bore them unless the political “backblast” from failure to attain the goals of heartland conservatives is thought politically “dangerous.”
The best possible reason for not calling them “neocons” is that there is nothing conservative about them. The closest that one could get on that “tack” would be to call them radical right wing revolutionaries. pl
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I do not understand this analogy. Sort of calling myself illiterate to this kind of mind thought, I really want an education on your article, please.
I [so] respect your thoughts and production of things. I just happen to not understand completely what you are getting at to the degree that, if your premise is what it is said to be, then why would the shia be so willing to side with Iran?
I just happen to think that the southern shia are needing help and that Iran will do this job to get their hands on the populace so they can weasel into Iraq…I want to call it payback for the war between them and Iraq. [Or] is it the fact they want to increase their land grab and spread their presence throughout the region?
Thank you so very much for your being here to speak to us on this matter. Your expertise is greatly needed.
It’s a very long history that unites the Shia with their Persian (Iranian) … some snippets:
Susan, you and Oui are doing so much to educate here…Thanks for your insite and articles. I am beginning to understand clearer.
isn’t family history fun to find out? I find it amazing as to who they are and how they became who they are and why they became who they are. Their past is very interesting to say the least.
Maybe it’ll help to picture all three of us–Iraq, Iran, U.S.–as jostling around together in the same “house,” a house called Iraq. And, at the risk of being crude, everybody’s screwing everybody else. The ones who are getting the most screwed, however, are secular Iraqis in general, women and children in particular, and our military. Have I left anybody out?
I’m tending toward thinking of the country now as Iran-Iraq.
Where does this leave the Kurds?
So glad to have you on our Front page, Patrick Lang.
I know that of which you speak…I do know some french and wondered the same very thing…thank you for just saying it out right…I bet the US is getting the worst end of the relationship here. Oh well, we are so up and down on our positions these days with bush in control of this here…:o)
maybe that is it after all..gorilla in the region…US!!! they want us out of their region so badly that they are willing to do almost and probably anything to get it done.
After that when things get settled down and we leave..ha ha then they will do more harm than good to the region.
Wecome to Booman, Patrick, good to have you here and front paging. Very interesting article, thank you for that.
Looking forward to more postings.
If you have the time, stop by our Froggy Bottom Cafe, a regular feature of the site, where we just gather, wander in and out and just gab with each other.
Good place to drop a link to a new diary and I just did that with this diary for you…Again, Welcome, to the site.
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DREAMING OF BAGHDAD
What regime change means to the Iraqi Shia opposition.
by JON LEE ANDERSON
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Oui, I find that to be a very interesting article, indeed!!! Thank you so much for your insite to many things/issues here. I do read them and I want you to know this. Keep on keeping on in this and you are my hero for this..You and Susan [well as many others are, as well] are educating me in so many ways as to what is the reality of things are. One has to only open thine eyes and see what is in ones face to see the truth of/in things.
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We all pitch in and do our thing. I will never forget the warmth given by all upon my arrival @ BooMan’s Place. It must be a frog virus, for it’s pretty contagious.
Thanks Brenda and a big hug – I love the French style – joue à joue trois fois.
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I read an excellent long article in The New Yorker .. written within the past 2-3 months … but I’ll be damned if I can find it at the moment.
It goes into great detail on the LONG HISTORY between the Shia in Iraq and Iran … incl. the Iraq/Iran war … and the influence, if not domination, by Iranians in Southern Iraqi life.
The New Yorker piece also followed one Iraqi who — as you point out above — went to Iran and helped Shia during the Iran/Iraq war.
One thought that struck me as I read that article — and as I read your observations and quotes from Ware this morning — is why in the hell wouldn’t Iran ‘participate” (infiltrate) Iraqi politics as much as possible?
It makes all the sense in the world. Neighbors try to influence their closest neighbors, particularly with the “gorilla in the region,” the U.S.
If I were an Iranian or Iraqi, I’d be foremost worried about the gorilla, not my neighbors.
I read an excellent long article in The New Yorker .. written within the past 2-3 months … but I’ll be damned if I can find it at the moment.
It goes into great detail on the LONG HISTORY between the Shia in Iraq and Iran … incl. the Iraq/Iran war … and the influence, if not domination, by Iranians in Southern Iraqi life.
The New Yorker piece also followed one Iraqi who — as you point out above — went to Iran and helped Shia during the Iran/Iraq war.
One thought that struck me as I read that article — and as I read your observations and quotes from Ware this morning — is why in the hell wouldn’t Iran ‘participate” (infiltrate) Iraqi politics as much as possible?
It makes all the sense in the world. Neighbors try to influence their closest neighbors, particularly with the “gorilla in the region,” the U.S.
If I were an Iranian or Iraqi, I’d be foremost worried about the gorilla, not my neighbors.
I think what you say about;
goes to the heart of what Pat Lang was pointing out. Cheney and the neocons certainly knew Iran would be very active in seeking as much influence as possible in Iraq, but no way were they going to tell the US public about it. They needed us to think Iraqi’s were going to have complete sway there. This way, when it finally did become clear that Iranian influence was paramount, it would be one more way for the neocon thugs to demonize the Iranians; accusing them of interfering and taking advantage of Iraq’s fledgling attempt (haha) at democracy. In other words, the neocons, in effect, set us up to be disappointed, and are using, (or will use), this disappointment to weaponize our attitude against Iran.
And why do Cheney and his fellow “Jacobins” want us to see the Iranians as demons? Because they are planning to attack Iran as soon as they can figure out how they can create the pretext for doing so.
Iraq is only the “introduction” to this saga; Iran will be the first chapter.
Susan, I think this might be the New Yorker article you’re thinking about. It’s really a great historical account.
Actually, the article you’re thinking about might be the one referenced by “Oui” above, entitled Dreaming of Baghdad, linked again here for your convenience.
shows up at the same time that George War Bush is rattling the saber at Iran.
Convenient. I mean, just happens to provide a neat concise backstory about how evil those Iranian Shia, who have nothing in common with the Iraqi Shia, are…
Of course Iraqi Shia helped the Iranians in the Iraq-Iran war. And of course those same Shia are back in Iraq working against George War Bush.
Why no mention of Saudi involvement in the insurgency?
Odd about that,
eh?
interesting thought!!!!!!!!!
am I wrong on my thoughts here but in religion is there a difference there? All I am asking is to be come educated more.
What connection to the Saudis is there from Iran, if any?
I also found it interesting to knwo that thie man was and still is as far as I can determine, talking to Cheney and the Pentagon….STRANGE!!!!!!:o(
It only makes sense for Iran to interfere in Iraq and keep the USA bogged down there… same with the Syrians. The bushies argument that we “fight them there in order to not fight them here” works in a truer fashion for them then it does for us.
I also find your comparison of Iraqi Shia and Sunni to American Presbyterian and Baptist very interesting. Maybe not Presbyterian so much but the Evangelical and Baptists most definitely. It is clear today in the domestic “religio-culture” battles that the “fundagelicals” are fundagelicals first and citizens of the United States of America second. They are very clear that their interpretation of the bible comes first and The Constitution of the United States of America is an obstacle to be overcome and rewritten. They do not agree with The Constitution. They are very clear they want The Constitution overthrown.
They are fundagelicals first and Americans second.
I also like your comparison of the neo-cons to Jacobins. Especially getting a chuckle at the extension of calling them French! Your Jacobin tag is far more accurate. They are not quite fascists but are in the same neighborhood in their focus on concentrated power at the federal level and their disregard for citizens rights while in persuit of their power hungry goals. What has surprised me most about these very scary people is their incompetence. For such suppossedly brilliant people they are incredibly incompetent in constructing a realistic plan and executing it. They have played right into Iran’s hands and their lack of ability to learn the lessons of history has left them incapable of prosecuting their desires and fantasies against Iran.
Nearly all the major power players on the world stage today are devoted to authoritarianism as the preferred method of governance. They deny it, obviously, but the fact remains that, to a man, they’re perfectly willing to revoke any and all democratic freedoms and principles if such promised liberties slow the advancement of their own plans.
For the “neocons” this infatuation with authoritarianism dates back to the genesis of their current state, back when their founding ideologues were left-wing Trotskyites and, in some cases, fans of Leninist philosophy. They’ve retained their disdain, and to a certain degree their contempt for the common man’s ability to reason and understand, though now they have to pretend harder than they used to that they support and respect the rights of the public to participate in the decisionmaking processes of government.