Chris Bowers has a class theory about the brouhaha over Paul Hackett’s withdrawal from the Ohio senate race (and which BooMan wrote up very well earlier today):
… The real reason so many people are upset that Hackett left the race has less to do with ideology than it has to do with the ongoing class war within the world of progressive activists. Online, Hackett’s support came primarily from those activists who have very little power within the progressive movement as a whole: the working class within the progressive movement. By contrast, Sherrod Brown’s support came from the aristocracy within the progressive movement: those who, like Charles Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel, have a lot of power over the direction of the progressive movement. Class, in this sense and in the world to which I am applying the term, is not determined by income. Rather, it is determined by power and ownership over the progressive movement. The outrage comes from the generally accurate perception among the progressive activist working class that the progressive activist aristocracy used their vastly greater power to remove Hackett from the race in favor of Brown. The outrage comes from the fact that, like in IL-06, they made this decision on behalf of a candidate of their choosing without consulting the progressive activist working class. …Read all
First, in fairness to Chris Bowers, he has written a detailed, highly thoughtful explanation — and it’s long — of his views that anyone who wishes to comment should first read in full.
Second, this so much reminds me of us Howard Dean activists in 2003 and 2004.
Just today, I had to put up with someone who felt impelled to inform me – as if I didn’t know – that Howard Dean had received a high rating from the NRA. Yes, even I – this apparent “bumpkin” who just “fell off the turnip truck” – even I knew that. In fact, here in the hinterlands, we thought that that was a plus. Our big issue was the Iraq War, and we understood Dean’s position as a governor in a rural state about the gun debate. We also understood that Dean — like any sane person — wasn’t for free sales of machine guns, for chrissakes.
This bumpkin, after all, had heard dozens of locals tell me in 2000 that they couldn’t vote for Al Gore because he’d “take away their guns.” That was one lie that I knew they couldn’t pull off on Howard Dean.
But we “bumpkins,” as we’re often regarded by the intelligentsia of the party, do GET IT. We understand that we can compromise on certain issues. We liked Dean’s outsider status. We liked his bald frankness. We liked his attacks on the Democrat Party. We loved it that the party elites didn’t like him. We despised the party elites who tried to kill his campaign.
Hillary likes to talk about how the Bush administration is playing the “fear card” with the American public — like last week when Bush let slip supposedly classified information about a planned Al Qaeda attack on Los Angeles (if true, a serious breach of classified information used for political purposes).
Guess what. The Democratic party intelligentsia like to pull the same “fear” shit on us. I was astounded by the mealy-mouthed Democrats who came out of the woodwork (i.e., I’d never seen them at a Dem event here ever) to vote at our local caucuses for John Kerry. Why? Because they had been TOLD to be afraid of Howard Dean’s candidacy, and that Kerry was the only electable choice. We challenged their reasoning in our caucus discussions, and they didn’t have a single positive thing to say about Kerry except that they were afraid.
The utilization of fear can go both ways. We can make the elites scared of messing with us.
I’m not sure I’m with MoveOn’s campaign to challenge to right-wing Democrats in primaries. Don’t get me wrong. This is definitely on our list of “must do’s.” But, I don’t want us to put the cart before the horse. My theory has been to first get majorities back in Congress, and then lower the boom on the right-wing Democrats. Because then — as one of the best bridge players in the world once advised me — we’ll be operating from a position of strength, and we’ll have the majority safety net to let us open the floodgates on these DINOs.
I do not know which story is accurate about Paul Hackett’s withdrawal. And I’ve already realized that we’ll probably never know — objectively — what went down. But the Rahm Emanuels and Reids and Schumers need to ask Jean Schmidt’s weak Dem primary opponents to step aside and get Paul Hackett in there. Hackett can beat Schmidt. I know it in my bones. Paul’s the kind of candidate we are thirsting for. And it’ll make this bumpkin feel good about the Democrats. ‘nuf said.
I’ve posted one comment on Paul Hackett since this story broke, and it was my initial reaction – that the situation reminded me of what happened to Howard Dean in 2003/early 2004. I may be way off base here, but it seems you feel the same way.
I’m not getting mad right now, I’m not taking sides — but I am watching with great interest to see how this plays out, with the Dem leadership, with the grassroots candidates, with the blogmeisters, and with the grassroots themselves.
I want to stop the Neocon/Theocrat/Fascist/Republican juggernaut, first and foremost. But I also want to see change in our political system, with candidates who are interested in representing people first and special interests (the wealthiest people are special interests, in my book) second.
If we can do both at once, great, but the Republicans have to go.
I too want the same thing as you do; however, I do find that the likes of Reid and Shumer and all the rest are really bothering me. I hope you understand I am an independent that hangs with the group here and I love the progressiveness of them much more than you will realize. I am also for getting the republican party out, but putting in dems that are just like them is not a good choice either…seems like a catch 22 situation to me. Maybe I am more socialist than I realize I am…:o) but I want what is good for ALL the ppl not the rich of the group. Frankly I do not see any diffffffffffffference in either……
I think you’re very smart to sit back a bit and watch how this plays out. I’ve seen, sadly, some e-mails to lists I’m on that are saying they’ll never donate to the Dem Congressional candidate funds, etc. That’s really jumpin’ the gun.
Hopefully, this’ll work out.
Oh boy. You went through the Howard Dean stuff too … how many bitter pills did YOU have to swallow? I had to practically gag myself swallowing a lot of crap. But, I eventually went to bat for Kerry, held fundraisers for him, defended him in the local media, etc. But Kerry and Gephardt destroyed Dean’s candidacy, and that’s a fact I can’t ignore. (And so did some of Dean’s campaign staff by blowing all the money we raised for him — dammit all!)
We went through the Dean stuff too! Barry supports Howard Dean because of the scream not inspite of it. There is a picture of Barry and Governor Dean at the campaign website.
This Hackett thing resonates all the way through the party and through EVERY campaign and that is the truth!! We are going to be depending more and more on grassroots and the net and keep running a campaign for the people.
Thanks again Susan for inviting Barry and I to the live blog the other night and introducing me to the blogging world.
Susan, I heard Paul intervied on the Ed Swartz show, hope I spelled that right. He was not telling the whole story, I could tell by the words and the framed sentences he used. I really wished he would run as an independent, I would send him all the money I could squeeze out of my budget for him. and I am very sure others would as well.
Well, I do not know this firsthand but I am told that the Democrats in the primary facing Jean Schmidt are a weak bunch. I.e., they will LOSE to Schmidt in the general election. That’s a crime.
The powerful guys in D.C. who call all the shots should step in and wrest the Democratic primary from those weak candidates (if they are indeed weak), and hand it to Paul Hackett, with their full backing and ENOUGH MONEY so he can really win it.
I do not know who the others are. All I know what they did in DC was not ethical and most of all not what the public wants! That to me is the difference in all of this bru ha ha.
besides, hackett said he would not stand in the way of the others running for the house seat. I think this man when he gives his word he means it. That is the kind of man/woman we need in DC. Some one who will keep their word to us.
It’s nothign new. Both parties do it all the time.
I just saw the Republicans do it here in Washington state. They got rid of the primary candidates they don’t want to run against Maria Cantwell, and hand-picked the hugely wealthy CEO of Safeco because of his bottomless pockets and connections to powerful industry leaders.
And — may I note — I’ve seen ads for him now for a month on the local Seattle/Northwest TV stations. Cantwell’s people haven’t run a single ad in opposition.
(btw, he’s got the charisma of a rock. I hope that helps.)
In theory, this is how you would want a party to work. The whole purpose of a party is to get members of their party elected. So a party, in theory, SHOULD evaluate candidates and encourage some to run and discourage others from running. In a race against a strong member of the opposition they SHOULD be trying to clear the field of weak candidates in order to choose the candidate with the best chance of winning. After all, the purpose of a primary election is not necessarily to showcase democracy — its to pick a party candidate who can win the general election.
But the reality is that this power is abused and misused to such an extent that it ends up defeating them in the end. And, as this article makes, clear, the rank and file aren’t seeing ultimate wins. So why should any of us trust their judgment. Why not let US choose the candidate
Yes.
I mean, I thought the GOP had kind of blown it when they picked a stupid, inexperienced Texas governor in 1998, and dumped tons of money on him.
After all, they had infinitely better candidates and campaigners in John McCain, etc., etc.
But money sure helps.
As does a bro in Florida.
It’s hard to top money and name recognition.
A comment sure to make folks in PA scream. 🙂
I thought that’s what happened in PA? ??
I’m not advocating it. It was just an observation. I think people should run in primaries if they want to, whether they have official support, money or a known name.
I live in Dick Gephart’s old district and when he retired there were nine candidates on the Democratic ballot to replace him including two guys named Smith of all things. It’s a pretty safe Dem district so the whole fight was in the primary. Everyone “knew” that Russ Carnahan would win. He had the money, he had the name factor going for him and he was not controversial except for how boring he was. (But we wer used to that with Gephart). One of the Smiths came within one percent of beating him. He probably would have done it if there wasn’t another Smith on the ballot. He was a Dean Dozen candidate. He had no real money. It was the first time he had ever run for office. And he not only didn’t have name recognition — his name worked against him. So I’m not advocating always going with the money / name combination. It’s just what happens.
Susan, Brown, said that he didnt want the seat. That is why hackett went for it. Then all of a sudden, brown said he wanted to run…now what a perplexment that is for the two men involved. Appearently brown didnt consult hackett and therefore there was all this bru ha ha. plus the money involvement. I think that was secondary, vor what i heard that was Waxman was in CA telling all the backers of hackett to stop donating to his cause. Now just how ethical is all of this..no wnder that the dems are ona path to ruination.
Hear, hear, Susan! Aside from his “goodbye, cruel world” announcement, he should just go for it again, and win this time! He’s young enough he can shoot for the higher spots later. Just my .0002 worth.
Susan, thanks for posting this article. It deserves not one, but two or three reads. And then a lot of discussion.
Bowers is awfully sharp. I think that BooMan drinks liberally with him too.
he’s around every once in awhile
The problem with getting the seats first and getting rid of the Democrat right second is that you won’t get the seats unless the Dem right goes first. The Dem core isn’t going to come out and vote for a party that does not clearly differentiate itself from the GOP, and today’s national party plainly does not. The message that every unchallenged Lieberman sends is that the Democrats place party over principle.
Part of my theory requiers that the Dem core activist progressives put their brass knuckles away until 2010 and 2012, when we’ve got majorities and hopefully a Dem in the White House. Then we give ’em bloody hell, and bruises to boot.
It’s also important not to lump all races into the same class. I would fight hard not to elect another Lieberman as senator — because that is a six year term. That’s a long time. But a congressman? Two years is nothing. If I lived in a Republican district I’d take whatever I could get and then start working the day after the election to find another Democrat to run against him in two years. It puts pressure on the incumbent to keep his base (me) happy and maybe I’ll find a better candidate.
See that is what I mean. We here in TN are getting another leiberman in place of frist. Harold Ford is not any better than leiberman. I have looked up his voting record. not too terribly impressive to boot, except he votes republican lite. My very own dem congressman is a blue dog and he is that likewise. I am so sick and tired of not having representation, yet paying my taxes to these kind of men to hold office. I am really very sick of this shit.
Here in Indiana we were trying to create ways to get Washington to notice the campaign to legitimize it for funding but after all of this maybe it’s best we just stay under the radar and make do with what we can do on our own?
That really nails it. If I vote for a Republican, he won’t represent my interests. If I vote for a Democrat, he or she probably still won’t represent my interests. If I vote for a third party, I’m told I’m flushing my vote down the toilet, but I’m not terribly clear on the difference between that toilet and the first two. Any way I cut it, I end up without a voice in Congress.
(And Brenda, as a fellow Tennessean living in exile out west, I can say I share your concerns about any member of the hopelessly corrupt Ford clan holding office. I hope when Fitzgerald is done cleaning up Chicago that he’ll head to Memphis!)
The problem with that theory is that once we have a clear majority, both the congresscritters and the general public will become complacent. Activism is at its strongest well before the movement it is backing reaches its zenith.
It’s too soon for me to come to any sort of relevant conclusion about this whole situation for the simple reason that I don’t have enough facts upon which to base a relevant analysis.
But this lack of accurate information, the uncertainty about what the real story is here points to a huge general problem in my view.
It is this. Our own leaders in the Democratic party don’t seem to be able to level either with prospective candidates, or, more importantly, us, the people who’s votes they want and who they purport to represent. If they can’t even bring themselves to be honest and forthcoming with us as a matter of course, how can we expect them to be, in the end, different enough from the lying dirtbag Repubs to be worthwhile voting for them?
Maybe I’m wrong about this but the so-called strategy of the Democratic Leadership hasn’t produced a single meaningful victory anywhere since about 1998. So why are so many people giving thelikes of Schumer and Rendell and Reid and the rest of the Dem blowhards such deference? They’ve capitulated on every major issue for the last 5 years except the absurd Social Security privatization swindle proposed by Bush and the Mammon-worshipping Norquist crowd. And the only reason that thing is notstill moving forward is because too many Repubs opposed it also.
I hope by at least 2012 these equivocating hacks are all deposed and returned to the private sector.
just what i said elsewhere. irrespective of the reality of what happened, the perception is that the smoke-filled back-room machinations trumped the purity of the process of campaign, primaries and election…that the party leaders appeared to ignore the people and manipulated the system, and thereby, are no better than the rovian right we are attempting to fight.
even if brown wins (and that’s going to be an “iffy” proposition, as i bet the repubbbs are already working on a “why are democrats afraid of american servicemen?” meme), it looks like it’s politics as usual, the insiders run the show and real people have little to no influence on the party.
don’t hate me for bringing this up, but nader’s admonition that there’s no difference between the dems and repubbbs is only validated by this move by reid, schumer, et. al.
speaking of the swiftboating of hackett, they =the republicans were already saying he was a war criminal. Reason, cause he wasin Fugula (sp) now go figure on that one, will you!!!!!!
Yes! I have no way of knowing what Brown’s chances of winning against DeWine are, but I seem to recall that Hackett was polling better than Brown against DeWine.
And this again is the problem. Who will tell us the truth? I don’t trust Schumer or Reid or Emmanuel to tell me truth hardly any more than I expect an honest statement from a Bush regime sycophant.
Stupid question: Aren’t WE supposed to elect those who will represent us?
Isn’t that what primaries are all about???
Shoudn’t Hackett still run as a “wild cat”candidate?
I read all of Chris’ post, and also the one he linked to within it. I’m glad he linked to that, because I think it further highlighted his comments about how, as he and other uber-bloggers have moved up the hierarchy, they’ve lost touch with the rest of us. To quote:
The diary he linked to relates to his frustration that in his view, there was no effort from the blogosphere on Alito until Kerry stepped up, and he seemed to be wondering where all the bloggers had been before then and why no larger effort had been made. And I thought to myself how many of us here had spent the Thanksgiving week brainstorming for something to do to help fight Alito, and how we had all worked together to make the “12 Days of Justice” a cross-blog, wide community effort for all to see and participate in. An effort that had gone unnoticed by the “elite class” (and many others as well). I guess they weren’t paying attention in late December. Don’t they read anything on their own blogs, or is that too much of an annoyance? I wonder if we could have gotten more participation and exerted more pressure for NO votes if they had? Maybe, maybe not.
I’m glad that Chris recognized that the dismissive attitudes of the “elite” are part of the problem, but what can be done about it?
That paragraph jumped out at me too. And part of me completely could see his point about gradually growing more annoyed with and dismissive of the community; how he felt that way and wished he didn’t.
I understand your frustration about the 12 Days of Justice. Although part of the December problem may have been that it WAS December. After all, even elite bloggers have holiday stresses like the rest of us.
I however have no answer except that its clear that dialogue is needed.
With the 12 Days of Justice, I’m proud of what we all did. We really did work together on it from the start, and the folks at other smaller blogs cooperated too with front-paging our efforts, at a time when there really had been a lot of inter-blog nitpicking. I’m disappointed to know that the “elite” class aren’t paying enough attention to the rest of us to help coordinate efforts in an attempt to make issues visible to a wider audience. Especially when they later come back and say, “Why wasn’t anyone doing anyting?” To be fair, I still wonder why there was so little visible effort from the women’s groups, particularly given the timing of the vote with regard to the Roe anniversary.
You and me both.
I clicked through and read his other piece.
I’m not sure that the number of comments is really indicative of whether people are interested in an issue. It’s possible to post something that is totally worthless that will generate a lot of comments. Equally, a heart felt appeal might generate a number of comments. But then there are diaries and front page pieces that are well researched and well constructed, and they generate next to no comments. I’m not sure if that means that people aren’t reading them or if it means that people read them but find they have nothing to add. I know that quite often I read something that I like but don’t make any comment.
Something bothers me about this attitude toward comments. “I wrote; they didn’t come” therefore something must be wrong with them not me. I don’t think he meant that — consciously. Since he wasn’t talking about only himself. But it bothers me.
I think there were generally fewer comments on any diaries in the last 2 months. I’m not sure why. Sometimes, people have already said anything I might have added. Sometimes I get called away for something else before I can finish posting a comment. But of course, writers need their ego massaged now and then, too. 🙂
I think on Alito, and on other issues, there were too many pieces that sought to educate the blogosphere rather than engage the blogosphere. I think that on issues that bloggers think SHOULD be big issues they need to press it. They can’t just put up a diary or a post and then leave it – discuss among yourself. They need to engage people in the comments. And even flat out ask — why do you think people don’t seem interested in this when it seems like it should be a big issue.
Somebody said that here a few weeks ago when susan (I think) was asking for suggestions. They suggested more interaction. And that’s a good idea not just for community building but to focus the issues. Of course it means you have to challenge the people who are venting to more closely focus on whatever solution you are looking for.
It would be hard work. That’s probably why Armando gets his ego massaged more 🙂
The educate vs engage thing ties back into the hierarchy issue, doesn’t it? If you think you know everything, you get annoyed and dismiss people, instead of listening to what’s being said.
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I certainly wouldn’t advocate that everyone adopt the style of
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but I was really really impressed by a diary of SallyCat’s a week or so ago during the cartoon wars. She was amazing. I even asked her if she had professional training as a moderator.
It bothers me when people write diaries or front page pieces that elicit mostly a bunch of venting. People are frustrated. And part of the reason they are frustrated is because they feel that the only thing they CAN do is vent.
Maybe I’ll go back and look at that diary. Why do I find myself strangely relieved to have had the flu?
The frustration level IS running very high around here lately…
If Sallycat comes by the cafe I’ll ask her which one it was. I think it had “conversation” in the title.
This was SallyCat’s Diary: A Question – Coversation Continuation
I had read your comment on the skill with which SallyCat posted and hosted the diary. And I agree.
Thanks, I hotlisted it for reading tomorrow.
Bravo, Susan!
My only quibble is calling Rahm a progressive. Methinks not.
Me neither, Kahli. In the old days, we used to call that a “cop out.”
need to happen and they do not need to wait.
But…
Whether now or later, challenges to other democrats need to be few and far between, well thought out, and selectively done. There are 2 possible positive outcomes from challenging a dino. One is is simply replacing them with a progressive. The other is the fear card. Putting the fear into the other democrats that take us bumpkin hicks fer granite.
There are far too many truly atrocious Republicans that need to be defeated for us to spend too much time or energy looking for dino’s to defeat and messages to be sent but there should perhaps be one per campaign season.
This year it is Joe Lieberman.
It is also Christine Cegelis.
I think it was also Paul Hackett but for whatever reason he backed out of the fight which is very disappointing.
Support Christine Cegelis with all your might.
Defeat Joe Lieberman with all your might.
Contribute to the DNC.
Don’t give a penny to the DSCC or the DCCC.
And take seats on your local Democratic Committee. Let’s take this damn thing over.
From the link:
and from the posted portion:
Schumer and Clinton (I don’t even know who Rahm Emmanuel is) are the aristocracy of the progressive movement.
Are they progressives? Maybe they are. I don’t know.
Or are they establishment Democrats?
Thanks Susan for this. I went over and read Bowers post. It was informative to this neophyte. Helps me understand a bit of what has been going on here the last few days. My concern for what I see and hear creates doubts and fears that in turn create questions.
Will we ever be truly able to celebrate our differences? If the GOPers had been the source of some of the dialogue I have read here since Sunday, we would collectively be up in arms, wouldn’t we? Where has our much touted respect for others disappeared to? Are we so confident of our chances that we can afford to forget about being the party of inclusion? Are our current Party leaders so concerned with maintaining control that they turn away the new generation? Will we reject political support from those who have grown to see us as the better alternative, but do not share all of our values (yet)? Will we fail to define the common values we all share out of fear of offending some, or slighting others? Will we watch the emergence of a new third party doom us to another election cycle of being out of control of even one branch of the Federal Government?
The times require us to come together and find our common ground. Are we up to the challenge? These questions increase my anxiety, which in turn raises my blood pressure and interrupts my sleep. For once we need to recognize the unique opportunity presented to us by the opposition in the last year. We need to take maximum advantage while we still can. That requires cooperative responses to the dilemmas that surround us. I know we are capable of great things if we choose to focus on the common things that make us what we are.
My anger comes from the fact that one day after the one billion dollar election in November, candidates began to (carefully and quietly) send out feelers for the next one. In a supreme act of the tail wagging the dog, some “progressive” blogs even put forth polls on who would run for President four years hence in the first quarter of last year.
Coupla things the party should know, but apparently doesn’t:
First, I will choose the best candidate in a primary election for any office. I don’t need, and in fact abhor, any party’s endorsement of a candidate prior to those primaries. The fact that “leadership” chooses to limit my choice speaks volumes about their perception of the electorate.
Secondly, between rigging the choices, and constant campaigns, it’s no wonder we’re is sick and tired of being sick and tired. Class is the least of it. Noted above, there is no democracy to be found in the structure of today’s party politics.
Finally, I think the battle for power has engendered fear of loss in the powerful. Fine. Just go play in your own yard in D.C. The rest of us are informed and educated enough to make our own damn decisions without your help.
Bumpkins of the world unite!
(Note: I say that as a lower-middle-class putz who somehow managed to get a Ph.D. Being around a few more of those of elite backgrounds during my grad school days only further solidified my distrust of elites.)