While the House wastes its and the American people’s time, let’s go deeper. Here’s some news that’s fit to print:
The best op-eds today are not so much about last night’s embarrassing shouting and parliamentary trickery in the House (WaPo and NYT), but about the deeper issues behind Bush’s maniacal rush into the Iraq war, the administration’s countless lies and manipulation of both intelligence and the CIA, and Bush’s utter incompetence in administering a war.
Today’s best include “White House plays chicken with a war hero,” written by the Boston Globe‘s Derrick Z. Jackson and Prof. Juan Cole’s “Straw Man Resolution in Congress: Joking around with the Lives of the Troops,” posted at his blog.
And tomorrow’s WaPo carries a must-read op-ed by former Florida senator Bob Graham who was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence “during the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, and the run-up to the Iraq war.”
The president’s attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace — that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.
The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.
Below, some of the meatiest sections of these important writings:
Congress was lied to and boxed in by Bush. From Derrick Jackson’s column:
In a 2002 press briefing, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz termed the support of politicians like Murtha for the Pentagon as ”wonderful.” In the 2004 vice presidential debate, incumbent Dick Cheney said, ”One of my strongest allies in Congress when I was secretary of defense was Jack Murtha.”
For all those shows of patriotism, Murtha was skeptical about the rush to invade Iraq in 2003 of Iraq even though he voted to give President Bush the authorization to go to war. He publicly said Bush beat the war drums before building an international coalition. Murtha said he had not seen anything in intelligence reports that indicated an imminent threat. Murtha said Bush ”has put the country in such a box. He can say, ‘You’ll undercut me if you don’t vote for this resolution.’ “
Writes Bob Graham in tomorrow’s WaPo:
As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, and the run-up to the Iraq war, I probably had as much access to the intelligence on which the war was predicated as any other member of Congress.
I, too, presumed the president was being truthful — until a series of events undercut that confidence.
In February 2002, after a briefing on the status of the war in Afghanistan, the commanding officer, Gen. Tommy Franks, told me the war was being compromised as specialized personnel and equipment were being shifted from Afghanistan to prepare for the war in Iraq — a war more than a year away. Even at this early date, the White House was signaling that the threat posed by Saddam Hussein was of such urgency that it had priority over the crushing of al Qaeda. …
Graham then describes his concerted efforts to learn more about the reliability of our intelligence and to obtain reports from the CIA.
Graham was shocked to discover that, inside Iraq, the U.S. had no “operative responsible to the United States” and that “[m]ost of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.”
This is just stunning. I’m reading Bob Baer’s book and he describes in detail how he was trained to go to other countries and develop reliable agents. The U.S. had NO OPERATIVE in Iraq? That’s Intelligence 101!
In “What I Knew Before the Invasion,” Graham urges:
The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.” It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version. Its conclusions, such as “If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year,” underscored the White House’s claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq.
From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.
On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not.
The writer is a former Democratic senator from Florida. He is currently a fellow at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics.
Juan Cole analyzes Murtha’s proposal compared to the fraudulent rseolution brought to the House last night by the GOP, and concludes:
Well, this stupid resolution is not what Murtha was saying, and the vote on it is meaningless. It is worse than meaningless. It is political clowning.
Indeed, given the GIs being blown up on a daily basis, the Republican phony resolution was the equivalent of trying to do a stand-up comedy routine at the funeral of someone’s beloved son who had died at age 20.
I don’t think the American people will find it amusing. We’ll see in 2006 whether they did.
“I don’t think the American people will find it amusing. We’ll see in 2006 whether they did.”
I hope so.
Last night was an embarrassment. We need to keep going back to what the experts — such as Sen. Bob Graham and Rep. John Murtha — saw early on as the administration did its sales job on the American people and an easily duped media.
Let’s make sure that in 2006, the American people know all about the lies they were told, and that stunts don’t dominate the news.
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Tim Russert’s main guest tomorrow on NBC’s Meet the Press (local air times) is Rep John Murtha (D-Pa), the ranking member, Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense. (All other guests are experts on avian flu.) (MTP Podcast)
I have a question… if Graham knew this and voted no, was he not able to tell his colleagues the same thing? If he did and they still voted for the war then all of them are just as bad as Republicans… yes that means you Kerry and Clinton. If not, why not? Wouldn’t that be tantamount to giving aid and comfort to the enemy (the real enemy, al Qaeda) by allowing resources to be diverted based on intelligence he knew to be false?
The game of flattering liberals seems more natural to the Agency even than the game of overseas propaganda. At least in misleading Americans it has been successful, largely because its disinformation activities here, as opposed to there, are protected by the local laws.
(I use the term “Agency” loosely, since so many black ops have a second or third or fourth organizational dodge.)
Bob Graham has to take some blame for the absence of oversight, for accepting as a given the necessity of a massive secret security operation which to be effective had to be shielded from oversight. He should know enough about what happens even in the relative daylight of open sessions of Congress.
Similarly, Bob Baer’s definition of “nothing” has to be taken with a grain of salt. Much as he is to be applauded for his service to the country, he did not necessarily see the big picture or get a full briefing on all the little details. Either way, “humint” hardly stays within the common sense definition of “intelligence.” It gets pretty athletic, and Baer is a jock.
Your personal opinions about Baer aside, do you agree that it was astounding that we had no intel leadership inside Iraq and relied entirely on dissidents?
(That was the exclusive context in which I referred to him. I can’t speak to your other points because I haven’t finished reading his book.)
As a matter of policy, I believe, he would not have been given a complete view.
As far as I could tell, we were free to crack the whip over a team of inspectors who roamed the country with impunity searching for weapons of mass destruction. We only had to demand. As well, we had diverse lines into there through the Kurds, Bob Baer being our best, I’d guess — but then he’s my only authority on it.
Whether there was more than that, we can’t tell, and neither can Bob Baer. The tree of consequences suggests that the Agency would encourage such a criticism even if it were untrue.
The kind of assets that Baer wishes we had were the kind that Saddam himself understood far too well, had learned about from the same masters, and sprayed for often. He tortured confessions out of far more of our agents than ever existed, I’ll bet.
I’m reading Charlie Wilson’s War in a bad mood about the heroic treatment that that thug Avrakotos gets – no mention of what really happened to Greece under his watch, the torture of thousands who suggested that Greece might do better than military dictatorship. What Z left to the terrified imagination.
It isn’t intelligence that Anglo-style humint gets you. It’s lawless brutality.
Okay. I don’t know anything — yet — about what Baer did in the Middle East. I haven’t read that far.
BooMan may want to talk to you about Charlie Wilson’s War. It’s a book he likes very much, as does Larry Johnson. It’s on my “wish list.”
I’m reading Charlie Wilson’s War on Booman’s published recommendation, as I read Baer’s book on the strength of his excellent precis.
Also, I don’t mean to suggest that Baer is anything but tame, bordering on civilized, by the historical standards of the Directorate of Operations. He does seem to have been wrongly accused of fitting the pattern, and he does not deserve the stigma.
I just think his plaint is misguided. The problem isn’t the absence of assets. It’s the absence on controls which makes the ownership of assets a fond delusion.
I remember reports saying that we did have informants of some sort. At least that’s the rationale given early on for the air strikes that killed civilians but were always claimed to have been based on intel of the regime’s location. I also remember reading about another country’s excellent inside work but that it was ignored or exploited. I’ll look that up. Also, I recall the information being available to Congress in two versions and that it was supplied last minute and had severe restrictions on where/when it could be viewed. It was also last minute before elections(?) and the pressure mas magnified to seek ‘unity’…..bastards
I agree with all you posted except the embarrassment part. I think it’s good to see the real, raw emotion instead of a sugar coated pretense of esteem.
I really don’t understand what the GOP thought they were doing yesterday or what they were trying to accomplish. Either I’m totally wrong in my estimation of the political situation or they are. It defies rational analysis.
My rational analysis at any rate.
Somehow those nitwits thought they’d be able to box Democrats into a corner on this one. They’d make Democrats vote for immediate withdrawl in which case they could hammer them as cowards or they’d make Democrats vote in favor staying in Iraq in which case they’d hammer them as being in favor of the war if they ever opened their mouths against it or they thought they’d divide the Democrats into each of those camps thereby weakening them and hammering both sides.
They are idiots.
What they did was allow us a platform to hammer away at them for hours on end for their political knavery and conniving, their dishonesty and their trickery. They were already losing the argument and then…
… they let Jean Schmidt on the floor.
Oops.
From then on it was a Jack Murtha and the veterans love fest. The Republicans lack adult leadership. They thought they could pull the patriotism card and everyone would fall in line. They gave no credit to the ability of Democrats or the American people to think a little deeper than that and it cost them.
They exposed themselves last night.
They exposed themselves last night.
I hesitate to agree with you because I do agree with you.
This isn’t meant as snark but rather the success rate of Rove, and I think I can say this is pure Rove, with ad hominem over the past decades has been fairly high. I don’t want to discount that.
I also don’t want to believe Rove will always be successful. If he is then we might as well hang it up.
The GOP is engaged in a complete attack on truth as a foundation for governance.
How is that a winning strategy?
There is always a waveform of fact-checking and disputation and benefit of the doubt between the truth and the public recognition of the truth.
The GOP hopes to surf forever inside that temporary suspension of reality.
What they are willing to do by way of violence must be measured by this capacity for complete denial.
Don’t relax. Don’t celebrate.
The Republican House leadership was trying to shut Murtha and his allies up. They were trying to keep any criticism of the war painted with the label “traitor.” They were trying to keep any analysis of the war from happening, and have the war remain a matter of “Support Our Troops–Support Our Commander In Chief!”
It didn’t work. The terms of the debate are fundementally changed now, the ground shifts beneath our feet.
I would say we don’t. As of 10:38 MST, 11/19/2005.
We certainly hope it didn’t work but we don’t know it didn’t work. At some point it won’t work but is this the point?
We don’t know.
I’ve never bought the line about Rove’s “genius”. He’s just done basic textbook PR mixed with a sociopathic bully’s complete lack of ethical inhibitions. Add to that a bought and bullied media and (I believe) habitual use of blackmail and extortion, and you have a powerful force, but not the mythical juggernaut that the “news” likes to portray.
To me, the mystery is not the evil brilliance of the Bushies, but how it is that the Dems and “mainstream” media have rolled over like beaten doggies and let themselves be buggered to death. We know they’re smarter than this, we know that on most issues the polling is on their side, so what the hell’s wrong with them? Why did the allegedly best and brightest Dems humiliate themselves by pretending to buy into some of the most childish, irrational, laughable bullshit this country has ever seen? It seems like a question of will to win, but, again, why would they lack one?
That’s the priority question for us to figure out. Why did intelligent Dems throw away two presidential elections by letting idiots set the terms of “debate”? It ain’t about Rove or Bush or any of the dark side. It’s about our side. Find a way to get them functioning and the bad guys don’t stand a chance.
We just have to be wrong.
Anything they do to hold us in check is therefore justified.
You have such an interesting mind, and fascinating perspectives. Although I can’t recall about what, I haven’t always agreed with your comments, but every one of your comments is a “must-read.” Thank you for your thoughtful and knowledgeable contributions here.
for not keeping tabs on my mistakes.
C-posted at DKos.
Hunter,over at Orange Julius, has an very good story up re: the change in attitudes of the “press” and public perceptions of the situation.
Recommended reading.
Peace
We’ll know how this played over the next week. I have hope this was the tipping point but until we get some polling numbers we can only speculate.
And on that, look for a movement outside the normal +/- 3% margin of error. If GOP approval goes up then it worked. If Dem approval goes up or stays the same and GOP numbers go down then it backfired, badly. If no change then it didn’t resonate. The GOP wants the first to happen. We’ll see.
I really agree with what Hunter wrote.
While I think we have a LONG way to go and I’m disappointed with some of the Democrat’s response, I think the conversation created by the media is definitely changing.
The only thing I would add to what Hunter wrote is that this administration’s disastrous response to Katrina also contributed strongly to the distrust that is currently being expressed by the media and the public.
Survey USA’s latest 50 state tracking poll and click on the individual state tracking links I think you can see that play out. There are numerous states that show a marked and lasting change following Katrina. It’s not just Katrina, Iraq was going down the tubes in an obvious fashion and the buildup to indictments was going on and… well the list goes on and on and on… but Katrine… no… feeble FEMA… was the last straw.
Check out the state by state tracking and see how many flipped or widened their disapproving gaps in August and September.
The Republicans are done for. We just need to keep hammering the nails in their coffin until the elections are over.
Thanks, Dada. I’ll read Hunter’s piece. He’s a very thoughtful writer.
I have to say Hunter has outdid himself with this diary! He has touched on so many issues that he is definitely on spot! Fineman’s statement this whole bru ha ha was on point. I saw that and thought what is being address today was something of a new thing for him.
The time is now to start the rhetoric of getting out. One way or the other, it is now that the time has come! oh, BTW, when that congresswoman said what she said is what took the republicans to the darkest and deepest end of this earth! She spoke for republican no only in her state but everywhere and she embarrassed many with her mouth! You do not come right out and say what she said. Kerry was right when he said you can get by with swift-boating on Murtha! it wont fly this time! Anyhow the fat lady better get ready for her final and most important song of a lifetime, she will finally get her right to sing! The republicans have but the last chip in this poker game and their bluff wont fly!
Fritz is pulling all his strings together and get a final draft as to what happened on only on 911 but before and after this and I am tellin you, he is going drop a bomb all of his own and this WH is running scared, big time…not even the master turd of all can change the tide that is coming in to devastate not only America, but the whole world with his findings! Remember what his commission in Illinois was and continues to investigate. It will all be brought together and we will finally know the rest of the story!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your diary, Susan. I think we are at a very substantial turning point from last week and most of all last night when the republicans finally and collectively show their colors together and not just one at a time.
I began to see a veterans reunion occur, but that changed when t he republicans said the most radical of capitulation ever in our history! If America as a whole does not wake up now, I agree, all is surely lost! I think we are finally awakening to see the total damage in what has been done to us. I am just waiting for the final whistleblowing from the powers that be that know the truth is and then it will finally be over, once and or all!
try to tear Murtha down with some of his stupid “let’s take a look at what you said” bullshit. This in sharp contrast to the way he treats Bush lackeys. When Tim has Rumsfeld on he wears an old suit so he doesn’t mind getting the knees dirty.
A good summation of why I’m being cautious.
If the talking head “journalists” would use their brains for something other than keeping their ears apart and head from imploding I’d be more optimistic.
Follow the money.
Until the owners of the MSM sees a danger to their bottom line they have every reason to support the Bushies as the Bushies have been very supportive of the owners of the MSM in their move towards media monopolization. The owners don’t have to buy “journalists” they just have to find “journalists” already pre-disposed to blather the propaganda the owners want to peddle.
There are very few real journalists today! The remainder are a bunch of whores–sell themselves to the highest bidder!
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In February 2002, after a briefing on the status of the war in Afghanistan, the commanding officer Gen. Tommy Franks, told me the war was being compromised, as specialized personnel and equipment were being shifted from Afghanistan to prepare for the war in Iraq — a war more than a year away.
Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries [place a bet third countries are U.K. and Israel – Oui], all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.
The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs“. It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version.
Its conclusions, such as “If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year,” underscored the White House’s claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq.
Process yellow cake to nuclear fissile material.
From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.
On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not.
The writer is a former Democratic senator from Florida. He is currently a fellow at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics.
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