On this morning of the Iraqi elections I awoke with strange thoughts in the city of Brotherly Love. It was a weird amalgam of reflection on where I’ve been, where the country has been, and where we’re going. Where did we turn off the tracks? When did I become so political? Are we, here in the liberal blogosphere, riding a wave, are we about to help turn the tide? Or are we going to look back someday and see that we too lost our momentum and got sidetracked down a rathole? Some people are blessed with a gift for extraordinary foresight. On the morning of September 12th, 2001, Hunter S. Thompson foresaw what few of us were in any mood to comtemplate. And he foresaw it with dumbfounding clarity:
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It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy.
We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once.
This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed – for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now. He will declare a National Security Emergency and clamp down Hard on Everybody, no matter where they live or why.
He is in for a profoundly difficult job – armed as he is with no credible Military Intelligence, no witnesses and only the ghost of Bin Laden to blame for the tragedy.” -Sept. 12, 2001
Maybe we lost our way much earlier. Somehow we reached a place where a furtive series of blowjobs was enough make us lose our collective minds. Somehow extramarital fellatio became a powder keg that badly, and permanently, polarized our body politic. Even the attacks of 9/11 had limited power to unite us. The earliest sign that 9/11 would fail to repair the breach was the rise of the anti-war blogosphere. Contrary to the best efforts of the corporate media and the Democratic appeasors, there was never going to be unanimity for “a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides.” Anger and the thirst for retribution have limited half-lives, persisting longer in some minds than in others. On September 12th I was probably as angry as any Christian jihadist remains today. Hunter had a gift for taking the long view. He seems to have had this gift all his life.
The Sixties were marked by the assassinations of JFK, MLK and RFK. Each loss had a profound effect on our nation, and each loss served to roll back the crest of progressive legislation. Looking back now I see another set of factors that have moved us off the path of hope embodied in Bill Clinton’s election. There was the impeachment, there was the stolen election of 2000, and there was 9/11.
The impeachment radicalized me. It got me off my couch and into political activism. Others were radicalized by Florida 2000. Still others by the decision to invade Iraq. Whatever the spark, what we seem to all share is a profound sense that we are under attack. But, we also share the sense that we are finally fighting back. We are finally making a difference. We have weapons too, now.
As 2005 draws to a close we have a lot of victories to tout and a lot to be proud of. We drove Jeff Gannon out of the White House press room. We stopped Social Security reform cold. We won the governor’s races in New Jersey and Virginia. We forced the MSM to cover the Downing Street Minutes, we forced a recess appointment for John Bolton, we have kept the pressure on Plamegate, we saw Harriet Miers go down in flames. We are finally seeing momentum for a withdrawal from Iraq. And we have done much more. Prior to the emergence of the left-wing blogosphere many if not most of these achievements would not have been possible. And there is good reason to believe that our collective power is going to grow in 2006. Perhaps we can lead a revival of progressive politics in this country. Perhaps 2006 will be one long year of indictments and prosecutions of corrupt and venal Republican politicians. Or, perhaps, we have already crested. Perhaps we will look back one day and identify some moment where we reached our zenith and the tide started to roll back out. Hunter described how this happened to the Sixties generation, and how it all happened imperceptively.
Today the Iraqis go to the polls. Is this finally a turning point in our long national nightmare? Which fork in the road are we going to go down tomorrow? One thing is for sure: just as I watched the Berlin Wall fall with a profound sense of unease, I am watching events unfold in Iraq quite warily. Things are about to get a lot more complicated.
We were just lucky a Progressive President was in office at the outbreak of WW2. Just how lucky can be seen by the contrast of having a right wing radical at the helm when 9/11 hit.
Yes, we were lucky that FDR was in power. But remember. The American right wing attempted to stage a coup to replace him with a fascist government. The only reason they failed was because the veteran they chose to lead the coup was a liberal.
who what where when?
http://www.weblog.ro/soj/2005-08-11.html
Thanks, Boo! Best write-up on that topic I’ve seen yet!
Double the thanks for Boo, some of that I’d never heard of before… and here I thought I knew every tink.
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Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 09:29:36 AM PDT
Preliminary Note: Some of you may wonder about the relevance of this diary, but trust me, by the end you’ll see how it all ties in with our present day situation.
Time for a trip in the way-back machine to recall a bit of history of which most of us have never heard. Last year, Phillip Roth had a bestseller with his novel, The Plot Against America, a fictionalized alternative history involving a fascist plot to take over the government of the USA and turn it into a fascist state under President Charles Lindbergh. But how many of you know of the real plot to overthrow FDR during the early years of his administration, a plot conceived by rich industrialists and bankers concerned that Roosevelt was about to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth?
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“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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“Smedly Butler saves the world”. Prescott Bush would have been able to arm the Nazis in broad daylight otherwise.
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Still find it interesting the developments, if any, since first press frenzy of his discharge.
Someone asked me this morning if the discharge of 4-star General Kevin P. Byrnes was because he was aware of a coup plot against George Bush.
● The Strange Sacking of General Kevin P. Byrnes
● 4Stars Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons? ◊ by Oui
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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There were also odd coincidences during that same time that may or may not be related. There were a few extraditions (legal) and the SAS incident in Basra all happened around the same time of the attack warning controversies in New York’s subway. Something may have happened in Chicago too but there were significant developments in various grand jury investigations at the same time.
thanks.
What a beautifully written and pondered diary, Boo. And thanks for the Hunter quotes. They are amazing.
Perhaps we have one small thing going for us this time–our own cynicism based on the experience of watching that last wave recede. When people assume everything is coming up roses, they think, speak, and act based on that presumption; when they don’t assume such good luck, they behave in other ways, leading to different outcomes. It remains to be seen what those ways and outcomes will be.
There’s something to be said for the Bush family, ha–they teach us never to take anything for granted, not even the most “hallowed” principles or institutions.
I was so apathetic and cynical as a kid, well, younger kid, I’m only 25 now. I used to say things like there’s no point in voting, your vote doesn’t count, we really don’t elect the president – around when I was about 12 or so, when Bubba was elected. Jaded already!
While those statements made half my lifetime ago are true in a way, they were said by a stupid kid. I still don’t think my vote counts and that we don’t really elect the president, but now, I want to change that. I’ve always been politically aware and I was a smart kid, just not really into activism. But I started to have my awakening in college in DC, one of those bastions of liberalism. I watched as the country went into a tailspin over a blowjob and it was all happening a Metro ride away [damn paper tickets in DC].
In 2000, I watched the election coverage on our big screen TV in our apartment, stayed up until about 5am, we taped it it was so hilarous. We Dan Rather [I think it was him] react as one of the studio lights caught fire because they’d been on for so long. We saw Tom Brokaw nearly asleep. We ate it up. But when it was all over, I was angry at how the system seemed to be broken.
In a Buddhist moment, my enemy, Bush and Co, became my greatest teacher. He/they awoke something inside me that will not rest. It was my ‘get off the couch’ moment. Then 9/11. Then Iraq. Then the 2004 election. I see the country I grew up loving dying before my eyes. I don’t want it to die. And I’m dedicated in helping nursing it back to health.
Thanks for sharing Booman.
speaking of a long time ago in a land far far away…
Did anyone see that FrontLine about the U.S. and it’s new found appreciation of torture? It aired some weeks ago I guess. But there was this one guy, John Yoo, who’s job it was to research and write the briefs that Gonzales ended up using to justify disregarding the Geneva Conventions and whatnot. Frontline gave this guy John a lot of airtime, and it turns out I went to highschool with him.
Long story short – I just found my highschool yearbook and I have a photo of this warmongering idiot – in the YOUNG DEMOCRATS CLUB.
I’m wondering when his tide turned. I’m also looking for an appropriate place to get the image posted on line…anyone have any ideas?
scan it and email it to Susan.
FWIW, Yoo teaches at Boalt Hall, the law school of UC Berkeley. He’s become a darling of the right wing talk shows.
Watch the Frontline episode here
and the John Yoo interview transcript here
cross-posted at dKos.
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For profound words and and a retrospective view of events that changed America.
A Land of Hope and Glory changed into Fear and Torture. What a shame and great lack of vision and of leadership in the White House since 911. The President could have been a rallying point for all Americans and suppressed people across the globe. He failed.
His poor and evil choice was one of a war of aggression and revenge, in the name of 3,000 innocent victims in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington DC. For the political parties on both sides of the aisle, the event became just another pawn in the game called politics and how to attain power.
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I recall how families of the WTC victims reached out to innocent civilian victims of Kabul, but the thirst for blood was not yet lessened. Iraq was next …
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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Hunter Thompson was right.
“Success” in Iraq means more war.
“Failure” in Iraq means more war.
The question for us is can we remove our own psychopaths from power and even find enough rational people to elect who will have the ability to bring this juggernaut of aggression to a halt.
half the people in this country who can vote dont even bother
half of the ones that are left vote for the psychopaths
the rest of us are force fed crappy choices over and over again
the psychopaths can do whatever they want and get away with it mostly…if by some stroke of luck libby and or rove go to trial for their sins, they will be pardoned anyway….ken lay is still walking around free and wreaking havoc…cheney has done his number one job of enriching himself and his oil buddies…the war mongers can wage war and none of their kids have to go fight it….there are no consequences so why would they change?
this was great writing boo…im not sure if im encouraged or more depressed though after reading it.
You’re right about the (non)voters, but for many of them, the choices they see amongst the prominent Dems are simply not different enough from the Repubs to seem meaningful. For instance, as far as I know there’s not yet even one solitary prominent Dem presidential contender who has repudiated this war and the rationale now used to perpetuate it.
Voting against the current psychopaths is a good thing, but if those we wind up voting for aren’t differet enough, the war will continue.
Einstein once said; “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Sadly I don’t see Dem candidates embracing the totality of this concept anywhere near as much as they shoud be. So who do we vote for and what do we expect of them?
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“Success” in Iraq means our war, more killing, instability and failure
“Failure” in Iraq means their civil war, more killing and instability in the region.
To divide the nation Iraq into federal states of a North Kurdish state, South Shia state with close ties to Iran, leaves the Sunni hot spot where war will rage in a Chechnya intensity to complete destruction.
“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
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Hunter could be incredibly prescient, & sure had a knack for nailing it. Those druggies can say the craziest things!
The political/cultural environment was already toxic when Clinton was elected. People like Anita Bryant & Jerry Flawell were emerging on the national stage. It was that toxic concoction that made impeachment possible. Reading this makes me realize once again just how successful the Reagan revolution was. Clinton’s election achieved the DLC project of moving the Democratic party decisively to the right, redefining the “Center,” & effectively marginalized those pesky progressive voices, as if charisma & a few domestic policy bones thrown our way would cause us to not notice what had happened. For many, Clinton’s election wasn’t a sign for hope, but confirmation of our worst fears.
Hunter:
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or:
The democrats have yet to recover from Reagan. Will Bush’s blatant excesses provide the impetus? I’d love to believe it, but can find little reason to do so. The war will continue regardless; Washington will argue only about how to do it & where the military personnel will be deployed.
Whatever one’s awakening moment(s), I do take heart in the spirit of humanity, which manifests itself in so many wonderful ways, despite all the evil in the world.
Charles Olson, re-stating Heraclitus:
What does not change / is the will to change
I hadn’t been aware of Thompson’s perspective on Clinton, but I certainly agree with him about the elder Bush, and more generally I attribute the full institutionalization of aggressive depravity in US foreign policy to the Reagan regime. (Not that the brutality of it all started with Reagan, but that such odious and repulsive policies and behavior became standardized, “normalized” during those eight years of rampant looting and pogromming.)
I have held Hunter Thompson as one of America’s greatest writers. Seriously.
But I’d also liked Hunter because he showed there was at least one person out there who could be more cynical and disgusted about everything than I was. I’d read his witty barbs and love them, but think to myself, “at least things aren’t really as bad as he thinks they are.”
I was wrong.
I’ll add this Hunter quote (from “Kingdom of Fear”):
if you are so inclined:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/15/111318/92
Hunter, we really need you now!
More from the master of gonzo journalism:
Nothing in the last 30-some years has changed the validity of that assessment.
And my personal Words to Live By:
After two days of non-stop “kill Tookie, kill them all” coming from the left under the guise of everything from morality, righteousness, victims rights, concern for the inner city poor to security, I’m ready for a honest appraisal of exactly who we are.
In memory of Richard Pryor, “Yea, that’s right! That’s right! We bad!”
mirror, mirror, on the wall . . . ?
I’m afraid we’re not, as a society, prepared for that gaze.
When a glimpse shoots through, denial wants to “other” the view.
“That can’t be my face!”
boo,
thanks again, so much, for your insightful thoughts.
hunter thompson. what a mind! and we all need to keep going back to him for courage and laughter and most of all to be reminded that, yes, dastardly, raving hyenas are loose in the land and they will stop at nothing. they will stop at nothing even when the truth of their egregious, wrong-minded doings are apparent to any clear-thinking citizen.
even if the wave has crested and the high point has been reached (and i’m fervently hoping that it hasn’t) we owe it to ourselves and our children to never relent in this fight. battle on boo! we’re with you!
Great post. I never read Hunter–now I regret it. I didn’t realize he’d pegged things so accurately.
I got radicalized a little earlier, in the mid-1980s during the Reagan regime, over U.S. atrocities in central America. Remember the attack on Panama? Thousands of innocent civilians killed in “Operation Just Cause” so that the U.S. could capture one man (Noriega) who had personally offended the lord high president of the United States (Bush 41).
I calmed down quite a bit during the early years of the Clinton administration, when it looked like we finally had a competent and honest government. In 1995, for example, everything seemed possible. I started a little Internet company. The Dow was going to hit 36,000. The U.S. government was projecting a SURPLUS.
Then the impeachment.
FWIW, I don’t think there’s any chance that the left blogosphere has peaked. It will change. But it isn’t even close to a peak, in my estimation.
you can always still read hunter, it’s not like they’ve banned his books… yet.
If we learned anything in the 60’s, it was to follow the old maxim “believe nothing of what you hear, and half of what you see”, and you’ll be alright. I remember the assinations, the wave rising only to roll slowly back as the “system” settled into the long-established routine. I’d put that at about one heartbeat after Bobby Kennedy was shot, after which the democratic party self-destructed.
The complications will come when all of us make decisions about who we will support to represent us, irrespective of political affiliation. Iraq is just one benchmark, and the road does not fork, it branches in all directions.
The trick is for all of us to end up close to the same place.
How many here are familiar with Hunter Thompson’s doubts concerning the official story of 9/11?
link?
Some of these are getting harder to find. This is may be the one that one that was censored at a later date. Most of the interesting ones are behind firewalls and have to be purchased.
This one shoyld work and ir has the entire conversation instead of a few pieces pulled from it.
The Hunter S. Thompson Interview
There are other references too. I believe he was on the edge of finishing some work on 9/11 the admin present-past, Jeff Gannon and other curious events.
By the way, great writing in this diary Boo.
Wow, HST was right in that interview when he said some of those questions were dumb. They were unbearably dumb and predictable. Maybe HST was just playing with his interviewer a little bit.
Just sayin’.
All things are possible. I don’t put all of my faith in any one particular source. When combined with other statements of his in various works, it carries a consistent message
Oh no, I agree about Thomspn’s consistency.
I just think he gets sick of answering the same old questions all the time and so might have had a little fun with him.
Once HST was on Russert’s show and out of nowhere let off an ear-piercing shriek. He does that when he feels that things are getting too boring.
Timmeh to his credit just kept plowing ahead.
damn, I have to recalibrate my early warning detection system. I’m taking comments the wrong way. I thought you meant the other way around, playing games with a slightly altered state of mind that Thompson had been known for.
Yeah, I agree. Thompson appeared to be amused at the predictability of the questions. He’s (was) fun to read or watch. I’m not convinced he’s actually gone.
He was part of a panel interview. I haven’t gone through all of this one yet. There is a 37 min audio available too, I think.
The irrational hatred for Clinton started long before the blowjobs came out. I have a winger father in law, and he hated Clinton from the moment he appeared on the Presidential campaign radar. The reasons changed over time, to whatever the WSJ editorial page featured that week, but the hatred and contempt never varied.
So I don’t know what it what that caused the wingers to be so nutso about Clinton, but it wasn’t the blowjobs, even though they bring it up at every mention of the man now. That’s just the reason they agreed on, like WMDs for the war.
I became radicalized when I fell into this website. 🙂
Great post Booman, glad to see you hitting your stride again with the writing.
I became radicalized when (after having fallen asleep on election night secure in the knowledge that Bush had lost Florida and Gore would be our next president), I awoke at 2 AM to a disturbing alternate reality where Gore was about to concede to the loser! And we’re still here 5 years later…
Nice piece of writing, Boo. I don’t hold out much hope for these elections changing much of anything, though. It’s pretty clear that we should get out of Iraq, but won’t.
On H Thompson: he had his good days and his bad days. I don’t take his observations as holy writ. He was right about 9/11 but then so were others. He was wrong about a lot too.
On the political-historical curve: I was thinking about this earlier in connection with what Harold Pinter said about Bush being fiendishly clever (not his words exactly) in refusing to sign international treaties that could hold Americans accountable for war crimes. It was pretty much an announcement that Americans fully intended to commit war crimes, and they have.
The defining moment was the fall of the Soviet Union. Then the neocons and remnants of the militarist establishment decided they could do damn well what they wanted in the world and nobody could stop them. And nobody has.
They needed an enemy and they’re busy creating a really good one. Not being very bright, they’ve done it too well.
But when we get around to Clinton and even this weird bonding of the neocons and the fanatical religious right, the rubrics of politics, historical analysis and economic analysis all fail to give a complete picture. We need psychology, and we don’t have any.
While the right runs rampant with their projections and other raging emenations from their unconscious out there in broad daylight, the “reality based” left can’t agree on how to approach the reality of the psyche, especially as it gets expressed in political behavior. Apparently, what reality based means is a mechanistic dependence on drugs to manipulate behavior.
I keep coming back to Carl Jung’s statement in an interview in the 50s, that humanity hangs by a thin thread, that thread is the psyche, but we know nothing about it. And in places like this, we don’t want to know. We actually seem to think it’s irrelevant.
As to the influence of the blogosphere, there’s a lot of dialogue that is unconscous stuff masquerading as rational argument, but that’s fairly normal. Not recognizing that possibility is perhaps normal, but dangerous. For one thing, it means missing the point and going off on wild sidetracks. Someone should do a statistical study of posts, to calculate the number of comments that actually focus on the topic. Maybe that kid on Numbers can come up with a formula.
Which means to me that the blogosphere will provide certain services: rallying money and participation in campaigns, exposing information available on the Internet pertaining to a lie or policy or whatever; and with a few noble exceptions, it will be less effective in honing a message or focusing on an agenda. Thats not to say these wide-ranging discussions arent valid and valuable. Just that I dont seem them fulfilling that function. I could be wrong.
When referring to the habit of For one thing, it means missing the point and going off on wild sidetracks. Someone should do a statistical study of posts, to calculate the number of comments that actually focus on the topic. as it would pertain to this thread, aren’t the comments of this thread somehow related?
Hunter Thonpson knew these same officials in power today as they indulged the same behavior in previous administrations. These are the architects of the Iraq war and they started forging that path to war from the time they left earlier administrations.
I would say the nonconservative groups fail to see the big picture, if anything.
I wasn’t referring to this thread specifically.
I’m not sure how your point about Thompson applies to my comment but I agree with what you say.
I must have taken your comment the wrong way. Sorry about that. Let’s just say that my point about Thompson didn’t apply to your comment.