I found an article from 2004 that talks about worst-case scenarios for New Orleans in the case of a direct hit from a hurricane. At the time, Hurricane Ivan was thought to be on a path for The Big Easy.
If the storm were strong enough, Ivan could drive water over the tops of the levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River and vast Lake Pontchartrain. And with the city sitting in a saucer-shaped depression that dips as much as 9 feet below sea level, there would be nowhere for all that water to drain.
Even in the best of times, New Orleans depends on a network of canals and huge pumps to keep water from accumulating inside the basin.
“Those folks who remain, should the city flood, would be exposed to all kinds of nightmares, from buildings falling apart to floating in the water having nowhere to go,” Ivor van Heerden, director of Louisiana State University’s Hurricane Public Health Center, said Tuesday.
LSU’s hurricane experts have spent years developing computer models and taking surveys to predict what might happen.
The surveys predict that about 300,000 of the 1.6 million people living in the metropolitan area would risk staying.
The computer models show a hurricane with a wind speed of around 120 mph or more – hitting just west of New Orleans so its counterclockwise rotation could hurl the strongest surf and wind directly into the city – would push a storm surge from the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Pontchartrain over the city’s levees. Ivan had sustained wind of 140 mph Tuesday.
New Orleans would be under about 20 feet of water, higher than the roofs of many of the city’s homes. Besides collecting standard household and business garbage and chemicals, the flood would flow through chemical plants in the area, “so there’s the potential of pretty severe contamination,” van Heerden said.
Severe flooding in bayous also forces out wildlife, including poisonous snakes and stinging fire ants, which sometimes gather in floating balls carried by currents.
Much of the city would be under water for weeks. And even after the river and Lake Pontchartrain receded, the levees could trap water above sea level, meaning the Army Corps of Engineers would have to cut the levees to let the water out.
One note of optimism: the worst case scenario involves a hurricane hitting to the west of New Orleans. It currently appears that the storm will hit to the east. One note of caution: Katrina has much higher winds than Ivan, or the computer models.
You can forget road, rail, and air transportation to/from New Orleans. The first two are bridged through miles (I’m not kidding) of swamps and the last will be under water.
So when they talk of the time to do the repair work figure an additional 2 weeks AT LEAST to move the personnel and equipment to the area and establish the required infrastructures to start clean-up.
In 2001, when bush was warned of Osama striking on our shores he continued on vacation… Allowing 9-11 to develop. Now that a threat looms, that he has no control of, he thrusts out his pathetic chest, and mounts his horse, ready to play hero.. As the storm approaches, he will bellow, I am here to save the day. Overlooking the fact that the National(wink wink) Guard is off in the ME, trying to save his sorry ass. Watch as MSM paints him as the hero in shining armor, as the storm approaches. Bush is one sorry excuse for a human being. When the first shot at Sheehan will be taken, saying she is distracting for the doomsday unfolding in New Orleans. When will robertson, join in the circus. What a distraction unfolding for boy bush and his murderous regime. Do keep our troops and the innocent victims of the ME in mind, when saying your prayers.
Was watching him on T.V. giving his little address to the nation about Katrina and he blurted out, “Hey, I just had a great idea, let’s fight em off the coast of Africa so we won’t have to fight em over here.”
This is starting to look really bad for NO- my favorite city. I could tell some tales,but I won’t.If anyone needs to evac and can get here to VA- I have a 3 BR house that is vacant.
One note of optimism: the worst case scenario involves a hurricane hitting to the west of New Orleans.
Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be working out for New Orleans either. With each update, the weather experts are still waiting for the storm to start tracking due north (which would put it east of the city at landfall). The storm is not cooperating and continues on its north-northwest track. If it does not start tracking north soon, New Orleans will get either a direct hit or a devastating western hit.
I was in Homestead, Fl. two days after Andrew leveled it because my wife had family living there. We caravanned down, three pickups full of EVERYTHING we could think of, or so we thought. When we were approaching the center of the devastation, it became sickeningly clear that we didn’t have half of what those poor people needed. The first night there, I remember sitting on the roof, watching Marines march in columns down the street with the thumping of Huey helicopters breaking the thick blanket of silence that hung over that town. It was a surreal sight to behold, and I was forever changed by what I witnessed of the fury of a Cat 5 hurricane.
Katrina is apparently a much more powerful hurricane and I sure do hope that those in her path understand that it is madness to try to ride out a storm like that. My thoughts are with all of them.
PBS (American public television) did a bit a while back about the threat posed by a hurricane approaching the city from the south the exact scenario we are seing played out now.
Anyone know how many people are stuck there? I am so worried about all of the people going into the SuperDome — will they really be safe there? Could it turn into a death trap?
Why don’t we have evacuation plans in place for things like this? Don’t we have resources that can be mobilzed BEFORE people die?
Where is Homland Security? What the hell are they doing? yes, there will be a mess afterwards, but how do we get those people OUT of harm’s way??
This is so fucking frustrating.
Brinnaine,
Is Homeland Insecurity a better name. “Before FEMA was condensed into Homeland Security it responded much more quickly,” says Walter Maestri, director of Jefferson Parish’s Office of Emergency Management. Maestri has worked with FEMA for eight years. “Truthfully, you had access to the individuals who were the decision-makers. The FEMA administrator had Cabinet status. Now, you have another layer of bureaucracy. FEMA is headed by an assistant secretary who now has to compete with other assistant secretaries of Homeland Security for available funds. And elevating houses is not as sexy as providing gas masks.”
Article: Disaster in the Making
The Federal Emergency Management Agency’s diminished capacity to handle natural disasters is especially worrisome to Louisiana.
LINK: http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-10-05/commentary.html
Pray for New Orleans, pray for our country.
Short answer to your first question is yes, imo, the super dome could turn into death trap, with sewage, no power, no a/c, and floods, and that is if it survives more or less intact.
Lots of problems there, but as mentioned above the loss of wetland and the close proximity of building to the ocean do not help. why has that building and that loss allowed to happen and continue in the first place.
We have had loss of life and homes in coastal socal in previous storms that did not approach this level of Katrina. But yet they continue to build there.
Seeing the footage of the long lines of people outside the Superdome, and hearing how the authorities are trying to confiscate drugs and guns, that the situation is growing tense, I have a bad feeling about those poor people who couldn’t get out of town.
New tropical storm on the way in the Caribbean. Tropical Storm Lee.
Booman, using Doomsday in the title makes a lot of people think this isn’t a serious problem. It is.
People need to leave for higher ground now, and that doesn’t mean the upper stories of a French Quarter building! If you want to see a good idea of how older NO buildings will look after a hurricane, google the Galveston Hurricane, and look at the pictures.
Any reader left in New Orleans now should be getting to higher ground by whatever means quickly. (I’m really wanting to use capital letters, barely restraining the urge to shout out loud as I write.)
If you have lived in the Mississippi River Delta most of your life, as I have, you tend to be pretty sanguine about hurricanes, tornados, and floods. Yep, pretty messy. No power for a while, icky, and messy.But life goes on and we survive. We are tough!
This is different. If you live in NO and stay, you are asking to risk your life. This is not just toughing out some high winds and rain in a nice upper story room, and having life return to normal in a few hours.
My dad was a “storm trooper”. He specialized in going into areas devastated by hurricanes and other natural disasters, to deal with the damage done. Nothing as bad as seeing a bare slab in place of a home, he’d say, showing us pictures of homesites in Pass Christiane, MS, after Hurricane Camille in 1969. Katrina is as strong or stronger than Camille.
Old wooden structures will mostly collapse. Building left standing will be in a sea of water, and it won’t drain, as NO is mostly below sea level.(Forgive me for the panicky voice, I just don’t like to see people drowned.)
If I were still living up the River, you could come to my place, but I’m stuck in yankee-land far, far away. There will be shelters set up,likely places such as schools within a few hours to a day’s drive north of NO. The sooner you leave, the safer you will be. I-10 has bee converted into one-way North. Evacuation of the city has been ordered – though far too many people have no transportation.Just GO.
Gee, I had a totally different reaction to the title than you did, I don’t think it downplayed the seriousness at all but rather brought it home.
I fully agree with your urging people to get the heck out of there if they can. Some Tourists are stuck there as they cannot fly out or rent cars, plus the many who have no means to leave.
You are probably right, Diane. I certainly hope so.
The CNN talking head just had someone from NO on the phone who was going to ride out the storm in NO. The guy gave some excuse that he didn’t take the warnings seriously and by the time he did, he and his wife had decided to hunker down. WTF? There is still time to leave. It is only 3:30 there. I hope he ends up o.k in the end, but all I can think is “what an ass”.
National weather service LINK
HURRICANE KATRINA
A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH…RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS…PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL…LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE…INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.
HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY…A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD…AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS…PETS…AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.
POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS…AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING…BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.
AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE…OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE…ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.
ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET…DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!
this is unbelievable. What are we going to do to help them? What can we do?
I know! That’s about the scariest thing I ever read. I really wish we knew how many National Guard units are left in Louisianna.
Donate to the Red Cross — blankets, water…whatever. But if you can, give blood — the baks are already low, they’re gonna need it, and even if they don’t use it in LA, it’ll get used.
They won’t let me give blood cause I don’t weigh enough!!!I tried for a dear friend who needed it-and he needed it ALOT. Nothing doing, they turned me away.GRRRR
Some are stranded, couldn’t get flights out, or rent cars, no transportation. One man interviewed was on the 17th floor of his hotel with friends with no way out.
What about National Guard using helicopters to pick up people from roof tops?
Cannot imagine how these stranded people must feel.
I can’t even imagine the catastrophe this could turn into–and not only the city but for 350 miles around? It’s all low lying-even if it isn’t
on the lake or the river.
Somebody over at the Other Place referenced John McPhee’s book- ‘The End of Nature’- it is an excellent book about man and his (mostly useless) fight against mother nature. A main section is about the levees and how eventually it would all be lost in one big storm.Is this it? I hope not,but I fear it is inevitable.
A stepfather and his family are heading to Texas, or so he says. Gulfport and Biloxi are already filled up. People were leaving as early as last Thursday. The airport is filled up, too.
My aging aunt and her family are still there, about to ride out what may be a catastrophe. They are, however, too poor to get out, and do not have a car. The SuperDome, however, is going to be a haven for many Nawlins poor.
Authorities and scientists have been predicting this scenario for decades, seeing New Orleans as Venice underwater. I blame authorities and internal corruption for letting things go on as they did. There is only one pump, I understand, for the entire city: there should be at least ten. And that pump dates from the New Deal. That’s why there is going to be a lot of water for a number of days.
They also said that by 2050, New Orleans may indeed be underwater. With global warming, it may be guaranteed.
And of course we all know who is gonna have to stay and suffer- and it ain’t white suburbanites. <bitter grimace>.
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We’ll see. My aunt refuses to go anywhere and her adult children and grandchildren living with her. She would not talk of any contingency plans. At least they live in a two-story house. If flooding occurs, they can move things and themselves up and be rescued later…that’s the only reassurance I can feel. It’s a mess.
I am going to call my mother in GA and see what she says. It all points to a monumental disaster.
With Betsy (Sixties), whites actually allowed the flooding to run into the black community.
oh crap– that really bites- but i am here nonetheless
ok I can make Holiday Inn reservations for your family– maybe in Beaumont?
that does not surprise mw one bit
Where in Texas are they going? Do they have a place to stay? Let me know if I can help! With shycat’s dough and our physically being here, we may actually be able to do something for you! Do not hestiate one second to ask!
what she said! do not hesitate!
I didn’t know you are in Galveston — you’re even closer than I am (I’m in Austin) — I don’t know how helpful I can be, but my house is open for anyone who needs shelter from the storm.
No hon- I used to be in Galveston- now I am back in friggin Virginia! GRRRRRRR I loved Galveston so much!!
Ah, my mistake! I lived in VA for 13 years, high school in NOVA (Fairfax County), college and masters and two years after in Blacksburg….I miss the fall in the mountains.
By this time, my stepfather should be on the road. And the highways out of town are choked. Sorry, I don’t have their cell phone, if they have one. At least my stepfather has a car and friends. They were packing when I called. He also has my phone number.
Katrina has 175 MPH winds and the damn thing is HUGE. Even if it hits to the east there will be significant circulation to the west of the city. But the direction of the circulation is critical here and the east-west part makes all the difference in the world. Whether Katrina is powerful enough and big enough for that not to matter anyhow is still a question though.
This thing makes me think of the stories about the Galveston storm of 1900. The only difference being we know this one is coming so hopefully not as many people will die. The devastation will probably be similar however.
Yeah, Category 5 and looks like it fills the entire Gulf of Mexico. NWS indicates hurrican force winds strike from 105 miles out, gale force @ 205. It’s currently (1:57pm PST) 180 miles out and moving NNE.
They’re calling it “once in a lifetime,” but that’s probably wishful thinking. Global warming. . .
the Altantic ain’t done….
13 will most likely be hurricaine Lee in 48 hours….
http://tinyurl.com/8hgju
Be sure to click “play.”
Here’s another image if Katrina 225 miles SSE away from New Orleans, at 4:27 pm EDT
forgot: if the track stays on course, you’re going to get REAL wet up in the North country…..
The remnants of Camille and Agnes made it up to New York State if I recall correctly. This one no doubt will as well.
I saw on the Weather Channel that heavy rains could/will hit New England by Thursday. The awful weather basically formed a big wedge from Louisiana up to the Great lakes.
I’m near St. Louis, but am thinking about making sure the sump pump is working properly, just in case we get a lot of rain here.
Good idea. I needed to stock up on batteries, anyway. But at least we have bottled water and other sundries already. Just in case.
Does anyone else watch too many SciFi Channel movies??
The worst-case scenario here … could submerge much of this historic city treetop-deep in a stew of sewage, industrial chemicals and fire ants
Sorry, don’t mean to be flip, but it did conjure up some scary mental images involving giant fire ants, entymologists, and Special Forces troops.
Back to hoping for the best….
popped into my head — any one catch it a couple of months back on FX? Remember how it started?? [[shudder]]
I just posted the same thing below you.
Do I owe you a coke? Would you settle for a cool glass of iced tea?
Nope. As I recall, I’m the one who made you watch that stupid movie and you noted how WHITE the cast was. But, now it doesn’t seem quite so stupid as it did then. And the real life cast comes in all colors.
This is reminding me of the movie FX showed earlier this summer. In their scenario, a hurricane hit Galveston and wiped out the port and oil refineries there. The result: $7/gal gas within two weeks. The Port of New Orleans processes 25% to 1/3 of our oil imports and is surrounded by gas refineries and petrochemical plants.
I am horrified by the idea that beautiful New Orleans may be devastated and the potential loss of life has me scared. But, I am terrified about the economic impact this storm may have on ALL of us.
That’s a given at this point. I expect oil prices to go up tomorrow, quite frankly.
And what about clean up in LA, and in other states? What’s left of the National Guard?
because I’m not in a position to do much. We couldn’t get in to get anybody out. I think everybody needs to brace for a very large loss of life from Katrina. If the roadways continue to stay choked when she hits….that is the worst thing that could happen. I really think people are going to die though, I’m thinking a Ground Zero type loss……..bigger numbers. The whole city will be flooded with sewage and chemicals also from the factories and refineries. If you are stuck there and survive Katrina, trying to stay alive after that is going to be one hell of a chore I think. And the cemeteries will be afloat also……we will have corpses in the streets and we may not be sure who was dead before and died during. This is going to be really really horrible.
OH yeah- it will get very ugly– add some cholera to that equation…..
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