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Froggy Bottom Lounge
Welcome newcomers! Please introduce yourself
Glad you made it! Did you bring your Random 10 list?
The CabinGirl Cosmo:
4 parts citrus vodka
2 parts cointreau
1 part fresh squeezed lime juice
2 parts cranberry juice
Shake and strain into a martini glass; garnish with a lime wedge.
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CDs are in their regular spot next to the stereo
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Please recommend (and unrecommend the Cafe/Lounge from yesterday)
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La Luna En Tu Mirada – Ry Cooder and Manuel Galban
Wildest Dreams – Kim Richey
Amazing Grace – Jerry Garcia/David Grisman
The Race is On – Grateful Dead
Dissolve – Elvis Costello
Secret Love – Ry Cooder and Manuel Galban
New Slang – The Shins
Drifting Too Far From the Shore – Old and in the Way
Those Gambler’s Blues – Jorma Kaukonen
Shopping Around – Amy Rigby
Falling In Love With You – Gary Moore
Gaucho – Steely Dan
Get Away, Jordan – Take 6
I’m Through With Love – Scott Hamilton, Jake Hanna, Dave Mckenna
Which Will – Lucinda Williams
Postcard Blues – Cowboy Junkies
Mind On My Man – Karrin Allyson
Werewolves Of London – Warren Zevon
The Wandering Kind – Paul Butterfield
Don’t You Feel My Leg – Maria Muldaur
Lucinda Williams is an artist I like by accident — meaning I had never heard of her and accidentally bought one of her CDs thinking she was someone else. But I really like it.
She’s much more my husbands than mine — I like her in moments, that is I find myself liking pieces of her stuff but not quite loving the whole song.
Lucinda, Cowboy Junkies, Maria Muldaur- excellent!
And I’ve seen Steely Dan live, even…
Blues lover that you are, you might want to check out Gary Moore. He is a fine blues guitarist.
Oh look I’m still awake! I am also still
without code, but I will get to it as soon as I feel up for it.
Heartache Tonight – The Eagles
Angels Don’t Cry – The Psychedelic Furs
Edge Of Seventeen – Stevie Nicks
Terrible Lie – Nine Inch Nails
Cross-Eyed Mary – Jethro Tull
Straight On – Heart
We Close Our Eyes – Go West
Norwegian Wood – The Beatles
Candy Everybody Wants (Unplugged, Live) – 10,000 Maniacs
Winning – Santana
Every time I see your lists, I realize that we must be the same age. 🙂
Glad you hung in long enough to post your list! And I can see again! woo-hoo!
I am 35 1/2 + a week. (My sense of humor, as we all know, is 12.)
I’m so glad you can see again! You always run such a great Friday Lounge.
Close enough for horsehoes and handgrenades, anyway… 🙂
Thanks.
Be right back…
After I say that I find yours and CabinGirl’s lists very similiar to what I might find on mine. I just turned 36, btw. 🙂 I’ll leave the sense of humor age up for you to decide…
List coming in a minute or two!
Hmm, so my list must either 1) be so boring no one cares or 2) clearly mark me as an old fart.
Not at ALL! It’s just that there’s always a bunch of stuff in Indy’s list that I remember from around high school…
Wow, you remember high school? 😉 I was always getting stoned in the parking lot (and once in the gym during PE), but the music sure stuck.
And how many days did I only make it to the smoking area at school, long enough to meet up with friends and head for “hippie hill” in the park instead of class?
Hahaha! Tee-hee. Your comment just brought back the memory of driving some of my friends and my lil sister to school the first day of my senior year… We stopped at Burger King on the way there to toke up. My sister was so delighted! Heheh…
And my friend Candis had a book called ‘The Sword of Islam’, in which she had carved out spots for bowls and weed and such… And we would use that in the girls’ bathroom. Hahaha… such fun memories. Thank you. She’d probably be in gitmo these days for that, the heathen that she was…
Stop that you!!! 🙂
I myself just happen to be more alternative and indie-oriented. But you have the Cowboy Junkies in there… there’s hope for you still! 😉
Well for one thing I am an old fart and I’m a lot more jazz and blues oriented than most of you.
Well that is just fine and we still love you. So there! 🙂
It’s too bad I can’t figure out a way to do a random 10 from my albums — some of which are older than you; for example, my Tim Buckley (Jeff’s dad) albums.
You can actually upload your albums if you can hook your stereo up to your sound card — I did this with my music on cassette. The sound quality suffered a smidge but I saved a ton of money by not having to buy them all on CD.
with a couple of albums but stopped because the sound quality was pretty bad. We really didn’t like to listen to them.
for hints when we get the new computer…I have a cassette of new-agey music that’s no longer available anywhere, and I want to burn it to CD before the boom box chews it up… (I have no idea what the tracks are named, so I’ll probably make up something…the tape is called “Christmas All Seasons”, picked it up at some street fair and fell in love with it!)
If I can help, I surely will. 🙂
Apparently though, your demeanor is very mature — you missed a comment the other day from NorthDakotaDem where he thought that you and I were contemporaries and he knew how old I was.
I get that a lot, although I’m not sure how much of it is related to actual maturity and how much of it is related to my growing up running around Miami Beach and being half socialized by 80-year-olds. But even when I was a kid my friends all made jokes about how I was older than our parents, so there’s definitely something to it somewhere. It’s especially disorienting for people who meet me offline and think I’m 19…until I start talking. (This doesn’t happen so much now that I’m going gray in earnest.)
being socialized by old folks comes across online. For me, it manifested itself as hyper-politeness which wouldn’t be very apparent online. At any rate, I think he was picking up on your ‘tude and your writing style.
that about covers it Andi; It seem general impressions of individual bloggers natures linger more brightly in the memory, vs an individual’s bio facts.
Could have something to do with past activities related to, “if you can remember what you did, you probably weren’t there…”
I’m delighted that the NSA software I downloaded off that gov site seems to be working well at keeping up with you guys when any mention of “NDD” comes up.
And you probably can’t stay at the cafe because you need to go obsessively google your real name 😉
BTW, your bird pics inspired me to put feeders up after not having any up for 10 years. So far, though, the birds are slow to return. Had a few today flying around them but only one actually perched. I guess the word is out that we aren’t reliable.
The word will get out about the feeders. This time of year they really like those gross-looking suet cakes but so do the squirrels. Last winter a squirrel carried off two of my suet baskets and I never did find them.
Googled my blog name once, and learned a mighty important lesson… doesn’t always pay to be so uniquely unique.
My next blog name, should I inadvertently stray oh so temporarily from home here, will be something on the order of, rice, snow, water… where there would mulititudinous millions of results.
Birdfeeders, yeah, I get quite a kick out of nature’s own DVDs. And the birds kick enough out on the ground to feed their friend, a small squirrel, who reciprocates by vociferously warning them whenever I set foot outdoors.
‘Expect to see some pics of your birds soon!
Is that a grouse?
going to the restroom.
It’s very small for a wild turkey — we have a lot of them around here.
but I embarassed a life long birder who guessed on that one last winter, so I think the shot through double pane glass and the angle of the shot must throw the judgement off some how. It actually was much larger than it looks here.
We do have grouse in eastern ND. I know some pheasant hunters who see them during that hunting season. However, I’ve never seen one at my rural location, Hungarian Partridge flocks would be more likely.
maybe it is the angle — we never see them that way. It just didn’t look right.
Fixing a Hole – The Beatles
Waking the Witch – Kate Bush
Helter Skelter – The Beatles (again)
Black Celebration – Depeche Mode
A Fond Farewell – Elliott Smith (check him out if you have not heard of him, seriously… he died way too young, but his voice and his lyrics blow me away… personally, anyways. I think you guys would like him. I love him…)
Fumbling Towards Ecstacy – Sarah McLachlan
Under the Milky Way – The Church
Lover, You Should Have – Jeff Buckley
Everyone – Magnet
10:15 Saturday Night – The Cure
A bit 80’s/90’s influenced this time, ya think? 🙂
Love Elliot Smith…and Jeff Buckley is another who died way too young.
Thank you!!!! Smooches!!! Elliott Smith is the love of my life. His songs make me cry, still, to this day. His was such a tragic passing. As was Jeff Buckley’s too. Way too young indeed. And that’s not counting those fine souls of the late 60’s either…
I rather suspect that anyone who hits the trifecta of The Church, Depeche Mode, and The Cure also has a 99.9% chance of being a GenXer. 🙂 (Yeah, I have all 3.) I will put Elliott Smith on my “to buy” list.
Am I a GenXer? I haven’t heard the exact breakdown of that lately… I’ve been curious about it too.
But do check out Elliott Smith… he is amazing. You will very much like him, I am sure of that. 🙂 Seriously.
Oy, which generation people are in, or where they start and stop, always starts arguments. (I know you’re not trying to start one. :)) But I consider 1970 (my birth year) to be smackdab in the middle of GenX so I claim it for myself and anyone near me. My roommate’s a sociologist, though, and she tells me it depends on which sociologist you ask, where the dates are.
OK, I’ll buy that. I was born in 1970 too, and never sure exactly how to ‘label’ myself that way, not that I really cared. Was more just curious about it all…
So they’re going to be really precise on GenX and GenY but call anybody born between 1946 and 1964 a boomer and act as if we’re all one big amorphous blob.
Take this with a grain of salt as it’s Roomie who’s trained and I’ve just picked this up by living with her, but most of the sociological stuff I’ve read separates the Boomers into two categories, but yes still does lump them into one generation. The X is usually from 63 or 64 to the late 70s or as late as 81. The Y is generally considered to be from wherever the X stops right up until almost 2000, though, so it has that in common with the Boomers. It’s really the X that’s the outlier, I think, but again, this isn’t my field.
My older sister who was born in ’47 might has well have been born a decade early than me for how different our teen years were. She was very much a 50s kid and I was completely a sixties one.
And just think of how different living through 1968 was for me as an 18-year-old and SN as an 8-year-old.
I totally disagree that it’s worthless. All of the good theory knows that you & Second Nature had different experiences and none of the good theory insists that you and someone who was born on your exact birthday must have the same experience. It just speaks to cultural trends in large groups, which is what sociology does. If you get too close to anything like individual analysis, you’re not really doing sociology anymore, you’ve slipped into something more like social-psych, the blurry inbetween area of sociology & psychology.
First, I was, of course, not claiming that anyone thought that anyone has exactly the same experience if they are born at exactly the same time. But asserting that there is some useful shared cultural environment between someone born in 1950 and someone born in 1960 that makes it worth grouping them but not one between someone born in 1960 and someone born in 1970 strikes me as pretty as highly problematic.
Maybe careful academics can do something useful with that distinction (though I’m doubtful) but the sloppiness of the assumptions about shared experiences and beliefs shows up pretty broadly in social policy, political thinking, advertising, and all kinds of demographic assumptions.
I find it highly useful for analysis myself personally, and I’m not sure we share an understanding of how it works. For example, you say:
Which seems to be a very uncharitable read of the theory, and not entirely accurate from my pov, shortchanging it by highlighting its weakest aspect and not giving it credit for all the things it gets correct.
Any good analysis always takes into account cusps, doesn’t rely on absolute boundaries, and compares one category to another noting trends of overlaps and differences. The lines are to some degree arbitrary because they have to be, otherwise we couldn’t work with groups at all. Surely you wouldn’t assert that people, generally, born in 1970 have just as much cultural overlap with people born in 1870 as they do with people born in 1950, right? Of course not. But to do any useful sociological analysis, you have to make groups, and the groups have to be to some degree arbitrary. So while generation distinctions are made, there’s no necessary corresponding assumption like the one you made. In some ways there may be more or less intergenerational overlap depending on the groups & traits being analyzed in any particular study. It’s not simplistic stuff, and the better theory doesn’t even come close to making the kinds of sweeping generalizations you seem to be applying to it.
There’s plenty of practical use for sociological theory, and just because some morons making public policy or commercials fuck it up doesn’t mean the theory’s bad. I mean, come on, people try to make “feminist” commercials and fuck those all up but that doesn’t mean that’s feminism’s fault. It means the idiot responsible for the commerical didn’t understand the theory. All the disciplines suffer from that.
(Shermanesqe, do you see what you started? ;p)
I’m making a making a specific criticism about the so-called boomer generation, not the idea of cohorts as a general principle. I do think I have a definite cohort with which I share many experiences and characteristics but I think the useful time span is something more like 1949 – 1956. And yes, I still think that making claims about the “baby boomer generation” is worthless.
Really I have much more in common with you than I do with my older sister and her cohort (which I would put at something like 1942 – 1948).
That you’re talking about Boomers specifically is irrelevant since most generation theory is done with the same methodology. And again, I reiterate, the good theory does not make grandiose sweeping generalizations about people born over a 20 year period, it simply examines those people statistically and then notes what it finds.
As soon as you start extrapolating from your own experience like you do when you compare yourself to me and to your sister, or even comparing yourself to what you feel is your cohort, you’ve already left the realm of generation theory, which is probably a large part of why you think it’s worthless. You are not really engaging it, you’re trying to personalize it into your experience, and it doesn’t care about individuals at all.
Have you considered the very likely possibility that you are not normal, Andi? lol. (I laugh because a decade ago I made the exact same argument that you are making, but I eventually lost, because I was wrong. ;p) That this theory of large groups born over relatively long timespans does not speak to your personal experience is completely irrelevant to its accuracy and/or worth because it does not try to speak to your personal experience; that is not its purpose.
Generation theory speaks to trends, to the aggregate. That means there will always be individuals who fall outside of it, who cannot be explained by it. That’s okay, and has nothing to do with how well it works to assess the large groups it seeks to study. That you & I as individuals have more in common than you & your sister as individuals — regardless of birth year — says exactly nothing about generational theory. I know that sounds counter-intuitive but I assure you, it’s theoretically sound.
Now, I have to check out and go have some dinner, so maybe we’ll pick this up some other time. Be well! 🙂
I want to live in theory — everything works there.
And when you are ready you can show me that argument that convinced you that making large assumptions about what has been defined as the baby boomer generation have proved to be useful and worthwhile beyond an actuarial table. Yes, any study of the aggregate will always have exceptions; the problem with the boomer generation is the aggregate ends up being almost entirely exceptions because it isn’t an aggregate.
I don’t know about X and Y but I thought the Baby Boomers were categorized based on their parents — not on themselves.
I almost wet myself the other day when I was looking over a questionaire and noticed that they grouped me in the 46-80 age group. WTF? Just a week prior to that I was hip and cool and 35-45. Now I’m between 46 and DEATH?
It will only get worse — I’m just crossed over into 55+ which is a sign to the world that they can officially act as if that I don’t exist.
I refuse to go quietly into the night. I will listen to Crash Test Dummies at full volume while wearing Depends.
And the good news is that by that time you’ll be so deaf you won’t know that your son has substituted Lawrence Welk because he thinks it’s better for dear, batty mom. And a one, and a two …
(This would be the youngest one so you ought to let him know right now to keep his hands off your music.)
46-80 — you’ve got to be kidding. I only have three months until I’m just lumped in with “old”?
Sadly, yes. So make sure you spend part of your special day here in the lounge and we’ll offer our bleary-eyed moral support as you enter the age of infirmity.
Happy Christmas (War is Over) — John Lennon (archived most of my Christmas music till next year, but left this one and a few others on)
My Humps — Black-Eyed Peas
Yoda’s Theme from The Empire Strikes Back — John Williams
Harbor Lights — Boz Scaggs
As Tears Go By — Rolling Stones
Clouds Below Your Knees — Ray Lynch
“Eine Kleine Nachtmusik”; Minuet — Academy of St. Martin in the Fields
Carillon — Peter Hurford
Suite: Judy Blue Eyes — The Stanford Band
In The Mood — John Williams
Bonus selection (because the song always makes me smile):
Just Can’t Get Enough — Depeche Mode
You definitely win the prize for most diverse tonight! 🙂
Indy can’t accuse me of cheating this week… ;P (that’s a wink while sticking out my tongue, a little known but much needed emoticon a buddy of mine came up with…)
Reading some of the other lists makes me realize what other music I want/need in my iTunes library — definitely need more Beatles and Jethro Tull, to name a couple…
Damn, now I can’t get Yoda’s theme out of my head.
Maybe You’ll be There – Diana Krall
Everybody Wants to be a Cat – Phil Harris (Disney)
Let Love Go/One Alone – Gordon MacCrae
Something so Right – Paul Simon
Blue Moon – Ella Fitzgerald
The Olive Tree – Samuel Ramey
Sweet Dreams – Patsy Cline
Dream with Me – Kim Criswell
Il Andante Molto Tranquille – Grieg
Sussudio – Phil Collins
Hey, you have the Diana Krall to go with my Elvis Costello. 😉
Are they married? I thought I heard that somewhere.
They are.
Cool! Now, let’s get that 49% up a it higher, and kick these assholes to the curb.
ANd then stomp on their heads!!!…..uh, sorry, I’m feeling a little tense today.
With spikes on…(must be something in the air, huh?)
I’ll definitely drink to the resuls of that poll! Plus its now 4:00 on Friday and the work week is almost over. Why do short weeks seem so long? TGIF
And CabinGirl makes the best happy hour cosmos.
Guess DeLay’s miffed he missed today’s news cycle. Tune in Monday with a cold beer at the ready.
Well, you’re just full of good news today, aren’t you, Limelite? 🙂
and not in the libatory sense. Read this tirade.
Just not taking it out on my fellow libators in here.
This week has been really horrendous in terms of how heinous and dirty and evil and vile and dishonest and craven (and are there even enough words to describe the depth of their ugliness?) the administration and all their pals are. I’m not a pessimist, but I have been wondering more than ususal “how the he– are we going to get out of this mess? It’s so far reaching, and even though people don’t agree with what’s going on, I don’t think the politicians have noticed or care.
in my opinion — your points being well taken. It’s the Military-Industrial Complex that Ike warned us about 55 or so years ago, too.
This diary The On-Your-Own-ership Society perpetrated my ire, and I’ve been in a foul mood since.
And likely to stay in one until Nov. God help everyone if there’s not a revolution at the ballot box then. I might end up on the No-Fly List!
You’re right. It’s just scary how extensive/pervasive the whole disaster is. It isn’t just “a few” bad apples; it’s the entire orchard.
I’m heading out the door.
It’s curly’s birthday. Soon time for dinner.
Happy birthday to curly!
random 10… no iPod, but my brain is quite random
Tracy Nelson, Mother Earth
Hot Tuna
In My Own Dream, Butterfield Blues Band
Fresh Cream, Cream
Eddie Harris & Les McCann, Compared to What
Barbra Streisand sings Classical Opera
Aretha Franklin, Say A Little Prayer
Marvin Gaye, What’s Goin On
Frank Sinatra, The Summer Wind
Buddy Rich, Birdland, Class of ’78
whoooaaaa!
Nice brain ya got there, suskind.
Quiet crowd at the cafe tonight.
Of course. How’d that bath tub gin work out?
I am! My power has been out for the last hour or so, though. HOw annoying!
what’s on the menu tonight, anything exotic?