[crossposted at DailyKos and My Left Wing]
Okay, before you all troll-rate me into oblivion, hear me out.
Last night, Keith Olbermann had Pat on his show to talk about the Cindy Sheehan Effect — how her efforts to talk to the President has possibly re-energized the anti-war effort.
BUCHANAN: …my feeling is that Cindy Crawford has ignited something at a particular moment, a movement, an antiwar movement. And I think it`s going to coalesce, and I think it`s going to grow. I think when the president comes back in September, some political figure in–probably in the Democratic Party is going to start giving voice to this idea, it`s time to bring the troops home, the way McGovern did, or Eugene McCarthy did in 1968.
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…some of the things she`s been saying are far left. I think the souffle has risen and fallen as far as Camp Casey goes. But as I say, I think she ignited the thing at a moment when Bush`s poll, I mean, the support for him as commander in chief, the bottom is falling out of that.
Secondarily, you`ve got General Casey saying, We`re going to have substantial withdrawals. You get these horrible casualties. It`s coming back in the news, and we`re coming back in the fall to Washington. I think all of these things, taken together, and you`re going to see a politicized antiwar movement looking for national leadership.
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Buchanan went into more detail in his Hardball blog:
…Nevertheless, in a slow news month, Sheehan has helped turn the focus of national debate back to the war at a moment of vulnerability for the President. According to Newsweek, support for Bush’s handling of the war has fallen below 40%, to 34%, with 61% now disapproving of his leadership. Put bluntly, the bottom is falling out of support for Bush as Commander-in-Chief. September could see the coalescing of an antiwar movement on the campuses and in public protests.
Why is this not good news for the Democratic Party?
Here’s why. Cindy Sheehan clearly has the courage of the liberal Democrats’ convictions. In their hearts, many of them never believed in this war in Iraq, though their leaders voted for it.
But now that Cindy Sheehan has put a face on the antiwar movement and given it a voice, liberal activists will demand to know where Hillary, Biden, Edwards, Kerry and Warner are, and why they are standing with Bush in support of the war and not standing beside Cindy Sheehan.
Why is no leader in the Democratic Party giving voice to the antiwar cause with the perseverance and passion of Cindy Sheehan? Why are they all hiding in the tall grass, or making statements about how they support the war and the troops, but just disagree with how Bush has managed it. If polls are to be believed, half the nation now agrees with Cindy Sheehan.
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…The problem for the Democrats is this: All their potential nominees — Hillary, Biden, Kerry, Edwards, Warner — supported the war in 2002. All support the war today. One day soon, a national Democrat, a Gene McCarthy, is going to break publicly with the DLC crowd and the party establishment on the Hill, stand up and say, “Enough! It’s time to bring the troops home.”
Buchanan sees a repeat of the Vietnam era, where the Democrats were split between the “stay the course” and the “bring the boys home” factions. And indeed, that could happen — we’re seeing a lot of objections to potential Democratic candidates based on their support of the war (we actually saw it in 2004 with Kerry’s flip-flopping).
It’s why it may be too early for anyone to be crowned a front-runner; too much else needs to be settled. If the troops are long gone from Iraq by 2008 (for example, if the Iraqis come up with a constitution and we begin pulling out after the constitution is ratified and takes effect), the impact of the Iraq war may be lessened in 2008; the American public’s short attention span won’t remember who was for the war and who was against. A lot can happen between now and 2008.
But if a Republican talking head can see the potential long-term impact of Cindy Sheehan’s actions, rather than just sitting back and launching scum bombs like the Limbaughs and O’Reillys of the media world, it would be wise for the Democrats to heed the lessons of Vietnam.
How cool is this! You found that transcript and wrote it up. I was very impressed with his remarks too.
Sure, he’s way off about some things and perhaps a racist … but he also makes a hell of a lot of sense sometimes. And I’ve always gotten a kick out of his laugh — it’s infectious. And, he’s still ostracized in D.C. for not going Neocon, right?
and hoped that someone would diary it. Seeing the Hardball blog was a plus.
I do think that the Democratic party may be headed for a split, but more on ideological issues (the “business as usual” crowd versus “time for a change” crowd); if we’re lucky, the Republicans will end up with a similar divide (traditional conservatives versus the Religious Reich). If we can work out the issues now, we can come together in 2008 stronger than ever…where I can’t see the Republicans working out any sort of split; look at the way the Religious Reich is vilifying their former St. Bill of Frist for changing his tune on stem-cells (could he be setting himself up as a leader of the “moderate” wing?).
Buchanan is a paleo-conservative and a staunch non-interventionist. He’s been opposed to this war from the outset, and has been one of the strongest voices against it. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?
He’s also rabidly anti-female and anti-gay.
Buchanan is “an America first” isolationist, which placed him squarely in the anti-Iraq war camp well before the war began. To his favor, he does appear to have a soft spot (perhaps his only one) for occupied peoples– whether they be Palestinian, Iraqi or Irish.
No Democrat who voted for the war gets my vote in the 2008 presidential elections. To vote for that war, knowing full well — as every intelligent, well-informed person did — that the premise was based on outright lies that did not even border on plausibility, demonstrates a craven cowardice and a degree unprincipled political opportunism that can only be interpreted as complete unfitness for elected office, especially the presidency. Period.
Of course, I shouldn’t have to worry about that if the Democratic Party has any brains at all — people whose entire political career has been spent in the legislature are, with very rare exceptions, unelectable. In the last hundred years, only one career legislator has been elected to the presidency: John F. Kennedy. And I think we can safely say that there is no one on the American political scene in either party with anything approaching that kind of charisma. Nominating a member of Congress to the presidential ticket is to surrender the election.
Give us a state governor, for crying out loud. Only governors and vice-presidents are consistently electable to the presidency, and unfortunately — or perhaps fortunately — we have already burned through all of the shadowy, lackluster individuals who have served as Democratic vice-presidents.
Have you diaried this? i’m like banging the table while I read this, E. Wow.
How about Schweitzer from Montana? He’s a real cowboy.
So help me god, if Kerry runs, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll … might as well vote for Ralph Nader because — as you say — we’ll lose.
Thank you. Diaried? No, but I did make a long post not too long ago in which I listed all of the presidents since 1900 by their previous jobs. When a president comes from the legislature without having served in the executive branch first — usually as a governor, sometimes as vice-president, and occasionally as a cabinet member or victorious general– it is really, really rare. Here’s the list:
McKinley — Governor of Ohio, House of Representatives
Roosevelt I — Vice President under McKinley, Governor of New York
Taft — Secretary of War, Governor-General of the Philippines
Wilson — Governor of New Jersey
Harding — Senator
Coolidge — Governor of Massachusetts
Hoover — Secretary of Commerce under Harding and Coolidge
Roosevelt II — Governor of New York
Truman — Vice President under Roosevelt II, Senate
Eisenhower — Supreme Allied Commander
Kennedy — Senator
Johnson — Vice President under Kennedy, Senate
Nixon — Vice President under Eisenhower
Ford — Vice President under Nixon
Carter — Governor of Georgia
Reagan — Governor of California
Bush I — Vice President under Reagan
Clinton — Governor of Arkansas
Bush II — Governor of Texas
It’s not just the Dems who have this electability blind spot — the Republicans handed us Clinton’s second term on a plate by running Senator Dole, for example. But someone in the party apparatus desperately needs to get a clue. To find many presidents from the legislative branch, you have to go back to the 19th century, and that’s because, when the republic was newly founded, there was no stock of state governors and vice-presidents to draw from, so they had to come from Congress. Even so, president number one was a victorious general, and ex-congresscritters were still a minority.
As for Schweitzer, I’ve liked what I’ve heard about him, though I haven’t heard enough to have much of an opinion yet. It did strike me that a liberal cowboy would be a nice ironic counterpoint to the current Retardlican cowboy and might appeal more to the Southern and Midwest voters we keep losing with soft-spoken, nuanced (and lately, tainted) New England senators.
And yes, if they run Kerry again, I too will take advantage of the sheer futility of it to vote my conscience, which will probably involve pencilling in Maryscott as a write-in candidate. 😉
there is not a Dem that voted for this war that will ever see my vote, period. I can hope that we have a Feinngold/Schweitzer ticket, just might make for a formidable ticket.
If Buchanan is so smart, why he call her “Cindy Crawford”?
Or is that smart like a fox?
If Buchanan is so smart, why he call her “Cindy Crawford”?
Because her name is Cindy and she went to Crawford? Just a guess. We’ve all done that.
Could’ve been a transcription error, or a typo, or both…or someone got distracted.
[BTW, I’ve never thought that Cindy Crawford was all that…Maryscott O’Connor, OTOH, could possibly get me to switch teams… 😉 ]