The following is a bit of an expansion on one of my comments from earlier yesterday.
First, I wish to open with a couple quotes (one short, the other a bit more lengthy). First, Mickey Z asks:
A blogger who goes by the nom de plum of Lenin at Lenin’s Tomb comments at greater length:
So, isn’t the real political correctness (if I may call it that) as follows: you may dispense insults, racism, lies and innuendo against Muslims or Arabs, but the second you attempt to behave as if they are humans beings too, there is a strict prohibition in operation. Discourse does not take place in a neutral space, in which everyone’s speech is equally efficient: torturers and victims are not equally empowered to speak, for instance (about which, more later). … few people are actually consistent in how they weigh human suffering. What Derbyshire’s comment reveals is the precise contours of the ideological screen separating privileged Westerners from the suffering Other. It is this which facilitates the blase dismissal of mortality figures from Iraq, for instance. It is this which allows one to tuck the mortality figures from Afghanistan which, one some estimates, were close to double those accrued on 9/11, safely away from one’s purview. Zizek noted in Welcome to the Desert of the Real that Americans, having had their fantasy of immortality and reposeful seclusion ripped apart, would have to decide whether to take another step and identify with the rest of the world or to retreat back into the ‘innocence’ of identification with the status quo, nationalism and an aggressive reassertion of US power. Clearly, American reactions have polarised along these lines, with a large number of people sympathising with the suffering of Iraqis and, in increasing numbers, Palestinians, and another group of people preferring to revel in a religious and nationalistic reflux whose guiding principle is death-dealing aggression toward the Others whom ‘we’ had been simply too soft on in the past. However, what is noticeable is that even while American reactions have changed, at an official level the discourse remains exactly the same. When mainstream news organisations speak of war casualties, they are almost always referring to the number of US soldiers being returned in caskets or on stretchers. The Washington Post specifically accentuates its commitment to American nationalism in exactly this fashion.
And, of course, that screen is flexible, so that the suffering of New Orleans and the immense burden of the crimes committed there by the US government can be made sort of invisible. If you paid attention to the mainstream news organisations in America, you would have no idea that the residents of New Orleans have just had to fight a lengthy battle to force the state to comply with the law, to even enforce their property rights. And so it is unsurprising that when Ray Nagin instructs officers to kill looters and refuses to provide help for the city’s poor despite foreknowledge of the likely effects, he is just seen as doing his job – but when he says New Orleans must be “chocolate brown” (which basically means allowing the city’s residents to keep their homes and what is left of their property), suddenly he’s an anti-white racist who must be roundly condemned. There again, a radical right-wing bigot who described New Orleans residents as “scumbags” is rewarded for his efforts with a CNN contract, while Bill Bennett remains in his job with the same network after remarking that “you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down”, and is allowed the freedom to continue to defend those remarks. But Kanye West says George Bush doesn’t care about black people, a fairly mild way to put it, and outraged gasps abound.
Free speech, then, is in material terms, in this climate, and at this conjuncture, the freedom to denigrate black people, Muslims, Arabs and just about anyone liable to come on the wrong end of Western power.
The above writers effectively summarize an on-going phenomenon: some free speech is “more free” than others. Whether or not one’s “freedom of speech” will be respected (or even heard) depends on what side of the social, economic, and cultural divide one happens to occupy. Those in the dominant culture are given primacy whereas those who are minorities or oppressed majorities are to be ignored.
One means of ignoring the discourse of those designated as Others is to simply prevent it from appearing in mainstream media – a simple enough solution that can be handled at the editorial level.
Or, in order to appear “fair and balanced,” the Others’ comments and complaints about the dominant group may be presented but in a distorted fashion. Although there are plenty of individuals who can and do voice rational concerns regarding the Israeli government’s treatment of the Palestinians (as well as the legitimacy of the current Israeli state more generally), it better serves those in power to focus on the rantings of Holocaust deniers and those who threaten to “wipe Israel off the map.” By limiting expose to Others’ viewpoints in this manner, members of the mainstream are enabled to form and maintain stereotyped images of the Others.
When all else fails, of course, the individuals charged with maintaining the status quo can resort to patronizing and dismissive retorts to the Others’ legitimate complaints. Whenever I read or hear the term “politically correct” (and its variants) as a means of describing the issues raised by those in minority and oppressed groups, I immediately recognize the term as code signifying that these groups’ issues are not deemed “worthy” of discussion.
It should go without saying that those who belong to the privileged groups are not so constrained. Complaints, stereotypes, and threats of violence are all considered acceptable (or at in the case of my more “liberal-minded” peers tolerated) as long as the targets are on the other side of the social, economic, and cultural divide. Membership, it seems, has its advantages.
Yet even for those who belong to one of the privileged groups, there are limitations imposed upon freedom of speech. One who dares criticize the practices deemed mainstream or who makes an honest effort to understand and draw attention to the issues raised by those “savage” Others will experience largely the same treatment experienced by the Others. Even worse, that individual will be accused of being a traitor (to one’s race, class, religion, country) for his or her efforts.
As much as I consider myself a strong free speech advocate, I think it is crucial that those benefiting from the privileges of membership in the so-called mainstream realize that the so-called market place of ideas is more of an oligarchy than a free market. Once one has that epiphany, one then has the responsibility of seeking out, listening to, and understanding those viewpoints that have been shut out.
It does not often happen that anyone writes a diary that “says it all” so thoroughly that I don’t think there is much I can add.
I guess, maybe an easy way for many Americans who want to consider the current situation, try asking if the targeted group were Jews. Would it be free speech?
Should a law like the Danish law be applied if a newspaper published redos of some of those old Nazi cartoons? And not within the context of a historical review, etc. but simply to make a statement about free speech.
How about cartoons of someone desecrating a Torah?
Should such a cartoon be reproduced everywhere possible, to show solidarity with free speech?
Is it something you would put up on the wall of your office, of your home, on your blog?
This is sort of similar to another exercise that is helpful sometimes in getting a perspective on news stories. Take any story about US activities in Iraq, or Israel’s activities in Palestine, and in your text editory, find and replace all instances of each country with other countries. Or put the US on the receiving end.
I’m realizing that I should be less lazy about cross-posting from my blog. Thanks for inciting me.
I agree with DTF, Jim. You ought to write more often.
Great diary. YOu did a great job here. Hugs and keep up the great work.
This is a great diary- it is helpful to learn how the debate is limited and defined.Also I think there are ‘degrees of otherness’ coming into play, which is sad. I am thinking of how many of us, myself included, boycotted MSNBC over C. M’s slurs of gays and liberals. The idea that demonizing/dehumanizing gblt people is making it that much easier to take their rights/bash them or kill them seems to be clear to many of us. Then why is it hard to see the same concept applied to other groups? Especially those being slaughtered on a huge scale?
And is there an element of “don’t hurt us, we’re only a little other, those guys, they’re the real threat” going on? I don’t mean here, I’m speaking in general.
Sorry, disorganized thoughts…pain is not helping my scattered wits.
I read your last paragraph three times. Pretty much says it all. Great diary.
Shorter: (Not necessarily BETTER, but shorter.)
All animals are equal. Some Animals are more equal than others.
We have met the enemy and he is US.
Good diary. Thanks.
As always, James, you break it down very succinctly and get straight to the heart of the matter. I just want to pluck two statements from your piece and emphasize their implications.
This is exactly what’s happening, and probably the reason most of the best writers in the country are blogging while James Frey makes an ass of himself (and a mint!) on the Oprah show.
Whether they can articulate it or not, most members of the privileged groups are also at least subconsciously aware of this–and it is why there is so very little resistance to the regime and solidarity with the “Others” in academic, literary and intellectual circles (cf. Ward Churchill, who was as vilified by the left as he was by the right and who, in the midst of the witchhunt against him, was abandoned even by the many, many scholars who had previously cited him as an authoritative source on everything from genocide denial, the American Holocaust, to treaty law, wannabeeism, Indian mascots and misrepresentations of Indians in film). For God’s sake, don’t defend WC, they might conclude that you are a traitor too! Guilt by association. It would be an interesting exercise to trace the instances in which WC was cited as authoritative source prior to his being tarred and feathered as a traitor and to compare that to his post-pariah period! His name has become anathema in the academia–and yet he was formerly considered a “heavy-hitter” and authoritative source. All the scholarship he’d produced over the years–to wide, international acclaim–was wiped from the slate, not necessarily by two little words (little Eichmanns), but by the subsequent defamatory campaign conducted against him by both the left and the right.
As you and I both know, when people describe the world of academia as one governed by the “publish or perish” dictate, this dynamic functions on a very real level to suppress any kind of radical dissent in academic circles because publishing is a professional imperative. Professors and intellectuals know full well that the likelihood of overly critical works is about ZILCH, so they “self-censor”, tame down their language and thoughts, speak in half-truths and innuendo: get published, get tenure (so you can get pregnant, have babies, and sustain your privileged existence, indeed, secure it for future generations of people just like you, even though on some level you know the world is going to hell in a handbag and the best way to really secure your children’s future would be to fight like hell; but fighting like hell will cost you your job.) So they continue to spoon-feed new generations of scholars this tamed down, domesticated and diluted scholarship. This then not only effects the up-and-coming young scholars in their classes now, it will also have a a suppressive effect on scholarship for years to come.
Just a bit of thread drift…
The academic world is so danged specialized and sub-specialized that it’s very difficult to even get to know the work of authors and scholars outside of one’s own specialty. I’m a social psychologist who studies aggression – and in the process of doing some theoretical writing (mainly taking an existing theory of aggression and applying it to the issues of torture and genocide). I found out fairly quickly that I really needed to draw upon scholarship outside of the usual social psych and personality areas. It was sheer coincidence that the Churchill dustup occurred as I was in the process of preparing a presentation for a conference last spring. All these folks telling me NOT TO READ Churchill’s work got me so damned intrigued that I immediately checked into the original “offending” essay, and then picked up a couple of his books (which after reading, it was pretty obvious I needed to be referencing this cat’s work!).
Long story short: I’ve begun making a point of citing his work on genocide in my own writings, and have had some modest success at getting at least one paper in which WC is cited published in a peer-review journal (albeit a very obscuroid one, though should be in print by this spring). Basically I figured saying a few nice things about the guy at Big Orange or my own blog was not enough – that at least within the confines of academia a damned good way to show solidarity with fellow controversial scholars was and is to keep citing their work.
The Democrat Party won’t see substantial victories until the underlying issues discussed in the 2 prior comments are taken seriously. That class protection is tangible and makes Dem candidates/incumbents identified to be closer to Republicans than Dem constituents.
Excellent piece, Mr Benjamin!
I can’t tell you how pleased I am to see you citing MickeyZ & the leninology blog. It’s from the left that one gets intelligent discussion about the politics of class, race, gender, & sexual preference — yet it’s exactly that perspective that gets readily marginalized & as you point out ridiculed as “PC.”
I’ve been debating myself as to whether or not it’s a waste of my time to be posting here, as I don’t fit what I perceive to be the basically mainstream posture here. This past week has been demoralizing. I’ve started to post a comment here a few times with a cite from leninology, only to talk myself out of it cuz it seemed “too radical.” The other day I at least slipped in a little citation from Le Colonel Chabert, another blogger I often admire, but that sort of viewpoint is one that I’m ashamed to admit to myself that I have been reluctant to advance in this forum.
He has a great quote from Edward Said, who pointed out a while ago what many are now noticing, that anti-muslim sentiment is the anti-semitism of our time, simply another manifestation of an old, old prejudice of the west.
Le Colonel wraps up with:
Thanks again for a great piece of writing.
Thanks for the tip. I’ll be checking out Le Colonel more often now that you’ve turned me on to that cat. It’s a cool blog. Personally, I’d love to see quotes & ideas from Mickey Z, leninology, Left I, Baghdad Burning, et alia dropped into the frogpond discussion more often.
It’s from the left that one gets intelligent discussion about the politics of class, race, gender, & sexual preference
Do you believe the conversation is still intelligent if the theories are based on false assumptions?
And not one that you asked me, but I will speak to it anyway. 🙂
I think it is important to recognize that in the US especially, there are some ideas that have assumed religious proportions.
Just as you or I might disagree with an assumption that Jesus, for instance, is a divine incarnation of a supreme being, “being of one substance” with that being, devout Christians believe this very strongly. And there are many intelligent Christians who have conversations based on this tenet of their faith.
I can’t say that those conversations are not intelligent, even though I may not share that assumption, or that faith tenet, on which they are based.
And I think you can apply the same reasoning to probably 80% of the conversations that take place on the subject of US policies and politics. The 911 events, for example. There are people who have some very strong beliefs, a very strong faith, in many aspects of Washington’s version of the events. So they may have some very intelligent conversations, but those conversations are within the context of that faith.
Others may have intelligent conversations based on their faith in the doctrine of American exceptionalism.
However, whether the fundamental of the faith is the divinity of Jesus, American exceptionalism, or evildoers who hate freedom, I think it is important to recognize the intelligence of those who converse, but for those who do not share the faith, it is also a good idea to recognize that practical results and extrapolations in terms of events outside the umbrella of that faith may be limited.
You make several good points to discuss and a few of them weren’t my original intent. They are all important to what we’re experiencing now. I agree completely about recognition of intelligent discussion regardless of my personal beliefs or opinions. I try to consider all perspectives and possibilities, especially thos I don’t hold or disagree with.
I’m asking about intelligent discussions based on flawed assumptions. Many of these discussion deal with concepts and ideals that are variable, and that’s understood, but many of the ideals and concepts we hold are based on icorrect information.
To argue a point as opinion of a concept is one thing but to argue a concept on ‘false facts’ is another. Is the latter one still an intelligent conversation?
But I think we have to make a distinction between intelligence and practicality, or productivity, or relevance.
For example, imagine a gaggle of bearded old men discussing the details of the Prophet’s Night Journey.
Each old man is very intelligent, fluent in several languages, both dead and alive, knowledgeable about history, anthropology, linguistics, theology and metaphysics.
Each old man also has a very deep belief that the Prophet did make the Night Journey.
Someone comes up to the group who does not believe that spiritual journeys are possible. He may not find the conversation intelligent for two reasons. One, he does not believe the journey hapened in the first place, so to him discussion of the minutiae thereof is meaningless, and he cannot appreciate the thought and knowledge behind each old man’s points. To him, they are talking about a journey that did not happen, that could not happen.
Two, he does not find the conversation intelligent because it does not offer anything practical to bring to a discussion of Jerusalem. They are not even making the argument that because so many people do believe in the Night Journey, Jerusalem is holy to them for that reason. They are not talking about Jersualem at all, just their musings and theories on details of something that to our newcomer, is a false assumption.
I’m not sure I’m prepared to make the assumptions necessary to unpack the assumptions I read in that question.
I do prefer dialogue that questions & uncovers operative assumptions that undergrid any discourse, whether mainstream, right, left or my own. Would you be less uppity if I said “personally useful” instead of the more judgemental “intelligent.” Cuz I probaoly menat little more than that. There’s all sorts of right wing and liberal conversation that is certainly quite intelligent that I find totally useless if not downright dangerous by what it excludes.
Idiot that I am, I just spent three hours putting together a post on the Lodi terror trial that starts on Tues, and its effect on the local muslim community & managed to lose the whole f’inf thing, so I’m pissed right now, wondering wtf am I doing with my time, & if I’m totally misreading your question, please, accept an advance apology & explain it further.
Great Diary but I’d like to ask a hypothetical question.
How would this same conversation change if what we knew as the Islamic terror threat was a legend and that those forces were actually a private military type contractor or average mercenary?
I hope no one is too surprised to recognize that, in practise, some “free speech” is more free than others. such inequities have been at the root of inequality and repression of one group by another since the very beginning of humankind’s first attempts at community.
Fear, insecurity, the emerging desire by some to gain power over others, all of these factors contributed to the establishment and institutionalization of inequality that pervades (so-called) civilization today at all levels. I cannot think of a single society culture or tribal construct on the planet where this doesn’t apply.
In my mind, counteracting this, working for inclusivity of the “other”, involves strengthening the capability for the liberties of free speech to be accesible, and defensible, for all, regardless of whether some might regard such speech as offensive or not. This is not to say it’s either wise or good to engage in offensive speech just because one can, but that is a different issue, and such behavior I fear is not one that legislation of any sort can really cure. Education works on that stuff, but, tragically, it is also a slow process, and the forces on the planet who want to retain the inequities in order to serve their own greed and powermadness, well they are a formidable foe, to be sure.
I don’t know exactly what laws are passed where regarding the regulation of, the curtailment of, speech in terms of whether that speech is “blasphemous”, or “sacriligious or “hate speech” or whatever else, but I do not favor such laws wherever they exist for one primary reason, that being that there wil always be a judgmental foundation required of “someone” in order to determine what constitutes speech that falls with in these categories, and there are always people who will find almost any speech hateful or blasphemic when that speech does not support their own view with exacting specificity. So such laws will, inevitably, leave someone out from their protective umbrella. A second reason why I think free speech-restrictive legislation is counterproductive is that, in the case of blasphemy, anyway, authority to override basic freedoms enshrined in democratic laws is turned over to those who claim authority within religious organizations, organizations whose own power is self-appointed, arbitrary, and belief-based, rather that democratically-based; it is autocratic power, not democratic power. Basically, for me, regardless of what my own personal religious or spiritual beliefs might be, I do not seek to impose or enforce my beliefs on others and I expect the same in return. (It’s nothing to do with the beliefs themselves, or whether or not I respect those beliefs; it’s the imposition of them that’s the problem). And this is why I prefer living in a secular society where the rule of law doesn’t yield it’s authority to religious authoritarianism.
It is my experience that, wheh arbitrary autocratic power trumps the power of participatory, shared democratic authority, things always get worse, not better. The history of humankind is littered with evidence of this. I saw it up close and personal in Argentina under the reign of the Junta there. And I see this sort of thing, this sort of capitulation of freedoms for the sake of something else, creeping along again, here in the US amongst supporters of the insane Bush regime willing to sacrifice the freedoms of everyone if it will keep them (personally) safe. I see it in the armchair patriots who fatuously claim their support for the Bush assault on humanity from the safety of their iving rooms plopped in their recliners watching their war in 2 dimensions on TV. And I see a capitulation, perhaps even a well intentioned one, amongst many on the left who seem to believe that not offending people, (a noble attribute, to be sure), is somehow more important than protecting and defending the rights for all to enjoy freedom of expression.
Frankly, I don’t see it this way. There is so much speech going on in the world that I find offensive I couldn’t hope to catalog it all in 1000 pages of single spaced entries. Every sentence uttered by true barbarians like Coulter and Limbaugh and Malkin and that huge crowd is offensive; the fact these people have prominet shows and blogs, the fact that people still pay Coulter for speaking gigs is an outrage. CNN put the odious racist shitbird William Bennett on as their employee and I now no longer tune in to CNN. The list is endless, but in the end, I unequivocally support the right of these disgusting creatures to speak their venomous crap, and must seek the remedies that will reduce the instances of all this ugly speech somewhere else besides restricting the freedom of speech itself. If you have laws prohibiting speech, who decides what’s offensive or not? Who decides when to enforce the laws and when not? what possible recourse in the law can their be to remedy a problem where said laws are enforced in regard to one offended group and not in another, (perhaps the central problem in the European situation right now; the inequity in enforcement).
I screwed up & hit the wrong button, but did reply to you below.
AS I wrote elsewhere ealrier:
FWIW, I have a major problem with the European anti-hate speech laws & would consider any such proposal here to be downright un-american.
Viewing this story as one of free speech only obscures the other, to my mind, more important & illuminating story lines. If you don’t see any other stories here, well . . . that only demonstrates my point.
There are many others, here & elsewhere, much more talented than I, who have laid out in detail what those Other(‘s) story lines entail. America, and its liberals in particluar, would be wise to listen up.
I am fully cognizant of the fact that the story of the freedom of expression is not the only story here. The more compelling, ancient story concerning the existence of the “other” and how that “other” is regarded in all cultures and tribal constructs I thought was acknowledged pretty clearly in my comment. If you somehow managed to get the impression from what I wrote that I’m disregarding this other fundamental narrative then I’ve falied to articulate a central point in my words. Let me try again.
Everyone is an “other” somewhere at some time and in some context. As a matter of fact, generally speaking, everyone is an “other” to one degree or another whenever they are not part of, and supportive of, whatever the prevailing mindset is that is held by those who control the dominant culture in which they live. These simple realities seem pretty clear to me, just as it seems clear, indeed self-evident, that the problem with the “other” in a social context is not the fact that the “other” exists, but whether those in the dominant cultural structure can respect, appreciate and accord equal rights to within that dominant culture.
Similarly, whomever, whatever groups might be regarded as “other” within any society are in a position where they too have to make a decision as to whether they choose to abide by the customs of the dominant culture they’re in or not. There are decisions to be made on a multitude of levels by people on all sides of the “dominant/other” equation. (Obviously, when the “other” is forced to live under a dominate culture, [such as slaves imported by force], the equations I speak of above are not completely relevant. Similarly, people living under a forced occupation have a somewhat different calculus.)
Now I’m not sure I understand your perspective on this completely. I don’t have a sense of what you are advocating for as a remedy, or as a useful perspective that we might be well served to employ to deal with this kind of ugly and disrespectful stuff that goes on in the world. I just don’t happen to believe that restricting the freedom of expression is a path that wil lead to anytjingother than more tyranny, more disparagment of “other”, and ultimately more divison and more ugliness within the family of man.
I’m as liberal as the next person, and have been since I first became politically aware. I’ve never adopted the sort of group judgkentalism so many people have, (liberals and conservatives and rightwingers and religious nuts alike). I came of age in the ’60s, and while I was exposed to it, (indeed sometimes immersed in it), I never really ascribed to the Trotskyite or Leninist sort of leftism that was, when all is said and done, an Authroritarian Leftism, espousing liberal social ideals in a totalitarian context. For me, this message was dissonant; I’d already begun to understand the dynamics of democracy by then, and I preferred participatory, democracy-based liberalism to the Trotskyite/Leninist models. (This is not to say I disregard much of what Leni and Trotsky and many others had to say; theirnsights were,a after all, briiant on many levels. But I just didn’t ever fall for the authoritarian model out of which their doctrine flowed.)
In any case, as a democracy-based liberal, I endorse a secular society based on the rule of law. I believe it’s iportant that if one’s society is supposed to be based on the rule of law, then that law cannot and should not be able to be overridden by anyone claiming for themselves a higher authority of the right to impose that authority on others.
You make this remark.
I’d be interested in learning from you, in the context of this remark, one particular story line you think is being missed, how that story line relates to both your concept of the problems related to the concept of “other”, and what it is about American liberals that you see as deficient in this issue. I ask this because I sense that you may be doing to me what you seem so determined to condemn in others; that is, thrusting an accusatory finger towards me and my “otherness” as an American and a liberal.
This is not to say it’s either wise or good to engage in offensive speech just because one can, but that is a different issue
But that is EXACTLY the issue here. Context, they say, is everything. They were published on a dare! (Bet you can’t publish those anywhere . . .) The earlier refusal to publish cartoons offensive to Christians belies any serious pursuit of free speech in this instance. It was an act of provocation and THAT act & its aftermath is THE story. That the Danish government refused to meet with religious leaders to hear their complaints, even though the cartoons might have violated the law (which I too do not support) is THE story. And now, another part of the story is how western liberals got their chains yankied so very sucessfully by a right wing psy op & joined their voices to the 21st C version of the new anti-semitism trumpeting the gut felt value of free speech.
Maybe I missed it but I don’t think I was attempting to make the claim that the people who published these cartoons were necessarily doing so simply to make a statement about freedom of speech. I fully expect that, in the case of the editor Flemming Rose, that if his conections to JINSA and to the psychopath Daniel Pipes are in fact true, that is almost certain that his motivation was one of provocation. It’s just that in my comment above I was emphasizing other dynamics involved in this whole situation.
There are probably 20 or so different main story ines one could expound on in relation to this mess; disrespect for each other; the need to dominate to feel important; weaponized ignorance and the people who do the weaponizing; violence as a neccessary component in religion; how poverty and disenfranchisement create reservoirs of rage; how others exploit that rage; the arrogance of conquerors; fear as the primary source of all of man’s inhumanity to his fellows; how easily we’re manipulated within the contexts or religion, nationalism, ethnicity and race, economic class; the weakness of a faith that can be so easily shaken by cartoons, (or, in the US, the threat of “gay marriage”); the list of story lines goes on and on.
I thought I touched on several aspects of the story in my post. And for me, the free speech aspect was the one I sought to emphasize by attempting to put it in a broader context. You perhaps want tosingle out another aspect of this story and that’s great. i just hope you are able torealize that your’s is not the only story that’s relevant or that your own particular perspective is the only one that pertains to the entire issue.