Drinking in the ruins – Liberal Street Fighter
We could argue forever about when it happened: about whether it was the threat of communism; the rapid growth of Evangelical Corpo-Fundamentalism; the courts insisting to white America that it should actually share this country equally with ALL Americans (at which point we started to tear apart everything we were supposed to share), but plainly the shambling horror that stalks the world now is only the re-animated corpse of the nation born of a dream that was the United States of America.
It is driven by the base instincts to consume and destroy, personified in the modern Republican Party. However, those instincts are enabled and sustained by the sad and pathetic Democratic Party, recent signs of resistance notwithstanding, a party marked by its cowardice, duplicity and willingness to go along with just about anything as long as it gets to keep its place at the table. A lazy and voracious parasite, made even more dangerous by the fact that its mere existence makes direct resistance nearly impossible.
Jan Frel sums up the sad state of affairs nicely over at Alternet with Democrats Fiddling as the World Burns:
It’s time for the Democrats to seize the political advantage, right? Every single political branch in D.C. is on fire. The world is also on fire, or drowning: the American public has clear, massive majority positions on Iraq, Katrina, our $8 trillion national debt, world poverty, $3 gallon gas and rapid climate change. Yet what we’ve gotten so far from the Democratic leadership is meaningless sloganeering.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and power-hungry Hillary Clinton’s big rhetorical banner for 2006 — as good an indicator to the Democrats’ predictions of where all this scandal and disaster is going to take them in the next election as any — is, America Can Do Better.
There was much rejoicing this past week at the use of a parliamentary rule to force the Senate into closed session, but of course the important word there is closed. The sovereign force in this country, the people, have no idea what was said, though promises came out that the Intelligence Committee will do something about an investigation into the warping of intelligence by the Bush/Cheney White House leading into the Iraq War.
Frel continues:
Here’s where I part from those who have taken the time to criticize the D.C. Democrats for such a feckless response. Step back and look at the political climate for a moment before passing judgment on America Can Do Better. The legal investigations listed above have been the driving engine of the political process for months now. Political advantage is currently determined by the ups and downs of pending cases; we’re bringing the courts into the political process on a comprehensive scale far beyond what we saw with Ken Starr in the ’90s — a trend that, if treated by political leaders as appropriate politics, as the Roman historian Tacitus attested, is proof of a deceased republic.
Democrats and their partisan supporters are relying on prosecutors to do what they couldn’t at the ballot box. Patrick Fitzgerald would not be in the spotlight today if John Kerry hadn’t been such a squeamish collaborator in our rush to war in Iraq, and such an unrepentant coward leading up to the 2004 election (and he still is a year later).
And there’s a price to pay for making prosecutors like Fitzgerald the hero of the moment; it gives further incentive for the Democratic Party in Washington, wraith of the New Deal coalition that it is, to languish and let legal investigations do their “work” for them.
America Can Do Better is the fitting and perfect motto for the Democratic political class. What’s sillier are the expectations of slogans about Iraq, corporations or the environment, given the sick state of our political system. This hasn’t been lost on the public, which, despite giving an approval rating of 40 percent to congressional Republicans during these months of scandal, gives the opposition a rating that hovers under 50. Is it fair to expect that the public will view Scooter Libby as simply a Bush-serving Republican villain when it comes to light that he was a lawyer for Clinton pardonee Marc Rich?
As for that “squeamish coward”, Mark Crispin Miller let fly with a little bombshell on Democracy Now today:
Speaking of John Kerry, I have some news for you. On Friday, this last Friday night, I arranged to meet Senator Kerry at a fundraiser to give him a copy of my book. He told me he now thinks the election was stolen. He said he doesn’t believe that he is the person who can go out front on the issue, because of the sour grapes, you know, question. But he said he believes it was stolen. He says he argues about this with his Democratic colleagues on the Hill. He had just had a big fight with Christopher Dodd about it, because he said, you know, `There’s this stuff about the voting machines; they’re really questionable.’ And Dodd was angry. `I don’t want to hear about it,’ you know, `I looked into it. There’s nothing there.’
Well, there’s plenty there, and let me add one thing: This is not a criminal case, okay? We don’t have to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is our election system, right? This is a system based on consent of the governed. If many, many millions of Americans are convinced that they got screwed on Election Day and couldn’t vote, or if 3.4 million more Americans claim that they voted than the actual total of voters — this is what the Census Bureau told us last May – this is grounds alone for serious investigation, and I think Mark would agree with me here. We have to have serious investigation.
What else is there to say? Rising discontent amongst the citizenry is more and more apparent, whether you judge it by polls, by the anecdotal daily experience of talking to other people or by the increasing number of protests that our wholly corrupt media steadfastly refuses to cover. The way that we the sovereign people are SUPPOSED to exert our will, the ballot box, is as rotten through as the piles of garbage strewn about the gulf coast. Protests are ridiculed and ignored. Only dollars speak, and even interest groups that ordinary people use to express their political will are increasingly ineffective. Enormous effort is spent on branding of one viewpoint or another, leaving only empty plastic shipping popcorn inside the pretty packaging in place of ideas.
ALL of our institutions seem broken: the press, political parties, the court system, churches, military … ennui, corruption and the Peter Principle are the rule. Compare the resultant mess to Falling Rome perhaps, or perhaps we’ve all become the zombies in 29 Days Later, a chaotic army of hungry ghouls lashing out in violent consuming lust. Those of us sane enough to try to stop the disaster have to spend much of our energy trying to just not be eaten, let alone work together toward a cure to our electoral pandemic. Perhaps all that is left is to try to survive, as I’m not convinced that last Tuesday’s action was anything more than a fit of pique from an old man pissed off that he wasn’t paid a courtesy call before Scalito was annointed as the new Associate Ayatollah.
We’re in survival mode time here folks. Regroup, work locally, support the few courageous leaders of the New Deal Coalition still working in Washington, but quit looking for a quick fix. Fitzgerald isn’t going to come striding along in a hazmat suit to administer some exotic anti-Liddy antidote to save us. There is no magic bullet, no magical “framed’ slogan to be chanted, no White Knight or inspired Joan d’Arc is going to ride in and rally the troops. A long hard slog by a peasant army, a political resistance, is in front of us. Resist the cheerleading when the feckless elected elites do something once in a while … drop them a line, perhaps, but keep the heat on.
Of course, you could just watch the ongoing decay. George Carlin will be offering his thirteenth live concert on HBO this Saturday. In a profile in the NY Times, Carlin says:
Mr. Carlin’s new 75-minute HBO show is an extended meditation on the three aspects of life that have preoccupied him for nearly a half-century: the little experiences we all seem to share, the words we use and our penchant for doing one another (and the world around us) harm.
In that last regard, he is, on camera as well as off, the bystander who is usually rooting for the 10-car pileup, at least partly because it’s good for business.
“This place is eating itself alive,” he said in an interview a few days before the Dayton show. “I like applying the entropic principle from science to this country, this civilization. I think it is slowly disintegrating.”
“For me, it isn’t the fact of the disintegration so much as the act of it, watching it, seeing it,” he added. “It is a freak show. And in this country you get a front-row seat. And some of us have notebooks.”
He says he argues about this with his Democratic colleagues on the Hill. He had just had a big fight with Christopher Dodd about it, because he said, you know, `There’s this stuff about the voting machines; they’re really questionable.’ And Dodd was angry. `I don’t want to hear about it,’ you know, `I looked into it. There’s nothing there.’
Can kerry get more useless?, more inconsequential?… or late?, or act as the after the fact enabler? Having been the before the fact enabler, as well?
Great piece, Madman…
he’s like some high school kid who can’t do anything for fear of being unpopular.
The Crispin Miller interview goes on to describe Edward’s reaction to Kerry withdrawing so quickly:
Not just Kerry, of course, but also certain Blogheeling Big Blogger Boys ALSO insisted talk of election problems was verbotten, as many here remember well.
I’m sure I’ll hear about “conspiracy mongering” when I crosspost this later at the Big Orange Frat House.
I wouldn’t say that. What I would say is that he’s still practising the worst strategy the Democratic party ever came up with: say different things to everyone. I’m willing to bet that to pro-fraud bloggers and grassrooters, he’s pro-fraud… But to the semi-right-wing whackjobs infesting the party that insist that Bush won fair and square, he’s steadfastly in favour of moving to the right.
Great diary; right on the case about Small K kerry. (Provided of course that the worst case scenario…that he was a mole, and the second worst case idea that if HE wasn’t, maybe some of his advisors were.)
And as far as dKos is concerned…keep on trying. Tell them the truth and if they off you…well then that’s ANOTHER good mind that they will miss, and another little shard of real power that they will lose as a result.
So it goes…
2010- “Food Network brings you The Daily Kos Cooking Show!!! Great recipes from trolls past and future!!! Tune in!!!”
So it goes…
Eventually, people will tune out.
What goes up, must come down.
So it goes.
AG
I voted “other” – your poll forgot absinthe! Hell, if we’re all going down for the count, I might as well try it.
Seriously, though, you make a good case for losing hope. Many days I feel exactly what you’re saying – but I have to keep hanging in there. Maybe for my kids? Maybe because I couldn’t stand to live with the alternative?
And on top of everything you point out, I make my living in the environmental field – now there’s a career field to make you depressed if you let it:
But then I remember another Leopold quote, and I hang in there for another day:
The day I went from being a moderate liberal to a raging radical was the day I realized (in my early 40’s) that things are so fucked up, they’re going to be fucked up for the rest of my life, and fucked up when I die. And that got me mad as hell, ’cause it wasn’t always this way.
And so I rotate through my cycle of “angry / despairing / depressed / calmly bemused / hopeful” over and over again. But it still beats being dead; something deep inside keeps telling me to just keep hanging in there.
If America is as bad as you paint, it will collapse of its own internal dry rot, just like the Soviet Union. And the planet – its people and its biosphere – will be better off in the long run. From the seeds planted in the manure of the collapse time rise the institutions of the next social order, from new religions to new forms of government. Jung among others said that whatever the next religion is that’s going to replace Christianity when our social order collapses is already here in some embryonic form: That’s what all the “New Age” and “Age of Aquarius” talk really goes back to. The forms that survive will be the ones that meet the needs of the times, unlike the social order that collapsed due to its being so out of touch with the needs of the times and the people.
(Obviously I don’t believe in American Exceptionalism any more than I do in Santa. Probably would have eventually gotten me banned at Kos, had I not left voluntarily with the pie ladies.)
The days I feel the way you’ve expressed are the days I have yet another fight with the wife about moving to Canada: When Rome fell, probably the best place to be was in Gaul. So the task is to find today’s Gaul and pack the family off to there. Only my better half, not as given to “wild fancies” keeps telling me we lived through Nixon, we lived through Reagan, and we can live through this. I tell her I’m tired of “living through” one “bad emperor” after another.
(So don’t be surprised if someday I pester Booman into renaming my account “Winnipeg Progressive.”)
One thing I remember from Watergate was how it seemed to take forever for things to collapse for Nixon. I always thought that I remembered it that way because I was an impatient teenager, but in retrospect it really did take quite a while. We’ve got three more years for things to play out for the Bushista junta. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens in 2006 and 2008… For right now, I packed “the Canada files” in a box when Libby got indicted, but I have no intention of throwing the box out!
one thing about hope … it’s like courage, or bravery. One of the worst things about Americans is how loose and sloppy we are with language. Everyone who survives something horrible is a “hero” and “brave”. Well, no, and always trying to look on the bright side by refusing to face how dark things are ISN’T “hopeful”. It isn’t “hopeful” to expect a savior or one transforming event.
Hope is refusing to stay down when things look impossible, continuing to struggle toward some better place in a future you won’t live to see because you believe it’s right, like bravery is refusing to give into fear and fighting on.
So, in a way, you can only be hopeful if you look the dire situation in the face. In my own way, I mean these things to be hopeful.
If you go to Canada, can we come with you?!
:<)
Actually, our escape (and escape route if it comes to that) is Amsterdam. For reasons still unknown to me (they were colonialist too), I feel like I’m really free. There is literally an ocean that separates us from all the craziness. There are probably other places on the globe where I can feel the same (I have a good friend who swears by Costa Rica).
From what I learned about Nixon (I was born during his second term), it seemed to me that it took a while for him to finally resign; he waited until the handwriting on the wall was visible from 100 feet. And even when he did, the bumbling Ford (who I’d later learn was a former football player–not who you’d think of as “bumbling”) was at least smart enough to have swept everything else and everyone else under the rug through his pardons. Maybe not so “bumbling.”
Some 30 years later, the same cretins–who were never dealt with then, and never dealt with during Iran Contra–are back, having amassed even more power. I believe they are capable of anything. “Integrating a burning house,” indeed.
It’s the triumph of the segregationists spawn … which really is the confederate spawn. You have people who will fight to the death to preserve the sterling image of a system which is really corrupt, evil and failing–which, even in its descent, is fantastically brutal to those on the bottom of the system. And those who are neither the land-owning rich nor the slaves, buy into the sterling image and believe themselves members in good standing–worship it like a religion, delude themselves so fully that they literally cannot function when disturbed by reality–that they blind themselves to the reality of the failing system even more fervently to feel better than the dreaded slaves.
Like many, I thought that at least once we got to Carter, our country would be OK. Then, like a junkie, the country wanted another feel-good hit and got saddled w/ the Reagan/Bush years during which I came of age.
But we were pulled back from the brink yet again with Clinton–or so I thought–until ’94. That’s when I stopped thinking that anything could really stop the impending doom, even though thought a Democratic president could at least mitigate the worst of a rethug Congress.
(And folks want to ask my generation why cynicism comes so easily to us? I remember during impeachment, a friend of mine, a fellow Democrat who knew it was all BS but was still mad that Clinton even put himself in such a position said, “But you want to believe in your president.” And I replied, “I came of age during Reagan/Bush–why would I ever believe in a president?”)
And you want to know what’s so bad? I didn’t plan on writing any of this … it just came tumbling out. Really I just wanted to ask you how you changed your screen name because I’m mulling doing the same.
I dunno … maybe Canada isn’t far enough.
Actually, it all just came tumbling out for me, too – although I did use Google to find the Leopold quotes I had in mind, LOL.
As far as the name change, I did a rant diary a while back saying I’d had it with spineless dems and was going to drop my “Dem in Knoxville” name. I even had a poll where folks could vote for my new name. Most folks (including our host) seemed to want me to keep the “Knoxville” in my “nom de blog” so they could keep track that it was still me, so that’s how I ended up with the new name.
Part of the “Ford as bumbling” meme came from a couple of incidents where he did things like hit his head on the top of the door frame exiting Air Force 1, and Saturday Night Live (which at the time had the bite of The Daily Show today) ttok off with the idea and used it over and over again, savaging Ford. Looking back (since I was a teenager at the time) it’s difficult for me to seperate out the two to say how deserved the reputation was… After Nixon, he certainly seemed more honest, although everyone was irate when he pardoned Nixon. He also seemed more bumbling, but then he was left to clean up Nixon’s messes – the collapse of Vietnam; the “stagflation” that hit as the costs fo Vietnam and rising energy prices hit home.
Loved the “Christmas in the White House” skit when Chevy Chase/Ford climbs up on the ladder to put the star on top. You knew it was coming, but the slow tumble into the tree which slowly fell down scattering ornaments and presents … I laughed so hard ….
I voted in the poll, too, though I don’t think I voted for your eventual new nom de blog.
I want to shorten to “AP” but only for the most depressing of reasons–I ID as Black when I’m online and well … the “Aunt” and “Uncle” attached to Black folks often has unfortunate connotations.
(((sigh))) And I devised said nom de blog as a play on the name that my wonderful nieces use for me. Guess I never thought I’d get into blogging so much. But what works for family doesn’t work for the outside world. Unfortunately.
Where is he or she?
but he usually hangs out in Caracas.
;>
Dean.
AG
He told me he now thinks the election was stolen. He said he doesn’t believe that he is the person who can go out front on the issue, because of the sour grapes, you know, question. But he said he believes it was stolen.
Whom should Kerry have to convince? Not the Supreme Court. They are now harvesting spawn from their host administration. Not Congress. It is now inseparable from the executive branch.
I myself am already convinced, at least of an absence of accounting. And I am not too polite to mention it.
I think I matter.
You didn’t have a red wine option: syrah, granache, shiraz, bordeaux, or even that fucking merlot!
Sacramental wine doesn’t count. Especially when I found out that what was used as communion wine in our church when we were younger was Mad Dog. The hubby saw the empty cases of it down in the basement.
Friggin’ Mad Dog??? Guess it was cheap. Jesus…
I woulda thought Jesus would be more of a Boone’s Farm kinda guy, but maybe that’s just me. Though the thought of the blood of Christ being represented by Mad Dog 20/20 is kind of hilarious and appropo as well!
…they’re using grape juice now.
But my goodness, I thought it would have at least been Reunite (the Brut by Faberge of wine) or Gallo (a close second) or something.
But yeah, Mad Dog is about as bad Boone’s Farm. The wine of choice for dumb, bored teenagers everywhere.
I almost resembled that remark a long time ago, unfortunately no matter how much Boone’s Farm or Mad Dog or Jack Dainels I drank, no matter how much experimenting I did with every drug under the sun I did, I couldn’t get the dumb part down just right…believe me, I tried….
I have only taken communion once (mostly ’cause I’m really not “supposed” to, heathen that I am) at a friend’s wedding, Italian Catholic wedding Irish Catholic,, the reception was quite grand….those wafers are pretty nasty too….
I’d rather eat seaweed.
Yeah, the “bread” they use is pretty nasty.
They used to actually have homemade bread. Mmmmmm. But honestly, who has time to bake it anymore–especially since so many have apparently grown fond of megachurches now?
God-flesh tends to stick to the back of your throat …
The back of my throat is goddess/god/godlet-flesh, and so is your and yours and yours…
And I mean, I REALLY laughed out loud.
It’s goulish, isn’t it, when you actually stop and think about the practice.
But with homemade bread and Mad Dog as symbols, it can’t be all bad. 🙂
The whole thing:
communion = ritual cannibalism
symbol of the faith = the cross, a brutal form of torture/capital punishment
all of the emphasis on suffering rather than beauty, punishment rather than redemption, and that redemption being available ONLY thru a rigid either / or choice. Women being the “source” of sin entering into the world.
the whole thing is deeply sick, esp. the modern fundamentalist evangelical strain.
And no, I don’t have to be tolerant toward it.
It’s hard enough being the resident liberals in the family w/o having to do battle regarding why we celebrate the religion of our slavemasters. Do we have to point that out, too?????
:<)
Seriously. I try desperately to make my peace with it, to reconcile my beliefs and my brain and I can’t. There’s a good bit of culture and heritage I walk away from on one hand, but I can also walk away from the homophobia, the gossip, the sometimes Payton Place nature on the other. I absolutely believe in God; I absolutely DON’T believe in the folks who say they speak for him/her/it.
It’s just not that easy for me. Darn my mother giving me a friggin conscience. Wingnuts don’t have this problem.
And with all of the stifling, contradictory crap, there’s still comfort in the ritual. Acceptance–or at least knowing that non-acceptance comes from a place that doesn’t despise you because you’re Black–is just hard to come by. A racist society just doesn’t make it easy to give up the one security blanket you have. You don’t have many places to go for acceptance. And sometimes, as a human being, you need to be in place where you’re loved, accepted, don’t have to explain.
So leave me my delusions, dammit!!!!
/snark.
:<)
This has the makings of a diary. The hubby and I really wrestled over some questions. Wish you could have been in the car to hear and to comment. But at some point, I will have to expand on it ‘cuz I’ve gotten away from the main topic at hand. Sorry to hijack!
cut me a thick slice of Cafe du Monde one of these days and do it, and there will be great wailing and gnashing of mice, and the site will be trolled by drunken Jesuits, disgruntled Rabbis, dueling Imams, supercillious saddhus and smirking Zoroasterians before you can hit reload, and poor BooMan will be ordering Prozac wholesale from Thailand.
Yuck! That brings back some not-so fond memories.
“‘not drinking any fucking merlot!”
Red wine gives me headaches, though I love it from time to time w/ dinner.
I thought you’d pick up on the merlot comment. :<)
But that’s a shame about your headaches being caused by red wine. It does that some people. It would rather seem to me like being allergic to shellfish. I just can’t imagine not being able to partake.
I actually found a page w/ theories about what causes red wine headaches!
This is a problem that should be solved!
I notice it tends to be the “woodier” darker red wines that give me the bad headaches, so I’m leaning toward the “tannins” theory.
In a word: tannins.
I have a chemist friend, godfather (for lack of a better title) to my children, distiller of spirits extrondiniarre, who could make you a red that would not bother your head a bit!
😉
is to ask a different question. Great ranting diary, madman, but your premise is that the goal must be to restore the US of A to its former alleged glory. You make an excellent case for the depth of the problem, which grows not just from manipulation by the top but also from longstanding resentments (integration), wackjob faiths, worship of wealth, and voluntary ignorance enthusiastically embraced by a large part of the population.
We struggle against these forces as in a nightmare, working and working and getting nowhere, as if we are mired in a lake of molasses. And for what? Just to keep things the same?
My problem with the Dems and the liberals is their stubborn and predictable refusal to think of other options: namely breaking up and starting over from scratch. But we are as stupidly chained to the Constitution and the founders as the evangelicals are chained to their bible. I think we need to begin serious conversation about tossing it all out and making something new, probably something that does not include the current geography of the US of A. Or does our own faith tell us that nobody alive today has the intellect or understanding or ideas to create anything as glorious as that old product of rich white slaveowners? Or even to do some riffs on its themes?
You make a compelling case that we can’t count on the Dems or anybody else. But in our current system they are all we have, because our beloved Constitution assures that there will be no other significant political powers, nothing approaching a diverse and healthy political ecosystem in the US of A. It’s easy to preach to the evangelicals and such to give up their stupid beliefs. Maybe it’s time we start taking our own medicine.
oh, I’m under no illusion that things were great in the past, but rather a return to the idea that this is an ongoing experiment. The Constitution is foundation, not a boundary.
Sometimes I’ve thought about the possibility of a new Constitutional Convention … “start from scratch” … but frankly I think racism and greed have so poisoned this country that I fear we’d end up with much worse.
Worth considering though.
madman, I love the resonance in the phrase
the Constitution is a foundation, not a boundary
beauty
Well, seems to me the Constitution is a boundary. Most harmful of all is its functional mandate for a two-party system, which I believe is no longer workable. We will not get change or responsiveness as long as two power groupings are content to alternate at the trough.
We’ll end up with “much worse”, you say. I suppose the majority that opposed American independence thought the same thing. Freedom and justice can only thrive when they are at risk. Trying to preserve them by mindless faith in a dead piece of paper can only strangle them to death. That’s why Jefferson prescribed that the tree of liberty must be fertilized from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
I’ve come to believe that if the best the so-called American left can do is hope for a better Dem party, we might as well just shut up and watch Desperate Housewives reruns until they come and take us away.
if the best the so-called American left can do is hope for a better Dem party, we might as well just shut up and watch Desperate Housewives reruns until they come and take us away
I’m right there with you on that, Dave, but you couldn’t get me to watch Disparate (yes, intentional) Housewives if my life depended on it. Really.
For some, the “dead peice of paper” may very well BE a boundary, but I think those who see it that way haven’t actually looked beyond the paper…I remember reading parts of the Declaration of Independence to my students in 1987 (i was teaching frosh comp for the first time at 21) and asking them where they thought it came from — not a one knew. Most of the reactions to it were along the lines of, that must be some sort of communist manifesto….
Funny you should mention the Declaration. “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
That’s what I’m talkin about: dissolving the political bands which have connected us to another. That’s the serious conversation I’m talkin about.
The Constitution, OTOH, is not a statement of principles, but an architectural plan and a set of laws. Neither works today. Whether it ever did is another debate. But as a mandated system and set of laws, it IS a boundary, exactly. I can only assume that you think the endless, skewed process of amendment is adequate to bring on the changes you want. To me that’s obviously not the case.
Or else you, like madman, believe that we’d of necessity do worse than those dead whiteman slaveowners. If that’s the case, again, why worry about politics at all? Do you really think the two-party system is good for anything? As long as we’re saddled with the Constitution and the current political geography it can’t be tossed in the garbage where it belongs. Within the system, where do you see hope for deep change? Or don’t you think deep change is necessary or good?
Dave, I am sorry that whatever I posted made you think I am not on your side, or perhaps you are just in a overly confrontation mood this afternoon?
My metion of the Declaration was not meant to be funny, neither in the “ha ha” way or in the “that odd” way. The “serious conversation” that you’re talking about is one I am quite ready to have.
The changes I want, since you ask, will not be brought about until 60% of the people who do not vote and do not care start to and I don’t see that happening in my lifetime or my children’s. Amendment system? No, not a chance. The two-party system is a worthless pile of shit, not to put too fine a point on it, and if you care to persue my comments on such you might find some further insight into what I actually think.
And, nope, I do NOT care about politics at all, not in the way that it currently practiced in this country — I think the system is irreprably broken, corrupted by $$ and corporate personhood — we the people don’t mean shit, and no, I don’t see hope for “deep change”, I don’t believe huamns are capable of it as a mass, individuals and small groups maybe, but as a whole? No.
well, I’m not sure we’d do worse, but the conversations I have w/ my fellow citizens don’t fill me with hope.
Those dead white slaveholders had schooling and a deep respect for reason. That is all-but gone now. They believed that people could, through debate, find solutions to problems. We seem to have lost that too.
I am interested in politics b/c I also know that not ALL Americans are like that, and that those who are engaged could convince more people if we went about it correctly. Perhaps a constitutional convention of some sort would be a way to do it (the only other way would seem to be civil war … ).
The two-party system isn’t called for in the Constitution, but rather grew up over time and become codified by the dominant parties in statutes ostensibly passed to stabilize the system.
Legal systems require a continuity in order to assure some sense of stability, thus my belief that any Convention should maintain the current Constitution as a starting place. The founders didn’t build the current Constitution from scratch … they used English Common Law, the earlier Articles of Confederacy and reportedly the Haudenosaunee Constitution of the Five Nations.
It is definitely a debate worth having, and there is much of the current structure that need correction/abandonment (the first thing I’d build into a new/revived Constitution would be the elimination of corporate “personhood” and strict limits on the reach and size of corporations).
brinnainne, I had no intentional of being confrontational or personal in any way. Sorry if it came across like that. I am in a long-term mood, though, sick of liberals and lefties, myself included, going on and on about what’s wrong, and yet being unwilling to seriously contemplate radical change. We end up handicapping the next elections as if a Kerry or a Hillary in the White House would be more than a temporary slowing in the ongoing slide into the flusher. I no longer see any hope but truly radical change, and that means, at the least, a constitutional convention as an alternative to civil war. If you have a third choice, I’d love to hear it.
mad, I agree: the current Constitution should be the starting point. Maybe we’d decide to not change a thing. Maybe we’d decide to toss it all out. The Constitution does not mandate a two-party system in the same sense that the laws of physics do not mandate the formation of granite: both just result from the fundamental map. Can you think of a way to end the two-party system without changing the Constitution? I can’t.
Corporate personhood is not part of the Constitution either. It was, in fact, the work of an activist judge. It’s so entrenched now that it would take a Constitutional change to get rid of it, however. Other crucial changes seem to me to be an explicit right to vote, nomination of judges by Congress instead of the president, limited terms for SC justices, settlement one way or another of the “right to bear arms”, and recognition of an inalienable right to privacy. I would also consider either devolution of the geographic size of the nation or a radically new federal/regional system, with several regions taking over most of the current power of the federal government.
I think making a Constitutional Convention a national project, an open-source process, we’d involve many people who quietly gave up on the system a long time ago. I think it’s the last chance for the citizens to make a stand against the corporate/military/ruling classes. Do you see another?
A Consitutional Convention sound like a great idea, but I don’t think it would work in our present day country — we can’t even convince the majority of the voting public that what goes on in washington affects their lives in any way …. I thin more of them would get behind the idea of a civil war, sad as that is.
I am willing to both bitch about what is wrong AND contemplate radical change, I can see it, visualize it, dream it, but when I come back down to my workaday life and my neighbors and friends, I don’t see it happening — people are clinging right now, clinging to whatever they think is keeping them afloat. Radical change will only happen with utter collapse, and that takes time….just mho.
the look in kerry’s eyes when he renounced victory…. it has haunted me ever since that awful moment.
it was so …veiled.
my worst conspiracy theories zoomed to the surface of my mind, but it wasn’t till your diary today that the word to describe that look came slamming solidly home_
zombie
maybe he was just tired from the campaign
but…why did he not call bush on their respective war records during the debate?
too much of a gentleman?
I don’t think he really wanted it. No … hunger for it, and I think you need it to win.
How, for example, could you have a spotless medical record from the military and NOT release it when it could have stopped so many of the lies.
He didn’t really want it enough.