[Promoted by susanhu. Too funny. ‘cept it’s sad.] Condi Rice was in Ottawa for a couple of days on a state visit, but she had to rush off this morning back to Washington, abruptly cancelling some interviews and raising speculation what exactly was going on.
Before doing this, the aforementioned Ms. Rice got very peeved at some pesky Canadian media questioning her about the US’s committment to treaties and signed agreements. I guess she isnt used to such media scrutiny from the Beltway Press Club back in D.C.
You see, Ms Rice feels the softwood lumber dispute is a rather trivial trade dispute compared to other great issues, and when the media took her to task over it, she didnt like it…
As background for those unfamiliar, Canada has won a series of NAFTA trade panel rulings that have ruled that Canada is not illegally dumping softwood lumber on the US market, and that 5 billion $ of duties the Americans have collected in tariffs should be repaid to Canada (I’ll also mention these rulings were done with a majority of US judges on the panel listening to this case – the verdicts have been a unanimous 5-0 in Canada’s favour).
The US in effect then told Canada it was ignoring the rulings and insisted on continued negotiations to break the impasse. Canada’s government has withdrawn from talks and said there’s nothing to negotiate over – we’ve won a ruling fair and square, and the ruling is part of a panel to a treaty that the US’s signature is attached to. This led to the following testy exchange…
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This led to the following testy exchange between the Canadian media and Rice at an interview:
…she dismissed the contentious softwood lumber issue as “a trade dispute,” insisting that it should be settled through further negotiations.
Rice bristled when asked how the U.S. could be trusted when it doesn’t live up to its international agreements.
“Well, I think the word of the United States has been as good as gold in its international dealings and its agreements,” she snapped.
Rather touchy, Ms Rice.. and a lot of gall to saying you respect international agreements when you have several examples from your own press this morning which state otherwise.
Maybe its better that the US currently isnt a signatory to the International Criminal Court or Kyoto, or the effort to reduce landmines…. there sure isnt any indication they’d be able to stick to the treaties if they were signed on, when they cant even do it over a “petty trade dispute”.
Reaction in Canada to Ms Rice’s comments was rather swift, by the way. The centrist Globe and Mail paper – one usually read by a lot of those in the business community = immediately put up an online poll asking its readers whether they agreed with the Secretary’s assertion that the “word of the US is as good as gold”.
As of this morning, 12460 people have voted, and a resounding 91% of respondents have said that Condi and the Bush Admin is full of it
Okay, so its ‘unscientific’, but the readership of the G&M arent exactly known to be wild-eyed radicals.. nor do the G&M’s polls get freeped.
Heck, even Cabinet Ministers, normally very diplomatic when guests are here, couldnt resist scoffing at this:
International Trade Minister Jim Peterson responded with sarcasm to Rice’s “good as gold” pledge on respecting international agreements.
“We’ve been off the gold standard for an awfully long time in this country,” he said
Editorials in Canadas major dailes also agree that Rice is up the creek on this “good as gold” assertion.. from the Toronto Star this morning:
Ah, if only it were so. The sad truth is, U.S. President George Bush’s credibility is in tatters. And not just on softwood. Washington’s charming chief diplomat surely knows it. Americans are coming to believe Bush led them down the garden path into a war in Iraq that has taken 2,000 U.S. lives, cost $200 billion and fanned 9/11 fanaticism. And Canadians, most of whom never considered Bush credible on Iraq, scoff at the idea that Washington has a believable case on lumber. The North American Free Trade Agreement dispute resolution panels have ruled the U.S. is cheating us of $5 billion by imposing unfair duties.
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THe Star noted Rice came with a shopping list that the US wants Canada to do more on, while giving back nothing in return but nice words:
Bush wants Canada to do more in Iraq, beyond our $300 million in reconstruction aid. He wants our diplomatic support for his drive at the United Nations to punish Syria for meddling in Lebanon. He wants Canada to take on a bigger role in continental defence. And he is urging Ottawa to help dampen tension in the Middle East, Haiti and Sudan.
Rice also thanked Ottawa – a “generous, tested” ally – for sending troops to Afghanistan, for helping U.S. residents when Hurricane Katrina hit, and for co-operating on security issues. That is high praise for an ally who cannot seem to get the time of day for a trade complaint.
So, another mission accomplished for US and Bush diplomacy. Thanks for stopping by Condi. Sorry that home matters meant you had to cut your already brief visit short.
The Toronto Star newspaper noted Monday that Rice visited 39 countries, traveled 167,366 miles and spent 357 hours in the air “before making the 90-minute hop to Ottawa.”
Thanks for the courtesy call Condi.
This disease spreads faster than bird flu and brings incomparably more long-term disaster. There’s only one bright spot for US Americans: it couldn’t get much more embarrassing, could it?
Ah, how I love the politicians in this country. The level of snark encouraged by the parliamentary system is a wonder to behold!
I was under the impression the parlimentary form of goverment encouraged ‘Calm and Reasonable Debate’ (TM). One only needs to view the British Parliment during PM Question time to see this.
Could you possibly provide a link about the hearings that found in Canada’s favor? I’m a US citizen, living in Canada, but I work in the states. I just know that someone is going to get in my grill about this.
here you go
Check this link out
Hi there!
If I may be so bold as to ask…how complicated is it to live in Canada and work in the States? How do your taxes work?
My husband’s company has said that he can work from anywhere he likes as long as it’s in the States but I desperately want to move back to Canada. We’re looking at moving to Upstate New York so we can be as close to Canada as possible but still be in the States. If we could swing it that he has an office in the States but lives in Canada I’d be happy – although, I’m picky about where I’ll live too so that complicates things.
Anyway, thought I’d pick your brains about it if you don’t mind sharing.
thanks,
The bay is just waking up from his nap, so I don’t have much time to answer this. How about in the FBC tomorrow evening?
She makes an easily checked false statement, and then runs back to Washington to avoid press follow-up. These people are unbelievable.
Given the US trade policies that have had devastating effects in Latin America due to US agricultural conglomerates undercutting the small local farmers, Condi hasn’t a leg to stand on here.
There are times it really seems to me that the US is only interested in “free trade” when it isn’t especially free at all, but heavily weighted in our own favor.
It’s “dumping” and “unfair” when another country tries to sell their product here for less than our own industry can produce it (ie, softwood and sugar being good examples), but it’s “free trade” and “opening new markets” when we export our mass-produced surpluses to other countries, threatening the liviehood of thousands of people there who cannot produce their crops or products as cheaply in bulk as we can here. And if that country tries to level the playing field for its own industry by imposing tariffs, then we yell “unfair!” — and yet, we do the same thing. (The US corn and sugar lobbies has been fighting the importation of less-expensive sugar from South and Central America for years.)
Condi’s standard is fools’ gold, and Canada is right not to buy into it.
would be well advised to regard the US as a hotspot of contagious insanity, to be isolated and ignored until and unless there’s a verifiable recovery.
Can the administration be quarantined for ‘bird brain’ flu?
I don’t think quarantining will work; this administration seems to be a perpetual carrier of the disease. Sacrificing them is in order…
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well I thought I’d take a stab at least sounding like I wasn’t wanting revenge but actually as you mention maybe just twisting all their little necks until dead would work..isn’t that what they do for ‘mad chicken disease’.
Did you have to bring up my worst fear for my dear little poultry out in the henhouse? 🙂
It’s only okay if we’re talking about big nasty mean old chickenhawks…
oh most definitely mad chicken disease was meant to apply to the the chickenhawks-big time.
The US, unhappy about the Nafta final ruling in August went on to the WTO which ruled in favor of the US. So the lesson here is, if the forum yields a bad result, find another forum. BTW, why would anyone trust the US on trade when agreements against torture are not honored? Being an American citizen gets harder all the time.
with illegal prospectors:
Trail of Broken Treaties:
A warrior in that fight, Leonard Peltier is still a political captive of the treaty-shredding US government.
I constantly marvel that anybody trust us in ANYTHING.
The neos really have a distorted sense of the US. We are not trusted anymore thanks to Condi, her boss cheney and his little helper bush. Pay the canadian’s their 5 billion for christ sake. This is embarrasing. Canada needs to start a nuclear weapons program. Nuclear is the only language we understand.
With this administration, shouldn’t that be nucular?
The press is so controlled and the events are all staged – the foreign press must just drive them all nuts. GWB never would have been elected if they had the parliamentary system down here – one question period and he’d wet his pants.
Thanks to Susan for promoting this to the front page. This is a really big issue.
I hope Canada continues to search for other markets then walks away from the table for good.
Treaties? Good gravy, this country was literally built on broken treaties. As Firesign Theater put it in a skit about the winning of the west, “This is our chance to carve a new life… out of the American Indian!”
We are not, historically, very good with treaties.
Anyway, kudos to the Canadian press.
One really can’t blame Condi for this.
For one thing, the Prime Minister failed to kiss Condi’s ring upon meeting her; for another, Condi was shocked when she noticed that Paul Martin did not have a picture of George Bush on the wall behind his desk. Really, can you blame her when she is treated with such disrespect?
I would suggest that if Canadian’s want to play with the grown-ups, they would be wise to offer up something to the Secretary of State when she visits. New shoes, for instance.
As for the Canadian press: they are acting so twentieth century. I suggest some of their “leading” journalists attend some of Jeff Gannon’s seminars. I understand he hands out nice little certificates to those that complete the course, along with some penicillin.
I thought her husband, oops president wanted us to get into their Star Wars/missle-to-missle program so that it could be tested over Canadian territory. [whats’ a few moose?]
The reconstruction of the southern gulf states is going to take all the lumber in North America so Condi should not be so sniffy about a ‘little trade dispute.’
NB – watch for costs of home building materials to hit the roof folks.
Good point. They should just cut us off entirely. I’m sure someone else could use all that wood. Wait…something from the debates…. doesn’t Bush have an investment in some type of wood?
Speaking of wood, here a news release from minutes ago on illegal logging in Honduras:
(Note the bold parts)
Thanks for this find.
I just keep scouring the news releases today in hopes of any news on the indictments! lol
I also keep checking PFitz DoJ site, because he has a habit of releasing indictments on the net first in Illinois cases (or so I’ve read…)
yeah, I checked his site once already today also but nothing new there so far.
We sure do love our treaties. I just wonder why anyone woule be interested in signing them with us.
For that matter, I kind of wonder why we are so willing to sign them with other countries either. No one seems to be too willing to stick by their word, or more like the word of their predecessor.
I really wish that treaties were reserved for more important things and were kept smaller in scope. Things like “let’s not go to war against each other” instead of being unable to protect jobs in your own country just to favor large corporations.
Does anyone find it odd that protectionism is considered a bad word? “Protecting” your own is bad?!?!?
But we did sign the treaty, and the treaty specified the NAFTA court would be the final arbitor. We should give you your money. Or even better, we should return it to the US citizens that paid the tariff.
But I really do think that you Canadians are a little too chainsaw happy. BC is like California in the 50s and 60s.