Cross-posted at Dailykos. But more importantly…This is my first BooTrib Diary! 🙂
It shouldn’t be a surprise. I mean, after all, people have had months to prepare. There’s no shortage of articles in the Internet about it.
And it’s for your own good. Just ask the guys who sponsored the legislation.
But that’s just it; come October, all minimum payments for credit cards must be quoted for a 10-year paydown. That’s roughly 4% of your outstanding balance.
Most credit cards quote the minimum payment for a 20-year paydown. That’s 2% of your outstanding balance.
Sur-prise, Surprise, Surprise!
It won’t be just college kids and retirees on fixed incomes who are sandbagged, either. Many small business owners use personal credit cards as cash flow management tools. Likewise persons who work for commission, or have seasonal cash streams (skilled and unskilled laborers, for example).
Banks are already budgeting for massive defaults, on the order of tens of thousands of cardholders. It might not be nearly enough.
It promises to be a nightmare for millions of surprised working- and professional-class families.
It also promises to be a nightmare for issuers of credit cards, because what is about to happen to the consumers could scare them out of using cards at all in the short run.
“Your Credit Card Payment Just Doubled”
From the outset, there seems to be question if banks really are doubling their rates at all. From what I have been able to tell, some people would prefer that cardholders be surprised — after the new bankruptcy laws become effective on October 17 of this year.
The reasons are not purely remunerative; some just like the idea of debtors being disciplined, which in fact is the purpose of the credit reforms.
The problem is that the reforms come simultaneously with a strengthening of the bankruptcy laws, insofar as creditors are concerned. And those who lend funds to those who want them are calling the shots this time around.
Steve Bucci, President of the Consumer Credit Counseling Service of New England, says…
What’s ‘just not true’ is that it’s a simple change from 2 to 4 percent. But your minimum payment most certainly is increasing by the end of the year.
Melody Warnick indicates that:
Big Banks anticipating Bankruptcies, Defaults
While rates are not mentioned, Bank of America does comment on charge-offs as resulting from the new bankruptcy law:
Provision for credit losses was $875 million, up from $580 million in the first quarter of 2005 and $789 million a year earlier.
This is the bank, the creditor, and they are losing money on the deal.
We get more details in the section for “Global Consumer and Small Business Banking:
The decline in earnings occurred because of an increase in provision expense due to increased credit card charge-offs. Also, included in this quarter’s provision was $210 million to establish a reserve for anticipated net charge-offs from additional minimum payment requirements for consumer credit cardholders, which will be implemented in the fourth quarter.
Revenues are up 5% but earnings are down 8% — almost all attributable to the $210MM reserve mentioned above.
This is going to hit people who like having good credit the worst.
On account they will do whatever it takes to keep up the payments, and keep their credit ratings golden. Some are feeling the bite already.
Susan Chandler and Ann Therese Palmer of the Chicago Tribune don’t seem to think it’s a big deal, which is interesting given the anecdote they lead with.
With two teenagers at home and a new business that pays him half what he once earned at Motorola Inc., Mundinger is writing checks for the smallest amount he can on each of the family’s three credit card bills.
So Mundinger, 46, is less than happy to hear that his minimum payments on about $9,000 of debt are almost certain to rise in coming months.
“That’s going to make our budget a lot tighter. We’re not taking vacations right now. We don’t eat out as much as we used to. My wife is working two jobs,” he said with a sigh. “I guess I’m going to have to cut back on going out completely–no more movies, no more restaurants, no more video rentals.”
1% Principal, plus Interest, plus Fees. Every Month, Please.
The article also describes a formula, in which creditors charge 1% principal + interest as the basis for the new minimum payment, which works out to about a 54% increase on $5,000 at 12% interest.
Some of the assumptions are questionable.
A May 2004 CardTrak Article describes that the average carded household carries a balance of $8,000.
An April 2004 article offers some additional nuggets:
Scott Reeves for Forbes magazine suggests that it’s closer to $9,200 per household.
Another source sites it as being $9,312 as of the end of 2004.
And Business Week adds this ominous note:
The ability to refinance at lower mortgage rates has contributed to the spending spree. Households took out $139 billion in cash-out refinancings last year and increased their home-equity loans by $178 billion. The added $317 billion was 3.7% of last year’s household disposable income. Without that extra “income,” spending might have been much weaker.
Consumers can’t continue to live this far beyond their means. As interest rates rise, the cost of servicing the debt will increase (although only slowly, since most consumer debt is fixed-rate). The easy borrowing that’s boosting spending today will come back to cut spending tomorrow. If interest rates rise slowly, as we at Standard & Poor’s expect, the problem will be modest. But if they soar, consumer spending could drop sharply.
Which means that by the end of 2005, credit card debt will be approximately $10,100, if trends continue for both increase in debt and the interest rates paid on same.
My Test Case…
In sum, here’s what I think the test case is:
- The average credit card balance is $10,000.
- A good credit rating will get you rates in the 8-9% range these days. Let’s go with 8.5%.
- So tacking on 1% in principal is a bit steeper a shock than what the Tribune is making out.
- How much? Try the average customer who is working a minimum payment going from $85 a month to $171 — a 101.2% increase.
- That’s called doubling.
…and HIS Rant
Our next contributor (unattributed, compliments of About.com) About.com has a soapbox narrative on what is happening:
This is BIG, BIG NEWS! Yet except by accident, have you heard any major announcement about raising minimum payments? Did you see it blaring on the primary news channels? Your credit card payment just doubled. Isn’t that newsworthy?. Don’t you think this should be shouted from the house top? But instead it is spoken of in whispers… until the new bankruptcy plan is neatly in place. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
And why has it been so “unannounced”? First of all it is very unpopular with the industry’s “best customers”… those are the ones so deep into credit card debt that they cannot see the top. Secondly, bottom line profit loss is at stake if these “best customers” can more easily declare bankruptcy and have this debt written off before the new law takes affect.
Why the Hush-Hush?
Easy. There’s money in it…and as we’ll cover shortly, potential for serious economic loss. As of right now, the interest rate goes up to 30.43% if you’re late even once. And on October 17, when the new bankruptcy laws come into play, guess what? You’ll pay that high rate for being late, and you’ll like it.
How many people will this affect? The group most at risk are those people who currently pay just the minimum balance, or close to it.
That’s just it; there is considerable uncertainty of late, as to just how big a percentage of U.S. cardholders pay the minimum balance.
Cardweb.com shares the following”
….
One-year ago the “Cambridge Consumer Credit Index” found that 39% of consumers with revolving credit card balances were making minimum payments and that 39% of Americans were paying off their credit card balances in full each month. The research also found that among revolvers, 39% paid less than half the balance owed but more than the minimum, while 19% paid more than half their balances.
How Bad Can It Get?
I think the question should start with something we can wrap our imaginations around: How bad does it start?
Let’s use the above values as a range — somewhere between 11% and 39% of cardholders will be at risk — people who either always or sometimes pay the minimum.
We could figure out a precise estimate, but let’s just go with between 1% and 4% of all cardholders will default as a result of these changes, and another 1% to 4% will struggle on, incurring 30% default rates as a result of late and insufficient payments.
No big deal, right?
Um…no. And here’s why.
As of July 2005 credit card volume was at $651 billion for 2Q 2005.
And per the Fed, Total US consumer debt a whopping $2,145.6 billion as of June 2005.
So, what’s 1%-4% of $2.1 trillion? Oh, just $20-80 billion in credit card defaults.
Which would be covered by credit card companies significantly increasing the spread to prime that they charge the surviving debtors, which would both increase the vulnerability of same to falling under the default cloud, and decrease remaining cardholders’ willingness to incur additional consumer debt.
Just in time for Christmas 2005, a large fraction of American credit card users are going to be given a very bad case of sticker shock. A small portion of these will be financially ruined, another small portion soon threatened as card rates are jacked to cover losses due to default, or their own rates transcend 30% due to late or insufficient payment on their balances.
Why Grinching Christmas is Macroeconomically Unsound
The American economy lives and dies by 4Q, especially in a sluggish economic cycle. Starting in 2000, you could short the S&P index by trading SPY contracts, from January to September, go long from October to December, and turn a 107.7% profit by the end of 2004. Had you remained long the entire time, you would have lost 17.7%.
And you would have made money every single year.
Before that, not so much. Times were better, then.
So, what is the consequence going to be, of over 100 million consumer debtors going into the holiday season with a suddenly-enhanced fear of putting their vacations, their festivities, their presents on the card?
Prediction: Significantly reduced consumer spending; the price of pushing one’s cash flow after the bankruptcy laws change is just too severe to contemplate.
The Inverse Square Law of Diaries predicts I will receive…
…a visitor or two. 🙂
and well worth it too 😉
This could be the start of a financial meltdown.
There are a number of lethal structural weaknesses in the US economy. One stone comes loose and the whole building comes crashing down.
And the rest of the world will pay…
During the high mortgage days in the late ’80’s (14% or so) an S&L in (I think) New Jersey announced a rise on a Friday for Variable Rates. Monday morning there were over 300 people in front of the branch demanding their money. Increase retracted.
It would probably take a national campaign, but trust me, it’s doable with enough people. They sell money. No-penalty balance transfers on many cards gets you zero interest for a year. Small change long-term, but if a few hundred thousand people switched? There’d be a feeding frenzy of retractions and counter-offers within days.
It would be real f**king interesting if someone was selling my money–cause i am very picky about where it goes–no prisons.no Walmart, no extractive industries that exploit people– HA, therefore I am stuck with my 1% money market account.
What an excellent diary, though the information in it is almost too painful to read. It goes right along with the headline on the front page right now: “Cruelty is the new black.”
If this is a sample of your diaries to come, we are lucky to have you. Thanks for all the hard work.
So there’s your two visitors already. 🙂
Hope you get lots more.
Thanks for putting these facts together — I had no idea these changes were coming. This is very bad news.
People will be charged (are being charged?) 30% after a late payment? Shouldn’t the companies be notifying customers in their current bills what the minimum charge will be after the new system goes into affect? Wouldn’t it be only fair to give everyone some warning?
I’ll be back later — I have to throw up.
You can be screwed for sneezing
This is the WMD of credit:
Universal default rate hikes are imposed by credit card companies based on the way customers handle other credit accounts. This year, 44.68% of banks said they have universal default policies–a slight increase from last year’s survey. According to customer service representatives, the following circumstances, in descending order of importance, can trigger a universal default rate hike:
Credit score gets worse: 90.48%
Paying mortgage, car loan or other creditor late: 85.71%
Going over credit limit: 57.14%
Bouncing a payment check: 52.38%
Too much debt: 42.86%
Too much available credit: 33.33%
Getting a new credit card: 33.33%
Inquiring about a car loan or mortgage: 23.81%
I think the most absurd is “too much available credit”.
The most insidious is just asking about a car or home loan. That’s just plain pitiful.
I tell you, people are going to stop borrowing, at least from banks, if this keeps up.
http://tinyurl.com/7ortj This article could be a companion to your diary..titled ‘Debtors rush to bankruptcy as change nears’…concerning the new ha and improved bankruptcy bill.
Amazing amount of information and hard work making for an impressive first diary here. Welcome.
The spouse and I have been considering bankruptcy for quite some time. We don’t own a house, our cars are used and paid off long ago and we don’t own anything large of value except our computers….
We have HUGE amounts of credit card debt (approx $45,000). I really liked this diary and read all of the linked to articles. The thing that pisses me off in all of them is that they’re talking about $18,000 Hawiian vacations, and $1,000 sofas and whatnot — I assure you that NONE of these things were purchased with our credit cards.
About 1/2 of the debt was incurred by me when I was a single mom, after I had run through all of my retirement and other savings (while working two-three jobs for 2 1/2 years). The cost of daycare, healthcare and rent/utlities/food for the two of us was NOT covered by my income. Fast forward 4 years….
I am now married, have a second son, my husband works his butt off and brings in a take home of about $1800 (after taxes, insurance premiums, etc.) are taken out. I have been out of work for over 10 months….I am trying to finish a dissertation, I am trying to find work as well. Our rent is $1225/month, we can’t afford to move…anyway, on and on, you can see how we may have accumulated a few debts along the way trying to make ends meet. We have good credit and so do not pay anything above 10% in interest and on some cards as low as 2%. A couple of the minimum payments went up over the summer, but not all of them. We are struggling as it is and I was hoping to have a job by now.
In some ways, i feel guilty filing for bankruptcy, on the other hand, our largest chunks of debt are our school loans (currently about $90,000) so we would have to pay those off in any case….right now, mine are in deferrment because I’m still in school (could this be why I am procrastinating finishing?) but we have been paying on my husbands for the past 4 years (his is the much smaller one)….
We cannot handle any more right now — I would rather destroy our credit on our own terms (bankruptcy) than go through the painful process of 30% interest rates and bill collectors calling at all hours, so I’m thinking now might be the time to do it. Does this suck?
to my pathetic sob story — I didn’t mean for it to come out that way!
😉
Geez file NOW.
I second the motion, file NOW.
The sooner you start over the more options you have in life.
After quitting farming, following the high interest rates of the mid eighties, I procrastinated some 9 years… big mistake. Recommending, Do it now.
If you’re going to file, do it fast, before the BushCo punitive law takes effect.
As to guilt: I know several people who have had to file bankruptcy in recent years, all for reasons beyond their control — a drunken ex who overspent, medical bills, job loss. In each case, they felt as you do, because the same system that impoverishes you conditions you to feel guilty.
Bankruptcy lawyers (I’ve interviewed some; very eye-opening) will tell you that once you file you will feel much relieved. It wipes the slate clean and, according to one friend, your credit is repaired in a relatively short time, a couple of years. She also said that she started getting credit card offers immediately, even while her paperwork was pending!
Do not feel guilty! Unless you are offshoring huge amounts of money or buying those Hawaiian vacations on credit, it’s not your fault. The same system that makes you feel guilty and charges huge interest rates also has built into it default provisions for people who are legitimately in financial straits.
I never thought of it that way, the system does suck all the way around…I just know that so many things will be better for our kids, our relationship and our future if we could just get this feeling of impending finiancial doom off of our backs.
I’m not too worried about repairing the credit rating, as I said, the school loans will still be there and we will continue to pay those….I guess I just needed to hear someone say “it’s ok”.
When I posted something similar on dKos about 4 months ago, I got a lecture about spending habits, a reprimand for being so irresponsible and an admonishment for beingin “one of those people” who make it worse for everyone else.
One of the myriad of reasons that I call BMT home these days — much appreciated!
Oh, and anyone know any good bankruptcy lawyers in Texas?
Ask around, keep your ears open. I bet you’ll find that people you know have filed or are considering it. “Lawyers” in the yellow pages are often listed by specialty.
Bankruptcy is under federal courts, and there is apparently a strict sequence of paperwork and filings. Call a couple of bankruptcy lawyers from the phone book, go interview them. Don’t deal with one unless you feel comfortable with him/her. The ones I’ve talked to are pretty low-key and eager to demystify the process for their clients.
Even if you decide not to file, I suspect that talking to a pro in the field will make you feel better. But do it soon. The clock is running.
First thing Monday morning — thanks!
Good girl! Keep us posted, let us know how it goes. We’re rooting for ya.
I definately will — if someone else can learn and/or benefit from the process, I am most willing to share…and, um, the support will be most helpful too! 😉
Thanks again!
Don’t know how things work in Texas, but in California, the State Bar Association has a referral panel. Lawyers sign up for it, and the Bar rotates through the attorneys on the list. And a side benefit is that the initial consultation is free.
If you’re committed to filing for bankruptcy, do it ASAP.
We do what we need to, in order for our families to survive.
We’re here to help; I didn’t spend my Saturday working on this project to judge others. If for some reason you catch grief from someone, anyone, just remember — you’re going to have a lot of company, from people who didn’t step up when they had the chance to make it easier for themselves.
And some of them will be sitting in judgment of you now.
If you need a word to maintain your resolve: homeless.
There are worse senses of shame than being in bankruptcy. And it’s easier to transcend the social onus of one than the other, on account you’re still warm, fed and clothed — and in the company of your loved ones.
Oh, cskendrick, I didn’t take away a sense of your judging anyone from your diary (except maybe the money grubbing banks)!!
Thank you so much for spending your time — I had read about this before and have been very suspicious of the credit card companies for some time now — the fact is, that no matter what you do, they can basically raise your interest rates to whatever they want whenever they want for any reason or no reason at all (it’s in the fine print). Though the debt on credit cards is half that that we owe in student loans, at least with those debts, there is an interest rate ceiling (8.25%) and we are allowed to take a forebaearance for 6 months to a year, for cause, and without penalty. THAT, I can handle!
I think I’ll be able to handle any sense of shame that comes my way (and I’m hoping the hubby will too), I think that part of the reason we haven’t done it before now is because we KNOW that we are SOO much better off than so many other people that in some way it didn’t seem right.
Thank you for your words and for your support — any suggestions on where to find a good bankruptcy lawyer? What is the going price for a bankruptcy? Anyone know?
Shame: I think once you start the process, you will be so relieved and find out that so many others are doing the same thing that you will be able to brush off any artificially-imposed “shame” feelings.
Income: The figure is somewhere in that most excellent diary, the income floor for the new law. Given what you said about your current cash income, you may very well be below and thus not subject to the punitive bill. Ask the lawyer.
And everyone remember just which Rep. and Senators voted for this travesty next election….
Senate
House
now, and presumably for Sunday morning: Debtors in Rush to Bankruptcy as Change Nears.
Not surprisingly, it’s datelined Boise, Idado. Guess where Dim Son is now?
Full story
Congresscritters that voted this mess in?
A lot, I hope. Especially once people realize how they’ve been screwed.
I would bet that most of the congresscritters who voted for this never read it, just as they never read the so-call Patriot Act, just as they never read most of the stuff they vote into law.
Or if they read it, they didn’t understand it. Most of them, after all, are lawyers, not financial types.
just the grads.
There are people who invest in the future and people who just spend-I am thinkin that there isn’t any room anymore for the reckless spenders-education is an investment- cool vacations is not.I think the banks are nutso for handing out credit indiscrimately.Recipe for disaster.
One of my buddies who got caught up in that- he is now 50K in debt with no prospect of paying it off.All credit card debt with nothing to show for it.He said to me tonight- that if some kind of controls had been in place,he would never have done what he did.Freedom vs license?? I dunno.
But I would go ahead and file and forget the shame part-that was what bankruptcy laws were intended to do– give people a fresh start.
My husband and I have been talking about it and I will be going off to interview a few lawyers tomorrow…
The hard part is putting the coulda, shoulda, might ofs and what ifs, behind us and just do it.
Having two children while trying to earn my Ph.D. was not in the plan, but that’s the way it happened and now, we have to move forward and I need to finish this thing so that I can have something to show for it!!
Tell your friend, I often think the same thing “wouldn’t have done it if the credit wasn’t there”, but I also wonder, if it wasn’t there, where we would be right now — living with my in-laws? On the street? Dunno.
One more thing, and then I’ll shut up.
The social safety net was designed to help people who, through no fault or from circumstances beyond their control, need various kinds of help for a time. Unfortunately, we now live under a punitive, restrictive government that has regressed to the worst standards of Victorian morality in such matters.
A small story: Years ago, a dear friend had to go on welfare. She had a small child, her ex had skipped on child support, she hadn’t finished college yet and couldn’t get much of a job. The help she got enabled her to finish college, go to graduate school, raise her child well. She is now an escellent professor at an excellent university.
Without that help, the story might have had a very different ending. Go file, asap.
Please don’t shut up!! The things you are saying are helping immensely!
Thank you!
Yes please,don’t shut up–Pleeez?
Does this affect lines of equity credit that people take on their homes (basically a 2nd mortgage)
Ask the lawyer. But my understanding of the current stuff is that your home is protected.
Is, I think, how the big boys plan to make some real money on this.
Here’s what you do:
I think you have a good point here-especially with the number of shady “loan service/mortgage service” companies slavering on the sidelines. Regardless of the times they have been found defrauding their customers they get minimal fines and continue with the scam.(See Fairbanks, now under a new name and the same old game.)And there is little defense available. We had this happen to us, ruined our credit and got us so deep in the hole we could hardly see daylight. We are digging our way out slowly, don’t know if Oct. will break us or not. Maybe. I do know I can’t even think of a home equity loan, there is apparently no way to keep the loan service honest. Well, have to do the best we can.
I’ve really got to wonder… Perhaps the point of the Bad Bankruptcy Bill was just that – an October Surprise. Turn things sour for consumers just in time for the 2006 elections… And then pin in on the Democrats, many of whom were gung-ho about supporting the bill.
This site traffics in high level intelligence. Welcome aboard.
I have a friend who maxed out stressed out on credit abuse so he just simply stopped paying and refused to declare bankruptcy.
He is now living a cash only existence (which is pretty weird–carrying a wad of cash is almost like carrying a gun in your pocket)but claims nobody can do anything to him except harass him on the phone and of course, ruin his credit.
True?
Yes, that’s true, as long as he is judgement-proof, meaning that he has nothing that they can take, and that he STAYS that way (that is the trick). Unless his creditors TOTALLY write-off the debt that he owes, they can come back at any time and take anything he has (a house, new car, etc.) to repay the debt….laws on stuff that is “judgement-proof” vary from state to state.
I’ll chime in here with everyone else brinnainne and tell you to go ahead asap and file for bankruptcy. I don’t think there is the stigma to this that there used to be. Besides if Donald Trump can file more than once(and I think one of his casinos is again filing for bankruptcy-how can a casino go bankrupt by the way?)and people like Wayne Newton why should you worry.
My sister/husband had to file bankruptcy in the early 90’s…they have recovered and in fact have such excellent credit now that they can get just about anything they want with their credit report.
I think the sooner you do this the sooner you can breath a sigh of relief, start fresh and look to the future without the massive stress of trying to pay bills that simply can’t be paid.
In a word: Abmrahoff (I know I spelled that wrong)
Thanks, ci, for the encouraging words — stigma be damned, I am already preparing myself for that and it has NOTHING to do with bankruptcy (after all, I am an “librul”!) 😉
There’s a survey of people’s credit card habits. A lot of people. The news: The results conform to the general pattern of nationwide survey responses.
Also, you will find that you are not alone, either in your troubles or in the resources available to you from our little federation of left-leaning blogs.
And there are some stories in the comments that are as humane and touching, concerned and strong as your own.
I actually read your diary there first — I know I’m not alone. Makes me feel worse, not better.
I was trying to figure out a creative solution to this problem a while ago — my first diary on any blog anywhere was on dKos asking if anyone wanted to invest in my debt (doesn’t seem to be available atm, or I would link to it) — it doesn;’t really matter all that much as long as my family stays healthy….
And me too, I guess. *sigh*
God, what an absolutely astonishing and well researched and written diary. That being said, you have scared the crap out of me. I have been paying down major credit card debt for awhile now and always pay more than the minimum but if they double the minimum I will not be able to pay that amount and that will trigger all the 30% interest rates. WTF? They are grinding away at making us a class society of two…the haves and the have nots imho. Eating away until they have it all? What is happening to our country folks?
Plug in your specific information to the following
1% of your outstanding balance
+
x% interest x your outstanding balance, divided by 12
+
the fees, if any.
Who gets zapped the most by this
People with
In other words, loyal, dutiful middle-class debtors with an established good credit history.
People who aren’t punished as much
People with
My guess is you are somewhere in between. 🙂
Yes, if I figured correctly by your method the minimum is still less than I pay monthly anyway. That is besides the point. There are times that it is a tight month and I may only pay the minimum. We can only hope that they are not allowed to double the minimum I guess. I am hesitate as Tracy was about filing bk I worked through reesablishing good credit and now they want to screw us again. UGH!
Find $100 a month in savings, even if it’s a pinch.
Don’t pay any more on credit cards, just yet; just see if your household can stand $25 less a week of…something. $5 a weekday of…something.
If not, cut that goal in half.
If not that, cut it in half again.
Whatever you save, sock it away.
It’s there to cover the little ups and downs that happen every month. The cushion that makes it possible to keep paying what you’re paying down.
I think that you will find that if you can keep to your existing program on a consistent basis, the minimum payment will gradually decline, as well.
Even if you were free of this concern, there would be another.
It’s always good to have a little cushion budgeted in, because life isn’t a budget. 🙂
Frankly, at this point I wouldn’t worry about it-credit card debt the banks will just write off-and they hate being stuck with repos.
One of the wisest things,among others,that my brother taught me— ‘The bank is NOT your friend”