Speculation on the “Orange” end of that link… But a seriously disturbing diary nonetheless.
From wikipedia:
A possibility has been raised by several sources that a death may have occurred as a result of this leak. Under the Espionage Act, this could lead to a death penalty case. The CIA Wall of Honor has stars representing agents killed on duty. Named stars are used where information is not classified, and anonymous stars are used when the agent’s name cannot be released. Below the stars is a chronological Book of Honor. An anonymous star was added to the wall between named stars that can be dated to deaths on February 5, 2003 and October 25, 2003. The anonymous star thus fits the timing of the Plame leak. Wayne Madsen, a reporter and former NSA employee, has claimed, “CIA sources report that at least one anonymous star placed on the CIA’s Wall of Honor at its Langley, Virginia headquarters is a clandestine agent who was executed in a hostile foreign nation as a direct result of the White House leak.”
If an undercover CIA operative was definitely killed as a result of the Plame/Brewster Jennings outing, nobody can explain away treason. Noone can support treason.
What are they thinking? Nearly 2000 US soldiers and countless Iraqis have died as a result of the lies that the CIA leak was supposed to protect. Many more have been seriously wounded and disabled, and the US is bankrupting itself to continue. And yet, people are still explaining it away. Why would a single CIA agent be any different?
Not that I don’t want it to be different, mind you, but if it’s true, I think many people will think, “well, it was only one agent that got killed, that’s not so bad.”
still more questions for us to look into. I was wondering when this would hit the conversation. We all know that Val’s contacts must have been in danger when she was ID’ed. It is a given in that kind of work!
Huffington Post July7, 2005 — In February, Circuit Judge David Tatel joined his colleagues’ order to Cooper and Miller despite his own, very lonely finding that indeed there is a federal privilege for reporters that can shield them from being compelled to testify to grand juries and give up sources. He based his finding on Rule 501 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which authorizes federal courts to develop new privileges “in the light of reason and experience.” Tatel actually found that reason and experience “support recognition of a privilege for reporters’ confidential sources.” But Tatel still ordered Cooper and Miller to testify because he found that the privilege had to give way to “the gravity of the suspected crime.”
Judge Tatel’s opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. The gravity of the suspected crime is presumably very well developed in those redacted pages. Later, Tatel refers to “having carefully scrutinized [the prosecutor’s] voluminous classified filings.”
Tavis: Nice to see you again. I’ve been dying to ask you this for a few days since I knew that you were connected to this. What did Lawrence O’Donnell know and when did he know it?
O’Donnell: Well, he knew what was in the “Time” magazine emails that were under subpoena by the special prosecutor. That subpoena was being defied for a year and a half, as was, as we all know, the two reporters were defying their subpoenas and appealing all the way up to the United States Supreme Court to try to be excused from answering—
Tavis: The two reporters: Judith Miller of the “New York Times–”
O’Donnell: Judith Miller and Matt Cooper of “Time” magazine. The press took their eye off the ball of the most important subpoena, which was the documents subpoena. It was my feeling for a very long time that “Time” magazine, once they exhausted their appeals and if the case went against them, would turn over those documents. And what I knew for months was in those documents, it will be revealed to the prosecutor that Karl Rove was indeed the source that Matt Cooper had been protecting for two years and willing to go to jail for two years.
And so that’s what I revealed on July 1 on “The McLaughlin Group” that kind of got this end of the controversy started again. It had been a quiet controversy for almost a year at that point.
I didn’t take the time to load all 300+ comments in that diary but I can predict what at least some people said: 1) you can’t trust Wayne Madsen 2)the fact that an undercover agent died during that time doesn’t mean the death was tied to the leak 3) the blank pages in the judge’s opinion don’t necessarily back up such claims 4) there was a war going on – the CIA agent could have been caught up in that for all we know.
But the thing that shocked me is the fact that it is a huge “Conspiracy Theory” diary that made it near the top of the recommended lists.
Like I said: There is a lot of speculation on the orange end of that link. You know that the comments will reflect a war on thought, as opposed to a real debate of the subject matter.
I was seriously thinking of signing up there with the screen name “Ding Dong the Neocon” and aligning myself up (for humours sake) with all of the “posse come’n rate-us” that feeds on troll rating simple free speech.
The Boeing 737 left Murtala Muhammed airport at 7 p.m. (2 p.m. ET) Saturday and was en route to Nigeria’s capital, Abuja — a trip that should have taken about 50 minutes.
But the control tower lost sight of the plane about three minutes after takeoff, authorities said.
Some high-level Nigerian officials were believed to be on board the Belleview Airlines jet, the office of President Olusegun Obasanjo told CNN. They were headed to Abuja for a meeting.
The Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) said two helicopters had been scrambled to search for it.
The twin-engine plane had a capacity of 120 people.
A storm was passing through Lagos about the time the flight left, according to CNN’s Jeff Koinange.
Flights leaving Lagos fly out over the Gulf of Guinea in the Atlantic, before turning back to reach Abuja, according to Koinange.
Sun News Sept. 16, 2005 — A major air disaster involving a Nigerian airline, Bellview Airlines, was averted in Banjul, The Gambian capital Wednesday, when the engine of the airline’s plane exploded at the point of take off.
Daily Sun gathered that Bellview Airline’s plane (flight B3 251) from Banjul to Freetown and Lagos was about to take off at the Banjul International Airport when a heavy explosion was heard from one of the engines, which shook the entire airport.
It was gathered that the explosion in the engine caused the aircraft’s tyres to burst. According to one of the passengers, they were lucky that the incident took place just on take-off as it would have resulted in a major air disaster.
How Bellview got its wings ◊ by Uche Usim
SunNewsOnline Oct. 10, 2005 — The success Bellview Airlines has achieved today confirms the biblical saying that one should not despise the days of little beginning.
LAGOS, Nigeria Oct 23, 2005 — Twisted chunks of metal, ripped luggage and mangled bodies turned a swath of woods into a grisly scene after a Nigerian passenger plane carrying 117 people crashed shortly after takeoff and officials said Sunday that all aboard were feared dead.
Red Cross and government officials said search teams found no sign that anyone on the Boeing 737 survived when it plunged to earth Saturday night after leaving Lagos, the biggest city in Nigeria.
“It was a very pitiable sight. The aircraft was partly submerged (in the ground) and broken into several pieces,” said Fidelis Onyenyiri, chief of the National Civil Aviation Authority. “There were similarly no survivors from what we saw.”
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
I don’t know exactly where to put this comment, so I’ll add it here.
I really like the Patrick Lang and Larry Johnson posts. However, they render horribly in Firefox. It’s because of the big biography box. If the post isn’t really long, the box extends down (and sometimes over) previous posts, making the front page really hard to read. If there are two of their posts in a row, the text gets really, really messed up.
Is there any way to have a static link to their info, or only put it in in the Extended entry?
Do you have time for an “OH SHIT!” moment?
Speculation on the “Orange” end of that link… But a seriously disturbing diary nonetheless.
Are they all crackpot conspiracy nuts over there?
I think they may have been sniffing to much orange.
(Had to say it… lol 😉
From that diary:
What are they thinking? Nearly 2000 US soldiers and countless Iraqis have died as a result of the lies that the CIA leak was supposed to protect. Many more have been seriously wounded and disabled, and the US is bankrupting itself to continue. And yet, people are still explaining it away. Why would a single CIA agent be any different?
Not that I don’t want it to be different, mind you, but if it’s true, I think many people will think, “well, it was only one agent that got killed, that’s not so bad.”
still more questions for us to look into. I was wondering when this would hit the conversation. We all know that Val’s contacts must have been in danger when she was ID’ed. It is a given in that kind of work!
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By Lawrence O’Donnell | Bio
Huffington Post July7, 2005 — In February, Circuit Judge David Tatel joined his colleagues’ order to Cooper and Miller despite his own, very lonely finding that indeed there is a federal privilege for reporters that can shield them from being compelled to testify to grand juries and give up sources. He based his finding on Rule 501 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which authorizes federal courts to develop new privileges “in the light of reason and experience.” Tatel actually found that reason and experience “support recognition of a privilege for reporters’ confidential sources.” But Tatel still ordered Cooper and Miller to testify because he found that the privilege had to give way to “the gravity of the suspected crime.”
Judge Tatel’s opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. The gravity of the suspected crime is presumably very well developed in those redacted pages. Later, Tatel refers to “having carefully scrutinized [the prosecutor’s] voluminous classified filings.”
It’s Rove… ◊ by Lawrence O’Donnell – July 2, 2005
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“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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Tavis: Nice to see you again. I’ve been dying to ask you this for a few days since I knew that you were connected to this. What did Lawrence O’Donnell know and when did he know it?
O’Donnell: Well, he knew what was in the “Time” magazine emails that were under subpoena by the special prosecutor. That subpoena was being defied for a year and a half, as was, as we all know, the two reporters were defying their subpoenas and appealing all the way up to the United States Supreme Court to try to be excused from answering—
Tavis: The two reporters: Judith Miller of the “New York Times–”
O’Donnell: Judith Miller and Matt Cooper of “Time” magazine. The press took their eye off the ball of the most important subpoena, which was the documents subpoena. It was my feeling for a very long time that “Time” magazine, once they exhausted their appeals and if the case went against them, would turn over those documents. And what I knew for months was in those documents, it will be revealed to the prosecutor that Karl Rove was indeed the source that Matt Cooper had been protecting for two years and willing to go to jail for two years.
And so that’s what I revealed on July 1 on “The McLaughlin Group” that kind of got this end of the controversy started again. It had been a quiet controversy for almost a year at that point.
Read full comment »»
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
I didn’t take the time to load all 300+ comments in that diary but I can predict what at least some people said: 1) you can’t trust Wayne Madsen 2)the fact that an undercover agent died during that time doesn’t mean the death was tied to the leak 3) the blank pages in the judge’s opinion don’t necessarily back up such claims 4) there was a war going on – the CIA agent could have been caught up in that for all we know.
Don’t I know it…
But the thing that shocked me is the fact that it is a huge “Conspiracy Theory” diary that made it near the top of the recommended lists.
Like I said: There is a lot of speculation on the orange end of that link. You know that the comments will reflect a war on thought, as opposed to a real debate of the subject matter.
I was seriously thinking of signing up there with the screen name “Ding Dong the Neocon” and aligning myself up (for humours sake) with all of the “posse come’n rate-us” that feeds on troll rating simple free speech.
Ya know what I mean? lol
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Just minutes after take off, plane crashed with 114 people on board, including Nigerian dignitaries.
Boeing 737 Air Crashes
The Boeing 737 left Murtala Muhammed airport at 7 p.m. (2 p.m. ET) Saturday and was en route to Nigeria’s capital, Abuja — a trip that should have taken about 50 minutes.
But the control tower lost sight of the plane about three minutes after takeoff, authorities said.
Some high-level Nigerian officials were believed to be on board the Belleview Airlines jet, the office of President Olusegun Obasanjo told CNN. They were headed to Abuja for a meeting.
The Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) said two helicopters had been scrambled to search for it.
The twin-engine plane had a capacity of 120 people.
A storm was passing through Lagos about the time the flight left, according to CNN’s Jeff Koinange.
Flights leaving Lagos fly out over the Gulf of Guinea in the Atlantic, before turning back to reach Abuja, according to Koinange.
Sun News Sept. 16, 2005 — A major air disaster involving a Nigerian airline, Bellview Airlines, was averted in Banjul, The Gambian capital Wednesday, when the engine of the airline’s plane exploded at the point of take off.
Daily Sun gathered that Bellview Airline’s plane (flight B3 251) from Banjul to Freetown and Lagos was about to take off at the Banjul International Airport when a heavy explosion was heard from one of the engines, which shook the entire airport.
It was gathered that the explosion in the engine caused the aircraft’s tyres to burst. According to one of the passengers, they were lucky that the incident took place just on take-off as it would have resulted in a major air disaster.
How Bellview got its wings ◊ by Uche Usim
SunNewsOnline Oct. 10, 2005 — The success Bellview Airlines has achieved today confirms the biblical saying that one should not despise the days of little beginning.
AllAfrica.com – the African Continent
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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Fifty persons survived …
Wreckage of Missing Nigerian Plane Found
Plane with 116 onboard crashedin a rural area near Oyo state
in Nigeria. ABC TV
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
.
Hopes were dashed as the official communique was read out to family members, waiting to hear news about their loved ones on Bellevue flight.
After Jet Crashes Shortly After Takeoff From Lagos
LAGOS, Nigeria Oct 23, 2005 — Twisted chunks of metal, ripped luggage and mangled bodies turned a swath of woods into a grisly scene after a Nigerian passenger plane carrying 117 people crashed shortly after takeoff and officials said Sunday that all aboard were feared dead.
Red Cross and government officials said search teams found no sign that anyone on the Boeing 737 survived when it plunged to earth Saturday night after leaving Lagos, the biggest city in Nigeria.
“It was a very pitiable sight. The aircraft was partly submerged (in the ground) and broken into several pieces,” said Fidelis Onyenyiri, chief of the National Civil Aviation Authority. “There were similarly no survivors from what we saw.”
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY
I don’t know exactly where to put this comment, so I’ll add it here.
I really like the Patrick Lang and Larry Johnson posts. However, they render horribly in Firefox. It’s because of the big biography box. If the post isn’t really long, the box extends down (and sometimes over) previous posts, making the front page really hard to read. If there are two of their posts in a row, the text gets really, really messed up.
Is there any way to have a static link to their info, or only put it in in the Extended entry?
I’ve passed that on to the powers that be.
Try this now and tell me if it looks okay to you now.
I changed the tagging method from TABLE tags to DIV tags. I’m guessing that that may have been the problem for Firefox users.
AND (!) I’m very grateful for this feedback. How do we know if you don’t tell us. Thanks.
That looks good. Hope it works on the front page too!
Thanks so much!