Matt Bai has an interesting piece in the New York Times Magazine. He discusses Hillary’s strategy for capturing the White House. But he also delves into our domain, and attempts to explain what we think, and how we feel about Hillary. I’m going to excerpt a large piece and discuss it below the fold.
The activist class believes, essentially, that Democrats in Washington have damaged the party by trying to negotiate and compromise with Republicans – in short, by trying to govern. The “Net roots” believe that an effective minority party should disengage from the governing process and eschew new proposals or big ideas. Instead, the party should dedicate itself to winning local elections and killing each new Republican proposal that comes down the track. To the activist class, trying to cut deals with Republicans is tantamount to appeasement. In fact, Rosenberg, an emerging champion of the activist class, told me, pointing to my notebook: “You have to use the word ‘appease.’ You have to use it. Because this is like Neville Chamberlain.”
This is an ominous development for Hillary Clinton, because the activists’ attack on the party hierarchy is a direct and long-simmering reaction to the Clintonism of the 90’s and the “third way” instinct of the D.L.C.
The first thing I want to say is that I have deliberately ignored Obamarama over at the orange place. But Hillary should take notice of Barack’s experience and rough treatment.
The second thing I want to say is that Matt Bai is treading on thin ice by trying to characterize what the ‘activist class’ or the ‘net roots’ feels about anything. Simply put, we don’t all agree on a whole lot.
It’s not true that we all think we should eschew all new proposals or big ideas. And as long as the Republicans are looting the treasury, it’s simply not true that we expect the Dems to allow all the money to be siphoned to Republican districts. And that is what would happen if the Dems refused to participate and compromise on any new bills.
Setting aside the war for the moment, the activist class has been most upset by three things this year.
1) The failure to stand up and fight against the promotions of Condi Rice, Abu Gonzales, Michael Chertoff, and other incompetent members of the Bush administration. Also, the cave in on judges.
2) The failure to fight against CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill.
3) The decision to soft pedal the party’s fundamental dedication to civil, reproductive, and gay rights, and to recruit candidates that are on the wrong side of these issues.
Each one of these issues has come as an assault on progressive sensibilities. And while we successfully crushed the Charles Schwabinization of Social Security, that too was an assault. Every time a Dem casts a vote in favor of elevating a Condi Rice or John Roberts it feels like capitulation and appeasement.
It’s hard to see how these votes have much to do with ‘trying to govern’. To see the difference between appeasement and ‘trying to govern’, look at some of Hillary’s other efforts to reach across the aisle:
I don’t see anything wrong with this type of bipartisanship. The GOP is in control, and Hillary needs to work with Republicans to serve her constituents. But she doesn’t have to sell-out her constituents by “voting for the Iraq war resolution, (breaking) with some of the more liberal Democrats who tried to hold up $87 billion for reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan, and (being) one of only six Democrats to oppose a measure that would have effectively killed the president’s missile-defense plan.”
It seems that the party’s ‘governing class’ looked at the 2004 election and decided the country had suddenly become too homophobic, too hostile to reproductive rights, and too militaristic for Democrats to win national elections.
The activists looked at the election and drew dramatically different conclusions. First, we saw a lot of voter suppression, some fraud, and not enough transparency in the vote counting. We wanted voting reform, but other than a few members of the house and Barbara Boxer, we didn’t see any appetite for that fight.
Second, we saw that Kerry refused to disavow his vote for the Iraq resolution. Kerry’s failure to significantly differentiate his position on the war from Bush’s led many voters to conclude their wasn’t any difference between the parties over our foreign policy.
Third, we did notice very high turnout among religious conservatives, and acknowledged that a lot of it was driven off anti-gay ballot initiatives and anti-abortion rhetoric. But we didn’t conclude that we should abandon women’s and gay’s rights in response. We concluded that we failed to mobilize people that care about women’s and gay rights because we didn’t vocally stand up for them.
In short, the ‘governing class’ responded to 2004 by deciding to distance themselves from single-issue interest groups and contentious social debates. The ‘activist class’ responded by deciding we need to fight, and to be seen fighting. We need to draw bright lines between the parties, not blur the differences.
And if there is a poster-boy for the strategy of blurring differences, it is the Democratic Leadership Council. If the netroots agrees on one thing, it is that the DLC carries a lot of responsiblity for the loss of the last two elections.
The DLC is out of touch with liberals and wants to hide us in the attic like a crazy aunt. They are more socially conservative, more business friendly, more hostile to the social safety net, more pro-military, and more indifferent to the poor than the Democratic Party as a whole.
Hillary recently discovered how much hostility the activists have for the DLC:
The incident called into question her cynical grand strategy:
The strategy might be elegant, but she is going to run into a buzzsaw if she doesn’t wake up and take us seriously soon.
If Hillary were elected President it would be a landmark for American society and well worth celebrating in some senses. A return to Clintonian policies would be a welcome improvement. But she has two problems. First, the netroots will not be taken for granted, nor will they be tricked by her cynical ploy to ‘make herself electable’ because, number two, we see no evidence that her strategy gets people elected.
Hillary is the clear front-runner for the nomination, but if she doesn’t change her strategy she is going to splinter the party and become the mortal enemy of the netroots.
The key graph is at the end here:
If Hillary ultimately wins the Dem nomination I’m not going to “splinter” off and join a third party or some such thing. But the Bush era 2002, and 2004 elections have demonstrated that “moving to the center” does not correlate with electability, and I hope and pray that the leading Demcoratic contendors realize this.
The good news (although I am cautious), is that Hillary may be getting this as well. She voted against Roberts, and gave a pretty solid statement in opposition.
Hopefully that’s a good sign for the future.
The ENTIRE ROBERTS VOTE was a scam by the ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY… Hilliary’s vote is useless since the entire party had agreed to confirm Roberts…
“driven off anti-gay ballot initiatives “
Excuse if I am incorrect but hasn’t his old chestnut been thoroughly debunked?
Over and over and over again? Gays did not lose the damned election.
Clinton lost it when he dropped trou.
decide for yourself. In Ohio, which decided the election, there is good reason to believe that ridiculous turnout in conservative areas was responsible. How much of that was due to the ballot initiative is debatable.
Saying Ohio cost the election is like saying a missed 3-pointer in the last one second cost the game.
WHA…..
how dare you bring up the 4 slam dunks that careened off the rim in the 1st half and those quaint missed layups early in the 2nd. That’s historical data with no actionable information.
CLEARLY we should all focus on the desperation half court shot.
/snark
Right. Just like gays lost Alabama.
Abortion, women’s rights, civil rights, voter suppression and Clinton’s adultery had absolutley nothing to do with losing religious conservatives.
In so far as I am aware nobody on the national scene besides Nancy Pelosi has supported gay marriage, unlike the issues identified above.
I’m not a Democrat (I’ve long since left for Greener pastures), but if I were, this would be the sentence quoted from the Bai piece that would really steam me:
The problem with the Democrats is not that they want to negotiate. The problem is the position they’re negotiating from. In many ways the worst side of the DLC and other “New Democrats” like Simon Rosenberg is their cynical attempt to sell their moderate conservatism by wrapping it in crocodile tears of necessity. We just have to become more like the GOP to win elections, the by now old-as-dirt New Democrats have been saying for two decades. By and large this strategy has gotten the party nowhere, except under Bill Clinton, whose success was based much more on his extraordinary personal charisma than on his feckless triangulation. And the New Democrats’ path to success within the party — selling rightwing policies to progressive Democrats in terms of a strategic “vision” that has been a proven loser — has managed to derail both policy and strategy discussions within the Democratic Party. No wonder the Democrats are a party with no clear message, that’s deeply wedded to a losing electoral strategy.
So now, yet again, the New Democrats (in the DLC, NDN, Blue Dog Group, or whatever other front name they’re using these days….these guys are almost as bad as the CP was in their heyday about putting their soured old wine into new bottles) once again want to avoid an honest ideological / policy discussion, and instead want progressives to pretend to have a conversation with them about strategy. And here’s the latest twist: they’re saying that this is the conversation the “netroots” want.
Well, maybe Markos Moulitsas — who can’t stand the DLC, but loves the NDN — wants this conversation. But many progressives, myself included, understand that what we need is an honest conversation about the direction this country should be headed. And what progressives deserve is a party and a standard bearer who actually believe in doing the right thing, on war and peace, trade, labor, the social safety net, what have you. I’m happy to have any party and leader who are truly progressive negotiate and compromise to their heart’s content, if that’s what the situation calls for. The problem with the Democrats in Washington is not how they behave, it’s who they are and what they believe.
Thank you.
I have been saying this for month… it is all a ruse. Then there is self proclained King of the netroots Rosenberg… because he is dumping 200 million into the internet to buy consent and silence on the wretched DLC IDEOLOGICAL policies that are shifting the party to the right..
I am not over in Organde Square but I read you alot… have you ever thought of setting up a Green scoop site… you can get a set up cheaply on Saopblox like “My left Wing”… I am tired of these Rosenberg clowns thinking that we are dumber than he is…
Yes, I definitely feel it’s Simon who’s treading on thin ice, trying to claim de-facto leadership of the “netroots” while the NDN approach seems to be very much DC style.
“Activist class”? What a crock! We are neither! Our class status runs the gamut (with woefully less representation in the lower income levels, where internet access is not a priority). And we’re not activists, we’re citizens with opinions.
Why is it every time those NDN boys open their mouths I want to throw up?
Yeah, pfui.
They keep using that word “governing.” I do not think it means what they think it means.
I think SBJ is right – the word they’re looking for is “capitulation.”
Gee, I hate to rain on the parade, but….What if Hillary wins in New York and stays the Senator?
Then all of this weird speculation turns into so much incomplete self-abuse, (rising to the peak but no squirt.)
Cons, Repubs and Limbots hate Senator Clinton, period. This is unlikely to change. So, we will likely have to endure election cycle after election cycle of haunted fearful people who “just don’t trust Hillary.”
She is a fine Senator and could take on the meanest Pubbies, and that is what scares the bejeebers out of Republicans….she’s a tough pitbull, and she’s married with children and straight!
Harriet, are you listening? Are you as good?
Rosenberg is a lying DLC/NDN stooge
little to do with ideology
WTF…Nothing to do with IDEOLOGY???
What Reid and Pelosi trying to force Dean to accept Democrats for Life into the DLC…
The DSCC and the DCCC pushing anti-abortion candidates…
If this all has nothing to do with ideology then why has Kos and Co been given instructions to bash ideology as “purist” and “litmus test”….
Rosenberg knows the real is a battle going on between liberals and right wing centrists… but since he has access to the MSM he is lying his butt off and saying that it is a phony battle between the DLC and the NDN which is the same shit only they can “CONTROL” the media better. So that in the end they can end the phony war and make phony peace with Hilliary and collect all of the real netroots money.
This is why I can’t stand over there, they are nothing but a propoganda mouth peice for the DLC… I geuss someone is getting paid well to spew this crap.
Hillary is an insiders insider. She even won her Senate seat from the inside, otherwise how could an Illinois native with an address in DC be elected from the second most populous state, NY?
How about a few words on that other Democratic hopeful who was also featured in the NYT Magazine—Spitzer?
Hillary represents the past, and not a particularly glorious one from her position as the wronged wife.
She might get some family values sympathy votes as a result but her ability to win any red states is highly questionable.
I think this whole idea of a candidate having to win overwhelming Red-State votes is kind of silly. All the candidate really has to do with what Al Gore did.. get all the Democratic votes, win all the blue and swing states..
I’m with GreenSooner on this one — oh, yeah, that’s what I’m pissed off about, they’re trying to govern. Give me just one small break.
I wouldn’t vote for Hillary myself, but as far as ‘red’ states go — Texas would be ripe for the picking with the right nominee, the dems should be thinking about that very carefully for 2008. Hillary has waaay to much baggage, she will not win.
Great diary, Booman.
You hit a lot of nails on the head. Matt Bai truly doesn’t understand what is going on. It seems to me many of us are waiting for a grand, bold idea or two. It seems to me we would love to see some goverance — some good governance. We just don’t want to see workers’ rights, women’s rights, gay rights and privacy rights always have to be sacrificed on the altars of corporate rights and political ambition.
One important point you make is that the Dems have just written off the voters who would show up at the polls if they believed Democrats were really working in the interest of the people. Have the Dems abandoned them because many of these people don’t have the same means to financially support the politicians? Is this just another face of the racism/classism we saw with Katrina?
My head is spinning with all the thoughts your diary has provoked.
if the “governing elites” would just talk to us and listen to us? I don’t believe any of us are against governing. But we have seen damn all in the last 5 years. No governance just buddy buddy, just crony crony. Stuff it up their asses. WE KNOW what governance looks like and we KNOW what negotiating looks like and damn if we seen hide nor hair of any of it.
The fundamental problem for progressives is that they are a minority in the United States.
The other problem is the entrenched two-party system in the U.S.
Put the two together, and progressives are faced with two unpalatable alternatives:
a) Hold nose and vote for Democrats, who once elected will fail to enact a progressive agenda but will at least avoid the worst excesses of the Bush neo-fascist agenda.
b) Stay home on election day and start researching immigration to Canada, Norway, Sweden, or France. Or just start drinking a lot more, or watching more TV or writing poetry.
In a parliamentary system, a party like Canada’s New Democratic Party has no hope of forming a government, but it can leverage its votes on certain measures to gain more progressive concessions from the ruling Liberals. American progressives are reduced to blogging, journalism in fringe publications and media outlets, and local politics in progressive enclaves.
No amount of election strategizing will make these ugly truths go away.
I have noticed a tendency, here and elsewhere, for people to expect Democrats to oppose US policies. That is not their job. Their job is to present those worst excesses as pragmatic necessities, give massacres more attractive names than “Iron Fist,” be stricter about cameras in the torture chambers in the first place, and make resounding speeches announcing all kinds of tax free savings account plans for the poor, so that they can make good choices with their personal wealth. (For those who are unaware, people whose income is insufficient to purchase housing and medical treatment do not have any money to put into savings accounts).
And as you point out, the taxpayers do not oppose US policy either. They pay for it willingly, they consider it a privilege to sacrifice the lives of their own children to make rich men richer.
The American psyche is so rooted in the doctrine of Manifest Destiny that they are quite sincerely unable to conceive of any other reality.
Which brings me to another ugly truth. No matter how fervently and unshakably Americans believe that they and they alone are divinely mandated with dominion over the earth, it is difficult to find non-Americans who share it.
There will be “change.” Of that you can be certain. The question is, who will choose, who will implement that change? And the American people are now speaking with one voice, “Our victims.”
It will not be Jeb Bush, or Barack Obama, or whatever politician to whom you serve as devotee who will decide the future of your toddler.
That toddler’s future, and yours, will be decided by the son of the man who was tortured to death over the course of five days, by the daughter of the man on the end of Lynndie’s leash, by Katrina’s Missing Children.
DF, it’s so nice to hear from somebody who’s pissed off, and not about Republicans, but about suffering.
Everything you said.
I question this assumption. In fact, I believe most Americans hold progressive values. Note that even Republicans are starting to sound a little progressive now in the aftermath of Katrina.
But this is the mindset being put forth by right-wing apologists and backers who really are against progressive values. It’s the rationale put forth by “centrists” who claim that progressives are problems to be eliminated.
The ugly truth, I submit, is that many members of the Democrat politocracy, the DLC, the NDN and certain would-be “leaders” either do not care about progressive values or actively oppose progressive values.
Progressives have no party advancing their cause. But that doesn’t mean progressives are a minority.
mg, this is a thesis I would love to believe:
Note that even Republicans are starting to sound a little progressive now in the aftermath of Katrina.
Can you elaborate? What I heard after Katrina was anger at government ineptitude and negligence. I didn’t notice anything particularly progressive.
Examples, please.
Take a look at “The Emerging Democratic Majority,” or “What’s the Matter with Kansas.” There is data and good analysis to show that, while the word “liberal” has been sufficiently demonized to scare people off of claiming it, liberal ideas still resonate, if you state them properly. Say union, people get antsy. Say that workers should have protections and rights and people are overwhelmingly in agreement. There is a vein of populism in this country that Republcans have captured with dittohead rhetoric, but that would be better articulated and better served by progressive approaches to assuring the rights of the “little guy.” Progressive values of individual liberty, as opposed to corporate governance just need to be articulated better. Democrats have done a lousy job of it, largely because party insiders are as scared of actual democracy as Republicans.
Recordkeeper and the others put it quite well.
Specifically re the GOP, just look at Bush’s Katrina speech where he talked about the importance of government in the rebuilding of the area. Note all the progressive notes he sounded. Note all the conservative deeds he did not talk about (like cutting the contractor wage requirements). He sounded like a progressive.
The Clear Skies Act. The Healthy Forests Act. The Clean Water Act. The GOP certainly works hard to SOUND progressive. While they’ve been quite brazen about their authoritarian government agenda towards personal lives, they’ve been rather coy about their aid and comfort to foreign national corporations.
Why? Because the people want and demand progressive policies. Fairness. Rights. Justice.
Just look at rights. The way Dems and Republicans talk about them, it’s “special protections.” And nobody likes the sound of that.
But ask people, “Whose civil rights should be taken away?” and most people will say, “Nobody’s.”
The problem politically with progressive values is that they’re not easy to manipulate. And there’s not much money in it. Any wonder that the Democratic Party players are speaking out against progressive values?
Dear Recordkeeper and media girl,
As I said, I hope you are right. But I’m still skeptical.
“Individual liberty” too often boils down to simple selfishness. Similarly, the Bush rhetoric that appeals to Americans’ better instincts works largely because it is empty rhetoric, i.e., it’s not going to cost Americans a dime, and they know it.
Ask Americans if they are willing to sacrifice personally to ensure that everyone–including poor people, people of colour, semi-literates, the mentally- and physically-handicapped, etc.–enjoys equal liberty. Ask them if they are willing to pay higher taxes to ensure clean skies, healthy forests, clean water, and excellent public schools.
As soon as any kind of personal sacrifice is required, support for these comfortable pieties will drop, exposing these ‘progressive’ sentiments as mere sentimentality. Americans like to think of themselves as nice people. They don’t, however, want to give anything up to do the right things.
Bush and his crowd understand this perfectly; hence the phrase “Compassionate Conservative”, which captures perfectly the tactic of mouthing sympathetic sentiments while continuing to grab everything for yourself and your wealthy friends.
I think that establishment Democrats understand it, too, which explains their reluctance to climb up on a progressive bandwagon that they know only a minority of Americans will follow.
Progressive policies have majority support in the United States. Universally available healthcare, a restrained and moral foreign policy, keeping the government out of our personal lives, and allowing women to make their own health care decisions are all ideas that regularly best 50% in polling.
Then money and the two-party system enter the picture, and such issues are never mentioned again by the Democrats we elected.
Not only do our policies make obvious human sense, they are also popular. To enact them, we must elect leaders rather than just politicians.
Barack Obama showed me last week that progressives criticizing Democrats–calling them to voice displeasure at their shitty, shitty votes–is heard loud and clear. I see no reason to keep my “powder dry” while the people I worked and voted for refuse to do anything but live comfortable office lives.
Throw the bums out. On both sides. They’re not representing America.
ubikkibu, I disagree (sadly) with much of what you say (see my reply to media girl and Recordkeeper, up-thread), but your mention of “money and the two-party system” reminds me of another barrier to progressive change in American politics:
The Electoral College.
Get rid of it. Give me one vote that counts exactly the same, no more and no less, than everyone else’s vote.
Then those poll numbers you mention might begin to have more impact.
Unfortunately, there is almost zero interest in abolishing the Electoral College because doing so would impinge on the vested interests of the two-party system. Which puts us back to where we are, again: fucked.
I completely agree. It is my opinion that we, the progressives of America, are the “silent majority.”
Americans believe in the American values espoused in the Bill of Rights. Americans of virtually all stripes. Only an elite few look at The Constitution and the Bill of Rights as an obstacle to be gotten around. The rest of us take these things very seriously and for granted all at the same time. For 99% of Americans the argument is simply about priorities and solutions but not about fundamental principles.
The other side is simply better at mass media false advertising then we are. They are better at activating a gut level response from people that makes their false arguments appear right and worth supporting.
This is what the framing argument is all about. We need to learn not to compromise or concede that “America is a more conservative nation” but rather how to evoke the gut level response in people that “all people are created equal” and the governments rule “with the consent of the governed” only.
I think you are absolutely right. Virtually every American alive today has grown up with the New Deal as the basis of government. The idea that government is to provide services and solve problems. Most Americans take this for granted and don’t understand what it is that the Norquists of the world are really trying to do… not until they see the FEMA/Katrina effect and then they say… “Wait one minute there buster!”
Andrew, I’m starting to feel like the Grinch here, but I have to ask:
How many Americans do you think know what the Bill of Rights is, much less know what’s in it? The “99%” I see don’t even follow the news, until a major disaster hits. For them, the only argument is which channel to watch, or whether to pass on the fries this time. Most people are not informed, and not engaged. Their perspective ends at the tip of their nose.
Well… I don’t think I’d agree with you on saying “most people.” Too many people, certainly but not necessarily most.
But… more importantly… ask those same people about free speech and they’ll tell you they can say any damn thing they want to and no one can do anything about it… especially the government and then they’ll back it up with the threat of going and getting their gun which no one, especially the government, can take away from them. They’ll tell you that they can believe any damn thing they want and they’ll tell you that their home is their castle and they don’t care if you’re a G-man or not you ain’t comin’ in without a warrent. And they’ll tell you that they are innocent until proven guilty and that they’ll get their day in court.
These are things every American believes. They may not know where they come from. They probably never think about twice about it but we’re American’s gawddammit and you can’t take our freedoms away from us and you can’t tell us what to do, say, think, or believe. To hell with you.
We share with this even the most ignorant, backwater, inbred, right wing wacko with a 3rd grade education that the other side has. It’s just part of being American… and that is my point. You don’t have to understand constitutional law or precedent. You don’t have to be right wing or left, fascist or commie, or anywhere inbetween. We have all been taught these things while growing up or came to America because we were taught we could have these things when we got here.
It is much the same with Social Security which is why we were able to hand bush a serious defeat there. You don’t have to know that Social Security was a Democratic New Deal program instituted by FDR. All you need to know is that Gramma relies on her monthly Social Security check to put food on her table and you only have to go check on her that last week of the month to make sure she’s still got food. You don’t have to know it was The Great Society of Lyndon Johnson. All you have to know is that Momma has her medicare card when you take her for her check-ups.
You can bitch about all those lazy blacks and poor people living off of welfare and it may be humiliating when you have to buy your groceries using food stamps but when you get laid off and those food stamps are feeding your kid you swallow that pride and find yourself grateful that they are there for good hard working people like yourself.
And if it isn’t you then you want them there for your sisters kids when your brother-in-law gets laid off. Or your own kid when he is trying to make it in the world but the jobs you thought he’d have available are going overseas or don’t pay enough or provide health care.
The right sells their bullshit argument in a way that hides those truths from people but most of folks take these things for granted. They expect FEMA to be there the day after the storm. They expect the Army Corp of Engineers to be funded enough to make sure the levees hold. They expect the National Guard to be there to fight forest fires, help flood and storm victims, to control looting and riots when things get out of hand. They expect a government that works for them and provides services to them. The numbers of Americans that pre-date the New Deal are quickly diminishing and even for them it has been there most of their lives. Government provides services and takes care of the big things like roads and levees and dams and natural disaster and war.
Most all Americans think so. They may or may not have thought it out but it is what they believe because it is what they have known all their lives. All our lives.
I just always get frusterated by the fact that I don’t think the left-middle-right breakdown is where the problem is for us. Howard Dean’s candidacy broke all of those old lines down in my mind. As much as the DLC and media want to try to label him as such – Dean was not a traditional liberal. I think he spoke to us progressives for three reasons:
Other than that, his agenda was a mixed bag of what he thought were pragmatic responses to lots if issues (ie balanced budget).
Here is the candidate that gave real meaning to the “netroots” and motivated this progressive to work my butt off for him.
I agree that continually compromising toward the “middle” as it has been defined by the Republicans and MSM is dangerous for us right now – but I get tired of the insiders always defining our alternatives.
This is interesting. On one hand, I’m glad to see confirmation that some of the ideas of the netroots are being taken seriously by the NYTimes and by Congresspeople like Obmama.. but it seems like they are often mischaracterized. I agree with you Booman that the big ideas thing isn’t some official policy of the netroots. I think if you got together any group of 70,000 people talking about politics you’d hear a lot of ideas, but that doesn’t mean that we are all signing our names to some crazy manifesto.
I do think that the article makes a good point about the netroots always advocating for killing each new Republican proposal. Let me clarify, I do believe in the general attitude that Democrats should speak up for our values, represent us, and be clear about what it means to be a Democrat. I also agree with the notion that Democrats should stand up to the Republican agenda. But I think if one were to take a step back and look at the netroots, one would really see that many people take these ideas, which most of us share, and apply them to each scenario.
Even if we were right, that the traditional notions of reserving political capital are bunk, i.e. that the opposite is now true, that politicians gain political capital by taking a stand and being outspoken, I still think that it would be in our interest to consider each situation (even though, I know there are some Dems who seem to never stand up for our values).
I hope HRC reads the Booman Tribune!
I guess Rosenberg believes that “governing” means giving the majority party what they want without making them fight for it.
I call that capitulation.
And as for the argument that governance requires compromise, I liken compromise to casino gambling. The more you do it, the more certain it becomes that you’ll lose everything. The DLC strategy seems to have been provingthe truth of this since the mid ’90’s.
… a giving of ground by two parties. When one side doesn’t give and only the other one does it becomes capitulation. This is what we have been seeing and it is what the Washinton class appear unable to see. The current Republican leadership doesn’t give ground and doesn’t compromise. The proper response to such actions is to stop giving ground and compromising/capitulating as well.
Rosenberg says NOW that we’re supposed to talk about appeasment? NOW?!?
His buddy kos’ little attack dogs have gone ruthlessly after ANYBODY who has used that characterization of the DC Vichy Dems (I know, I’ve got the flame scars to show for it) and suddenly NOW they’re about the activist class?
Oh, what a load of crap. Hey, Mr. Bai, how about you talk to some of the excellent bloggers who don’t hang out with that idiot Rosenberg? How about Media Girl, or the folks at Pandagon, or Billmon? Maybe even Gilliard, who to his credit has been as disgusted with the appeasement as the rest of us for quite some time. There are more bloggers in the universe than Marcos, Bowers, Wonkette and Atrios.
Rosenberg, NDN and dailyKos are NOT the sole repository of the netroots. Especially not dailyKos, which spends much time as-of-late ATTACKING activists.
Hillary will be in trouble because she’s a pro-war, pro-business insider hack. She’s been that for a long time.
Man the “reporting” at that paper just gets lazier and lazier.
This analysis of the crisis in the Democratic Party – and I think it becomes clearer by the day that there is one – is more intelligent and insightful than anything I have seen published in the major “opinion leader” newspapers in this country. (I won’t even deign to include TV pundits – their shallowness leaves them out of this conversation entirely.)
I know that you and Markos (and I, for whatever that’s worth) share the same ultimate goal – get the Republicans out of power. They are doing damage to our country, the planet, and millions of individual human beings on this planet that must be stopped.
The reason I consider BooTrib my “bloghome” is that I think your analysis of how to accomplish this urgent goal is better than Markos’s. Matt Bai – who has done much good work in his writings in the past – fails to see the fundamental shift in this country and how it affects the Democratic Party, as you so ably pointed out above.
Time is running out. The 06 elections are only a little more than a year away. That is not much time in campaign terms. The millions of people whose lives are being destroyed (many quite literally – they are dying) cannot wait until 08 for the Republican majority and their destructive agenda to be stopped. The chance of taking back one of the branches of government is our only hope. But that is not going to happen, I fear, until more Democratic leaders see what you are pointing out. I don’t think the majority of voters and potential voters see things all that differently from those of us netroots types. What sets us apart is that our hair is on fire.
I would love to see this published as a widely-read op-ed. Have you considered doing that?
I’m actually not all that happy with this piece. I wrote it late last night when I was tired and began to loose steam on it. It should have been three times as long, and tackled the NDN/Rosenberg/Kos side of things too. Bai’s mistake is to rely on Rosenberg to represent the opposite side of the argument. After all, what am I? Chopped liver?
The problem with the “elegant strategy” of her “closest advisors” is it is fallatious.
Unfortunately Sen. Clinton is not an icon of the left… and she did climb into a tank as far as many, many on the left are concerned when she voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act.
I am not a Hillary hater and don’t agree with those that completely trash her for these votes. For the most part her voting record is fine as far as I am concerned but the places where there are problems are very key votes such as the IWR, the Patriot Act, and other crucial measures. It is hard to overlook or overcome these problems.
Sen. Clinton has a serious problem on her left already and if this is the best her advisors can do then she is in even deeper trouble. Booman, you fairly accurately describe the problems and disagreements here in your post and the Washington consultant class advise Sen. Clinton appears to be getting is the same stuff that has been losing elections for Democrats for the last 25 years.