[From the diaries by susanhu. Essential information. We can’t assume today’s GOP will be any less clever than Nixon was with the games he played to win elections. We must be on alert.]
For six months I’ve been getting derisive hoots for saying that Democratic hesitance over being considered “weak on defense” is stoking my personal fear that it will be Bush and the GOP who benefit in the 2006 election cycle because of a withdrawal from Iraq. Now, Jonathan Rauch at the National Journal (hidden behind a subscription firewall) notes that Every Way But Militarily, The Pullout From Iraq Has Begun. Excerpts:
Nixon recognized that without U.S. military support, the government of South Vietnam would fall to the Communist insurgency, and he believed that a fall would represent a humiliating and costly defeat. “But Nixon realized that his approval ratings would slip fast unless he made progress in bringing the boys home,” writes Stanley Karnow in Vietnam: A History. American officials searching for a “breaking point” in Vietnam had found one, but what had broken was not the insurgency. It was U.S. public opinion: Americans no longer believed the war was worth it.
President Bush may not know it yet — or, then again, he may — but in Iraq he is about to do a Nixon. Psychologically and politically, the withdrawal phase has already begun. Militarily, the pullback will start within weeks or, at most, months after the December 15 Iraqi parliamentary elections.
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And so, any day now, the president’s political advisers will go to him and say something like this:
continued below:
“Mr. President, if U.S. forces are not clearly on their way out of Iraq by about June 30, we will face a bloodbath in the midterm elections, and the Republicans will lose the House or the Senate or both. On the other hand, if U.S. forces are coming home, you will have cut the legs out from under the Democrats. They will have no choice but to support your drawdown or call for an even faster one. Either way, they would be in no position to blame you for any subsequent setbacks over there. Right now, you have nothing to say on Iraq that makes sense to the public. Once the troops start coming home, it will be the other side that has nothing to say.”
Which will Bush choose? If political reality alone does not sway him, he will reflect that maintaining a massive Iraq deployment in the face of public hostility is unsustainable and ultimately counterproductive, setting up conditions for a Vietnam-style collapse and a backlash against Bush’s democracy agenda.
So by spring, if not earlier, Bush will announce that progress in Iraq allows U.S. forces to start coming home. He will say that an American drawdown is the best way to help the Iraqis stand on their own. He will argue, much as he did with his tax cuts, that whatever pace he sets is precisely the right pace, and that withdrawing any faster or slower would be the height of irresponsibility. He may also say that withdrawing is “not a formula for getting out of [the region], but one that provided the only sound basis for America’s staying in and continuing to play a responsible role.”
Those were the words of Richard Nixon, who, somewhere, is wanly smiling.
OK, maybe not. Bush (and Cheney) are stubborn men, as was on full display in the President’s “victory” speech.
But, if a reversal of policy does occur, isn’t getting out what matters? And isn’t worrying about whether a GOP-initiated withdrawal boosts the Republican party’s chances in November just a little too pragmatically calculating, or to say it shorter, amoral?
Let me answer my own question “yes” as well as mea culpa. If the hegemonists who got us into Iraq are ultimately the ones who get us out, wishing they hadn’t for reasons of electoral political advantage is, well, depraved. There is, of course, the matter of what this would mean in the longer term for America’s foreign policy, for preventive war and the “new American century.” That, however, is another discussion. Out of Iraq, a no-dawdling, phased withdrawal, say, would be a good thing, no matter who does it, even if a few Republicans salvage what would otherwise have been disasters at the polls next November.
Let me add that the distance a certain mixed coterie of elected Democrats have put between themselves and John Murtha over the past week – which some of them and some folks in www.Land seem to see as wisely pragmatic – makes them, in my humble opinion, pukes who may actually cost the party dearly 11 months from now. Weaseliness on matters of grave import does not make for stunning talking points on the campaign trail.
I’m not trying to reprise the hoary matter of who voted how back in October 2002. I’ve made enough serious mistakes in my life to unhesitatingly give those who said “aye” to the war resolution the benefit of the doubt even though they angered me then. What I’m talking about is how they’re behaving right. this. minute.
I’m also not referring to those elected Democrats – yes, I think there are some – who truly deeply passionately believe that staying in Iraq for the long haul (although with a different approach) is the honorable thing to do, and would stick with that stance even if they knew it would cost them votes. I disagree wholeheartedly, but I understand and can respect their point of view.
What I’m talking about are those who figure that their best move for getting re-elected, the best move to keep anybody from calling them national defense “weaklings,” the best way for Democrats not to be called the “cut and run” party in the next election cycle is to avoid expressing anything close to Murtha’s position, much less Russ Feingold’s. To, instead, weave and dodge, while Iraqis and American Marines get blown up every day and hatred for the occupation worsens our long-term security and strengthens both the propaganda and battlefield experience of extremist thugs with a global agenda.
Don’t get me wrong. I want our junta overlords out of power. I want to see as many of them indicted, impeached and imprisoned as possible. And, even though I know all-too-well the limitations of electoral politics and of a coalition party in a two-party system, I want – desperately – to see a congressional Democratic majority in 2006, a Democrat in the White House in ’08, the chance to appoint some counterweights to Scalia, Roberts and Thomas, a change in direction of just about every Administration policy over the past five years.
On the other hand, these Dems whose cagey calculations on Iraq to save their own skins make me wish that asbestos were available in stationery form so I could relate to them just how much I despise their conscienceless machinations without setting my printer alight. And to let them know that, come next November, if their hemming and hawing proves to have the opposite effect among independent voters as they now imagine it will, I’ll have less than zero sympathy for them even as I bemoan what could have been.
While many people have derided Bush’s recent speech as just the same old, same old, it actually has some important goals:
We’re keep “standing fast,” while walking backwards right out of Iraq.
Same as military recruitment:
Walking backwards with smokescreens and mirrors? Oh Joy there are the election results of December 15th? Some troops (who were already scheduled to leave) will be pulled out with great fanfare? Missing from the reporting will be those under Stop Loss orders. Also missing from the reporting will be those redeployed into Iraq? I’ve noticed a Denver TV channel that reports every homecoming of every unit, but few reports of those leaving. To be fair there’s another station that does report deployments on a fairly regular basis.
What does happen if the Iraqi People Speak–all 82% of them– and demand that the U.S. leave? The Prez’dint will thus have cover to pull the troops out; or, will we have “vietnamization” in which we are left supporting an unpopular government of questionable provenance? Will we, as we were in Viet Nam, be supporting a government which is more entangled in crime families and multinational corporate interests than in representing the Iraqi people?
The man in the Oval Office who couldn’t remember a single mistake he’d made in four years doesn’t seem a likely candidate to admit any now. But, he’ll certainly take all the credit for the installation of a ‘democratically elected’ Iraqi government–once installed does that mean that we have to support it and its Chalabi constituents?
Bush Did Not Mention Attacks in Rose Garden Appearance
the economy is strong and the outlook “as bright as it’s been in a long time.”
Then how come so many people are unemployed w/no prospects for the future?
Is that idiot still drunk or what?
Dry Drunk. The alcohol is gone but the delusions are stronger than ever, especially the relatively new ones about being “divinely inspired”.
In a functioning and responsible democracy, this guy would’ve been declared mentally incompetent a very long time ago.
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Joe Lieberman—
WASHINGTON — Joe Lieberman stood virtually alone among Democrats Wednesday, his unyielding support for the administration’s conduct of the Iraq war drawing warm praise from President Bush but no support from his own party.
Then President Bush cited Lieberman at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.: “As Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman said recently, setting an artificial timetable would discourage our troops because it seems to be heading for the door. It will encourage the terrorists. It will confuse the Iraqi people. Sen. Lieberman is right.”
Hillary Clinton —
Before I voted in 2002, the Administration publicly and privately assured me that they intended to use their authority to build international support in order to get the U.N. weapons inspectors back into Iraq, as articulated by the President in his Cincinnati speech on October 7th, 2002. As I said in my October 2002 floor statement, I took “the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a U.N. resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.”
Instead, the Bush Administration short-circuited the U.N. inspectors – the last line of defense against the possibility that our intelligence was false. The Administration also abandoned securing a larger international coalition, alienating many of those who had joined us in Afghanistan.
I believe the Americans do want a clean-up of the oldies in Washington D.C. for the midterm elections and definitely in Election 2008. Democrats need to look for an outsider to overhaul the White House and most corporate interests, but certainly the religious transgression into our politics. If you don’t want political beliefs preached from the pulpit, don’t take the White House into the churches.
Democrats Lack Unified Position on Iraq
Dems’ Template for Success: Follow Jack Murtha… and George Washington
It’s the first year that every class of midshipmen at this academy arrived after the attacks of September the 11th, 2001. Each of you have volunteered to wear our nation’s uniform in a time of war, knowing all the risks and dangers that accompany military service.
Our citizens are grateful for your devotion of duty. And America’s proud of the men and women at the U.S. Naval Academy.
I thank Admiral Rempt for his invitation to come and give this speech. I appreciate Admiral Mike Mullen. I’m traveling today with a man who’s done a fine job as the secretary of defense, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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Doesn’t matter how “clever” we are if the corporatocracy has Diebold paperless voting technology in place to sabotage the election process.
Of making significant reductions in troop strength in Iraq. He has no more elections to worry about, and frankly I don’t think he cares in the slightest about whether the Dems control Congress 13 months from now. Partly I think that because I don’t believe he’s capable of thinking that far in advance, but I also think he actually believes that the Lord has made him His instrument on earth to remake the Middle East, and that whichever party controls Congress doesn’t matter as long as he’s still President. Hell, Nixon may have realized he needed to start bringing troops home, but that didn’t stop him from commencing a secret bombing campaign against Vietnamese Communist sanctuaries in Cambodia and overthrowing Prince Sihanouk (sp?) in early 1969, and then invading Cambodia a year later. Then in 1971 he sent the South Vietnamese on an invasion of Laos, upsetting the fragile balance of power Kennedy had negotiated in the early 1960s (the invasion was a disaster for the Saigon army, BTW). He may have been drawing down the number of our troops, but he actually escalated the war, expanding it to two other countries, and stepping up the use of American air power.
When Bush says he will settle for nothing less than “complete victory,” I believe him insofar as he will keep prosecuting the war as long as he has the power to do so. Watching the Army-Navy game today only reinforced that feeling, everything from the commercials to the sideline interviews seemed a conscious attempt to inculcate a militaristic attitude in anyone who might be viewing the game, especially the promos for that new CBS program “The Unit,” which appears to be about some kind of super-secret death squad. What I think is that this war is still in its opening stages, and the next few years are going to see it intensify in terms of effort and expand in terms of the arenas in which it is fought.
I agree. I don’t see Bush making logical political calculations based on the 2006 election prospects and the realpolitik of the war. He’s in LaLa Land.
Rove might, but hopefully Rove will soon be out of the picture.
Cheney is too evil and stubborn to admit error. Hubris thy name is Cheney.
The credit that MB is directing to Nixon may in part be due to Kissinger, who was much more willing to deal with reality as it was and make the best of it by being clever than the current crowd in the Administration is capable of.
They won’t “get it” until AFTER the 2006 election is my expectation, although I agree with MB that we are at a risk and need to play things a lot more adroitly than we’re seeing from the leading Democrats to date.
Although you’re both right in that he is so goddamned stubborn, I think that the Repukes are going to be the “party of withdrawal” for the midterms and the dems are going to be left holding their wankers as usual.
…since the U.S. has been running a war, preparing to run one or running someone else’s by remote control every day that I’ve been alive on this earth.
On the other hand, staying or expanding the course runs into the fact that Old Tricky was a knife; Bush is a mallet. Because of it, if Bush doesn’t “produce results” soon, he’s going to learn a lesson he’s not learned yet: when you’re at the top, you have to be competent and surround yourself with people who are and watch them closely. A trickle of Republicans are against him; Murtha has caused huge damage because he does talk to generals, and they tell him give them more troops, or redeploy them.
Whether Murtha’s move was meticulously and cooperatively timed or just him finally saying publicly that he was fed up with the bullshit, it couldn’t have been better done. Few Americans are in the out now camp – 16%, said on poll – but there’s a lot higher percentage rumbling about timetables. Congresspersons home on holiday adjournment are about ready to get an earful.
Yes, I believe Bush will, if he can, spread the war. But only if he can stand the screaming at home, which means screaming from constituents about a “victory” speech that nobody – even the Kristolites – seemed to have thought too favorably about. Bush is vulnerable. True, he’s obstinate. But he’s also a proven coward and would, I think, walk away from his current job if the going got too tough, just as he always has in the past.
However, if Rove is the President’s brain, Cheney is his backbone. Rove is distracted and beset by multiple events he suddenly can’t get pushed aside with some talking points distributed among the appropriate media spin puppets. Cheney without Libby and worried about other things, well, how strong is his own spine?
I’m not saying we’ll stop Bush. I say we have an opportunity, and I’d like to see elected Dems prove that those of us who have stuck with them through thick and thin would like some payback for our loyalty.
One inconsistency in your comparison btwn what Nixon did and what Bush might or might not do: Nixon didnt start the war in Vietnam, he inherited it when he was elected by a very small percentage (I recall smaller even than Bush v Kerry)largely as the result of his pledge to eliminate US troops from Vietnam during his presidency.
That it took 8 years to fully accomplish the pullout after Nixon resigned in disgrace may be a more fitting historical fact for speculating on what Bush/Republicans may or may not do next.
Great Post!
What scares me most about Bush are the people that say he hasn’t got enough cents to fill a bucket. While that may be true I still don’t like the idea of underestimating those in power.. whether they be Bush or the ones pulling his puppet strings.
I say.. over-estimate Bush and Co.. and flatten him with everything we’ve got. When the dust settles, then we can go back and forth about how smart he and his minions were.
You have said much that my spouse and I have discussed over the past several weeks, MB. My one caveat is what I see, like some others here, is the likely escalation of an air-based conflict coinciding with a removal of troops – particularly the national guard units. (Brings to mind old memories of Cambodia.)
It also seems likely that the military will continue their outsourcing of many functions currently handled by soldiers – clerical, transportation, support, etc. And men and women in those positions will be pressed into being “boots on the ground”, to the extent possible. How Bush will use the ground forces in the remainder of his term isn’t clear, but I do think he will operate as strongly as he can to declare some kind of “victory” defined in terms of a troop drawdown to assist Republican victories in 2006.
And of course, our infestation of lukewarm Democrats in the Congress & Senate, will assist this Republican resurgence.
…war or a wider war in the region is a possibility. Or since we don’t seem to have obliterated Fallujah quite satisfactorily, maybe Bush will do that again.
There are no guarantees. All we know is that the kind of success we can potentially achieve in Iraq after 33 months of idiocies, atrocities and tragedies is a success that will consign thousands more to death for no purpose other than to put off the day when we leave and whatever is going to happen in Iraq finally happens.
I sent an email to Senator Clinton saying that I’d never vote for her again for any office because of her refusal to stand up and say that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake. Yesterday I received a long email from her office, a part of which is excerpted below:
Is she saying it was a mistake? And if so, why can’t she put it in a simple declarative sentence?
If the DLC was an honest broker, they’d just nominate a tape recorder for president and program it to deliver a constant litany of their secondhand thoughts and equivocal strategies.
Clinton, like the rest of the DLC herd, is pathetic, a sure sign that there is more disaster to come.
Bush has a long history of cut and run and I don’t expect him to stop now. When he finally starts to feel the heat, he will spin on a dime and leave Iraq. He’ll say whatever he has to say because that’s what he does now.
But step back from the Iraq war and look at the larger picture. This is an administration which is failing in almost every way possible. This is no longer about winning in Iraq, or peace with honor. This is about saving our country. The Republicans have been running the country for the last five years and they’ve run it into the ground.
Nobody knows how to fix Iraq. The real question is, how many more disasters like Iraq do you want?
That’s what 2006 is about.
Cross commented on dkos.
I diaried on this very issue a few days ago and the gist of it is…troops are coming home in some number 30-60k so the Bushites can claim, it’s working to keep the House from going Dem in ’06. Don’t Discount this..it could well happen.
Now, what should the Dems do? Here are some suggestions:
4)If you feel let down by the current Administration, vote for us. If you’re tired of the double talk from their Washington, vote for us. If you’ve had enough of the cronyism and indictments, the ineptness and lack of leadership, vote for us.
I’m not saying the above is all that but I think it’s the right direction. And you?
I agree, but I lack the words to put the whole package together. Irony aside, this says it better than I do (look at the date):
Bush: ‘Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over’
2006 is not about who’s running the country, Bush is running the country, but we have to remove the rubber stamp from Congress. It’s about getting the brakes on an untrustworthy executive branch.
It’s about getting a functional balance restored to the government, to get a Congress that actual debates issues and can act to offset or stop these mistakes before they get started. That can investigate corruption and root it out. It’s about even having an honest debate in Congress over what is the best way to help Iraq. It’s about winning the war on terror, balancing the budget, reducing our dependence on oil, fixing health care. Very difficult problems to solve.
And if I hear one more time that 9/11 changed everything, well, as far as I can tell it didn’t CHANGE ENOUGH. We still have the same idiots in charge.
I have to echo the comments above by JJB and Knoxvilleprogressive in that I don’t see the Cheney gang withdrawing any significant number of troops or in any way jeopardizing the growth and spread of their insane war.
Similarly, though they might pay lip service to GOP partisan loyalty and unity and strategy, these concepts are really one-way avenues for them; they demand loyalty to themselves and their plan but refuse to be loyal in return to anyone not completely obedient to their demands, whether that person be a Repub, an Evangelical, or anyone else.
IMHO, Cheney and his neocons believe their strategy for perpetual war in the Middle East will continue on it’s own now that they’ve set the stage and established whatever network of operatives and propagandists and provocateurs might be needed to goose the thing along if it threatens to slow down, (witness for instance, Rice’s upcoming insult to Europe where she will deliver a “Hand’s off” and “Fuck you” tirade against European leaders for making a stink about the CIA abuse facilities). With this in mind, I believe they’ll not be worried too much about losing their congressional monopoly.
Added to this, I suspect their calculations also tell them that even if the Dems do manage to gain a majority in one or the other houses of congress, or even the WH itself, that this will position the Dems perfectly to be on the receiving end of the entire force of the wingnut slime machines attacks. The Dems will be blamed (cleverly and relentlessly), for every failure in the Middle East and the broader world. (Mind you, I’m not saying this is a reason not to support principled Dems or to try to take some measure of control in government, but rather that this is how I believe these lunatics envision their own positions and strategies.)
In one sense I can even consider that it’s possible on one level that it might even be better for the country and the world in the long run if the Repubs win the WH again and maintain a strong position in congress. This way, because much of the damage the Bush regime has already orchestrated for us will not manifest until after 2008, if the Repubs “win” they will establish “indisputable ownership of the full panoply of ctastrophes they’ve inflicted upon the country and the world, and as a resut their agenda will be so thoroughly repudiated in it’s entirety that it’ll be 50 years before they have legitimacy again.
Again, this is not schadenfreude, and I’m not arguing for partisan gain at the expense of the planet. I just think these monsters have to be nailed for their crimes in a way that destroys their access to the levers of power not just for one or two election cycles but rather more thoroughly, more completely.
I’d certainly prefer a coterie of strong and principled Democrats taking center stage and really setting about changing course in a meaningful positive way. But when I think of who those prominent Dems might be, I don’t even need all the fingers of one hand to count the ones I can identify who might have a chance to fulfill those roles..
“I just think these monsters have to be nailed for their crimes in a way that destroys their access to the levers of power not just for one or two election cycles but rather more thoroughly, more completely.”
AGREED!! However, rather than let them move the USA to an irrevocable third world country for centuries to come, I’d like to use our constitution to accomplish their access to power permanently.
Cheney and Rumsfeld and been laying these plans for 30+ years at the least. We collectively need to force OUR congress (at least according to the constitution) to impeach these two evil twins sooner than later. In other words they need to do their damn jobs.
IMHO we also need a special prosecutors office to supervise ongoing investigations, knocking down one neo con scheme at a time. Some, like Cheney/Rumsfeld then Bush, would be high profile. Others could be more low-keyed liked the Patrick Fitzgerald type so the country doesn’t burn out from scandal fatigue.
Impeach and convict should be our goals. Once convicted these people can NEVER again control the levers of power. It is time to make Congress understand there will be ZERO tolerance for their chronic vacillation. They have to see we are serious about putting Country before Party, and People above Politics.
from a bunch of opportunists?
They take the ball and run,they take all the resentments and run with them- from 1972 to now.
And as MB has said, so well,they are poised to DO IT AGAIN.
And when the shit comes down- there has to be someone to blame- and that will be – those damn libruls.
I cannot say how discouraging this is to me,who saw it all happen before,and now,older and wiser,see it happening again. This time,though,the infection is much more virulent,because of the fear-mongering and the very real fear of ‘the American way of life’ being threatened.
There are steps that people who are aware can take, to alleviate this madness,but I fear that there is not alot that can be done overall.
The Dem’s even now are cowed.
So maybe we should practise some cow-tipping?
Nixon was a crook and a liar. Kissinger was manipulative SOB. But, both were realists. They had to withdraw out of Vietnam to save the US Army.
Troop strength in Iraq has been creeping up to 150,000+ currently, not 130,000 reported in corporate media. To date there has never been a single draw down in troops no matter how often reported in corporate media after this or that turning point.
The “over the horizon” plan was a desperate call from the US Army for sanity and to save their asses. To paraphrase Juan Cole, the US has been manipulated into establishing a Shiite theocracy in the South, Kurdistan in the North, and fighting the Sunni insurgency everywhere else.
There are no realists left in the White House. The true believers and the neo-cons will fight the Sunni insurgency to the bitter end, destroying the US Army. The Democrats are too scared to do anything about it.
Only BushCo can declare victory and go home?
Doesn’t have the same ring to it, but I’m sure the Vulcans can make a proverb out of it somehow.
Major differences between the withdrawal from Viet Nam and the present situation in Iraq are both strategic and economic. Viet Nam was not near anything we regarded as in our sphere of influence, the Philippines and Australia are hundreds of sea miles away. Iraq shares its border with 4 countries we count on as allies and two ‘bad apples’ in Syria and Iran, and the proximity of Israel is another factor. Securing a long term source of oil also adds a dimension lacking in Southeast Asia. I’m afraid the bully boys have presented us with a fait accompli. The mess has been made and we can’t afford not to leave behind some semblance of ‘New World Order.’ We will need to increase the strength of our proxy force, the Iraqis, but American troops will probably be backing them up from out of sight bases for many years to come. Naked pragmatism drives most of the Democrats now. Call for a pullout and maybe watch the place go to hell with major implications for world security and our energy supply (the guys who pay you), all while the Republicans chant ‘cut and run’ and ‘soft on terror’, or take a chance on figuring out how to fix a really funked up situation that is getting people killed every day. Small comfort for us that a stand up guy like Jack Murtha comes along with a military and political pedigree which allows him to talk about the reality of the damage being done to our soldiers and by extension the people of Iraq.
There are alternatives to a “new world order” which would keep us tied down for generations.
I firmly believe American know how and ingenuity can and will rise to the challenge. We just need to overthrow, impeach and convict the current Administration to start moving rapidly forward.
IN the interim, we can actually see that Iraqi companies get the money they need to REALLY build their infrastructure and put their men to work. That simple plan will cut their unemployment by 2/3 and leave only a microcosm of the current insurrection.
These are all great ideas and I personally support them. Unfortunately we are stuck with the leadership that we have, both Republican and Democrat, and tied to the business interests as they are it ain’t gonna happen. Notice how since gas prices have fallen back there is no public ‘consensus’ to keep pressure on the petroleogarchy for changes in our energy policy. Oil is the linch pin of the whole situation. Alternative energy is great and should become more competitive and more available as the transnational energy corporations increase the price of fossil fuels, but the dealer is never gonna give you ability to make your own power source while they can keep their monopoly intact. (Check out the ideas in the California Legislature about charging a tax on hybrid cars to make up for the gas tax revenues lost because of increased fuel efficency.) Look for giant wind farms, huge banks of solar panels in deserts, capital intensive industrial tidal power stations, etc. They will always try to hold onto the choke points and control distribution to protect their market. Its like your cable TV, they want to get their hand in your wallet very month. Out here in Cali we’ve experienced the jobbing of the energy market first hand. Rolling blackouts in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, and it was all fake. Now it looks like the Northeast is next. Funny how it seems to happen in the more progressive states. Its almost like they planned it that way….. nah, the marketplace is like a force of nature… Off topic; this is also why pot is illegal, if they could grow it in their own back yards the self-medicators would, and the booze makers like Budweiser and Seagram’s would take a huge hit. Once enough folks are putting solar cells on their roofs to cut into profits they’ll become illegal or highly taxed. These guys are squeezing the lemon for every last drop! Greedy bastards!
Stanley Karnow in Vietnam: A History is a great book to read. He not only gives the history of the war, but the history of VN altogether. This is what the now ppl of todays history makers are forgetting to do with Iraq.
Now, I think it is yet again up to us, the PEOPLE, to do the work our elected congresscrittrs should be doing for us. Now since they aren’t, we have to change this equation. Lets get the democrats in both houses, if not the senate, then in the House so that we can pull back on the strings that are now controlling the way things are started and done. Once we do this, we can progress to a reality that is and should be in the making of our total being of this time in our history.
I could care less how bush does his thing. He is a nonperson in my book and the public is beginning to wake up and see it the same way. Not only us, but others have now realized the fact that we were lied to and on many occasions and that the lies continue is not a good thing for this administration…… They can distort, but they cant retort. IMHO the war is over. I do think they will try to make it look as if they are withdrawing close to the election of 06 to make Americans feel that they are doing something that they want done. But the air bombings that will occur afterwards will not be good and that the ppl in both countries and their neighbors will certainly become agitated with this in a NY second. We never could win in the ME and they should have known it all along. They wanted to start confusion and they did a great job at this but they didn’t care how many ppl we lost doing it…that was their downing IMHO. It is obvious they don’t care, so now we have to assure the country they didn’t or don’t care and see how they take that….
I wrote my districts congressman and asked, if I was not receiving my letter of apology for going to war, was because he lost my address….therefore, I am resending it to him to give me now….that was a pun, of course, so he would know I want an apology from him for his misdoings on his vote. Of course he didn’t send one out…but that was to make him wake up and realize that he needs to get behind his public and say he is sorry for his vote…..Oh well…enough from me on this today…MB, you have opened up an honest debate here…I saw the same article on buzzflash and read it too. NO bush will not do a nixon, he is not! God only knows what this irrational man will do with all his irk that is in his cabinet….but it will certainly not be a nixon, if they can help it…..;o), even tho it will be a nixon. Hugs…hope your family is doing well..Think of you often…