by Patrick Lang (bio below)
I was sent this pair of “Army Times” articles (.pdf) by a friend now serving in the military advisory effort in Iraq. These stories give a good picture of what is happening on the ground country wide. I have advocated this kind of approach for several years and so am happy to see it progressing.
I do have a few comments on the “understanding” expressed in the stories of what the analogous situation was like in South Viet Nam.
It will be interesting to see if the country (Iraq) can pull itself together enough to sustain what they are building. I would say that the outcome in that area is still in doubt.
As for VN, Anthony Cordesmann (a brilliant scholar) doesn’t really know anything about the war there except what he has read, which is a lot. In fact, the early advisory efforts in that country failed because the communist army (NVA) that had defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu, was brought to the South to deal with increasing SVN capability. This was in 1964. All of a sudden in that year, Special Forces (SF) led irregulars and the half trained Army of the Republic of Viet Nam (ARVN) found themselves facing regimental sized units of highly skilled regulars under the command of men who had defeated a major European army ten years before. Before that happened they had been fighting the guerrillas of the local Viet Cong. … Continued below …
Incidentally, the ARVN was never trained by SF. There was a Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) in country from start to finish who did that. The unit advisers with ARVN units all belonged to the MAAG.
SF trained tribals and villagers in the boondocks to try to organize what amounted to counter-guerrillas at the village level. This also failed because the camps that were the bases for that activity were under continual pressure and frequent assault by the NVA. The villages could not be organized because the SF and their men were engaged in Ranger type light infantry operations rather than in doing counterinsurgency work among the people of the countryside. SF led Civilian Irregular Defense Group (CIDG) troops were, in effect, a separate army which fought the NVA in the vast woods and mountains of Indochina.
US Maneuver units attempted to destroy the NVA in the major battles of 1965-1967. This produced a lot of big fights but not much movement because the enemy always brought forward more men from North Vietnam to make up their losses.
A reversion to counterinsurgency occurred in 1967 with the creation of CORDS.
The MAAG continued to supply all the advisers to the very end. It was claimed there (in Vietnam), as well, that service as an adviser counted as much in one’s career as service in a US unit. This proved not to be true.
Pat Lang
Col. Patrick W. Lang (Ret.), a highly decorated retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces, served as “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism” for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and was later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service. Col. Lang was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point. For his service in the DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” He is a frequent commentator on television and radio, including MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann (interview), CNN and Wolf Blitzer’s Situation Room (interview), PBS’s Newshour, NPR’s “All Things Considered,” (interview), and more .
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the forced viligization program didnt help much in Vietnam either. As in Vietnam, what happens in Iraq will probably also depend upon who the ordinary people side with.
As in South East Asia how the embedded US and local forces get along will also remain important. The statements of Kong Lee, after leading a “neutralist” coup, on the relationship between US “advisers” and his elite Lao force still remain pertinent.
I can´t tell you how angry I am reading your comments Patick Lang. They are so dumb. There is no other word.
Underlying your brillant commentary is the idea that the US could have won the war in Vietnam and they could win the war….or whatever they imagine it is they are doing in Iraq…..if they had done things right.
Vietnam won. They are doing well. They are not trying to dominate…dominoe they rest of their locale. How utterly insipid of you to suggest that the USA had any reason to be involved in Vietnam or Iraq. Neither nation ever presented a threat.
You and the rest of the intelligence community, continue to fascinate me with your appearance of competence which extends no farther than a limited but very “professional” sounding vocabulary. >I love all the abbreviations for the dummies that make up all these groups.
The idea of aMERICAN TRoops being embedded with Iraqi soldiers for a year. And you lived in the Mid East. You could be from Duluth Mn and know better. THe Iraquis are inherently superior to the American troops because it is their country the Americans are in…you fool. They are playing with the AMericans, it´s a joke. Americans are country bumbkins in Iraq. Most of the American troops are bumpkins.
Why don´t you REAlly learn another language. For a person…thats what you are….who claims to know so much about the Mid East….you must be talking about Ohio or something.
Hang up your spikes and humble yourself with conversations from the people whose lives have been runied by the ilk of agencies from which you and others have been empoyed.
“SF trained tribals and villagers in the boondocks to try to organize what amounted to counter-guerrillas at the village level. This also failed because the camps that were the bases for that activity were under continual pressure and frequent assault by the NVA.”
So Mr. Lang, it had a chance of non-failure in the absence of an actual alternative government in Saigon? What structure were those tribals and villagers going to join? The fake government in Saigon that the US made out of the crap the French left behind? If the tribals and villagers had become a coherent force, the Rangers would have had step up to do what the NVA didn’t.