(First posted as a comment on one of Knoxville Progressive’s fine Friday night Jazz Jam series here. Friday Night Jazz Jam – 4 Nov. 2005)
Hi Knoxville Progressive…
I just want to introduce myself. Arthur Gilroy is a pseudonym, mostly because I do not want by political views to intrude upon my professional life. I simply cannot afford the possible financial hit at present. I am a NYC jazz musician, and have played with (and often written for) just about EVERYBODY in the 30+ years that I have been in NY. Charles Mingus, Thad Jones/Mel Lewis, Dizzy Gillespie, Gil Evans, all of the great latin bands (Machito, Tito Puente, Chico O’Farrill, Eddie and Charlie Palmieri, etc.), Lee Konitz, plus a couple or few thousand OTHER gigs that have ranged from the musically sublime to the ridiculous but financially necessary.
I just want to commend you on your posts. It is rare today that a non-musician is as deep into the music as you are.
(Read on…)
And to say this…
One of the ways that the forces that are presently driving this country and society to destruction have done so is by cheapening the popular music of the society. The Greeks believed that one could change a nation by changing the mode of its music. Now “mode” in musical theory means a certain kind of scale, and I think that on that level alone, this idea is quite accurate. On the most basic of levels, there are scales that produce generally happy and optimistic feelings in human beings, and there are others that produce sadness. But if you take this idea further…as far as the Northern Indian classical traditions has taken it over thousands of years, for example…you find that there are very finely focused scales (Ragas, as the Indian musicians refer to them.) that produce very finely focused responses in human beings. In fact, they are SO finely focused in the Indian system that some of them are only to be played at certain times of the day and/or during certain seasons.
And the same can be said for rhythmic feels on another level.
Now when this country…with ALL of its faults and shortcomings…was in a sort of ascendancy…when no matter how you might feel about the inner workings of the society, it stood up and reformed itself to some great degree and at the same time actively resisted the evil that was in place in the world at the time (Say from the crash of 1928 or even the early ’20s “Jazz Age” through the beginnings of the civil rights movement and the assassinations and riots of the ’60s and ’70s which marked the end of that era.), we created a musical idiom AS THE POPULAR MUSIC OF THE CULTURE that was SO strong, SO deep that it literally spread all over the world. Only 100 years after Louis Armstrong played his first notes into a recording system, “jazz” (I prefer to call it “American music”, but I will use the word jazz as a sort of shorthand here.) has spread all over the world. And is THRIVING in almost all of the countries of that world. There are good jazz scenes in Japan, in Lebanon, in Turkey, in Russia, all OVER Europe. China is opening up to the music. In South America, Central America and the Caribbean, the true popular musics of most of the societies are identifiably “jazz” in many ways and have indeed seriously influenced the “jazz” of America since the very beginning. (“The Spanish tinge” spoken of by Jelly Roll Morton as early as 1914.)
In fact, there is only one developed nation on Earth where jazz is NOT very popular among listeners.
Guess where?
The United States.
And guess why?
BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ACTIVELY OPPOSED THE GROWTH OF THE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEMS OF URBAN BLACK AMERICA BY USE OF FORCE AND COVERT DRUG DISPERSION BEGINNING AS FAR BACK AS THE SIXTIES AND (SUCCESSFULLY) CULMINATING IN THE CRACK DEBACLE THAT FUELED THE WHOLE IRAN/CONTRA THING, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE FRIGHTENED OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF BLACK AND MINORITY AND PROGRESSIVE AMERICA ACTUALLY FOUND AN EFFECTIVE POLITICAL VOICE, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAW TO IT THAT THE HEROES OF THAT AMERICA…MLK JR., MALCOLM X, RFK, JFK, MUHAMMAD ALI AND SCORES OF OTHERS WERE (ONE WAY OR ANOTHER) SHUT OUT OF THE SYSTEM, ALSO SHUT THE MUSIC DOWN AND SUBSTITUTED SOME FACELESS, NAMELESS, OUT OF TUNE BULLSHIT IN ITS PLACE.
Consciously?
I think maybe, to some degree, yes. And unconsciously, as well. It just flat out scared the SHIT out of them.
Now I am not being a “jazz” purist here.
I’m talking about Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles, about Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin just as much as I am talking about Miles Davis and Gil Evans and Stan Getz and Charles Mingus and John Coltrane. I am talking about positive music.
On ANY level.
Because music from the heart…from the soul (They don’t call Aretha-style music “soul music” fer nuthin’, you know.) is dangerous to controllers like this.
It awakens the sleeper within us all.
So when I see the…rare, all too rare…posts on the left blogoshpere about “jazz”, I am encouraged.
And when I play at the Village Vanguard on a Monday night with the band (The Vanguard Orchestra) that continues the work of the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Band (which was ITSELF a real continuation of the swing/bebop tradition by way of Basie and 52nd St. in NYC…for about 45 years of Monday nights at the Vanguard and counting, still alive and still burning.)…and I see a full house every night, people from all over the country and the world, people of all ages, I am encouraged.
And when I play all over the U.S…in the midwest, the west, in the south and the north and New England…with GREAT bands that are working for relative peanuts out of sheer love for the music and see standing ovation after standing ovation, I am encouraged.
BUT…big money is STILL buying the music down. The REAL money is going to Wynton Marsalis and the whole Lincoln Center thing…$14 million and counting this year, and that’s what they will ADMIT to. All of it from corporate and quasi-governmental entities. The PermaGov…foundations and such. Oil money, Big Pharma and Big Bank money. Corporate money that has as its main interest…again, consciously or not…maintaining the ongoing hypnotic trance of the American Sleeple. And notwithstanding Wynton’s obvious talents…that music and that scene is jive. Ask almost ANY real player who is not on that particular money teat.
It’s Bush Jazz.
As real as FEMA or Homeland Security or Halliburton or Enron.
And the Lincoln Center “Jazz” building is just a big jazz mall.
It’s a scam.
So…to my point. (Finally…sorry.)
When you speak of your love for this music, when you recommend the great, great musicians that you have chosen to mention, remember.
Like Miles and Diz and Bird…on one level, they are almost all just another bunch of dead motherfuckers.
Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it’s true.
And there is a LARGER…and equally talented…bunch of LIVE motherfuckers out there, most of whom are getting by on a (s)wing and a prayer.
Talk about THEM as well.
And…TALK ABOUT THE SOCIETAL POLITICS OF MUSIC while you are at it.
Understand…if Germany and Japan had been the possessors of a living swing tradition in the ’30s and ’40s and we had not, we’d all be speaking German now and little moustaches would be WAY in favor.
We SWUNG our way to victory.
And now we have lost our swing.
We have lost it to overproduced country and rap and rock and whatever else is out there. Most of which is ASSEMBLED BY MACHINES with as little fallible human input as possible rather than being sung and swung from human hearts and souls.
Thus it has no positive spiritual power.
And we are a suffocating society as a result.
This inferior music s not the ONLY reason…but it is not just a symptom, either.
The young people who went to hear Gene Krupa play with Benny Goodman, who danced to the Basie Band and listened to the lyric and rhythmic subtleties of Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald and Peggy Lee and Billie Holiday, who felt the blue notes and the rhythms pull and tug at their very souls, those people went out and put their lives on the line to stop fascism.
The ones who sit chemically zombified through a Britney Spears concert or mechanically “dance” to techno music in a dance club or dream of bitches and ho’s and killing cops behind a nihilistic frustration with their lot as society’s buttfucks…THEY ain’t gonna do SHIT when push comes to shove except jerk off some more and wait for the next load of bad food.
Change the mode of the music to change the society.
It’s the only real weapon that I personally possess, beyond maybe a little talent with words. So I’m using that little talent to ask you to help those with GREAT talent contribute that talent to help change this system.
Pay attention to the living as WELL as the dead.
The music LIVES.
If it is well dispersed throughout the society…and every little bit helps in this regard, which I why I am saying this here…then WE will “live” as well.
That’s the theory, anyway.
We shall see.
Later…
AG
The ORIGINAL “tip jar” was the whiskey glass that whorehouse and saloon and rent party piano players put on their piano to collect money.
Jellyroll did it…who am I to disagree?
Thanks…
AG
Wow, take 24 hours off-lie to deal with some family stuff, and come back to quite a surprise!
All I can say to your diary is WOW!
I gave you a 4 because I can’t give you a 10 – I agree with everything you’ve said. I agree that the music industry sucks, and – like many other aspects of big business, big government, and other large impersonal forces in society – it sucks out people’s talents and then throws them away like a used Kleenex.
Jazz scares the hell out of them because, in music at least, it’s the ultimate in personal expression and freedom. It’s the cry in the face of the universe that I may be only one human being, but I am unique and precious for just that reason. I talked about that back in the first couple of jazz diaries, and you’re right, I haven’t much of late – personal business, personal laziness. No damned excuse, really.
My focus in the Jazz Jams has been to open a discussion on the music but also to provide some orientation for folks who are new to jazz, to point them in the direction of folks that they should listen to while “getting their feet wet” so they can learn to speak the language that as a professional musician you’re living and breathing. It can be intimidating for someone who’s new to jazz. But you are right that there’s no reason it needs to be solely focused on big names and dead folks.
I certainly don’t want to neglect the aspects you point out, and encourage you to drop by to point all of us – myself included – in the direction of new groups on the scene that are worthy of note. I’m not in exactly the center of the jazz universe, nor am I a professional musician (when asked what instrument I play, I tell people the CD player, although I messed around on a guitar in college…) so you’re in a better position than I am to bring those aspects to the conversation.
As a non-musician I’m in amazement of the talent of folks like yourself, and even more so at your generosity of heart and spirit in musically baring your soul for others, to uplift our common humanity. I offer up the Jazz Jam as a weekly tribute to folks like yourself.
As far as the political end of the discussion, I’ll try and keep that in mind, although swimming in that ocean 24/7 you may be a more effective spokesperson than myself. I would be honored to riff off whatever you bring to the Froggy Bottom Jazz lounge.
Again, many many thanks for the input. I’m honored and humbled that so many folks here find something worthwhile in the Jazz Jam. It speaks to the power and truth of the music, not to any meager efforts at presentation I bring to the table.
And you’re doing a great job, Knox. Not just with introducing newcomers, but reminding oldtimers.
I’m a long-time lover of the music who’s never been crazy about vocalists (excepting maybe Betty Carter and Cassandra Wilson in her earlier days). Your diary of a few weeks ago had me smacking myself on the head because I still had never done any serious listening to Billie Holiday, though I had always liked what I heard. Got a good compilation and oh, my my. Thanks!
I’ve been enjoying your diaries, Knox, and it’s been nice to hear about some of the more familiar and accessible stuff, because I’m NOT a jazz musician/afficionado. I’m going to check out some of the ones AG recommended, but not everyone has ready access to find and listen to some of the stuff listed in this diary. I checked iTunes, and not many of them were there. (AG, if you’re reading this and can point me in the right direction, I’d appreciate it).
I’d enjoy seeing some collaboration in the form of Friday night comments, where people who are heavily into jazz can participate, and us newbie types are welcome too.
Amazon.
And all the other megastores, physical and virtual.
Google them, also.
Which ones are you trying to find?
AG
I know I’ll like The Chico O’Farrill Afro-Cuban Jazz Orchestra, but couldn’t find much on iTunes…any recommendations as to a particular cd?
The Maria Schneider band and Vanguard Orchestra sounded interesting too.
I don’t usually order from Amazon, but I’ll head over there to see what I can find. Thanks!
CG: also try google’g the individual artist/group. Many, if not all will have a web site ar it will lead you to the label’s site.
Also, go back thru some of the past Friday Jams and you will find quite a few more reco’s…some even mine.
Enjoy
Peace
Actually, I believe the artists make more money if you go right to their site instead of Amazon, so I certainly second this approach. Also a great source of information on the artist, schedule of upcoming appearances, etc.
Music has become so insipid, so drained of life and soul, so homogenized, so corporate controlled, I have come to think that half of what I hear on my radio is produced on Orwell’s versificator.
“Music is the healing force of the universe”
In its most basic form, music has possessed a special power to not only heal, but to influence society. I have been involved with music and it’s makers for over 30 years, as an amateur performer and as a fan, and 18+ years as a programmer (monthly gig as a program producer/dj/engineer) on KGNU.
There is great music being made all over the world, you will not find it on commercial/corporate radio. That void is being filled, and alternative music being brought to those who are attentive by community radio stations such as KGNU, WWOZ, KUVO and many others.
I am proud to be involved, and would welcome your input in the Jazz Jam. Turn us all on to new music and musicians and I promise you, I will play them.
Support Live Music, support local music, it’s alive and well outside the mainstream.
Pace
I am a NY-centric musician. I buy few CDs, mostly because I am awash with great music played live. In my work, and available in my city 7 days a week as well.
So instead of recommending specific CDs. I will instead mostly recommend specific players and groups. Any time you see ANY of these names on a CD…there is some righteous music to be heard. Maybe not on ALL tracks…but it’s there.
I’ll start with big band and more complicated ensembles…the ESSENCE of the music in its most complete form:
The Vanguard Orchestra.
The Chico O’Farrill Afro-Cuban Jazz Orchestra.
The Mingus Big Band. Check out the track “Don’t Be Afraid, The Clown’s Afraid Too” on the “Mingus Big Band 93: Nostalgia in Times Square ” CD. Also “Strange Nightmare” on the same CD. Masterpieces. Better than Mingus’s versions. Further in AND further out. The band has deteriorated a little since then…but it’s still burning.
The Mike Longo New York State of Mind Jazz Orchestra.
Anything everwritten by Jim McNeely or Bob Brookmeyer.
The Smithsonian Jazz Masterworks Orchestra…a jazz repertory band that does it RIGHT.
The ongoing Count Basie Orchestra. Still swinging its ASS of after all these years.
The Giants of Latin Jazz and the Big Three…two latin jazz big bands that are continuing the Tito Puente/Machito/Tito Rodriquez tradition on a very high and authentic level.
The Maria Schneider Band. A legitimate inheritor of the Gil Evans tradition.
The various Dave Holland and Kenny Wheeler ensembles.
Anything written by Marty Sheller.
Anything written or led by Carla Bley.
There are more…but that’s the cream of the crop as far as I’m concerned.
Next time…individual players…as sidemen AND as leaders.
Later…
AG
In the summer I like to trek up to the Montreal Jazz Festival. I don’t usually go to any of the shows at the clubs. But I love to just hang around and see the free bands that play on the street stages, along with the guys that will just do the street busker thing as well.
I don’t know many “names” of bands or songs… But I still enjoy the music.
THANK YOU! Musicians make the world swing ’round. Your list in the post above is duly noted. I am familiar with a few on the list and will pursue the rest.
Tupac? Biggie?
Out of curiousity, what are your thoughts on some of the contemporary NY jazzers such as William Parker, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, Susie Ibarra, Charles Gayle et al? Now there’s a few jazzers who jump out at me as ones who do indeed spread some positive vibes and take risks with their music.
Too long an answer for now…gotta go to work.
Short version…
“Tonality is a natural force. Like gravity. Ignore it at your own risk.” Paul Hindemith.(A paraphrase…no time to look it up.)
I was quite active in the Lower east Side free music scene while I was in in my ’20s. It no longer much interests me, except for use to season more…tonal dishes.
So it goes.
Different strokes…
Bird was the “freeest” musician that I have ever heard.
Free within the limitations of the immutable laws of the universe.
Each to his own.
AG
Jazz is truly a big tent as musical forms go. 🙂
I suspect much of my tastes come from my background: I was a fan of the old punk & hardcore explosions of the 1970s and early 1980s and also a fan of 1970s & 1980s industrial music – if I’m in a nostalgic enough mood you have a good idea of what’s going to be on the turntable or cd player. Throw in Sonic Youth, The Boredoms, and maybe early Kraftwerk and it’s probably no surprise that I’m going to be down with a lot of what I guess is atonal music. The stuff that got my attention was early 70s Miles and those first few albums Ornette Coleman put out – definitely jazz that open-minded punks would appreciate. It was the stuff that I could imagine cats like Black Flag and The Minutemen listening to for inspiration.
As a fan I’ve been working both forward and backward from the 1960s-1970s: forward as far as the avant-guard revival of the 1990s to the present is concerned and backwards into bebop, cool jazz, and so forth from the 40s & 50s. The cool thing is that there’s always something else to be discovered – including a lot of young talent.
It also helped that I have a sister who’s a professional-quality jazz/funk drummer to steer me into the jazz world, and a dad who kept reminding me of the lasting value to be found in the work of such cats as Dizzy Gillespie, Gene Krupa, Gerry Mulligan and so on back when I was probably way too young to understand what he was getting at.
So let’s just say that as a nonmusician fan, I feel fortunate when I run into cats who know what’s goin on, and so I’ll keep on checking into what you and Knoxville Progressive have to say for as long as you’re willing to say it.
Peace and love.
There is much food for thought here, AG. I realized in reading that my appreciation of jazz has grown over the years in connection with what I hope is my growth as a person.
More years ago than I care to remember, a date who was more impressed with me than I with him, poor soul, took me to hear Thelonious Monk. And I, dreary proper little stick-in-the-mud as I was then, didn’t get it. Oh, I thought it was, um, interesting, but I didn’t GET jazz.
I’ve gotten better at it over the years. I realize now after reading your diary, it’s pretty much parallel to my increasing liberalism/progressivism. Some people get more conservative as they get older. Always the contrarian, I’m doing it the other way. (And, yes, I’ve been to the Village Vanguard.)
My local PBS stations play a lot of jazz, but it’s the Lincoln Center-sanitized programs type and they program it in great, dreary blocs instead of interspersing it among other types. My really local station plays lots more jazz, and it tends to be much more free-form and imaginative. And they’ve also been raising money for WWOZ, which was flooded out in NO but is now broadcasting again, they say.
As for the chemically-zombified who sit through a Brittney Spears “concert” while waiting for “the next load of bad food,” we are what we eat, and it’s important for our survival as a people and as a nation to regain control of our food supply and drive out the chemical poisoners. But that’s a rant for another day.
Arthur, many thanks for your insightful post. I could write a book in response; here are just some initial thoughts, for what they’re worth.
One of the things that make being a lover (listerner and/or player) of this music so discouraging, at least for those not fortunate enough to live in NYC, maybe Philadelphia and Chicago and a few other places, is the vaguely necrophiliac character of it all. It isn’t just that the visible scene — the scene visible to most of us (those of us who are looking at all) — is dominated by Wyntonism (which is institutionalized necrophilia). If we’re interested, we can subscribe to magazines and such that will clue us in to living players, young players, innovative players — at least those who have recording contracts. We can get on the web and hear broadcasts beamed in from far away. All of these things are great. But. The music is not something we experience as going on around us, in our neighborhoods — as something present.
When a music ceases to be a part of the life of a community, it becomes a museum piece. Museum pieces are wonderful in their own way, but they are not alive.
When I lived in North Carolina, I found myself in the middle of a vital bluegrass community. You didn’t have to seek out opportunities to be exposed to and discuss this music; not being aware of bluegrass would’ve taken some effort. Though sax is/was my main instrument, I kept a guitar out to sound out chords, and it seemed that whenever anybody came over (workmen, colleagues, neighbors, etc.), it would start a conversation; they’d be players themselves, or at least people who devoted significant parts of their lives to that music — studying it, learning about the different masters, and especially going to the local jams and keeping up with all the local players. Now, bluegrass will never be music I love, but I found this great. That music was an integral part of people’s lives, and they were damned serious about it. Few if any players entertained any thoughts of, say, getting a recording contract and hitting the “big time”. It was sheer, selfless love of the music that drove them. (Of course I’m generalizing, but I’m trying to sketch the overall picture.)
I’ve lived in places (such as where I live now) where jazz was as good as nonexistent. I’ve lived in places where it could be found, rather in the way that one finds a small, isolated used bookstore full of treasures, to which one keeps returning. Only in NYC have I had this experience of the music’s being all around me, saturating the community. (I knew I was in some sense at home when the cable guy noticed that among the few things I’d unpacked were my CD player and a Charlie Parker set and we got into a nice conversation about Bird.) That time of my life was, alas, all too brief.
I’m not sure where I’m going with this except to say that it’s of course great to hear about what’s happening in the City, especially what’s happening under the DownBeat (etc.) radar, and I look forward to doing so, but.. the spatial difference separating most of us from that world is in a certain sense no different from the temporal distance separating us from the artists whose reissues and newly-discovered recordings (Monk/Trane, yeh!) we feast on. It’s all broadcasts from another world: a world we can glimpse, but not touch, whose atmosphere we can be aware of and be thankful for, but not breathe. That is what needs to be overcome. How? Maybe we could learn from the folk music folks. Find a cheap space, seek out those people (kids especially) who are sitting at home passionately jamming to Jamey Aebersold records, maybe even pick up or dust off instruments ourselves and just play, without worrying about how much better they do it in New York?
I don’t think I’m disagreeing with you here, just building on what you wrote. Thanks again for your great post. I look forward to anything you or anyone else has to say about this.