Democrats are accustomed to being attacked by this administration. Our war veterans are labeled cowards, our values are bent and mischaracterized, our patriotism is constantly questioned, and our every criticism is met with some reference to 9/11. But, it appears to be the Republicans’ turn to feel the lash. Rather than apologize for going around Congress to illegally spy on American war protesters, or to listen in on our electronic communications, the administration is painting its critics as weak on defense. And, since this is an election year, they are effectively asking the GOP to take up their talking points and back up their ludicrous justifications.
The New York Times reports:
With a campaign of high-profile national security events set for the next three days, following Karl Rove’s blistering speech to Republicans on Friday, the White House has effectively declared that it views its controversial secret surveillance program not as a political liability but as an asset, a way to attack Democrats and re-establish President Bush’s standing after a difficult year.
Whether the White House can succeed depends very much, members of both parties say, on its success in framing a complicated debate when the country is torn between its historic aversion to governmental intrusion and its recent fear of terrorist attacks at home.
The Times goes on to note how successfully the GOP has framed the debates over the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Department. We know how they do it. Overly simplified rhetoric is repeated endlessly by all the various outlets of the mighty right-wing wurlitzer. But, to be successful, the wurlitzer must be firing on all cylinders. That is simply not the case right now.
Georgia10 does a good round up of the conservative skepticism:
Yet right-wing propagandists lie and claim not only is Bush’s spying program wildly popular among Americans, but that it’s just unpatriotic, Osama-lovin’ liberals who are calling for an investigation of the program. But the fact that the nation’s leading conservatives are speaking out against Bush is undeniable:
- Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): “I don’t know of any legal basis to go around [FISA].”
- Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA): “There is no doubt that this is inappropriate.”
- Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS): “I am troubled by what the basis for the grounds that the administration says that they did these on, the legal basis, and I think we need to look at that far more broadly and understand it a great deal….
- Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN): “I [want hearings]. I think this is an appropriate time, without going back and should the president have ever tried to listen to a call coming from Afghanistan, probably of course. And in the first few weeks we made many concessions in the Congress because we were at war and we were under attack. We still have the possibility of that going on so we don’t want to obviate all of this, but I think we want to see what in the course of time really works best and the FISA Act has worked pretty well from the time of President Carter’s day to the current time.”
- Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE):”No president is ever above the law. … We are a nation of laws. You cannot avoid or dismiss a law.”
For a long list of other Republican members of Congress who come out against the program, check out Media Matters here.
Don’t forget that the nation’s leading conservatives have spoken out at Bush’s program in unequivocal and blunt terms:
- Bob Barr: “[F]ederal law still clearly states that intelligence agents must have a court order to conduct electronic surveillance of Americans on these shores. Yet the federal government overstepped the protections of the Constitution and the plain language of FISA to eavesdrop on Americans’ private communication without any judicial checks and without proof that they are involved in terrorism.””
- Grover Norquist: “Public hearings on this issue are essential to addressing the serious concerns raised by alarming revelations of NSA electronic eavesdropping.”
- David Keene (Chairman, American Conservative Union): “This is not a partisan issue; it is an issue of safeguarding the fundamental freedoms of all Americans so that future administrations do not interpret our laws in ways that pose constitutional concerns.”
Bush’s spying program is so repulsive to the core of our democracy that even some of his most ardent supporters will not come to his defense. Just as every other time Bush has face criticism from his own party (Social Security, Iraq War) his administration is embarking on a full-blown, campaign style offensive this week. Alberto Gonzales, Deputy National Intelligence Director Mike Hayden, and other officials will flood the airwaves with their empty rhetoric of a “limited program” which “saves lives.” The goal is not just to convince Americans and to paint liberals as anti-national-security. Bush also faces the daunting task of fending off the growing mass of conservatives demanding answers.
I’ve said this before and I’ll keep saying it. There is no way that the NSA program was limited to spying on known al-Qaeda members’ phone calls to American citizens. If it were limited to that there never would have been a need to go around the FISA court. If it were limited to that, there would not have been 10 or more NSA employees so outraged that they felt the need to leak to the New York Times. If it were limited to that, the President would have been able to convince the New York Times not to run the story.
The NSA program was clearly targeted at people that the NSA employees thought there was no legal justification to spy on. It’s obvious. And if this were not the case the President and Karl Rove would have already put the issue to bed. They would not be seeing the likes of Grover Norquist signing petitions for Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances.
I’m used to being told to take my concerns and shove them up my ass. But what happens when you tell large swaths of your base to go get fucked?
Will the principled Republicans back down?
Is this a case of Karl Rove deciding “the best defense is a good offense?”
I don’t know, but it looks like they are forcing a constitutional showdown onto their own party. And we are only too happy to join in the fray.
“Whether the White House can succeed depends very much”…….on Democratic support.
I suppose the Democrats will not want to appear “weak” they will instead be actually weak by supporting America’s rapid siide into fasicsm and war.
No one politician is going to stand up to them becuase an individual pollitician or whistleblower is easily silenced. Look what happened to Craig Murray the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan when he exposed British and American and Uzbekistan Torture centers….he is standing up….but no one even know who he is. Or Tice.
People will have to take to the streets and be unruly or one of Larry Johnson’s friends will have to take matters into their own hands.
Move On is bullshit and does nothing on Iran/Iraq. Air America is some kind of Pop Political Fluff Show, Daily Kos is Political Junk Food. The Democrats are just faking it, they are on the same side as the Republicans.
When the Bloggers start getting advertising money they quickly become mainstream.
into the streets?
Apparently William Rivers Pitt has suggested that Dems should just get up en mass and walk out at some predetermined moment during the SOTU. As he notes, all it would take is some courage (meaning of course that it’ll never happen in a million years, but would be a cool idea).
until such time Dems find cohesion on message we’ll continue to be mauled by Rove/Bush. We manage quite well to quickly disavow Murtha, Gore and Dean when they deliver messages of substance.
Dems are seen as being ‘all over the place’ on issues leaving voters confused on where we stand. That’s not a model for winning elections.
Downright frustrating.
…it before. There is more than spying going on. I’m of the opinion that infiltration is part of their efforts, too, whether or not it’s NSA or the FBI. And if the past is any guide, the next thing we’ll find out is that they’ve got agent provocateurs working dissident groups, as well.
In a comment earlier to Susan’s story (Cointelpro revisited?), I dropped a number of quotes that look at FBI informants & possible agent provocateurs in two recent “eco-terror” cases. We may well see this expand beyond the environmetal movement.
This is the key:
And, as Meteor Blades indicates, this is an old pattern for the right: spy and lie.
I remember when, in 1969, it was stated by our government that the military was not involved in spying on US citizens in the United States–no way.
Why, then, did I see men in fatigues taking pictures of protests from the tops of buildings?
In their view, we are rabble that needs to be controlled.
Their claims to American patriotism are hollow: they hate the very principle of this country, that the people know best.
They distrust and despise the people.
Hearing that it’s not just the NSA but the military that is spying on Americans is just making me livid.
I think there’s something subliminal happening too. This thought just keeps HAARPing at me.. because I do not understand why we are not storming D.C.
…discovered, when FOIA was passed, that it hadn’t just been the FBI spying on us, but the Army as well. We all joked with each other about how big our files were. My Army file was a piddling 11 heavily-censored pages, my FBI file nearly 20 times as big.
The Defense Department is having a free for all spying right now! I feel kind of excited about it. Do you think they may even have a person assigned just to me? That big mouth military spouse bitch from hell! Or did all of the big mouths get the same person? Probably huh?
The Quackers in Florida were infliltrated, according to the sessions held by rep. Conyards and shown by c-span.
Is it too much of a coincidence that OBL resurfaces just when it is to Shrub’s greatest advantage to scare the shit out of everyone to a) get re-unelected or b) glorify illegal spying on Americans? With enemies like that, you don’t need friends.
BooMan wrote:
And although there’s still no provable connection between the two…
In an administration willing to limit it to that, Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA cover would still be safe.
our country is sliding into a parody of what it used to be. Not that there wasn’t underhandness before, but the exposure of it brought swift counter-reaction. Where’s that response now? I have a hard time seeing how Congressional Democrats, or anyone can stop this slide into collective non-caring, non-reading, unaware public.
Personally, I will never be reduced to what most of the country becomes–but beyond that and voting correctly (if that even matters, now that they can manipulate the totals), most of it is out of my individual hands. I believe we can stop or slow down the process, but all the elements are in place for more and more steady erosion of our civil rights and other constitutional guarantees. I also donate to the right organizations.
Of course, I won’t stop fighting, but that’s as much for my personal integrity as believing it will make much of a difference in the long scope of history.
Americans, even those who may be critical of the current administration, at the same time believe very strongly in what that administration tells them.
“Al Qaeda,” “the war on terror,” “evildoers who hate freedom,” “spreading democracy,” “the enemy that lurks,” “Zarqawi,” etc.
Even the critics use the same memes, accept the same basic premises on which every policy from Mongol horde-like military aggression, torture, kidnapping, murder, spying, no fly lists, reduction of what pitiful excuses for social programs there were, arrest of schoolchildren who doodle on notebooks, more torture…
Acceptable criticism from either “party” is limited to criticism of how these policies are implemented, to oppose the policies themselves would be political suicide, at best.
Within this context, this Orwellian state of mind, Americans are happy to know that Father Washington is listening carefully to their telephone conversations, just in case the person they are talking to might have ties to those evil people who are ungrateful to America, or Al Qaeda. Anybody could be Al Qaeda, they are so crafty and might gitcha if the government were not watching out for you.
What better focus for a campaign could Mr. Rove want?
Excellent points.
Here’s a big uh-oh
That was from 2002 and it looks like they’re making progress. It’s only a matter of time before they’re on to the Human Society with terror prosecutions.
have been. That the populace watched contentedly as thousands of their own countrymen were slow-cooked alive, and the numbers of Those Opposed were so small they were easily kept at bay by a handful of FEMA operatives and state troopers.
In the coming weeks and months, those same contented viewers will watch their own parents and grandparents die slow, painful deaths as they cheer Operation Iranian Freedom, some getting a little verklempt with gratitude that they too are privileged to make sacrifices for this very different war…
…and the congratulatory hugs for the benevolance in dispersing the victims as far and wide as possible. The profits made in states a thousand miles from home were a small sacrifice by these noble landowners who opened their doors, for a fee.
I feel certain that many innocent, good hearted American Muslims would have stood up for the rights of the exploited Katrina victims, but they were silenced in wrongful incarceration.
Anyone even loosely associated with PETA should be nervous because that’s already been labeled by the media as extremist and terror related.
Iran? The administration caught them selling electricity to Iraqis….can’t have that, now, can we?
to arrive in the theatre, quietly slipping in, slipping past where necessary, rowing little boats, pulling people to land, handing out water, blankets, dry shoes, first aid, all without fanfare or press conferences or photo ops. It was in essence a covert operation.
There are many different kinds of heroes, those who stand in front of the tank, as well as those who roll under the tank, let the air out of the tires, put sugar in the gas tank, change clothes, and discreetly roll out on the other side and take their place among the admiring crowd, licking an ice cream cone…
I mentioned in another post that the reason for placing such a high priority on ELF, PETA, etc is that they do not harm people or animals, they harm inanimate objects, which have value to the enemy. And they also are committed to Resistance, which the enemy fears, and with good reason. 🙂
It didn’t take me long to check into that nonprofit’s spokesman. He has a long history of nasty rhetoric designed to discount legitimate concerns against big business.
It’s all about the money.
thread, about the fake restaurant org guy! 😀
Nope
:)…it belongs here.
They are the ones pushing hard to tie the elf/alf groups to domestic terrorit financing by groups such as PETA, Humane Society and a concerned physician’s group.
These all go back to what the NSA is spying on and manufacturing evidence for prosecution, building to benign groups as associated with domestic terrorism.
Good thing the FBI is on the case, to root out lurking evildoers with suspected Humane Society links.
You can tell by the name, “Humane Society” that it’s anti-American. They are getting so bold.
Go ahead and laugh. You see how easy it is when the network decides who to accuse of terrorist ties. It’s no accident that the Berman PR and CCF have been building this case for the public through media propaganda.
These guys testify before Congress in the same capacity Bodansky did. When they’re tied together, Rove still controls the terrorism/spying PR and it’s now moved to serious domestic groups prosecution. In testimony, they have equated Humane Society donations as going to ELF/ALF terrorist acts…same as what they’ve done to others.
US has stolen thousands if not millions, of peoples’ Zakat taxes since 911, well not so much after the first year, obviously, but just try to find an org that does humanitarian work in Palestine that has not been declared a terror organization, and will make you a person of even greater interest than you already were. Their “justification” for this is that none of them were willing to refuse aid to widows and orphans of suicide bombers.
And no one at all has mentioned that neither Red Cross nor United Way, nor any charity in the US refuses services to dependents of Americans who die committing crimes, or are in prison for them.
Not that a whole lot of charity or help of any kind gets to those people, but if they call United Way for example, and say, is there a food bank in my area, nobody says hey wait a minute, your husband was killed in the commission of an armed robbery, therefore you are ineligible for help from the food bank.
That’s the point I was referring to. Thank you. In all I find in researching, the circle always closes on an innocent compassionate effort from people that the government prosecutes.
Most Americans will not admit this until they are the one being prosecuted for humanitarian purposes. Some never will.
It’s been happening and it’s happening still.
Rove will campaign on Bush’s record and with the media’s help.
lookie who’s blogging, spreading the frame: Andrea Mitchell
hat tip to Laura at War and Piece.
And you won’t want to skip the link to Christopher Pyle “It’s time we go after the real terrorists instead” Pyle’s piece is very troubling, the role of the states?
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/003531.html
with adovcating NSA spying. When Rove himself is probably responsible for outing CIA agent Plame. We all know that domestic spying with out a FISA court order is illegal. The government wants to much information about Americans while Bushco has failed to catch OBL for amost five years now.
The argument to put forth to the hardcore republicans is…due you want the NSA spying on you when you talk to your pastor?
The argument to put forth to the hardcore republicans is…do you want the NSA spying on you when you talk to your pastor?
Or how about this.
Do you want to be tracked so you can be taxed?
That should get some attention.
There is no more clearly defined pre-requisite for the demise of democracy than when the government changes the rule from promising law AND order to one where the public is forced to choose between law OR order.
In a Democracy, authoritarians have no capacity for true patriotism. And so it is with the Bush regime and it’s rubric of tyranny. They represent the lowest form of fraud. Goebbels and Goering would be proud of them.
Not to mention how handy ex post facto can be in these prosecutions.
public approval success. People said okay to it in the beginning because we were all afraid we had sleeper cells in the U.S. Nah! All we have is E.L.F. The Patriot Act is being very challenged right now. Homeland Security? I have never known so many people pissed about how their tax dollars are being spent so uselessly! They are dreaming but hey, nobody wake them up okay.
Watching Mehlman’s speech to the Republican meeting over the weekend was like watching something out of Leni Reifenstahl.
Every statement he made with such impassioned self-righteousness had at least ONE major falsehood imbedded in it. Some of them were totally false; some were true on their face but based upon falsehoods.
The sickest part was seeing the audience give him a standing ovation at the end for saying things like “We’re going to fight until we win the War on Terror!”
They don’t give 2 shits in a bucket about the United States, our laws or our posterity. They care about one thing, as Orwell said, “Power.”
They couldn’t prove the war on terror if we demanded it and we definitely should.