After reading Judith Miller’s account of her dealings with “Scooter” Libby, I am left with one question for the people operating the NYTs: Do you really expect me to continue reading your publication and assign any credibility to the stories that you publish?
I almost picked up the phone and canceled the subscription on the spot. But I simmered down. Maybe the NYTs still serves some function in my life, as an inspiration to my fiction writing.
But honestly. How do they employ a liar. Defend a liar as a standard bearer in the fight for freedom of the press and investigative journalism. And allow a liar three-quarters of a page in the Sunday paper to talk about how she lied, and to whom. Did Jayson Blair get this opportunity?
Am I over the top? You be the judge:
Exhibit #1
Mr. Fitzgerald asked about a notation I made on the first page of my notes about this July 8 meeting, “Former Hill staffer.”
My recollection, I told him, was that Mr. Libby wanted to modify our prior understanding that I would attribute information from him to a “senior administration official.” When the subject turned to Mr. Wilson, Mr. Libby requested that he be identified only as a “former Hill staffer.” I agreed to the new ground rules because I knew that Mr. Libby had once worked on Capitol Hill.
Did Mr. Libby explain this request? Mr. Fitzgerald asked. No, I don’t recall, I replied. But I said I assumed Mr. Libby did not want the White House to be seen as attacking Mr. Wilson.
From Ms. Miller’s account of her testimony to the grand jury, published in the NYTs on Sunday, October 16, 2005.
I don’t believe Ms. Miller ever published a story based on Libby’s information. But that is not the point that bothers me. She did agree to attribute the information she was getting from Libby to a “former Hill staffer.” She felt this was okay, because Libby had in fact worked on Capitol Hill. But if this is the standard used by reporters at the NYTs for attribution on stories of national security, what are any of us ever supposed to believe. The fact that he was a former Capitol Hill staffer is not relevant. If she had written a story defending the White House, or attacking Wilson, it would be critical to know that the source of that story was an active employee of one of the principals in the dispute. It would be like using Joe Torre as a source for a story about the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry, and attributing the information to a former “minor league third base coach for the Toledo Mudhens.” It is inherently dishonest. So my respect for any unnamed source in the NYTs just went down to zero. Nice lie Judy. And yes, it is possible to use factually true statements to convey a false impression. And yes, it is lying all the same.
Exhibit #2:
On one page of my interview notes, for example, I wrote the name “Valerie Flame.” Yet, as I told Fitzgerald, I simply could not recall where that came from, when I wrote it or why the name was mis-spelled.
I testified that I did not believe the name came from Mr. Libby, in part because the notation does not appear in the same part of my notebook as the interview notes from him.
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Mr. Fitzgerald asked me about another entry in my notebook, where I had written the words “Valerie Flame,” clearly a reference to Ms. Plame. Mr. Fitzgerald wanted to know whether the entry was based on my conversations with Mr. Libby. I said I didn’t think so. I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall.
Mr. Fitzgerald asked if I could recall discussing the Wilson-Plame connection with other sources. I said I had, though I could not recall any by name or when those conversations occurred.
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I told Mr. Fitzgerald that I was not sure whether Mr. Libby had used this name or whether I just made a mistake writing it on my own. Another possibility, I said, is that I gave Mr. Libby the wrong name on purpose to see whether he would correct me and confirm her identity.
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Mr. Fitzgerald asked whether I ever pursued an article about Mr. Wilson and his wife. I told him I had not, though I considered her connection to the C.I.A. potentially newsworthy. I testified that I recalled recommending to editors that we pursue a story.
From Ms. Miller’s account of her testimony to the grand jury, published in the NYTs on Sunday, October 16, 2005.
I have taken testimony from hundreds of witnesses. And I’ve developed a fairly good bullshit detector. And this testimony has the scent of a barnyard.
An award winning journalist, at the premiere newspaper in the country, is investigating a story about whether the government may have fixed the intelligence around their desire to go to war, and has agreed to quote the Vice President’s chief-of-staff as a “former Hill staffer,” and she has no idea of the names of the other sources she has talked to on the story, and no idea who gave her the name “Valerie Flame?” It is simply incredible on its face, and if a jury were forced to decide if this item of testimony were credible, I would bet dollars to donuts that they would come back and tell you it was a knowing fabrication.
Aside from just being an incredible statement, there are specifics which lead me to believe a jury would just not find her to be a credible witness on this point. The denial that the “Valerie Flame” notation came from Libby, in one breath, coupled with the claim that she lacks knowledge of who gave her that name, in the other, to me, is a hallmark of a lying witness. It shows a witness with an agenda. While I find it extremely unlikely that she has lost her memory about who gave her this name, she either has some memory or she doesn’t. If she has a memory, then it is associated with a time and a person, so she is lying when she says she’s got no clue. And if she has no memory, then she can’t say that Libby didn’t give it to her. And therefore, her statement on this issue is a lie one way or the other.
Also troubling: She doesn’t know if Libby gave her the wrong name, or if she made a mistake writing it, or if she may have used a wrong name as a ploy to test his knowledge. Again, just incredible. Working on a story of this magnitude, with a source who is the right hand man of the Vice President. A reporter is just not allowed to forget these details. Particularly when the story is catapulted into national attention by the scandal that followed. She knows exactly where and how the name was written in that book, and has a reason not to share it.
Last thing from this exhibit: She pitched this story to the editors at the NYTs and they rejected it according to her testimony. And at the same time she cannot recall the names of any other sources, or of how the name of Valerie Plame was confirmed to her. You can’t pitch a story at this level of journalism without the facts. Even if you are Judith Miller. So she either lied about pitching the story (which the NYTs editors apparently say) or she lied about not remembering her other sources. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. After all. She is a liar.
Exhibit #3:
At that breakfast meeting, our conversation also turned to Mr. Wilson’s wife. My notes contain a phrase inside parentheses: “Wife works a Winpac.” Mr. Fitzgerald asked what that meant. Winpac stood for Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control, the name of a unit within the C.I.A. that, among other things, analyzes the spread of unconventional weapons.
I said I couldn’t be certain whether I had known Ms. Plame’s identity before this meeting, and I had no clear memory of the context of our conversation that resulted in this notation. But I told the grand jury that I believed that this was the first time I had heard that Mr. Wilson’s wife worked for Winpac. In fact, I told the grand jury that when Mr. Libby indicated that Ms. Plame worked for Winpac, I assumed that she worked as an analyst, not as an undercover operative.
From Ms. Miller’s account of her testimony to the grand jury, published in the NYTs on Sunday, October 16, 2005.
Ms. Miller has been taking notes for stories for over twenty-seven years. As jurors, you can use your reasonable understanding of the world to evaluate testimony. And for her to say that in this interview with a source of the highest level, she thought it important to write down Wilson’s wife’s job in her notes, and then for her to testify that she could not remember the context of that note is simply incredible. As a professional at this elite level, she wouldn’t have taken that note had it not been important to the story she was developing. And the story was far too big almost immediately for her to have forgotten why the note was important in the first place.
Exhibit #4:
Mr. Fitzgerald also focused on the letter’s closing lines. “Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning,” Mr. Libby wrote. “They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them.”
How did I interpret that? Mr. Fitzgerald asked.
In answer, I told the grand jury about my last encounter with Mr. Libby. It came in August 2003, shortly after I attended a conference on national security issues held in Aspen, Colo. After the conference, I traveled to Jackson, Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.
“Judy,” he said. “It’s Scooter Libby.”
From Ms. Miller’s account of her testimony to the grand jury, published in the NYTs on Sunday, October 16, 2005.
I’d conclude that Judy is either lying to us, the reader, in this explanation of her testimony, or she was misleading the grand jury. If she gave that answer to the grand jury, I can’t imagine a prosecutor wouldn’t follow up with a barrage of questions. Because her answer is simply non-responsive. How does this charming tale about her meeting with Libby explain her interpretation. Other than identifying the Aspen portion of the letter, it says nothing. So, my suspicion is that Judy just gave us a partial account of her actual testimony in this regard. But if this was her actual testimony to try and explain away Libby’s bizarre statement in the letter, it is woefully inadequate.
All in all, looking at Miller’s testimony it leaves me wishing for two things. First, I am saddened that Fitzgerald has given any indication he would not charge her. Because she is not being forthright. Second, I am hoping Fitzgerald has a ton of other evidence, because I don’t think a jury would be buying a whole lot of what Judy is selling without a lot of corroboration.
The crazy consipiracy part of me tells me that Miller is a CIA or DIA plant, cultivated or placed at the Times forever, for just such things as selling an illegal war. But, I’ve got no evidence for that. But she is lying. At least that is my opinion.
And yeah. That lie was the worst of it for me. I can no longer trust anything not sourced to a name. That is the problem with credibility. Once you blow it. It is over.
Don’t discount the very real possibility that Jude is a Likud Party/Israeli Agent.
Dear Judy has had it in for Saddam for a very long time. Two of the most prolific spinmeisters pushing neoconservative/zionist ideology for the last 20 years have been Sweet Judy and the incredibly dishonest Laurie Mylroie of the vile neoconservative thinktank “American Enterprise Institute.”
HERE is a joint effort by these notorious Israel-firsters from 1990.
For those of you that aren’t as deep in the weeds as those of us that recognize the neoconservative lunacy that pervades this White House, here is a primer on Mylroie:
So…Who are Judy and Laurie’s friends???
Armchair Provocateur Laurie Mylroie: The Neocons’ favorite conspiracy theorist.
Did One Woman’s Obsession Take America to War?
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However excellent the history, the political analysis leaves something to be desired. Miller flatly asserts in her conclusion that “Americans went to the Gulf for oil,” a curious statement which entirely ignores the many other issues at stake in this conflict-including the buildup of an Iraqi nuclear arsenal and the wrong precedent for a new world order.
Must find out what persuaded George Herbert Bush in Colorado after meeting with Margaret Thatcher, to throw Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. Initially the U.S. policy makers thought their stake in Mideast oil was best protected with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. The Lamb sacrifice was the sovereignty of Kuwait.
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I knew very little about Masonry, Skull & Bones, etc at the time – learned a lot more in past few months.
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My comment above was in response to something else that was posted. I’ve got no evidence to suggest these things about her. Just looks to me like she’s a team player. I’m not sure whose team.
She works for free, for the sexual excitement she recieves from a plant, not in the CIA but in the OSP. Chenyes’s office.
It’s all about sex for her. Her own perverted form.
Of course she is lying. That’s not an opinoin. It’s BOLD.
And why isn’t Fitzgerald doing something about it? Maybe he is, but I don’t know. Haven’t heard that he is.
Now the GJ has some say. What power does Fitzgerald have to influence the observable discrpancies on the testimony….in either direnction. If THEY vote to indict or not indict, can he intervene. Can he stop an indictment.
It is very important to understand the procedural rules and the prejudices of Patrick Fitzgerald (and the GJ if possible) to predict an outcome.
The old saying is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich if that is what the prosecutor wants. A good advocate (a description that seems to fit Fitzgerals well) has great leeway in leading a grand jury, in absence of any side of oppose him. So conventional wisdom is that a grand jury will do exactly what he tells them to do. But, the grand jury is an independent body. They are able to ask questions and demand evidence. Not being familiar with federal grand jury law, I am unsure if they are able to bring an indictment against the prosecutor’s wishes. In my state court system, where grand juries are rare, charges are brought by a complaint issued by a prosecutor. The steps are two fold 1) probable cause that to charge the crime alleged, and 2) prosecutorial discretion that the conduct warrants prosecution. If a grand jury found evidence and wanted to go forward, I am just unsure what effect there would be should Fitzgerald want to exercise his prosecutorial discretion not to charge. Practically, it wouldn’t seem to matter a great deal, because even if the system allowed a grand jury indictment contrary to the prosecution’s position, the prosecutor would then take command to prosecute the case, and would have any number of means at his disposal to get rid of the matter short of a conviction. (Though in this case, politics might limit the reluctanct prosecutor’s hand).
If he were to decide not to go forward…even though the GJ wishes to…would this have to be reported?
I am not suggesting this is the outcome….I am just wondering…if it is a possibility.
Thanks
I honestly don’t know Stu. Are you going to make me go back to the law library?
Let’s wait until it happens before I have to go.
Don’t go to the library. You don’t have to be honest. Any response will do.
But seriously….I have read (which doesn’t mean anything but…) that Fitzgerald has to approve of the true biils of the GJ. for the indictments to be made.
Oh welll….
I would believe that. Okay. I am adopting your opinion, and confirming it as true fact, in all dishonesty. 🙂 Take it easy. Keep up the good writing.
Finally someone I can trust!
You may want to look at this. It is a link to an article at “citizenspook” blog. I have no idea what it really means, or if the source is reliable, but it has an interesting take on the concept of a ‘runaway’ grand jury, with cites.
Great piece, BJ!
“former Hill staffer.” She felt this was okay, because Libby had in fact worked on Capitol Hill. But if this is the standard used by reporters at the NYTs for attribution on stories of national security, what are any of us ever supposed to believe.
Isn’t that just awful?! It’s a lie. The least we readers should have to put up with, when these reporters use these unnamed sources, is that whatever description is used is an honest one. Libby had nothing to do with the matters in the story when he was a Hill staffer … well, you know the rest .. it’s just cra
Yesssssssssssssssss–go Boston Joe-nice work!!!
I had realized that Judy was lying as soon as I read it.
But your first bit of info there is a killer bit.
I didn’t even think twice about that “former Hill staffer.” bit… And I am betting that that is exactly what she had hoped for in saying it. There is just so much BS in her article, and so much hackery in the NYT’s other account of the Judy story that you have to wonder if they would have been better off not publishing either article?
One article espouses pure BS, and the other exposes sheer ignorance.
Thanks for the link CT Man. Good comment. I didn’t read everything on this that I missed. (I guess that last sentence is kind of a Berra-ism).
My God! You mean you don’t read every diary and every comment on this and every site? I am shocked!
If we all read everything everywhere we would all be well researched on a lot of topics for a bit… But then we would eventually run out of things to read because no one would have time to write.
It does kindof read as a berra-ism after re-reading it? lol
With all of the little points being picked out everywhere on the net I am looking forward to seeing a “master list” of all of the inconsistancies in these two articles.
It should be a very long list.
Yes indeed. Nice summary!
Great report and analysis BJoe! I think you’ve made accurate conclusions.
Good to know we’ve got our very own bullshit detector here at BT. Something tells me we’re going to need your services again soon…
“But I said I assumed Mr. Libby did not want the White House to be seen as attacking Mr. Wilson.”
And I’m OK with that. –Judy
Liar.
Woodward sometimes attributed information from Felt to the White House. That was a lie.
If Libby wants to be quoted, it is newsworthy. If the price of getting the info is to attribute it to the hill, or to a former hill staffer, it may be worth it in some circumstances.
It will often be the case that a WH source needs extra cover to divert suspicion.
In this case, however, the WH source is not whistle-blowing but spinning. That makes Judy’s agreement to misattribute suspect.
But in fairness, she didn’t actually write the article and she didn’t know how significant the issue would become.
I’m done playing devil’s advocate now.
Whaatt?? A source, that could be planting false information sets the ground rules of how they want to be credited in a story in the NYT so as to appear misleading, and the reporter agrees.
I find that offensive. That is different than the journalist and her editors trying to protect the anonymity of a whistleblower because there might be retribution.
NYT, Keller and Sulzburger all look really, really negligent.
..And what’s up with that security clearance
If you step back and look at it from the point of view of, “the role of the press in a free society is to inform the citizens of what is really going on so that they can make rational decisions” then there is a big difference here.
The actual story that the citizens needed to know was that the White House was attempting to discredit a former ambassador who had sought information about one of the fundamental rationales for going to war and who had, in fact, ascertained that the rationale was false.
What we needed to know was that the White House was attempting to discredit him. (Truth.)
Judy showed her willingness (even if she never wrote the article) to misinform us – to not say that this attack on Wilson was coming from the White House. To imply that it was coming from Congressperson (through his/her staffer) or perhaps just from a staffer.
The essential question was, why is the White House (WHIG? and what is WHIG?) attacking someone who tried to get the truth out?
This is very different in my mind from publishing something we need to know, which is true, but having to obscure the source to protect him/her. The actual source of the attack was the most important thing to know about Libby seeking her out to try to disseminate the discrediting of Wilson. That was the story. And that was what she showed she had no problem falsifying.
It would be a different matter if, for example, we the people had no way of knowing that Wilson had gone to Niger and found a primary rationale for the war to be false, that Wilson had sought out a reporter and asked not to be identified as a “former ambassador” (perhaps to protect his wife’s covert status.) Looks like he did try something like this, of course, for whatever reason. Then the story would have been, Saddam is not seeking uranium from Africa – Bush lied in his SOTU.
The reporter could have published the “essential truth” – what Wilson found out, while protecting Wilson’s identity. But in her self-justifying article, she indicates that she would have been willing to falsify the main thing that we needed to know – who is attacking Wilson.
why I expect Fitz to declare her a hostile witness at Libby’s trial. She is not being forthcoming.
Her notes are the best evidence of Libby’s perjury, so Fitz will call Miller and have her explain her notes. But he will be forced to consider her testimony hostile to his case, and then will be allowed to ask her leading questions.
At that point, his case for a cover-up will be bolstered. Fitz will destroy his own witness on the stand and it will work.
with that possibility. I saw/read your story as I was writing this. I definitely got the sense from reading her account of her testimony that she is being a less than cooperative witness. It is hard to say, reading someone’s written account of it later. I imagine the tenor of the examination was pleasant enough, but she has to be in a battle of deuling words trying to sell this crap. And I get no sense from anything I’ve read to believe that this would sit well with a prosecutor like Fitzgerald. I mean, honestly, I cannot think of many prosecutors who enjoy taking testimony that is blatantly disingenuous. Other than for the opportunity to have a fun cross-examination. It is quite fun to rip on witnesses if you have the ammunition.
I imagine Fitz can do a lot to reduce her hostility. Like the threat of a perjury charge. My guess is that she will cooperate — not willingly, but certainly knowingly. She’s got too much to lose not to.
I just keep reminding myself that these NYT accounts of Judy’s activities are only what SHE wants us to know about. Her detail of questioning by Fitz and what she said only capture what she wants us to know. I take them with a grain of salt. As BJ and others have pointed out – she’s very capable of spinning and lying. Fitz may have gotten something totally different from her testimony.
Great piece BJ!
I have no clue where to put this factoid on the case, so I figured here was as good a place as any… not sure what this means, but the date June 23rd was bugging me since I knew something else happened (minor) on that date that played into the case…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/5/212837/3714
June 23rd is the date that Jeff Gannon registered at FreeRepublic which then played a roll in disseminating the talking points from Novak/ WH later on in the case…
probably nothing, but it seems like a nice coincidence that that was the date things started rolling on Wilson & our pal Jeff decides he (supposedly an actual journalist) needs to post on FR.
Thanks for this link to your story. I always suspected the journalist/call boy was a plant, too. The timing is very interesting.
I feel so propagandized. I need a shower.
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Thanks especially to BooMan and neoconnedagain, and many other BooTribers who have published excellent and informative diaries this past week.
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when Alzheimer’s strikes someone so young. At least Reagan was an old man befor ehe had his bout of “I don’t recall”-itis.
I was trying really hard to find a place for that Reagan reference. I’m glad you were able to assist me there Steven D. Thanks.
Miller’s NYT piece reads to me like a carefully parsed, lawyer-limited obfuscation. Despite how outlandish some of the assertions in it sound, there are, I would suspect (Boston Joe, correct me if I’m wrong), some sound CYA legal reasons for the constructs used.
Miller is covering her ass, and to the extent she can, covering the ass of Libby (and, perhaps, et al).
Unfortunately, Fitz is going to let this sad sack of lying donkey manure walk. As noted in other posts around the web today, she is responsible, as much as anyone, for the deaths of countless thousands of people in this war. She is not just a bad journalist; she is a war criminal.
I don’t know. I am not privy to any of the inside baseball on this case. And there may be legal reasons to get Miller’s story out as it appeared, but if it was simply a matter of trying to protect my clients interests with no outside considerations, then allowing her to write any piece in the paper, that might have any tendency to contradict her actual grand jury tendency would be a huge no-no. My advice would be simple and blunt: Shut the fuck up. You are playing with fire, and the best thing you can do if you don’t want a repeat trip to the can is to cooperate with the prosecutor to the extent it is not directly incriminating, and then shut the fuck up. Take a vacation. Just turn off your lap top and close your fucking mouth.
But who knows. I know nothing about what is really going on in this case. And I’m about to explode waiting for the truth to get revealed.
So good to see you back with us here.
I sure hope he does not let her walk. Like you said…..look at the blood on her hands!
Judith Miller: Obstruction of Justice
Scooter Libby: Conspiracy to Reveal the Name of Undercover CIA Operative (or whatever the charge is called…treason?)
Karl Rove: Revealing the Name of Undercover CIA Operative (or whatever charge is called), Conspiracy to …..
I wouldn’t bet against these possibilities.
Here’s what occured to me this morning, while walking the dog and watching him poop. (And, yes, there is a connection.)
Lots of discussion over the weekend that Miller had to play Let’s Make a Deal with Mrs. F’s little boy, but she also had to write something to satisfy the people who pay for her lawyers, manicures, and salary.
So, what if:
She flipped for the special prosecutor and gave up her sources, info, whatever in order to keep her pampered behind from going back to those thin mattress-pad beds in jail? Then, supposing she told all to the Grand Jury.
However, she has to cover herself in public, because of the Times, as well as for her purported book deal and potentially against retaliation from the thugs running the government. So, she writes that indescribably misleading, stupid, inaccurate, bland, you name it thing that ran in the Times.
Meanwhile, Mr. Fitz has the real info.
You, Boston Joe, are not the only BooTribber writing fiction. And some of mine is based on experiences in journalism. Here’s hopin’.
I could by that as a plausible theory I guess. Anything is possible. I would have had a hard time making this story up, and expecting people to suspend disbelief if this were fiction.
Cool that you are writing about journalism. Some journalist-type characters slipped into both my first and second novels. (Those damn characters are sneaky bastards, I have to tell you, running off and changing your story in the most unbelievable ways). You’ll have to let me know my subject matter shortcomings, should you ever get a chance to read the first (or second) book.
Heh.
I was busily writing away at something one day a couple of years ago, and the character got up from a desk to walk into the boss’s office. When she got there, the door opened from the inside and a man I had no idea existed in the story was there to take over the scene.
Isn’t it the greatest process. I can’t believe I wasted years of my life on something else. Oh well. Good luck. I’ll be interested to read your journalist-authentic work someday.
Good. Wish I’d read your post before I did mine. It’s the same take. Could have saved band-width.
Here’s what I wrote on my Blog about Miller way back in July. It seems accurate given the events of today
http://bushplanet.blogspot.com/2005/07/judith-miller-government-operative.html
You have to understand that cheney does not like the CIA, that’s why the Office of Special Plans was set up. Miller works pro-bono for them. She’s in it for the excitement. She is a nut job.
Alright. I stand corrected. OSP not CIA or DIA. I think you make a good point about her possible affiliation (not that I have any evidence of any affiliation, other than her rather odd testimony).
hey Joe, you sure do have it on the ball here. Thanks for another excellent diary. I have become to expect nothing less of you.
Can you imagine what kind of shape we all would be in if we did not have the internet to talk like this on, and to do our research with!?
I am forever thankful for this!
That Saint Judith is a liar is now well established. The question is why and to whom? Here’s my take. She spilled the beans to Fitzgerald, who had her by the short and curlies for lying to a GJ. But she can’t tell the ones she fingered that she did it, so she makes up this song and dance for the NYT to protect her from God knows what reprisal. Let’s not forget what happen to David Kelly. Now the fall guy in all this is the NYT. In my book, they got what they paid for. She’s a hooker and she’s got the morals of one. You get what you pay for with a hooker. Trust is not one of those things.