I do not know
what will happen after I die
I do not want to know.
But I would like the Potter to make a whistle
From the clay of my throat.
May this whistle fall into the hands
Of a cheeky and naughty child
And the child to blow hard on the whistle continuously
With the suppressed and silent air of his lungs
And disrupt the sleep
Of those who seem dead
To my cries.
Anonymous, Baxter Immigration Detention Centre, Australia.
This diary is dedicated the voiceless and powerless around the world.
The recent discord in the Booman community was difficult for most, I believe, and I am glad to see people’s equilibrium returning. I am also glad to see that despite the very raw and real emotions people were/are feeling, the discord has been resolved without any “blood loss” -to use a short hand I hope is not too evocative.
Perhaps one of the most striking issues that came out of the diaries and debates was the issue of – who’s voices are heard? To me, this is a fundamental issue that western liberals have to wrap their heads around. This diary is an attempt to initiate a non-blaming, sincere discussion on the topic.
I want to emphasise that the topic here is NOT:
- who is right or wrong
- who is good or evil
The Topic IS (and here I gratefully quote Dove):
Who gets to speak? Who gets to have things heard their way? Who decides the language with which we characterise each other and our actions? Who gets to generalise? Who’s version of events is accepted as fact? Who gets to speak bluntly, and has the privilege of speaking carelessly?
And hence, conversely –
Who does not get to speak or has no avenue to do so? Who has their version of events automatically questioned? Who has to worry about the consequences of generalisations, and pays, in very real terms, if they speak carelessly? Who self-censors on a daily basis?
If we were to discuss this academically, we would be trying to unpick the dominant discourse; and who is currently generating it, and disseminating it.
The Dominant Discourse is a term we owe to Foucault, and it is usually defined as “term that indicates a certain way thinking and talking is the most common and most accepted way. It is often used to imply an institutionalised way of thinking about things” (the simplest & most directly relevant definition I could find after trawling a few academic websites).
I think it’s a useful reference to have, but I don’t want this to turn into an abstract, academic discussion – such a discussion will probably only silence people further. Instead, I am going to try and illustrate what I am talking about with a series of examples.
Example 1 – the illegal detention of asylum seekers, Australia
No-one knows who the author is of the achingly poignant poem I opened this diary with – I keep it on my office wall to remind me who has no voice in my country. He or she is simply one of the many thousands of people who has been indefinitely and illegally detained by Australia, for the “crime” of finding some desperate means to reach Australia from a war-torn or otherwise untenable country, and request asylum as a refugee here. Australia currently has a policy of indefinite detention for such claimant refugees, even though they have broken no law, and over time, over 90% have been shown to have legitimate claims as a refugee, and have been released into Australian society (most on a “Temporary Protection Visa” which has such restricted conditions – inability or restricted ability to work, to access social security and education, English language training and so on, that volunteer organisations have been created by ordinary Australians to fill the despicable void left by our government -but that is a story for another time).
To get Australians to agree to this disgusting policy, the first thing the Howard Government did was change the language used to describe the refugees. They labelled them “illegals” -even though their actions were entirely legal – and “queue jumpers” – even though most were coming from countries where Australia has no diplomatic presence to process requests for asylum, or a humanitarian program to formally organise a quota of refugees from their country of origin. In other words, the government used its power to decide what the truth was, and who’s version of events was accepted. And they used language very cleverly to do it. The most essential value belief you could ascribe to Australian society is the common belief in “a fair go” for everyone. By labelling asylum seekers “queue jumpers”, the government changed the community perception of them to people who were denying others “a fair go” and being selfish.
Secondly, the government has ensured that there is absolutely limited, if any, access or ability for the refugees to speak to the Australian public and tell their stories, or for others to do so on their behalf. The immigration detention centres – otherwise known as prisons, which are surrounded by a 9,000 volt “courtesy fence” – are located considerable distances outside major metropolitan centres, making it difficult for advocates and legal representation, and the press, to physically get to the refugees. The refugees have no freedom of movement. Any public statement they do manage to make about themselves, and their claim to asylum, is rigorously examined and criticised by the press, triggered by government claims entirely contradicting what little individual refugees have been able to say about themselves & their circumstances.
The government routinely portrays the refugees as illiterate, possible terrorists, impoverished and possibly criminal people who have nothing to offer Australia, and no right – despite international and national law – to ask to stay. Imagine the surprise of conservative rural Queensland farmers, for example, when they discovered that Immigration detainees sent to provide seasonal picking labour on their farms (a whole other story) were actually engineers, teachers, doctors, academics, successful merchants and so on. Needless to say, that particular program was swiftly axed, but not before Rural Australians for Refugees was born.
The tide is slowly turning in Australia. One of the reasons for this is that refugee activists have worked tirelessly to find ways to get the voices of refugees heard by ordinary Australians – via books published of their letters, via information smuggled out of detention, by drawing press attention to Immigration appeals, by highlighting refugee families living amongst us and the draconian decisions being made, and through groups such as “Actors for Refugees”, who tour the country doing a part-play, part spoken word piece telling a very different story about refugee treatment and asylum in Australia.
Example 2 – the portrayal of New Orleans’ blacks after Hurricane Katrina
This has been analysed in much detail at this site and other liberal blogs, so I don’t want to dwell. What I wanted to remind people of was the immediate use and careless(? -or deliberate?), general application of the word “looters” by the MSM to describe what was initially at least, desperate people taking food, water and other essential supplies in the city. This was followed by criminal motivations being ascribed to the actions of blacks shown shooting at helicopters, raiding stores, and holding weapons. As we know, there is considerable conflicting evidence from the first few days that suggests the majority of actions were taken as part of trying to survive; and dedicated bloggers found personal stories from New Orleans that illustrated not only this, but how profoundly hurt, marginalised, silenced, censored and judged many blacks from New Orleans felt by the media portrayal of them. I think it can be credibly argued that the efforts of government officials in collaboration with the media to criminalise and dehumanise the largely poor black victims of Katrina was used to justify the prioritisations undertaken as part of evacuation, and the use of force, containment and confinement over rescue efforts – and it was made possible by controlling who spoke and who was heard.
Via Hurricane Katrina, Americans were given a brutal and stark reminder of the power their government has to control the dominant discourse, and radically alter both the common perception, and hence justify profoundly unjust actions – ones that are still ongoing. It is worth taking that internal (domestic) reflection, and seeing how it is equally applicable externally, as the USA seeks to and largely does control the dominant discourse when in comes to other nations, of which the most prominent at present are Iraq and Afghanistan.
Example 3 – Why UNICEF bombed the Smurfs
In a recently released and very startling advertisement aimed at raising awareness of the effects of war on children, specifically to raise money for child soldiers in Africa, UNICEF produced an animation showing a happy village of Smurfs being bombed, with the last terrible image being of a small crying child Smurf surrounded by blazing buildings and Smurf corpses.
I was bemused, and caught between reactions of laughing and total puzzlement when I first read about it. Then this bit of reporting caught me eye:
“In test showings, the sight of beloved cartoon characters killed by bombs proved far more effective than similar images from the real world at sending UNICEF’s anti-war message”
In other words, we relate more positively and empathetically to the suffering of fictional blue characters, than to images of suffering Africans and other people from the developed world. Why? I would suggest it is because we rarely hear, and fundamentally cannot relate, to the voices of humans beings from the developed world, they are fundamentally denied access to speaking to us, and considerable effort is poured by various powers that be into keeping it that way.
Example 4- RubDMC’s Iraq War Grief Daily Witness diaries
RubDMC provides an invaluable service to us all, by trying to, through the images available, provide a voice for those who are victims of the Iraq war. I admire RubDMC’s efforts greatly, and have particularly noted his/her scrupulousness at portraying pictures of victims on both “sides”. I check it faithfully every day. Yet today is the first time I can remember one of the Daily Witness diaries making it into the main “recommended diaries list”, and it has more comments than I can recall – or find in the archives – any of the previous diaries . Why? My proposition is simple. Today’s diary shows a picture of a young American soldier with his children, and he is now dead. People on this site can instantly relate, person to person, in the most visceral way, and find the need to say something. Yet, RubDMC’s diaries have previously contained very similar images of Iraqis, or of much more terrible images of Iraqi men, women and children besides themselves with grief and loss. Yet we do not comment. Why? I would suggest that because we so rarely hear their voice, we have very little or no real human connection, and cannot react, person to person. Denied a voice, we in turn find we have no way to express a more personal and human response to the many `silent’ Iraqi victims.
Attempting to bring it all together
American liberals in general, including those on this site, are now well-familiar with, and dedicated to winning the war on framing and language against the neo-conservative theocracy. There has been excellent, in-depth discussion on how to take back the dominant discourse, the framing of certain actions, the silencing and marginalisation of American liberal voices. Around the world, people are applauding you, supporting you. They are also aware that what American liberals are now fighting is merely a domestic manifestation of what many around the world have been resisting in many forms, for many years. Indeed, as those of us outside watch the internal struggle within the USA, many of us are thinking “’bout time!”.
As liberal America starts to show signs of regaining ground, we are now fast approaching a critical block, that must be shifted if we are to build a better world. It is one that rests on a demand that liberal Americans must now extend those internal efforts, to now tackle dismantling the global framing of ideas and norms (ie the dominant discourse) that the USA has used to subjugate the rest of the world to its will.
It is a demand that the same efforts to provide a voice to marginalised liberal America is given to the many profoundly marginalised peoples of the world.
It is a demand that American liberals go further than listening to global criticism of Bush, and listen to the more broader and long-standing criticisms of America as a whole. It is at its heart, a demand that the American-controlled dominant discourse that promulgates American exceptionalism must end.
Who is making this demand? The people we cannot relate to unless the Smurfs speak for them. The people that RubDMC shows in his diaries, to whom we don’t know what to say or how to speak for them, or about them.
They make up many thousands if not millions of people around the globe; and while this has been going on for decades, it has become a far more tangible thing, something it is possible to engage with since 9/11.
Indeed, the attraction of terrorism is in large part an (arguably) inevitable product of the voiceless resorting to the most brutal form of expression they can in order to be heard; – consequences be damned. Now as the crisis reaches a peak, we are fortunate and privileged that largely thanks to the Internet, and the facility of non-English speaking people to learn English, marginalised voices are there to be found and listened to. This is what some would call “a teaching moment”
So where do we go from here? Well (to continue the quote for Buffy fans), we can either “go hand in hand…”, or “…walk alone in fear”. This is a stark choice for liberal America. More than ever now, as Bush drives the country both internally and externally, inexorably towards its nadir, it is critical that you actively seek out, give space to and listen to external, marginalised voices.
Americans must grasp that while there are signs of cracks in US power, it is still unequivocally the sole global superpower, and unequivocally sets the dominant discourse. In doing so, it is dictating the norms of global behaviour.
A straight-forward example – look how the Bush administration insistence on the doctrine of pre-emption is leading to appalling consequences. Within days of Bush proclaiming it, Israel claimed a similar right and invaded the Gaza strip, and within months India, Pakistan and North Korea claimed the right to pre-emptive nuclear strike.
The US refusal to sign treaties that would see American troops subject to the International Criminal Court has provided the excuse for many countries to refuse to ratify it. We are dangerously behind in our response to climate change and the looming energy crisis, because these two things are not acknowledged in the voice of USA, and it is the dominant voice, that silences others with threat and violence (lookout Venezuala)
And when ordinary Americans on blogs for instance, out of strong and entirely understandable emotional bonds defend the actions of their troops, or demand exceptions when it comes to judging the actions of Americans, it promulgates both the breakdown of those fragile international standards, reinforces the dogma of American exceptionalism, and silences those who are already marginalised by a profoundly unjust world, and world power.
From my own interactions, it is without doubt, a very uncomfortable and hard time for Americans. But as Ductape Fatwa has so eloquently argued many times recently, this discomfort must be courageously embraced, not angrily rejected. In short-it’s ok to feel really emotionally wrought by all this, but please keep listening, and thinking.
The combination of the catastrophic actions of Bush, and new communication mediums like the Internet have gone a long way to shattering the illusions of many aspects of American society, not least how it is perceived by the rest of the world. If we are to do much better than simply removing the most fascist President in American history, and actually move towards, yes, world peace, Americans are going to have to accept (not necessarily agree, but accept) that a significant percentage of the world does not think that the USA is largely a force for good, and that no, this is not an extremist or fanciful premise devoid of evidence. It’s based on direct experience, and a lot of seemingly forgotten history, and if we as a world want terrorism to cease (and poverty, and so on) , it’s a view that must be given listening space, and credence.
It also means either ceding the right to speak in blunt generalisations, or expanding it to all and ending self-censorship, no matter how much it hurts.
As often seems to happen, I don’t know how to end this, so I think I’ll just stop. I’ll leave it to you to judge whether there was some worth in this, and if so, how we go about addressing it here at the wonderful world of Boo.
[update: those who read this first and scan back across it may notice that I’ve edited a little, and added a little to improve clarity (I hope!) ]
’cause I always feel the need for one.
Some readers may get to the bottom and think (steaming slightly) – why is Imogen (myriad) only talking about Americans? Surely this is something that other parts of the western world, like the UK, the EU and Australia also bear responsibility for.
Yes, yes and a thousand times yes. But a couple of things back –
My choice of the first example was a quite deliberate insertion of an Australian topic and reality into the diary – partly to imply that the problem is not the USA’s alone, and partly to slyly introduce a topic I am passionate about to this forum.
Well done on the last matter, o passionate sly one! I’ve had a part-drafted diary waiting for weeks on Tampa and attitudes to refugees. I find it very hard to write, too!
Do you find it hard to write for the same reasons?
I think I’ve tried about 5 times to write a diary on Australia’s utterly shameful treatment of asylum seekers, but each time have found myself overwhelmed by either emotion, backstory or just…overwhelmed.
I’m a perfectionist with my writing and can’t ever seem to get it right… plus I’m a procrastinator. And lately life has just been very full, so I haven’t spent as much time on the net.
No one should ever stop from publishing a diary just because it is not perfect. It is for this very reason that we have an “edit” option on them!
Presentation may be important for determinining if a diary is “Front Page material”, but more important is to share the idea.
Once the idea is out there it can be refined as comments point out inconsistancies, or maybe even more credible sources to support the thesis.
The diaries that stand on their own, people will tell you. The diaries that need a tweak can be updated or edited. The diaries that prove to be wrong, well, there is always delete as a last resort!
Check the front page of any of the blog communities:
Even all of the great front pagers everywhere use healthy doses of corrections and updates, and sometimes even they throw out some “dud ideas”. They would never have known it if they didn’t post it in the first place!
I hope you and canberra boy (and whoever else may be lurking out there) will not hesitate to write about what’s going on in your country.
As a Canadian, I took a risk when I wrote my “Oh Canada!” diary on this American blog but part of the reason I did it was to show that things can be different – that there is hope for American liberals and that they’re not alone. We need to write about the best and the worst in our countries so we can understand shared experiences. Isolationism is a very lonely thing.
All of us non-Americans are affected by US dominance but how we choose to integrate that into our lives is up to us – at least for those of us who have the freedom to choose in the first place.
I often see the US as an insecure nation – as one which must boast the loudest knowing that its weaknesses are many. That’s why I strongly suspected that 9/11, in fact, would not change everything as we were repeatedly told.
Humility is not one of the long-lasting characteristics of the United States and its people have suffered for it. A nation can be great and humble at the same time. It takes an exceptional leader to make it so. If there’s any place for exceptionalism in any country, that is it. I think that is why, under this administration, the dream of American exceptionalism has crumbled. But, it can be restored in a way that is respectful to the international community and that’s the spirit I see here on this blog and in talking with so many on the American left.
Any nation that takes on the mantle of exceptionalism for itself is only asking for heartache.
The nation(s) that deserve to be considered exceptional will be granted such stature by the community of nations and their peoples. Just look at how many on the American left look to Canada for a better role model of what a civilized nation’s attitudes and actions towards the community of nations should be.
Exceptionalism is the moral self-justification for imperialism, and even Kipling, poet laureate of imperialism, warned that the reward for taking on “The White Man’s Burden” (a poem directed at the US, incidentally) was to be “blame,” “hatred,” thankless toil, and “dear-bought wisdom.”
And so another generation of Americans who bought the lie find out, echoing in their hearts the words of Kipling’s compatriot Houseman, whose sadder but wiser young man says:
There are many paths to heartache, and this administration seems bent on making sure we explore as many as possible…
Mainly from the jungle books & my own connection to India (I’ve travelled there since I was a child as my mother has an abiding passion for the place). He was a complex character, and some of his poems are incredibly poignant.
I’ve been meaning to say, I absolutely love your sig.
It was one of the choices in the poll I had when I asked folks what I should change my user name to (when I dropped “Dem in Knoxville.”) It didn’t win, but Joe liked it so much I decided to keep it as a sig line.
Boo is streets ahead of other Us liberal blogs in that it actually has a ‘world diaries’ section, and people read & recommend them, and it has Euro Trib as an affiliate.
Part of it is that there’s often so much backstory that needs to be explained to get to the point of the issue that’s occupying me. Part of it is that I recently became the secretary for my state Green Party, and I’ve been making a conscious effort to actually focus on my home, and doing what I can to build a better future – ’cause things are sure going to hell in a handbasket here right now, and have been on a downward slide for many years.
In short, I’m still trying for a balance, and I probably try and write much too comprehensive diaries.
Good points. On the background stuff, links to wiki or some news agency’s rundown are your friend. π
Congrats on your secretary position!
I also know what you mean about balance. I can go for days focused on US politics and not even know what’s gong on at home because so much is happening in the US right now that interests me. It is tough!
This was an excellent diary and I learned a lot from what you wrote. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
Agree with your points under ‘bringing it all together’, Myriad. I’ll be interested to see whether you get much disagreement from the American pond-dwellers: i suspect not. I see small signs of American exceptionalism here all the time – for example references to the greatness of the hallowed US Constitution as though it is a model for the world. But by and large I think most ‘Tribbers are reasonably aware of how the US is viewed around the world and the role it plays.
Thanks Canberra boy. Great to see your handle, haven’t seen it for a bit.
I agree with your comment. Mind you, I was looking at our Constitution and reading a bit of it’s history recently. I don’t find it very inspiring, which mainly is of course from it resulting as an Act of British Parliament, rather than the full-blown expression of an independent nation.
I’d like to think we’ll get ’round to adding a Bill of Rights before I kick the bucket too. :/
I wouldn’t go round advocating it as a model, but it has some interesting features, picking up aspects of the US system, codifying some of the features of Westminster, and leaving a whole lot unwritten. It would be possible to turn us into a US-style system merely by electing the Governor-General. While some people refer to it as Washminster, I like to think of it as Axminster.
AS it’s late in the USA, I’m gonna recklessly take my own diary off-topic & talk Aus constitution.
Are you in favour of a Republic? Do you want to directly elect a GG-equivalent?
I’m most definitely not a monarchist, but I think the only benefit we’ve derived from His or Her Heiney has been that the british monarchy is effectively a neutral, deadweight that has powers it will never actually exercise. I’d like to see a Republic with a figurehead PResident with no actual power beyond statesperson duties, and the democratic accountability of Parliament and the PM beefed up.
btw, what do you mean by Axminster?
Main Constitution-wise, I think 1) we desparately need a Bill of Rights and 2) we need to clear up the schmozzle created by the unspoken or delineated state’s rights, and the many albeit small contradictions – oh, and make NT & ACT fully fledged states.
No, I don’t want an elected Governor-General, because that would give the person a mandate/charter to exercise all the powers the G-G has under the Constitution – a kind of US President, but with little constraint from the Parliament.
I’m with you on the republic with a figurehead President and parliamentary model. I reckon the accountability part could be taken care of by either:
Bill of Rights: yes.
Axminster: just a carpet joke.
Now I’ve got to go and pay attention to the kids and start preparing dinner: we have a pretty regular gig with friends on Friday.
Thanks, myriad, you make a powerful case. As a Canadian, I too feel a little removed from the American discourse, but as a western first-worlder, I acknowledge my own and my country’s complicity in the silencing you so eloquently describe.
Who gets to speak, and who is heard? To quote Adrienne Rich, “This is the oppressor’s language, but I need it to talk to you.” Your examples are bitter proof that Newspeak is alive and well. A 9,000 volt “courtesy fence”? Jesus H. Christ in colours.
Sorry this is a little incoherent — I should be asleep, but I couldn’t go to bed without thanking you for this thought-provoking (and sure to provoke discussion) diary.
and Audre Lorde – two of the most powerful voices for the voiceless in the USA. Thanks for digging out a fantastically apt quote from Rich.
Over and over I am reminded of Lorde’s seminal essay “the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house”. (paraphrase)
I wish I was that coherently incoherent late at night. π
Thanks so much for writing this. And also for your choice of examples.
I have another example that I’d like to add to the mix.
Here in the U.K., a family of three children — the oldest just sixteen — have gone into hiding. The Home Office recently deported their mother back to Uganda after rejecting the family’s claim for asylum. The oldest, who has had to leave college to care for her siblings, had this to say:
The family sought asylum in Britain in January 2001, the mother claiming that she and her eldest child had been raped and tortured following the desertion of her husband, an officer in the Ugandan army. In a letter rejecting her asylum claim, the Home Office said that rapes and beatings did not amount to persecution.
Rape and beatings don’t amount to persecution. What can be said to that?
The children are in hiding because they fear that they too shall be deported if the Home Office finds them. And indeed a Home Office spokesman has said, doubtless in smooth and honeyed tones that
The eldest daughter has this to say about being “reunited with her family”
It sounds identical to cases here.
I forgot to mention – after we (Australia) have held people indefinitely, and in some cases decided they can’t stay, we don’t just ship them off (I can’t even say ‘ship them home’, as there is evidence in numerous cases of sending people to the wrong country,ie the one Australian officials have decided they are from, come hell of high water) – we send them a bill for their time spent in mandatory detention. Onse such bill for a family that had fought to stay for 5 years was over a million dollars.
You can’t make this kind of sick shit up.
which means I won’t be on the ‘net soon, and not responding to any comments for about 10-12 hours.
Just so no-one thinks I’m rude. π
Just a useless question for a laugh here:
Toilets are supposed to flush in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere.(???)
When you crawl into bed after having a few too many drinks does the room spin in the opposite direction down under as well? (lol jk)
BTW, interesting diary.
Yes, water flows anticlockwise down sinks and toilets in the southern hemisphere. And here’s a cool thing – if you ever get a chance to stand on the equator, get a bucket of water and put a hole in the middle; – now if you were to step north the water will swirl out clockwise; take two steps to get down south and it will flow counterclockwise. but stand exactly on the equator and the water will simply flow directly out without any direction but down
Pretty cool huh?! π
I don’t get drunk often enough to test the room spinning hypothesis, but you’ve almost made me want to, to find out! π
This is an excellent diary Imogen – thanks. I’m guessing it must be about bedtime for you as I write this.
I know I feel a great kinship with people in Australia,so appreciate your writing about what happens to them.
Even though we might not all be sitting in the same boat, we are certainly all rocked by the same planet-spanning waves.
I think any efforts to hear the silent voices (no matter where they are) is very worth it.
As an American, I must admit to my own culpability in all this. As I try to think about why I know that sometimes my head is so full of things to think about and worry about, I just can’t take in any more – so I go off uninterested in the things that aren’t close to home. Mind you, this is not an excuse, its just been my reality. There are times I think that if we all just agreed on our overall goals and then picked a few things we were each going to focus on trying to change, we might actually get something done. I know that when I feel like I need to personally care about everything thats wrong, I get exhausted and run the risk of inertia.
How does this reaction feed American exceptionalism among liberals. I’d love to hear your feedback.
Hey there,
first up, I think culpability is probably a bit strong – ok, I don’t know you, but I doubt you’re criminally responsible.
What I think we all bear, within our nation-states, and as citizens of the world, is a responsibility to each other, and the best ideals humans have collectively agreed to – like the UN Conventions, the Bill of Rights, Our Common Future etc.
I think we all get overwhelmed. I think a common liberal American mistake is to take it all on your (singular/collective) shoulders. That my friend, is simply another manifestation of American hubris. Sure, you’re the global superpower and have more resources than anyone to throw at particular problems, but there’s no way in hell the USA can fix everything alone. You can lead by powerful -by dent of your size and place in the world – example. I think Catnip touched on that really well in her first post on this thread.
I’ll give you an analogy. I work for the Australian Federal government, part of a team overseeing some funds for environmental work. We have a bilateral agreement with the state government of Tasmania (my state). The two governments are supposedly equal partners, but my senior bureacratic colleagues & Ministers treat the State as anything but equal – the result? the state sits back quietly and lets us take responsibility & culpability for everything – the fuck-ups, and the incredibly rare moments of praise from the community. In other words, my government’s hubris is letting the state abdicate all of it’s reposibility. Now who do you think is smarter? If we had an ounce of humility and common sense (and actually cared about the goals we are trying to achieve), we would treat the state as equal partners – equal money, responsibility, blame etc. – and we might actually achieve something (btw I’m paid as a facilitator, which means I float amongst this mess trying to ‘facilitate’ better on-ground outcomes – it’s a kick :p).
Ok, probably too much of a tangential example.
A wise American once said to me (much more elegantly, and I wish I’d written it down)
Imagine you are a farmer with a modest acerage. You look around you and see farms poorly managed, people hungry, more than you could ever fix. Now, you have choices; you can despair at the suffering and mismanagement around you and do nothing, suffering from the hubris that only being able to be a hero is worth doing; or you can tend to your own land with care and feed whom you can.
Myself, I’m trying to be the farmer who cares for (her) land & does what she can, and not sink into apathetical hubris. It’s a curse of the west, and most acutely of the USA.
At a more pragmatic level, the US has so many tendrils in so many parts of the world, it cannot simply withdraw to ‘tend it’s own land’ and set a good example without risking major repercussions if it doesn’t think about how to get there. One extreme to another never works out well.
That I think is the challenge for American liberals; and to a large degree how you choose to fix your domestic problems will dictate how you deal in the wolrd. For example, Democrats could continue with soft power, and partly solve the looming economic crisis at home by beefing up the ‘defence’ industry & sell more weapons overseas, creating more jobs at home. Democrats have already been largely supporting ‘free trade’, something that is quite literally killing the poor of the world, and benefiting only the fat cats at home, and a small percentage of the middle class.
Think globally, act locally. If the world’s governments all did that, what a wonderful world it would be. Admittedly I’m a passionate Green, and biased, but I’ve yet to hear a more compelling summary of how we’re all going to get out of this hole we’ve dug.
It’s not a popular view, but in my opinion, each person is responsible for his or her own choices and actions, farmer or banker, military or civilian.
I disagree with your suggestion that selling more weapons will benefit US economy. Certainly it will benefit the arms industry, but one of the problems with US economy that is causing much suffering in the non-wealthy classes is the transition to that single industry.
US has done more than enough to spread weapons of mass destruction, and demonstrate what formidable and remarkable products it is able to produce and market.
The population reduction industry, it is fair to say, would be nothing without the US. And that is something we can all pray for. π
Similarly, US has done enough outside its borders, there are now domestic concerns, as well as the international crisis, both of such urgency and of such an extreme nature that your very good point about going from one extreme to another is no longer applicable; the situation will become more extreme if extreme measures are not taken. (English teachers should love that sentence)
Just imagine the lives that would be saved if neither Australia nor any other nation made foreign policies based on currying favor with, avoiding being bombed by, (or both, for those who see a real difference) the US.
What is pragmatic for the bomb maker and pragmatic for the bomb survivor have some differences.. π
Hey DF,
I wasn’t trying to imply that beefing up the defence industry would be a long-term economic winner, but given that so many millions of Americans are employed through it, it has certainly been a short-term ‘winner’ in terms of economic strategy – and one I might add that Democrats have vigorously supported, presumably to show they are just as tough and their dick is just as big as the Republicans.
English teachers have regularly been appalled by my sentences. π
“What is pragmatic for the bomb maker and pragmatic for the bomb survivor have some differences…”
LOL. You have such a way with words. Well-put.
One of the problems, in my opinion, is that the US itself is a short term proposition.
Obviously, the status quo is not sustainable, spending a dollar to kill someone else’s child instead of dime to care for your own is 100% free of any long term characteristics.
Instead of making more bombs, and converting non-defense companies into bomb component companies, I would do the opposite, convert bomb component companies into – anything whose purpose is not exterminating human beings.
That will result in a stronger economy in the long term, and studies show that consumers are much more likely to spend money on Vegemite if they have not been exploded.
and studies show that consumers are much more likely to spend money on Vegemite if they have not been exploded.
You always seem to have an interesting way of putting things in perspective. lol
thank you for the subtle Australian reference there, Ductape. Vegemite is, of course, made by Kraft…
Thanks so much for your very thoughtful response to my question way up there prior to your conversation with DF. You gave me a lot to think about. And at the end of a very long work week, I think I’ll just ponder it for awhile. I do appreciate this kind of conversation that calls out our blind spots.
What a magnificent diary. Much food for thought dear writer. I too get so caught up in the chaos here in America my focus gets narrowed by the chatter. I must constantly remind myself(or others do it for me like you)to pay attention to the big picture. There is only one planet we live on, there is only one race and that is the HUMAN RACE. I so appreciate your writing and bringing it all together for me.
Right back at you sis! I did something yesterday to vent all my frustration. I got a tattoo of my dolphins on my lower back. It gave me a chance to scream alot…lol! It is really beautiful and something I have wanted to do for twenty years!!
I love dolphins…how many?
Who drew the art?
Two dolphins breaching and kissing with waves and some tribal outlining. I designed the tattoo and this fabulous artist named Dave did it in Encinitas. I am so stoked. I swam with the dolphins a few years back. What a spiritual experience that was. I have been having dolphin dreams all my life and have a miraculous connection to them. They are my spirit guides for sure. When ever something is troubling dolphins just seem to appear for me. Imagine that!
I always have the feeling that dolphins are just shaking their heads in dismay with the way that humans (in general) have chosen to live their lives, but that they and the whales are happy that we don’t live there under the sea with them!
Take good care of it and yourself as it heals, and if you do have a pic of the art, I would love to see it!
–Douglas Adams
I miss Doug Adams…..
Wow – congratulations! Good to see you here still. π I don’t know that I’d go as far as getting a tattoo to vent my frustrations (I usually just clean the house), but I’ll keep it in mind for the future.
Olivia’s picture of catnip seedlings was awful durn purty.
One problem with a wider focus is that can be very hard to know how to effectively address international issues.
When those issues are a direct result of our country’s actions, then we can at least confront what our country has done. But even when that is the case, I find that I also want and need to take more direct action to try to make real changes for people who have to live with the real ramifications of policy decisions.
For other people who feel this way, I’d like to suggest that you seek out and support organizations that work effectively in international areas.
One organization I strongly recommend is Women for Women International.
/shill
Is a great charity – a whie back myself & a bunch of US friends jointly sponsored a woman through it, but sadly that was one of the things that fell apart along with our friendships post 9-11.
I had to sit down and think hard recently about what charities I’d support, as it gets so overwhelming. In the end my partner (keres, here) chose:
OXfam -Community Aid Abroad – CAA were/are a long-standing highly credible Aus charity who focus on long-term development assistance, and take the ‘triple bottom line’ seriously – ie building socially, economically and environmentally sustainable futures for developing communities. They recently joined up with Oxfam, and they work wonderfully together. I also strong support their push for Fair Trade, and they do lots of work with Aboriginal Australia, local neighboring nations, and elsewhere.
the other was the Australian Bush Heritage Fund, which purchases and manages land of important conservation significance here, often focussing where our governments refuse to.
I think the (Australian/global) Green slogan of “think globally, act locally” – and that doesn’t mean not supporting international charities, but casting an eye over how they do what they do, and whether it’s building local autonomy etc. WFW is doing a great job.
What I particularly like about WFW is that they work at groundlevel and they understand that making incremental change is critically important to making permanent improvements.
And now that I know you are keres’ partner, I’m very jealous — I would love to get my hands on Luna (and I’m kind of taken with the blue-tongued skink, too).
We have to start from the recognition that civilization itself does not exist for information.
Suppose the question was not “who gets to speak,” but instead was “who gets to use the road.”
In the developed world and in much of the rest of the world, such a question is nonsensical. Everywhere there is civilization, governments of almost every type have recognized the need to provide roads and other infrastructure that is completely free and open to popular access. Of course there also countless other spaces that are privately held, where access and usage are privileges granted by their owners. We have a broad mix.
The most advanced societies have highly advanced governmental approaches for balancing rights and access for their people, institutions and society as a with over a myriad of different kinds of physical spaces and infrastructures. With some notable exceptions, we don’t need to rally to ask which voices are allowed to travel or assemble.
But over the past century, society has developed a brand new type of location: virtual space, the spaces created by artificial information systems. Increasingly, society has relocated its countless activities out of physical spaces into these virtual spaces.
These systems postdate any of our modern theories of government, which barely recognize them, and so by default they are operated as private property. Our primitive theories of “speech” and “press” rights amplify the owners’ rights, leaving the people and society almost no venue to conduct democratic discourse.
What we need to do is establish civilization and democracy, with their balances of rights, privileges and responsibilities, within virtual spaces as we have done so successfully over the millennia in physical spaces. Until we do, our discourse, our culture and our common experience of life remain the private property of lords who own society more completely than any feudal noble ever could.
..in return to such a good one, but if someone would just assassinate Rupert Murdoch, I’d be so happy.
I had a ranting paragraph or two in my diary originally about Murdoch, the ultimate fascist-supporter propogandist, but felt it dragged us off-topic too much,
But he is the quitissential example of how powerful corporations have taken control over vital aspects of national and global civilisation, and sell back access to governments that want to stay in power.
If you’ve watched “Outfoxed”, one bit that really sticks with me is when he was setting up his satellite tv service into Asia, specifically China. The Chinese government said they’d let it go ahead if he removed BBC World from the broadcast list – too much factual information etc. Murdoch had no problem at all with that. People tend to think of him as a neo-conservative – the bottom line is that he, Bush, the Chinese leadership share one thing in common, regardless of what ‘tinge’ their ideological origins give them – they are fascists.
This is a great diary-and I do hope you write further on the detention situation. My closest friend lives in Queensland and while she isn’t a politically minded as I am we do talk about the scary parallels between Australian gov. and American gov.
One case in the child detention report that haunts me and seems to echo your question is this one-
From the HEROC website.
Hey Vida,
thanks for your comment. I don’t have much to add to that one miserable story, as there are so many others, and I could go on forever. I really don’t know how to write a cogent diary about the illegal detention of asylum seekers in Australia – it is a very complex story, not least because the number of changes the Howard government has made to the legislation, the corruption and multiple layers of policy response from the Immigration Dept. – I once tried to do a dot-point list, but it didn’t work because I had to add so much context for a person not familiar with our system to understand their significance.
Imogen, wonderful diary. Please keep them coming. Our press doesn’t cover our own country much less the rest of the world. How can we be aware if we don’t hear from you and others about what is going on. It is important for us to know, “What effects one of us, effects all of us.”
Please write more about your concerns in Australia, or anything else you want to write about.
Let it be soon that we come together with one voice and one heart in peace and love for each other.
I didn’t mean to skip over your kind response. I think my post in response to Limelite (?I think!) at the bottom of the thread is also relevant to your post too.
cheers
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I hardly know what to add that you and the other commenters haven’t touched on.
Your comments on the Smurfs ran through me like an arrow. How sad that we have more sympathy/empathy for blue cartoon figures than other human beings – but yet, not surprising, since those are the “people” that we’ve come to know. Likewise, I know I’ve worried more about Catnip’s health than that of people in my neighborhood, as I “know her better.”
Unfortunately, as long as the communication media are controlled by a small group whose motivating factor is how much stuff they can sell (and will use any kind of hatemonger or contrived silliness as a vehicle to obtain those sales) it’s going to be a hard row to hoe to effect change. Thank God for fora like this or I’d have gone mad by now.
(sidenote – I don’t think we can thank the Belgian Peyo enough for introducing the word ‘smurf’ into our lexicon – such a great word!)
You wrote
“How sad that we have more sympathy/empathy for blue cartoon figures than other human beings – but yet, not surprising, since those are the “people” that we’ve come to know.”
Well, I think it needs a bit more unpacking, and in some ways I felt a bit naughty not doing it in my diary, but I was ruthlessly selecting facts to support my argument. π
First up, I think it’s utterly natural that we have more empathy for those we know, and as weird as it is, we know the Smurfs through watching the cartoons far better than we know most African peoples, etc. I think the thing that the Smurf/Unicef comment highlighted to me was that we feel such a low level of empathy to real (nearly always) brown people being killed etc that showign it is not effective to show it as a way of raising community awareness & action.
Secondly, I think the whole Smurf business has a second layer of analysis that I failed to touch on; but thinking about it, the other reason we respond better to Smurfs is how they are portrayed historically – ie, you’ve never seen a negative article or government press release deeply critcising the Smurfs for being backward, barbaric, corrupt, not helping themselves, right? But I know you and I have seen plenty of media along those lines about African nations. So I think we respond better to Smurfs because they are truly innocent in our eyes, and are not layered with many years’ worth of false or distorting information.
And yes, “the medium is the message” is absolutely fundamental (a word I note I completely overused in my diary, but oh well) to all of this – see my comment on Murdoch to Gooserock above.
I think the Internet, if we can manage to keep hold of it, will be one of the most positive technological developments of our time, because it has such power to let people talk to each other, free of media or government interference, and start to know each other.
Worth repeating, I think.
Since I know some of the Katrina survivors who ended up in my town, I’ve been thinking a lot about this as it pertains to that tragedy.
I’m firmly in the camp of those 25% of white Americans who believe that the response and non-response had everything to do with race. That is, if most of the people who were left on highway overpasses, in the Superdome, at the Convention Center had been white, it all would have happened very differently. Because, as you say, they would have been “innocent” victims. Because of our many years of prejudice against African-Americans in this country, far too many people were willing to believe (even if subconsciously) that the victims somehow deserved their fate.
And it speaks to a very fundamental issue: namely which people are considered to have value and which are not.
Within the context of the global population, the arithmetic makes the current policies non-sustainable.
You have said it all so well, there is not much I can add, thank you for highlighting the Australian concentration camps, may their Bastille Day come soon, and also for the popular Guantanamo pilot project, may Those Who Opposed be spared the bill.
Indeed, thank you Myriad for posting such a wonderful diary. I really appreciate the time and energy that went into providing us with such a clear and cogent analysis.
Thank you, Imogen, for this exceptional, thought-provoking diary. I’m still absorbing. Having said that, there’s one item in which I’d like to comment, to provide a little bit of background.
I found it interesting that you noted the lack of ongoing Recommends for the War Grief Daily diaries, because I noted the same earlier this week. I especially found it interesting that you associated the recent Recommend to the graphics within. For me, it wasn’t the graphics or content that led me to that diary. It was personal shame. Earlier this week, after commenting on a thread, I realized I had been focusing my attention on the sensational (or, in this case, the dust-up) rather than the issues of the day. (Which is not to say that the diaries surrounding the dust-up weren’t of importance, I’m just saying I may have been focused too much on the dust-up itself.) Upon that realization, I sought out RubDMC’s diary, knowing the consistency of that diarist’s passionate work with issues of substance. I just wanted to clarify what led me to that diary – it had nothing to do with the contents on that specific day – it just had to do with timing. (I typically don’t stay here long enough to look past the Recommends, but on that day I made a concerted effort to do so.)
Posters above have likened Australia and the U.S. In line with that, once again I find myself strongly encouraging others to watch the movie “Rabbit Proof Fence”. It would appear that Australia and the U.S. have at least one thing in common – the government’s treatment of native citizens. Very distressing.
Thanks again, Imogen. You’ve provided substantial food for thought. Bless you.
thanks for the compliment.
Actually, when I decided to use RubDMC’s diaries as an example, I myself could think of other reasons, but I felt it still made a good example. Another obvious one was that after the emotional discussions here recently about American soldiers & their actions, the picture of the young man and his children was particularly heart-breaking.
I totally second the recommendation to watch Rabbit Proof Fence; just have hankies ready. Keres and I recently had just under 3 weeks holiday in Western Australia, where it happened, and the film was shot. Her recent dog blog has pictures of lots of the critters we saw. The Rabbit Proof Fence is still there, at least historically. Evidence of the minimally 40,000 year occupation of Australia by Aboriginal people is also liberally littered across the landscape, if you can get to it, or know where to find it. We didn’t have the time or money (you need a 4WD which are very expensive to hire here) to get to most of them, but we saw a couple of wonderful petroglyph & rock art sites (one at least 9,000 years old, the other we don’t know); and stayed in one national park in particular that had excellent interpretation of the first people there, and what happened to them when we got there. As always, it was heart-breaking.
Ironically, it was only us and visible tourists who took the time to read about it – the Australians just headed off into the park, no doubt many choosing to ignore that painful evidence. We have a long, long way to go to reach meaningful reconciliation with the first people of this continent.
Good day myriad,
Oh my, I openly wept when I read that War Grief Daily – as I do each time I read RubDMC’s diaries. Your decision to discuss that series of diaries was a very good one indeed – and your comments certainly got me thinking.
“. . .the Australians just headed off into the park, no doubt many choosing to ignore that painful evidence.” So sad, how easy it is to look away.
Throughout my many years in school, I only recall ONE brief lesson in global diversity (in my 99% white, small town, USA). My third grade teacher asked us what we thought was the most frequently used name in the world. Each of our wise, eight year-old minds safely assumed the name was “John”, or maybe even “Bob”. (Or perhaps it was a trick question, and the teacher was looking for a surname – so some of us jumped in and suggested “Johnson” or “Smith”) Imagine our surprise when we discovered the correct answer was “Mohammad”. Granted, that was 1967. . .but it was the only lesson I remember in which a teacher attempted to open our eyes to the rest of the world. It was a lesson that stuck with me for nearly 40 years.
As someone mentioned above, we need voices like yours to keep us informed of issues taking place throughout the world. We certainly can’t rely on most members of the media. I can’t imagine the amount of time you invested in this diary, but please know that every word was well worth your efforts, greatly appreciated, and will be long remembered.
All my best. . .
What an elegant plea! It’s an issue worth bringing up, though little hope lies in sight. To speak of American policies as neo-imperalisim, to question neo-liberal economic policy is to be marginalized into a “leftist” corner in American political discourse and ignored. Republicans & Democrats differ more on the How, not the What & Why of foreign policy. The majority of the electorate is woefully uneducated & could care less unless American bodies are involved. It feels like there’s a deep disinterest in anyone who would humanize the faces of impoverished, suffering people in other lands. The only answer would seem to be keep writing, continue talking.
The Independent UK yesterday writes that Robert Fisk
Remember the boatloads of Haitian refugees? How little discussion has there been in the press & blogs about the coup, or the oppression there under the watchful eyes of UN troops. The tabula rasa Condi Rice urged on Haitians recently (to the effect of: Vote as if this is the country’s first election)is symptomatic of our approach to the world).
Fisk offers a parable:
This conviction was put to the test in a most personal manner. Fisk was on the Afghanistan border in November 2001 when a crowd of refugees from the American bombing turned on him and began to stone him. His head was split open, blood clouded his vision and for a while it looked as if he might not survive. He fought back and then realised what he was doing. “‘What had I done?’ I kept asking myself. I had been hurting and attacking and punching the very people I had been writing about for so long, the very dispossessed, mutilated people whom my own country – among others – had been killing… The men whose families our bombers were killing were now my enemies too.” He escaped and decided that he would not be able to live with himself unless he stuck to his convictions and explained why the Afghan crowd had attacked him.
So he wrote about the humiliation and misery of the Muslim world, and the determination of the Alliance that “good” must triumph over “evil” even if it meant burning and maiming civilians. He concluded that if he were an Afghan refugee, “I would have done what they did. I would have attacked Robert Fisk. Or any other Westerner I could find.”
How realistic is to hope for governments & institutions to make a similar leap?
A few lines by Nathaniel Mackey have haunted me for twenty-some years now:
much a doomsday prophet gasping voiceless,
asking
When will all the killing
stop?
As though the truth were not so visibly
Never.
Thank you for such a considered comment, and for throwing Robert Fisk into the mix, surely one of the finest journalists alive. I read him consistently, and remember the incident, and his powerful article in response, well.
You wrote –
“To speak of American policies as neo-imperalisim, to question neo-liberal economic policy is to be marginalized into a “leftist” corner in American political discourse and ignored. Republicans & Democrats differ more on the How, not the What & Why of foreign policy.
Yes, I’ve noticed this both pre- and post-9/11, although I think I am more hopeful than you (I must be, otherwise bother writing what I diaried here?). I see a strong, long-running and still unresolved debate amongst the American left around this; it usually manifests itself in terms of arguments over candidates; and the whole ‘reform democrat’ meme at Kos, for eg. Mind you, I think many seriously left Kossacks feel that Kos has appropriated the word reform, because he certainly doesn’t mean to go as far as others want to – ie, he still supports American exceptionalism and a fair degree of social Darwinism.
I don’t think the argument is over, or lost; and perhaps weirdly, think the greatest spur for change might come from the whole stolen election / voter suppression issue. The more Americans realise that theirs is essentially not a healthy democracy (and not really a democracy at all), the more I think the cult of individualism and exceptionalism will be recognised and dismantled. If American liberals have got any sense they will embrace mandatory voting – because to me it’s an issue at the heart of the whole responsibility / individualism /liberal democracy debate.
One of the greatest threats to Australian democracy (what’s left of it) right now is that Howard is using his control of both houses of parliament to try and introduce voluntary voting & electronic voting machines. He has spent 10 years fostering a culture grafted from the USA of individualistic selfishness and abnigation of personal and social responsibility; this would be the coup de grace in many ways.
sorry for the scattered response, but your post made me think of a grab-bag of things. thanks.
You have written a master work and it has set me to thinking. Thank you for it. Naturally, what follows is all your fault!
Regarding challenging the dominant discourse, on first blush, it seems to me that one encounters a paradox.
Power emanates from those whose voices are heard. Those who speak truth to power are the ones whose voices go unheard.
The seeming solution to this paradox leaps immediately to mind: More voices need to speak truth to power. The implication being “turn up the volume.” However, powers that be have decided that these voices’ output is merely noise and have worked hard to filter it out.
But while this is a burgeoning Information Age that implies egality of communication, especially in the virtual cosmos, it is that very nature that may contribute to undermining the solution, preventing its success. Power abhors egalitarianism.
We are actually living in the time of a trasition of eras, in which many are moving from Old Power Plants (newspapers, TV, radio), which are privately held, easily controlled messaging entities. Those who can are moving to New Power Plants (Internet, other — often free to the user — self-selected electronic media sources, self-published media) which are ambiguous or hazy when it comes to private property as BostonJoe (I think) posted earlier, thus messily controlled messaging entities.
The Information Age exists, we recognize it, utilize it, and those who can afford to, live within it. Yet, most of the population extant in this Age has no access to the New Power Plants AND by necessity is forced to cling to the outmoded outlets wielded and controlled by the powerful who tune the message to suit their ilk.
The Information Age still largely remains a phenomenon leaving out the Third World; it belongs, largely, to the powers of the previous Ages, the Industrial and Atomic/Computer.
It’s as if countries and peoples that missed out participating in the historical and lifestyle experience of having an Industrial Age in the 19th C. and an Atomic/Computer Age in the 20th will also miss out on the 21st C. Inforamtion Age, as an entity of lifestyle.
How one brings that Age to the “disenfranchised” is a question I can’t begin to tackle. But it does seem that much of the strife in the world may have its roots in the recognition by the disenfranchised that they have been left behind, shut off, and silenced. The strife is their attempt to demand and take what they naturally believe should also be theirs. A struggle to have a voice that is heard in the Information Age.
Is that a democratizing revolutionary phenomenon with potential benefits to the planet? Another question too big for me to tackle.
Hi there Limelite,
I’ll gladly take the ‘blame’ in return for such a thoughtful response in return. π
This is a somewhat tangential response to yours, so I hope you’ll bear with me. I think it also has relevance to a few comments on this thread, particularly shirlstar’s
I think your post hinges on an assumption that is not in fact, correct. You have assumed, understandably (think the analogy of “if the world was 100 people….1 would have a computer”) that people in the developing world don’t have access to – for the sake of shorthand here- the internet.
As a matter of fact they do, and in growing numbers. And in certain instance of the “second world” – ie countries somewhere the top & the bottom of the developmental heap – there are countries which have far better internet access than many first world places.
A great site to keep track of the growth of all this is http://www.worldchanging.com Just off the top of my head, relevant articles they have had recently are:
You get the picture. There are truly revolutionary changes happening out there. Worldchanging.com documents it principally under a couple of headings – “leapfrog nations” – ie how the developing world is ‘skipping’ over industrialisation to get to the good clean, green stuff we (and they) are coming up with, and another heading something like “participation and the means of expanding it”. Have a look around, it’s absolutely my favourite site on the web.
It’s ironic, and I think a classic example of the dominant discourse colouring our assumptions, that we commonly assume that the developig world is not internet savvy, doesn’t have it’s main newspapers on the web, and so on. Yet I’ve been reading India and other major english dailies online for at least 5 years.
My point? It’s up to us to seek some of this out, not just wait for it to come to us. I particularly worry that say on a site like this, someone from Saudi Arabia turned up. I worry we would bombard them with so many basic questions about their country etc. that they would tire of having to educate us of everything to be able to even attempt to have a forward-thinking discussion with us, or they would feel confined to talking about the USA or the west – because you can bet the average Indian, Korean, SAudi etc. knows far more about us than we do of them.
My point I think here is the one I made in my diary – ..it is critical that [we] actively seek out, give space to and listen to external, marginalised voices.
They are out there; there is heaps of information now out there – and to a large part it’s our responsibility to help those voices reach us, because we have had the privilege of dominating the global knowledge / discussion for so long. So that maybe, if someone from Saudia Arabia or Kenya or Indonesia did turn up, we’d have enough basic knowledge to have an intelligent discussion with them, and not make them feel they have to ‘educate’ us before they can even speak of what’s really on their mind.
I really don’t mean this post to be “aimed” at anyone, so I apologise if it sounds like that. Just something that’s been perculating as I ripped up carpet yesterday, and put in a veggie garden today, thinking over the conversation on this thread.
thanks again for taking the time to reply.
could be a whole diary in itself, maybe several.
For the first time in the history of human beings, it is possible for any person anywhere with an internet connection and a computer to talk, in real time, to anyone else anywhere with an internet connection and a computer. The only other thing they need is a common language π
And internet proliferation in some countries would astound many. Just a few that come to mind, Romania, Pakistan, Morocco, all have internet cafes all over the place, so even people who don’t have computers in their homes, or who can’t afford their own account can access the internet. In some countries the more common is a per minute or hour charge, as opposed to the “all you can eat” style most people in US have, but paradoxically internet cafe fees will be much cheaper than such facilities in the US, and more prevalent.
One thing US shares with the rest of the world, however, as that even with all this internet availability, including free internet access in some public libraries in the US and elsewhere, some of the most voiceless populations remain so.
In the US, for example, while even inner city schools attempt to offer some internet exposure to students, either having a few computers, or taking kids on a field trip to the public library, Americans one chats with on the Internet are still much more likely to be affluent people with their own computers at home than a low income single mom from the “projects” or into her second year on the waiting list for the projects who is taking time off from her two or three minimum wage jobs to take two or three extra buses to get to a public library to use the internet π
And the same is true of people around the world, especially the Majority World. If you go to international chat rooms on IRC or elsewhere, the Ethiopians you will most likely talk with are not going to be members of those cool forest tribes you see on the Discovery Channel, but affluent people, professional nerds, bureaucrats, college students.
Your Pakistani chat friend is probably not going to be someone who lives in an abadi (urban shanty) or a mud-walled compound in remote Pashtunistan, but either an affluent professional, or a student from a family with enough money to send the kids to school.
There are still barriers, of literacy, language, economics, that separate the information haves from the have nots, and as inroads are made into breaking those down, it is inevitable that there will be a counter-effort to keep them up, and increase them.
My speculation is that economics will be the toughest, simply because one of the features of poverty is that one has less time to do anything not directly associated with the quest for the day’s food and shelter, a condition which colors the other barriers, because learning to read and write, and type, and click, requires some discretionary resources in itself.
Even with all that, however, that cool forest tribesman is more likely to know more about the world beyond the forest than his grandfather, because even though he might not have ever seen a computer, someone in his village is increasingly likely to not only have seen one, but used one.
Which brings us to another barrier: internet censorship. Many countries block people using that countries servers from visiting long lists of webpages. Saudi Occupied Arabia, for instance, has one of the most challenging. And US companies like Microsoft, yahoo, etc, are very cooperative with their international clients in the dynamic field of information restriction technology.
LOL you could actually do a series of diaries on this. I will shut up now.
– I knowingly glossed over the major issues you highlighted, because I wanted to point out that the first assumption – that we have really no access to the thoughts and insights of people from other nations – is demonstrably false now, even if there are still major difficulties in turning it into a serious information exchange.
I also think that while the fact that most developing world people you might meet online will indeed be almost certainly from that country’s middle class intelligentsia, they nevertheless open another door, and can start articulating their perspective of their nation, and their global perspective. I cringe rather hard at our tendency to make the first Pakistani, or Korean, or Ugandan that we can speak to, the defacto spokesperson for their country.
I think it’s a good illustration of just how high our level of privilege in terms of voice and communication is. We have a lot that we must try and keep in mind when we talk with those marginalised by the west, even if they are at the top of the tree in their nation, with many millions more marginalised sprawling below them.
Above all, I wanted to smash the perception that there’s no access via the internet at all – it’s out there, it’s a matter of seeking it; much more than expecting it to somehow find us.
That with all that communciation availability that already does exist, the most commonly exchanged thing on the internets is “asl?” π
And another favorite, people who go onto international channels and spend all their time looking for people who live in their same town. “ne1 from Townville?”
And I am not just talking about Americans. People in all countries do it.
So there are the voiceless, and there are the voiced who are taking a somewhat leisurely stroll along the learning curve of just what advantages are offered by their voiced state!
Agreed, agreed. I always think that those examples of people looking in the international ether for people from their own neck of the woods, speaks rather loudly about the level of social isolation and lack of community that most of us feel, within our wonderfully ‘prosperous’ and ‘happy’ western materialist lifestyles. All those consumers, looking just to connect with someone.
What has stuck with me all day was a comment in another thread, a poster expressed concern for a reversion to tribalism.
I am not sure that for some sectors of society, both in the US and outside it, that “reversion” is the most apt term.
What is the notion of “exceptionalism” than tribalism on steroids?
My tribe is best, its people are smarter, the girls are prettier and the mangoes sweeter is tribalism, normal. Even other tribes are just not quite as good as us, annoying, but still tribalism as long as it is confined to the area of belief system and not weaponized.
All your tribes is belong to us and here is the bomb to prove it sorta crosses the line.
I believe the internets do have the potential to dissolve tribalism, and even prevent war.
It is one thing to hate the evil faceless Swede, and cheer one’s country on when the King sends the army out to slay them.
It is quite another thing to understand that your money is being spent to blow up the home of your friend Olaf who spent three hours the other day teaching you how to download, resize, upload and link images to message boards π