In the spring of 1917, Hotochee, my grandmother’s 14-year-old sister, stood barefoot in the spongy soil on the north shore of Lake Ochochobee and married Davis, an 18-year-old farmer’s son. Three months later, just before his own son was born, Davis enlisted in the Army. In October, he was shipped to France. Nobody knows if he got to Paris. By Christmas he had disappeared during an artillery barrage a couple of hundred yards from the German trenches. Gone. Never seen again.
Hotochee never remarried. Until she died in 1966, she spent a half-century waiting for Davis to come home. It wasn’t that she didn’t know in her head that he had probably been turned to fleshy shrapnel by the Kaiser’s guns. But her heart made her look hopefully every time a man came into her line of sight.
My stepfather’s youngest brother, Raymond, was an Army translator on the border between East and West Germany. From his Cold War perch, he monitored radio traffic from the east, listening for something useful or alarming to tell his superiors. In the spring of 1965, he and his wife went swimming in a cold mountain lake just a day before they were to fly to the States. He got a cramp and sank out of sight. They never found his body. On her deathbed 30 years later, his mother told all around her to keep a lookout for Raymond, whom she always had refused to believe had drowned.
In autumn of 1983, during a court-ordered visit, my wife’s ex-husband stole away with their two toddlers, and, traveling on phony passports easily acquired from anti-Soviet Afghan fund-raisers in San Francisco, took them to Libya, where they lived the next 15 years, kept from a single minute’s conversation with their mother. For the three-and-a-half weeks she didn’t know where they were, my wife says she frantically looked for and “saw” them everywhere. In fact, as I witnessed until their reunion seven years ago, even though she knew they were in Libya, she still half-expected to see them appear from behind some corner.
Six months after Katrina swept away lives and livelihood (as well as the last shred of doubt that the Bush Administration cares about anything other than money and power) 1926 people are still missing. More than 120 are children. Although the numbers have gone steadily down – 10 more names came off the list Tuesday – as many as half or more of these missing people may never be found. I can imagine 1000 mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, husbands and wives, looking up expectantly for the next five or 50 years, waiting, waiting, for that person who will never come. Without seeing the body, the glimmer of hope can’t be extinguished, the wound remains raw.
I spoke Monday with Robert Johannessen, Communications Director for the Louisiana Department of Health & Hospitals, where the Find Family National Call Center is keeping the tally:
MB: How many of those still missing do you think will turn up?
RJ: That’s impossible to say for certain. But if you’re asking me how many of them are dead, I would have to say several hundred. Easily several hundred.
MB: So the official death toll [1,103 bodies found as of today] could possibly double before you’re done?
RJ: Well, sir, yes, it could.
MB: Are you still finding bodies?
RJ: Yes. I expect when the lower Ninth Ward gets dug out completely, we may find quite a few there.
MB: And the rest?
RJ: Some were washed out to sea, some were buried where we are never going to find them.
MB: Several people have speculated that the government is covering up the real death toll, that many thousands of people actually died as a consequence of Katrina. You work for the government. Any idea where people would get such an idea?
RJ: Sir, I don’t know. I believe we have the most accurate count of any large death toll ever. To tell the truth, I think rampant speculation by many people, and I have to say, speculation fueled by mayors and other government officials, probably helped spread those rumors. Our agency got charged with reporting accurate numbers. We never speculated. We counted. But, sir, you have to remember that we had … have … so much displacement of victims. Victims who survived but were displaced. Rumors can take root in that and grow.
MB: When will you make a final tally?
RJ: There are no plans to shut down the call center. I expect it could be another six or even 18 months before we identify all the bodies as well as find those who are displaced but [still listed as] missing.
Even for the most resilient person who lost family because of Katrina or the government screw-ups surrounding that disaster, Mardi Gras can’t be quite as joyously raucous this year. Knowing your spouse or parent or child is dead because a body has been definitively identified is tough enough. But, not knowing for sure, and not knowing if you’ll ever know for sure, must be ten thousand times harder. Only one who has lived with that special pain can fully comprehend it.
An acquaintance of mine was recently involved in an exhumation of massacre victims in Guatemala. As with most of these recently begun operations, there are two goals in mind: bringing peace, or as popular psychology puts it, “closure,” to the victim’s kin; and if the forensics pan out to their fullest, bringing justice to their murderers.
I can rage at the unlikelihood of the latter and yet be so glad to see the succor that victims’ families gain just from knowing, knowing for sure that those bones with that bracelet were those of a missing daughter or aunt, and now she’s found.
We didn’t need The Federal Response to Hurricane Katrina: Lessons Learned or Failure of Initiative to tell us how the who-me? boneheads in charge of our security couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a flashlight. We watched it unfold thanks to an astonishingly out-of-character media that decided not to be embedded in the Administration’s propaganda apparatus for a few days.
Of course, Gulf Coast dwellers saw all this firsthand. And they still see the impact of it every day, as they gut their houses and dig out their lawns or sit wondering where they’ll live once FEMA kicks them out of their trailers. Eventually, for most, memories of Katrina will fade, though I suspect the sour taste of betrayal and bungling will last longer.
For the kin of the missing, however, every day from now until forever will be one of pain and hope. My heart goes out to you.
‘Failure of Initiative’ my ass….failure to care, failure to have a heart, failure to do the right thing, failure to have any sense of leadership, failure to accept responsibility, failure to be even half way competent, failure to feel the slightest sense of shame for what happened, failure to follow through on any kind of ‘initiative’ to repair the Gulf Coast and the levees,…the report should have be titled ‘Failure to Give a Shit’.
The continued emotional disaster for so many people is beyond comprehension with no end in sight.
My question is, what can WE do? BushCo will not seek out the missing 1900 and end the lifetime of horror of their family and friends. If nothing else, we, en masse, can storm the Congress with emails. Flood them with our outrage-let them know we will not stand for their inaction toward our brothers in sisters missing in the Gulf Coast. And, oh, yes, there is the issue of their election, or not, in 06 and 08.
Email for Senators of the 109th Congress
Email House of Representatives
Let US hold them accountable!
Look!…Over here!…Mardi Gras!!!
The Rude Pundit opines re: The White House Katrina Report: Bush Ain’t To Blame.
I’m speechless…
Peace
Buiding everything but a hospital for the uninsured and attempting to try for a Mardi Gras. I’m shocked–NOT! Another reason why a single payer is needed…as you can tell, I am really into this Medicare D(isaster) and single payer!
That anyone, anywhere in the United Fucking States of American has to endure the pain of a broken arm and “hope it heals” is insane. Just fucking insane. I hope all those rich folk down there have a fucking great time celebrating Mardi Gras while others suffer silently two blocks away. Shame on this once great nation.
You’re right. Broke my nose once (just at the tip) and that was all they could tell me. It healed, but was damn painful, same w/a broken toe and ribs…I can’t even imagine how painful a broken arm allowed to “heal on its own” would be. (Being somewhat of an outdoorsy person entails an accident now and then.)
There seems to be no clear consensus from New Orleanians on whether having Mardi Gras was appropriate or not. The reasons why not I think we can all understand. The reasons why seem to be as a way of healing, of thumbing one’s nose at the universe and saying, “we’re still here.” And of expressing anger. Apparently blue tarps were a major float theme. And of course, the city, especially small businesses that are barely hanging on, needs the money.
Check out this description in Salon:
Thanks for that bit of info and link. It certainly doesn’t make the conditions more palatable or justifiable, but it helps, mentally, to know that there is resistance, especially that it’s coming from those most affected and oppressed.
Peace
Dada, NPR is doing a series with Karen Rigsby Bates (I think I’m screwing her name up) – I heard a bit of it this AM – I think this is where I heard about how the blue tarp is the new flag of New Orleans.
I read so much stuff I can’t remember half the time where I read things. Some other MSM paper did a good piece today too – LAT or NYT.
About the Catch-22 of trying to rebuild – you have to prove your neighborhood is “viable” by showing that sufficient numbers of people are moving back, but there are no guarantees if you do the work that your neighborhood will make the cut and won’t get turned into “green space” because of flooding risks.
The neighborhood profiled is Broadmore. Article here
…a week or so of the disaster. Some people tried to argue that it wouldn’t happen that way. I don’t see them around at the moment.
Kinda like Iraq, no?
Another one of those times when being able to say “I told you so” isn’t all that satisfying…
Excellent article MB.
I cannot even begin to tell you how Katrina looks from outside this country. I remember what the Iranian media were saying, something along the lines of “see? the mighty USA can’t even take care of it’s own!”. Even here in much friendlier Romania, the people were extremely puzzled. Doesn’t the USA of all countries have the money and resources to help?
In 2005 there were a series of devastating floods in Romania, thousands of people were displaced and many villages destroyed. Romania is a poor country and yet EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people have been taken care of by the gov’t. There isn’t anyone in a tent, with no medical care to interview because they don’t exist.
I know how and why Bushco failed the people of New Orleans. What I don’t understand is why the American people aren’t more outraged at this. If the gov’ts of Iran and Romania and El Salvador and Nicaragua and Pakistan didn’t work to their utmost limits to help victims of natural disasters there would be RIOTS in the street. There would be a change of government due to protests.
How is it that people have the guts to protest even in police dictatorships like Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Syria but nothing ever seems to be enough of a reason to get Americans in the street?
Pax
There are some things that words cannot, and maybe should not, express. Thank you for mentioning that particular aspect of the operation. So many countries, poor countries, tried, said, in effect, please, if you don’t want to save them, let us. We may not have much but let us do what we can, save as many as we can.
The answer was “no.”
And thanks to Meteor Blades, for the diary. Of course none of us can know the real number of the “missing,” the real number of those who until the day they draw their last breath will “look hopefully every time a man (or woman) comes into their line of sight.”
I’ve always been horrified by competion among suffering people. “My pain is worse than yours.” “
My situation is the most desparate ever.” As if suffering could be quantified. As if an extra .000002798% on the misery scale made a difference.
That said, I found the images of the suffering of the people in the South after Katrina to be among the most of horrific I can remember. Certainly, part of it is unconcious jingoism over the plight of citizens of “my” homeland. Certainly some of it was the fear that the government’s horrible performance induced. (Gosh, it could happen to me in a disaster!) Certainly, it was partly because the MSM really doesn’t cover the suffering in other parts of the world very well. (Darfur, Congo, etc.) But the images of the frail and elderly waiting on the roof of Charity Hospital waiting for helicopters that never came are seared in my soul forever.
Incompetence did irreparable harm initially to the citizens of the South. Now I’m afraid attention deficit on the part of the government and the public will prolong the suffering.
Great diary, Meteor.
To many white Americans, and to every person of color in the US, American or not, even those who “keep up with the news,” and are opposed to US policies, I think there was an undeniable and unexpected shock and awe value, the “unconscious jingoism” as you call it, for some, for others simple incredulity that the richest country in the world would do this to their own, this especially among those who are aware of, as soj points out in her comment, something of a disconnect between the US perception as opposed to the international, for instance people who might think of the Central Americans making human chains to pass food and water over mountains and down and up gorges to their neighbors in inaccessible villages. Or people in Turkey and Iran and Mexico, and more recently, Pakistan, digging at rubble with their bare hands in a desperate attempt to free people they didn’t even know.
And for those more thoughtful Americans who like millions of their countrymen, live three or less checks, or one illness or injury from the street, other questions are unavoidable. Would I have enough resources to get my family out? Gas? A dependable car? Cash or room on a credit card for a several day stay in hotels, and restaurants who have graciously increased prices for the occasion?
And with the terrifying clarity of hindsight, the realization that it would not be a stay of several days, but of several weeks to months.
Since we are talking about the more thoughful sector here, we can pretty much count on those thoughts running to how well things worked out for the more affluent in New Orleans. People with ample resources to stay in hotels, plenty of folks nearby, of the same economic class, who were glad to put them up for a while, Lord knows space is not a problem, no one will be cramped, or inconvenienced.
And even the relatively few affluent who did remain in the city were well taken care of. Blackwater was on the ground from Day One. They did a great job, really understood the situation, the difference between the owner of a fine old home doing a bit of adventurous recnonaisance of this or that comfort item or condiment that may have been in short supply in the otherwise well-stocked pantry, and savage looters trying to break into stores in the French Quarter. If they didn’t have enough water in what was their shabby little shack in the Ninth Ward, maybe they should have evacuated. Don’t tell me they couldn’t. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. This is America, and nobody is poor unless they are just too lazy to work hard. Doubt they’re really looking for water anyway. Jewelry, electronics, something they can sell to get their drugs.
Would I, the thoughtful American in Peoria, or Denver, or San Francisco cannot stop the thought – Would I qualify for help? Would the Blackwater guys be helping me to break into the drugstore to get daddy’s pills, or shooting me for trying?
Because that is what makes the distinction in societies like this. Are you behind, or in front of the gunman?
And of course now, they are getting ready to have a party down in the Quarter, too much of this depressing stuff, its bon temps roulez time. This very special Mardi Gras offers a sparkling glimpse of what the New City will be like. Cleaner, more family-friendly. Whiter.
It is hard enough for those thoughful Americans to have to wonder what their own fate would be, if they would be behind the gunman, or facing the muzzle of his weapon.
Incompetence. That has to be why it all happened. It just has to be.
Of course it’s incompetence, it certainly couldn’t have anything to do with indifference or I-meism (decades, in fact CENTURIES, thereof), and I doubt it has anything to do with the fact that, all protestations to the contrary, the American people still do not acknowledge Blacks as “Americans”, perhaps not even as humans, as members of the “family of man”.
Besides. Black history month is over, time to again turn our attention to the souls of white folk and the blessings our great white father in heaven has bestowed upon us.
Mark my words, DTF, this has nothing to do with race. Absolutely nothing. It’s just sheer coincidence that 93% of those who have been unable to return to NOLA happen to be black. Luck of the draw, you know.
Actually, you make several very good points. You often challenge me to take my thinking to another level.
Even “thinking” Americans are given to denial. I believe that many recognize that imcompetence was not the only issue at work. Many are willing to recognize that class had a lot do to with who suffered most. I think the real reluctance comes with looking at the issue of race — or at the very least the nexus of race and class.
Then, of course, there is that great American ‘can do’ spirit, that rugged individualism. Although it has some upside in our culture, it definitely contributes to a “blame the victim” mentality at times. This I believe is a fear response. There must me something “wrong” with those who didn’t save themselves. There must be because contemplating our own powerelessness in certain situations is terrifying.
One news story prior to the hurricane even hitting involved a couple who was taking their kid to college in N.O. When they heard about the approaching storm, they hired a limo to drive them to Chicago at a cost of several thousand dollars. I thought it was kind of embarassing even before the storm hit. It sounded pretty obscene afterward.
As for Mardi Gras, I can’t be too critical of those who wanted it to go on. The human spirit longs for hope and relief in the worst of times. I fear you are right though, that the new New Orleans will be scrubbed and sanitized and unwelcoming to the poorest and darkest of its (former?) residents.
You nailed it. And there is concrete evidence of this ALL OVER the liberal blogosphere. It is frankly what concerns me most.
As I have stated again and again, I don’t expect the incomprehensible 39% to ever, ever, ever cast off the shackles of blindness and stupidity–they are addicted to believing they are the “chosen ones”, god’s gift to fucking inhumanity.
But the fact that even thinking Americans still to this day have such a hard time facing up to the reality of profound, deeply seated, racism that is de facto a foundational pillar in the construction of identity in this country….it’s very frightening. Very disheartening. I give up.
Back to my Hobbit Hole in the Hood. It’s a great place to be, actually.
I don’t know how old you are, but for my generation (born in ’69) our schooldays were filled with feel-good documentaries about the victory of the civil rights movement and shots of lunch counters, dogs, and burning crosses. It had positive effects, in that it made racism seem to be a totally invalid belief system to have. But it two negative consequences. First, it declared ‘Mission Accomplished’ and we were not called on to do any more work, and secondly, it alienated us from the older generation. They were as ‘other’ and as alien as the Nazis seemed to be in their jackboots. We couldn’t see that we might harbor the same feelings just by virtue of a shared humanity.
In the end, my generation thought the battle was over, that we were better than that, and we thought anyone that dwelled on the past was failing the enjoy the fruits of the present.
It was the Alex Keaton syndrome.
Exactly that is a major part of the problem! BINGO!
I remember these images of this little black kid in shiney patent leather shoes and a nice suit (from Sears Roebuck? Probably not from Saks!) hopping up and down the steps of some big DC edifice (The WHITE house?) with the slogan something like “we’re all the same inside”.
Well, that’s BULLSHIT. We aren’t all the same inside. The psychological, social and economic effects of centuries of racism have made it so that we are NOT all the same inside. We have ALL been effected and afflicted by this shit, just in different ways.
And pointing these things out cannot be reduced to what I call the “battle of the most martyred minority” (i.e. my suffering is worse than yours). It is a matter of facing up to the “aftermath” of genocide and slavery–and we are all effected by that aftermath, though in different ways. In non-minority communties, the “aftermath” is evident in these residual traces of racism that are so hard to identify precisely because they are so deeply ingrained. There has never been a serious effort on the part of the populace to “cleanse” themselves of these things, to heal from the wounds of genocide, slavery and racism that have been inflicted on the so-called “majority” population, i.e. white people.
These issues, with regard to the Native American community and the “aftermath” of centuries of genocide and displacement, are very clearly and succinctly outlined in the book “Native American PostColonial Psychology” by Duran/Duran.
In many cases, the same or similar issues are applicable to African American communities. Sometimes I think that non-minority people could also benefit from learning about these things and that this might help make clear to them just where the little scraps of racism still reside in them. That is, studying the aftermath of racism and genocide as it afflicts the minority populations might just give the majority population some insights into how they can heal themselves and cure themselves of the racism that they have been encouraged by their government, their society and the whole social fabric to deny because, after all, with the Civil Rights movement, as you say, it was Mission Accomplished.
America somehow managed to avoid going through the process of “recovery” from genocide that Germany was forced to go through after WWII. Admittedly, that process has not been perfect in Germany and I would be the last to claim that Germany has completely recovered from its Nazi past. But the effort has been made and it is ongoing. The whole fabric of German society was basically preoccupied with this issue from the 60s up until the turn of the century. They never had that “mission accomplished” moment of which you speak (though there are some who have begun framing German opposition to the Iraq War as that sort of “mission accomplished” moment–ie. ‘see, we really aren’t war-mongers after all’).
(FYI: I was born 1961, btw; spent first 10 yrs of life as child of American Indian alcholic welfare mom, in the “hood”, then began the long haul through the institutional system, including a series of millionaire (no I’m not exaggerating) foster homes in HIGHLY exclusive neighborhoods and social contexts. And the only reason I’m blathering on about that is to point out that the world does look very different when one has lived–esp in the ‘formative’ years–on both sides of the proverbial ‘tracks’. Based on that experience, my assessment of the situation is pretty much this: in the aftermath of racism and genocide, it is actually the “minority” communities that have come out of it with more of their sanity and ‘mental health’ intact–the white exclusive wealthy ones are the sick motherfuckers š (pls scuse my French), but since they’re the ones with the money, they’re better able to cover up their affliction and make themselves look “normal” and “healthy”.
But, ALL of us–ALL Americans have suffered in the aftermath of genocide and slavery. WE are SICK. We are. (See also Soj’s comment about how incomprehensible our response to Katrina is to the rest of the world). And as long as we keep denying it, we will never heal. That is the point I keep trying to make and it never seems to fail: I always get pegged by someone as being a racist and hate monger for attempting to make that point.
One of the reasons I left the country was that I was afraid of what I knew was coming with Reagan. I’d classify that move as part of the “urban refugee” movement NLinSP keeps talking about: i.e. I KNEW I would not survive the Reagan Era, given my precarious position on the border b/w poverty and prosperity. )
If I can try to offer some constructive advice without sounding patronizing (never an easy task):
I think the reason you get accused of racism has a lot to do with not knowing your audience, so to speak. As a white male from an upper middle class background I have my own areas of sensitivity. And I’ve probably read some form of pretty much every argument about race from the far left to the far right. It is not your arguments that can strike me as fingernails on a chalkboard, but your tone.
Essentially, I don’t need the shock value because I already know the arguments. And even though I know which argument you are laying out at a particular time, I have a hard time getting past the attempts to throttle me out of a complacency that I don’t have.
It helps to know where someone is coming from.
Sometimes your presentation suffers from the same faults that a white person’s does when they start out giving their credentials: ‘I have lots of black friends’. While that is not an irrelevent fact when talking about one’s feelings on race, it tends to make people roll their eyes.
People even go so far as to suggest that anyone that begins a conversation with a line like that has already betrayed that they don’t get it.
So, my advice is to know your audience. A good comedian doesn’t give the same show in Biloxi that he gives in New York. They adjust their presentation.
Just as we agreed last week that if someone tells you are being dismissive you probably are, if you continually get accused of racism your message is off.
Audience.
Of course, Boo, in principle you are right, and this is solid advice–if there is anything patronizing about it, it would be the idea that, as someone who has been in the business and habit of writing for over 30 yrs now, professionally for the last ten or so), I haven’t given substantial thought to this aspect of the beast.
First: I have a passionate, passionate penchant for polemics–it was one of the things I liked about German politics, discourse, cultural fabric, etc.. One cannot possibly spend 10 yrs in Germany w/o picking up some of that good ol’fashioned German belligerence (I’m especially fond of the German-Jewish strain of what one scholar has called “caustic cultural commentary”: Henryk Broder, for example, is a master of the genre–I don’t always agree with him, but I admire his caustic, in-your-face-tone]. Americans, it seems, through polemics out the window about the same time they declared “mission accomplished” on civil rights and racism. I didn’t. Europe didn’t. A lot of other places didn’t. A few Americans didn’t. But generally, and certainly by the time of Reagan, this suppression of anything negative set in–no matter how TRUE or necessary– I have come to call this “nice-iness”. It suppresses OUTRAGE. I don’t know: maybe I should change my screenname to “polemicist”, but I thought thinking people might be clued in by the “starkravinglunaticradical” tag. Dunno.
OK. So you say maybe I’m not being as “effective” as I might be, in this audience. But I don’t write for an “audience”, boo, I write to express truths, as I see them, based on my experience in the world.
If it were so that the critique of my writing, my tone and my style were 100% negative–if every one of my readers (both here on the blogs and in my published writing) agreed; in fact, if it were such that I got very little positive response to my writing, I would consider changing the tone and style. But that is not the case. It just isn’t.
Let’s take this one article as an example; it has been published twice (first by Race Traitor, then by a now defunct journal called Colors; it was accepted for publication in an anthology edited by a well-known and highly respected Latina scholar, Gloria Anzaldua, tho that project never came to fruition–partly due to the “turn to the right”).
In its original version it was much, much more polemical than the current one–I have toned it down substantially, along the lines you suggest.
For years, ever since it first appeared, I have been receiving hate mail over this, usually decrying me as a racist motherfucking, ethnonazi bullshitter fascist bitch (direct quotes).
100% of these responses have come from white people.
At the same time, I regularly receive feedback along the lines of “thank you for saying this,” “this really resonates with my experience,” “I feel a strong affinity with you on this,” “you go girl!”, “REPRESENT!”
90% of that feedback comes from people in communities of color.
And this one article is indeed reflective of the general tendency in response to all of my writing, published or unpublished.
I am aware of the fact that the standards for ‘civility’, ‘sensitivity’, ‘taste’ and even ‘sense of humor’ in the liberal blogosphere are those set primarily by white working-to-middle-to-upper class men, you cannot deny this. Primarily, not exclusively.
These are not my standards, and, if the response of my communit/ies to my writing is any index, they are not the standards of my communit/ies. Essentially what you are saying is, if you wish to address me in my community, you must do so with sensitivity to my standards. That’s not an unreasonable request, but it’s not one I can comply with entirely: if not as a matter of principle, then as a matter of penchant (for polemics).
And indeed, I have sought to ‘tone down’ my writing enough to be at least within bounds.
However, pls note that in my communit/ies, the following conversation would not be a rarity:
There are a lot of people who would see in that statement a helluva lot of truth, and in fact, I’ve gotten plenty of RFTLMAOs for it. However, I have compromised to the extent that I would not necessarily use that kind of language for attempting to communicate with anyone outside a very small circle of very pissed off people of color. I cite it here as an example of the kind of talk that does indeed go on, and go on a LOT in communities of color.
What it boils down to is: on whose terms are these issues going to be hashed out? Whose standards must I adhere to in order to make my slightly “unconventional” and for many people “brutal” truths known? To make them heard?
As I said, if the critique were universal–if I didn’t have any enthusiastic readers, believe me, I’d change my style. Because I am a writer and writers need to be read.
When the editors quit publishing the shit, when I quit getting positive response to my splatterings on the blogs ;-), I’ll pull my ass cheeks together and quit “letting it all hang out” (as stanley fish recently put it, albeit in an entirely different context, cf. Our Faith in Letting it All Hang Out)
Until then, I can do no more than continuing to say what I have to say the way I need to say it. And I’ll have to accept that I will inevitably continue to get punched in the face for it (metaphorically or otherwise), but there I take my cue from Vine DeLoria Jr.
Of course, it would be easier if I only belonged to “one community” whose suppositions needed challenging, but I don’t.
But there are plenty of others–yourself included–who are able to say these things in a manner that the liberal blogosphere needs to have them packaged.
Based on the responses I get from many people to precisely the things that many people here object to, there are also a lot of people who NEED to hear some of these things expressed as forcefully and perhaps “offensively” , at any rate, as “brutally” and “no-nice-inessly” as I express them. I have heard this too many times to change that. Reading this kind of polemic (and writing it) can indeed be a healing experience for some of the people suffering from the aftermath of genocide and slavery. I have been told too many times by people in this category that they have benefitted from my writing, and precisely because it is so in-your-face.
As always, I appreciate your willingness to allow for many different kinds of chirping here in the frogpond.
My critique was not meant to tell you to stop doing this or that. It was about answering a comment you made about getting punched in the nose and accused of racism.
Floridagal got punched in the nose for making a comment about Dean not being able to give gays everything they might want.
Sometimes punches in the nose have a common feature. We could call it tone-deafness. You are very good at finding it in others, but you send off quite a bit of it yourself.
And that was my basic point.
It’s hard to apply the same standards to yourself that you apply to others, and you might not even see it as a worthy goal in the instance of communicating a minority point of view to majority audience. But it is a factor to consider in figuring out ‘why all the nose punching?’
And for what its worth, your polemic style is highly developed. It’s the little details that I think are causing the pugilism.
Last time I can recall having deliberately punched someone in the nose, it was when I hauled off and hit the big fat white bully guy in the 6th grade. I ended up on my ass with a fat lip, and what is worse, had to spend a whole week of recess periods stuck in the same room with that stupid little whiny motherfucker.
Since then, I cannot recall ever having suggested that anyone should be punched in the face or exposed to any other form of violence (except when quoting DeLoria as above) based on something that person has said or done. (Correct me if my memory has failed me once again! seems to be a common excuse for a lot of things these days).
If I have ever punched anyone in the nose, it has been the inadvertent consequence of my attempt to “let the bastards know I’ve been there”. Sorry. š
killjoy was here.
i thought we were talking figuratively here.
floridagal got punched in the nose by several people. My which I mean, several people took offense at the way she phrased something, and maybe even just disagreed with her and said so forcefully.
We all do it from time to time.
I guess I don’t see merely taking offense at an opinion as necessarily a “punch in the nose”–a punch in the nose is when you are called “fucking asshole”, racist, hate-monger, ethnofascist bitch (need I go on?).
But I also don’t want to continue hijacking this Katrina thread for a Meta session. So. Nough said.
(Sorry MB…)
I take your point.
Still, I look at a punch in the nose as when people become very critical of what you’ve written and start questioning you, suggesting that maybe you don’t like certain groups of people or you don’t support certain issues.
You’re right that it is certainly worse when people throw out nasty names in the process.
If I ever get old and senile, I’ll go back and count the number of times I have resorted to name calling and utterly, overtly abusive behavior on the net and compare that to the string of invectives and hateful screed generated in response to my writing and attempt to sift the savagery from the civility. I suspect that I will come out on the civil end of that count.
For now, I take the advice I got from an old Black man in DC in response to the first wave of controversy I was embroiled in on the Net (surrounding the article I cited above):
“If you’re not willing to make any enemies, you may miss the chance for making some very good friends.”
I consider him one of them. And his friendship is worth every enemy I’ve made (inadvertently of course) in the process of gaining his friendship.
Just one more thing, boo: what I keep trying to point out is that, because I am in many ways also a product of that same background, I know what sensitivities you are talking about.
From age 10 onward, I was persistently bouncing back and forth between not the upper middle class world of white males and the Hood, but rather the upper (and in fact, upper, upper) class world of white males. I have an MA from the university of fucking chicago, for pete’s sake!
I know this world. In many ways, I am part of it–and a productive part of it. But as I enter this world, I am saying: you take me on my terms–I will not strip ever trace of my identity as a child of the Hood and of the Welfare line as a precondition to acceptance in this community. I have compromised as much as I can.
As I have stated again and again: my life is and must be situated on the border between ghetto and gucci, and in order for that to happen, yes, I need to make compromises on both sides (do you know how much flack I get from the Indian community for even TRYING to talk to “white middle class” men? Seriously. It’s like, “quit wasting your time,” ‘they ain’t never gonna get it,” etc.); but I also demand that compromise and accommodation come from the “other side”–and in many cases, it actually does.
It’s like the guy who’s always telling us to “wake the fuck up.” And I always want to reply, as opposed to…what, exactly? “No, thanks, I’ll just stay the fuck asleep.”
Which believe me, feels like a real tempting option at times…
I was actually replying to a post wayyyy up this thread. Not to Stark’s post immediately above mine.
I keep thinking of the decades of neglect of New Orleans and other cities that makes our urban areas one natural disaster away from the frightening reality that was Katrina.
I told this story in a comment last weekend, so excuse me if its a repeat for some of you. But I work with a young black man who grew up in NO and left a few years ago on a college scholarship to play basketball in Duluth, MN. I can’t even begin to imagine that transition!! When I asked him about how/why he did that, he told me that as he looked around at his friends, he knew that if he was going to survive – he had to GET OUT. And he took the one opportunity to do so that came along.
So our urban areas have been producing REFUGEES long before Katrina. The abandonment of our cities has been going on since at least the Reagan era and is at a breaking point.
pls keep repeating this point, NL.