Consideration or Implosion? Pick one!
The women and men of Boomantribune are calling for an effective counter attack. Well, I know of no better method of developing an effective counter attack than a method that would use the principles and links discussed below the fold of this diary.
But before we get into that I’d like to make some preliminary comments;
Progressive Implosion? Well, what the hell else would you call an opposition movement that seems to be collapsing in on itself?
Think about it folks. Think about all the diaries and comments you’ve read over these past several weeks.
Think about;
The Disappeared bloggers, Long-time bloggers gone on sabbatical, Upset formerly-active bloggers lurking-only, Active bloggers commenting less frequently, and another 3000 members prefer “read only”… (no doubt many of them would have some wisdom to add if’n it wasn’t for the blog-quicksands .)
I ask you WTF ever happened to CONSIDERATION?
Tell me. Where did it go?
Since it appears that we’re headed into some very rough waters, in nearly all aspects of our lives, IMO we are going to have to start cutting each other some slack.
So when the next huge divisive controversy hits, let’s just try to have a little CONSIDERATION for each other.
`Cause as our very own suskind said here the other day, Also I ask myself often, “Since when is your best not good enough?” Since never.
Well, we’re all trying our best, aren’t we?
Why not keep our focus on the task at hand;
Either we frog march’m out, or, if not, then we’d better be working on changing their point of view.
While I remain engaged in party politics locally, it seems doubtful that our near total reliance on party politics is going to be productive.
I see no guarantee that the momentum of this current administration will be derailed by focusing on political activism alone, regardless of whether we have wins or losses in ’06, or ’08.
Every day more news arrives that tends to convince me that we’re several rungs up the ladder of fascism, rather than on the first couple of rungs. (Someone suggested a fascism-clock; I say, Yes, let’s set one up, NOW.)
I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
Never, have I seen such an intense level of disgust, both on blog and off, with our existing political leaders.
The Alito campaign clarified for nearly everyone I know that we have a near total vacuum of leadership at the national level of the Democrat party.
Originally, I thought the campaign to block Alito was a wonderful idea. But after such a tremendous expenditure of energy and emotion, what are we left with but a loss of confidence in our leadership and a loss of confidence in our own power to affect a change in what’s left of our democracy.
It seems obvious that any movement will lose strength if it does not have some success once in a while. Why don’t we work on developing a more viable plan, one that has possibilities of generating confidence-building results.
So, “What in the hell else can we do?” you say.
Well, we have yet to seriously consider coordinating a Martin Luther King/Gandhi/Lech Walensa type movement.
And believe me, I’m certainly not so foolish as to imply that any particular tactic the aforementioned leaders used would necessarily be applicable to the difficulties we face today.
But from a study of the material referenced below it seems fairly obvious that the weaknesses in governmental structure, which allowed their movements to succeed, are very similar today.
And there’s no doubt Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Lech Walensa were just as innovative in their day, as we will need to be now, under the current threat to democracy.
In fact we have advantages now that they didn’t have, such as our ability to communicate and disseminate via internet, cell phones, podcasts, etc.
The movements of Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Lech Walensa were able to encompass a wide variety of political persuasions.
So there’s no reason why everyone, from left of Democrats, Democrats, center Democrats, DINOs, Independents, Libertarians, and possibly even some moderate Republicans can’t participate in a plan to influencing the policies of this administration.
We have much more power at our disposal than we are allowing ourselves to believe that we have.
Please give democracy a chance, continue below the fold;
Sources of power are identified as residing among the people throughout society, with the power holder able to exercise only that power that the people permit.
In other words, the ruler can only rule with the consent and cooperation of the people […]
…the important point of the pluralistic model of power is that, since the people provide the ruler with the sources of his power, then the people can also withdraw their consent to be ruled by withholding the sources of power they collectively provide to the regime.
— Robert L Helvey On Strategic Nonviolent Conflict: Thinking About the Fundamentals.
[All text in boxes from the above source. Robert L Helvey is a protégé of Gene Sharp]
Note: I could not find Helvey’s book at Powell’s, so use link above if you’d like to order. The link is not the pdf download but the pdf is available there.
There will always be ideals worth fighting for and oppression to be overcome. Some issues may not be resolvable through negotiations alone, but armed struggle may not be a viable option for an oppressed society, as the state often has the monopoly on military and other instruments of political coercion.
This does not mean that the oppressed people must then choose between submission and waging an armed struggle where defeat is nearly certain.
There is a third alternative to armed conflict for the pursuit of political change – strategic nonviolent struggle.
In the book, strategic nonviolent struggle means:
Nonviolent struggle that has been applied according to a strategic plan that has been prepared on the basis of an analysis of the conflict situation, the strengths and weaknesses of the contending groups, the nature, capacities and requirements of the technique of nonviolent action, and especially the strategic principles of that type of struggle. 1
1 Gene Sharp, There Are Realistic Alternatives, (Boston: The Albert Einstein Institution, 2003),38
As you will see, the nonviolent struggle concepts that Gene Sharp has developed, may be applied with effect against authoritarian regimes, as well as democracies such as Venezuela.
The fact that our military and CIA have made use of these techniques should verify for you the value of their effectiveness.
The end result of the Oct 2004 election in the Ukraine is a recent example of the power of nonviolent struggle. See Ukraine’s “Orange Revolution”
Our government and various institutions were involved, see Alleged involvement of outside forces
This book is written with hope that it may be of assistance to those who are searching for or examining nonviolent options as an alternative to armed struggle against an oppressive government or foreign occupation.
It is not a “how to” book on waging nonviolent struggle.
Rather, it offers a framework that encourages orderly thinking about the fundamentals of strategic nonviolent opposition to state tyranny.
It includes information on the theory, strategic planning, and operations for waging strategic nonviolent struggle that has proved to be effective. […]
…experience has shown that nonviolent struggle is an effective means of waging conflict against repressive regimes.
A military victory is achieved by destroying the opponent’s capacity and/or willingness to continue the fight.
In this regard, nonviolent strategy is no different from armed conflict, except that very different weapons systems are employed.
[…]
The starting gate for the application of strategic nonviolent struggle fundamentals is thinking about those fundamentals, and this book not only addresses them but also challenges the reader to think about applying these fundamentals for a particular cause.
Unlike an aircraft flight manual, there is no check list here that must be followed. Instead, there is a “check list” of ideas and suggestions to guide one’s thinking in making a transition form a dictatorship to a democracy.
[…]
… I met Dr. [Gene] Sharp during a meeting of the Program for Nonviolent Sanctions. He introduced his subject with the words: “Strategic nonviolent struggle is about seizing political power or denying it to others. It is not about pacifism, moral or religious beliefs.”
These words got my attention since my perception of “nonviolence” had been one influenced by Vietnam ere “flower-children, peacenik and draft dodgers.”
[…]
I was fortunate to hear a local presentation given in the early eighties by Gene Sharp, not long after the success of Solidarity led by Lech Wałęsa.
It was then that it occurred to me that these nonviolent concepts might one day prove applicable to, ah, well, any country.
Chapter One: Theory of Political Power
Political power is the totality of means, influences, and pressures–including authority, rewards, and sanction–available to achieve the objectives of the power-holder, especially those of government, the state, and those groups in oppositions.
–Dr Gene Sharp, The Politics of Nonviolent Action
[The Politics of Nonviolent Action is available at Powell’s (BT link)]
[…]
…When the needle on a continuum between “freedom and tyranny” (admittedly subjective terms) points strongly toward tyranny, there will be a desire for change be those who are oppressed.
What changes and how change will be attempted depend upon the oppressed people’s understanding of the nature and sources of power.
Dr Sharp describes two models to describe the basis for power in society–one monolithic, the other pluralistic.
The Monolithic Theory of Power
One model to explain political power, described by Dr. Gene Sharp, is referred to as the “monolithic” theory. […] It portrays power as being centered at the top of a solid, unchanging power structure [see Figure 1].
Occupiers of power portrayed by this monolithic model may change for any number of reasons, but the structure of power itself, that is, its pyramidal shell, is fixed as if in granite, irrespective of the power mix within or the will to change from without.
This theory assumes that the people are dependent upon the good will, support and decisions of the power holder and that the ruler determines how this power is to t be exercised. examples of despotic rulers who viewed election rigging as an integral part of the election process.
[…]
Authoritarian regimes are comfortable when their public accepts (or acquiesces under pressure to) this monolithic conceptualization of power.
The mere fact that they hold power gives them the authority to rule and dictates the obligation of the people to submit, the desires of the ruled notwithstanding.
The coercive power of the state under this model is viewed as a primary and legitimate means of enforcing compliance.
[…]
To undermine and remove tyranny through nonviolent conflict, one must move beyond the conceptual bounds of the monolithic power structure to identify and assess the actual distribution of power in all its forms.
While the monolithic model of power is a useful analytical tool to the study of how despots obtain, hold and pass the reins of power, using this model as a guide to thinking about political change places a severe limitation on the options that can be considered.
While it is important for “dreamers of change” to be aware of the monolithic model of power, in order to convert dreams into action they will find more success by substituting a model that views power, its attainment, and its loss in a completely different light–as one with “pluralism” as its guiding feature.
I see it as a huge mistake to limit our thinking to the monolithic model of power.
I agree with the author, Robert L Helvey, that an opposition movement is not likely to be successful at influencing government policy or affecting political change without an understanding of the pluralistic model of power.
The Pluralistic Model of Power
Another helpful model to understand the nature of power is referred to by Dr. Sharp as the pluralistic model [See Figure 2] Unlike the monolithic model, a solid, unchanging structure with power concentrated at the top, this theory portrays political power as being pluralistic and fragile.
Sources of power are identified as residing among the people throughout society, with the power holder able to exercise only that power that the people permit.
In other words, the ruler can only rule with the consent and cooperation of the people.[…]
…the important point of the pluralistic model of power is that, since the people provide the ruler with the sources of his power, then the people can also withdraw their consent to be ruled by withholding the sources of power they collectively provide to the regime.
According to Dr. Sharp there are six sources of power that are the key to understanding its pluralistic nature. As will be discussed below, it is these enumerated sources of power over which control, substantial influence, or neutralization is sought. […]
If you are interested in understanding how sources of power form the pillars that support any government, see the discussion of the six sources of power after the fold:
[…] These sources of power find expression in organizations and institutions, called “pillars of support”, discussed in Chapter 2.
Note: subject to be discussed in next diary Pillars of Support
1.Authority
Authority is the basis for claiming the right to rule and for the demanding of obedience from the ruled. Election results are often cited as the validation of authority to govern.
This is why so many authoritarian regimes insist on holding elections and then stuff the ballot boxes, intimidate the electorate, limit the campaign activities of opponents, and refuse to acknowledge or accept unfavorable outcomes.
Legitimacy is critically important to any government, and to be perceived as exceeding constitutional authority or being an outlaw regime has potentially serious consequences both internally and within the international community.
Internally, the loss of apparent legitimacy may become a major factor for the legitimization of political opposition.
Using the concept of “social contract,” political opposition may proclaim that if the government has committed a material breach of the constitution of a nation, the contract between the people and government has been violated, providing the basis for renouncing the obligations to obey, support and cooperate with the regime.
Externally, the loss of legitimacy by a regime may make the international community receptive to calls for economic and political sanctions against it. […]
2. Human Resources
The numbers of people who support, cooperate with, and yield to the ruler are an important determinant of a regime’s power. […]
…strategic nonviolent struggle cannot succeed without their active support and cooperation of the majority. In a struggle for democracy, numbers are important!
3. Skills and Knowledge
Governing is much more complicated then ever. At the beginning of the 21st century, the President of the United States of America is widely accepted as being the most powerful person in the world.
Yet, this most powerful ruler knows little or nothing
That’s for damn sure!!! (Continuing…)
about the complicated tasks of maintaining airplanes and flight schedules, administering maritime law, conducting criminal investigations, collecting taxes, developing war plans, distributing food, developing and servicing communications networks, and a host of other proficiencies.
The point being that skills and knowledge provided by the people permit governments, at all levels, to function. Without such contributions, a government collapses.
4. Intangible Factors
While it is difficult to measure their importance, intangible factors such as religion, attitudes toward obedience and submission, a sense of mission, or cultural norms can affect a ruler’s relationship with the public.
For example, there was a period in which there was an acceptance by many in some societies of the “divine right of kings,” the belief that rulers were agents of God on earth.
To disobey the ruler was thought to be disobedient to God. In other societies, such as Japan, the Emperor was considered to be God-king. Democracy would have been impossible under those circumstances.
And at the turn of the 21st century, there were instances of the merging of the Islamic religion and traditional political power in some governments.
While it is entirely appropriate to “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s,” the debate must first be held over what exactly belongs to him.
After all, democracy is predicated upon the belief that any power the ruler has is “on loan” from the people.
Did the concepts discussed above remind you of any recent US history?
5. Material Resources
“He who pays the piper calls the tune” most certainly applies to politics. Control over the economy, property, natural resources, communications and transportation is an important aspect of the limits of power over the public. […]
…where censorship prevails, the lives of all those involved in all aspects of journalism are controlled or influenced by the government.
[…]
6. Sanctions
The ability to coerce compliance and support for government laws, including rules and regulations, is limited by the support, cooperation and acquiescence of the public.
Sanctions are used both to punish and to deter unacceptable behavior. …Denial or termination of employment, loss of promotions, travel restrictions (denial of passport), imposition of “eminent domain” of property, denial of access to water, and other sanctions can all be effectively employed to promote submission.
In some authoritarian regimes, the media practices self-censorship because the government has the capacity to close down publishers and news organizations through the control of the distribution of newsprint or the revocation of radio and television licenses. Such sanctions are commonplace.
Sanctions are the tools of every government. Most often they are used to curb anti-social behavior. At other times, they have been used as weapons to terrorize and to punish populations for political ends. […]
Summary
…The monolithic model portrays power as being exercised in an unchanging structure in which the people are dependent on the ruler.
The pluralistic model sees power being exercised quite differently, with the ruler being dependent upon the people.
The sources of power that the people provide to a ruler are also identified, and should these sources of power be withheld from the ruler, his ability to govern would be impossible.
Descriptively, the various structures that permit and sustain the day-to-day operations of government are referred to as its “pillars of support”. […]
When important pillars of support are sufficiently undermined, the government …collapses […]
I sincerely believe the methods of nonviolent struggle are our only real hope of changing government policies and ultimately changing the leadership of our government to one that truly represents “we the people”, and not only “we the people” of our country but “we the people” globally.
I hope we will invest our time wisely in pursuit of a true democracy for our country. We can not wait until another Martin Luther King, a Gandhi, or Lech Walensa appears on the scene. It is up to us!!!
I sincerely believe that the method to be used to develop an effective counter attack must come from educating ourselves on the principles of nonviolent struggle.
I can see why you were up all night working on this and I’m going to need a similar amount of time to absorb it. I’ve hotlisted the diary so I will be sure to come back after work hours and give it the full attention it deserves.
me too
Yeah, I was thinking that length might be a challenge, but as Arlo Guthrie once said,“If you’re goin’ to stop war ya gotta sing LOUD!
Well, if we’re goin’ stop BushCo killing off our planet were going to have to expend some energy at it.
Thanks for the feedback you guys.
What’s going on here at Booman is bringing up this song in my head:
There’s something happening here,
What it is ain’t exactly clear,
There’s a man with a gun over there.
Telling me, I’ve got to beware.
It’s time to stop children
What’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down.
I can hear it NL, I can hear it. I find myself listening quite often to the local golden oldies station, seems to be comforting in a way… maybe it’s that we survived the last ruckus back in them thar days, so maybe we’ll survive this one too. (Although I think the challenge is considerably greater this time.)
Far less well known, but this morning I was drawn to read the introduction to William Saroyan’s “The Time of Your Life.” I first heard it read at a memorial service after the 9/11 attacks and it has been lingering in the back of mind ever since:
Thanks,
That’s a great quote Kahli. Almost all of it worthy of further meditation, but hopefully we can avoid this section of it;
while recognizing that there may be unique circumstances of self defense, or defense of loved ones, according to the nonviolent struggle principles, violence on the part of members works has in the past worked to the disadvantage of achieving a movement’s goals.
Hence, beware of agent provocateurs in any organization of which we may be a part.
Agreed. But in addition to the self-defense, I think the phrase can be read metaphorically as well. At times we have to kill what is comfortable and normal for us in order to achieve change.
That’s good point!!
There was a wise an mystical woman who I knew formany years who would often comment on how we might invite positive change in ourlives and inthe worldby saying, metaphorically; If you want new clothes to come to you you have to clean out the closet of the old to make room for them.”
Relinquishing the old or tjhe status quo first in order to make room for the new might be at the heart of the “killing” metaphor in this introduction.
You’ve got it, and by “it” I mean not only the gist of the diary, but you’re already on the next step, which is likely to be the development of a vision of the future that we could all share. (This would get us off the current paradigm where we’re always on the defensive.)
So I’d say the, “wise and mystical woman” had it exactly right. Thanks for your contribution!
Heck, you almost could make a series expanding on each of the steps…might be something to consider before we get into the general election (post-primary) season…
Thanks for the suggestion. I have been thinking along those lines also. I’ve spent days worth of hours researching this material since Nov 3, 2004.
I can’t physically grab everyone and drag them to the bookstore, so incremental dissemination seems to be the only way to get the word out.
Good God (the way Wilson Pickett used to say it)! I hope you took a breath while writing this outstanding diary. I just want to comment on this part of it.
I just wrote the other day in a comment to a beautiful story by MilitaryTracy that the reason I love frogsville is because of the sharing of experiences. The only way to an inclusive politics is sharing meaningful experience; this means we have to accept others’ experiences as genuine. Some Americans think the story of America is just the success story we heard in high school. Some Americans think if we force reality into a mythical universe of the mind that things will be okay. Neither the universe, our minds, nor real life works that way. The American story is the success story (immigrants coming from all over seeking their fortunes and eveybody finding them, blah, blah,blah, we’ve heard this a million times) but the story of America is also the story of a conscious genocide committed upon the indigenous people of North America, a centuries long program of kidnapping and slavery to build this country. It’s all America. My grandmother was raped in a Minnesota lumber camp in the early 1910’s after both her mother and father had died, and then her step-mother had abondoned her by herself at 14 in a lumber camp. That fact was a part of who my grandmother was and what my family is along with hundreds of other awful and beautiful stories. Some people in my family imploded because they couldn’t reconcile current grandma with past grandma. But it’s all my family. It’s all America. If we can’t include all our experiences so that they are all meaningful to our shared community then we have no chance of living together. Same with Froggy Town here.
While our opinions are important, they are only part of who we are: our stories, our dreams, our passions are all equally important as our opinions. The Greek word for opinion is dogma. Let’s not make our passionately held opinions into little gods, into something that is more important than the community of shared meaning we are trying to create not only in the froggy part of the blososphere but in the concrete real world too.
Well said ND Dem. I’m orginally from Minnesota, so, to quote Bill Murray, “I got that going for me.”
I’ve got to figure out how to put all that on a business card. Your comments could well become part of the no prick policy here at BT.
It’s so easy to get caught up in self importance. One philosophy I ran across once, said, “You have to step outside the circle in order to understand how to have any effect on what’s going on inside of it.” Much of human behavior looks pretty hilarious from that point of view.
I’m going to have to bookmark this and spend more time with it later, there’s a lot of there here. Looking forward to further discussions, and more. I think that you have put forth an extremely valuable set of principles, the key will be the application(s) and strategizing of these principles.
Well done ND, well done!
KUDOs!
Peace
and strategizing of these principles.-dada.
You’ve jumped right to the heart of the matter, dada. That definitely is the key. In the flesh I have one friend with which I can discuss this part of it.
So I’m very much hoping to generate a discussion regarding your point. While a general discussion of this nature may still be “feasible” on blog, as this discussion continues I’d like your input (and any others, of course) as to the relative “safety” of doing that. And at what point the discussion would be better done more privately.
Not that emails are necessarily any more secure, but at some point telegraphing of intentions may not be wise.
Everyone should feel comfortable taking up any and all topic with me via email in my sig line.
Thanks very much for the compliment, dada!
I’m formulating a response, but will probably use a less public form of communication.
Answers part of the ? at least…eh?
Later
Peace
Great diary! I esp. appreciate your call for mutual support & avoiding the one-true-way syndrome.
& dammit, now you’ve got me trying to hunt down my copy of the Resource Manual for a Living Revolution . . .
Living Revolution . . . – Arcturus.
That’s a new one for me. At the rate things are going today I’ll not have a chance to google it until later. But you’ve got my curiosity energized. I’m continuously looking for sources with different angles on all this. So I hope other will add their favorite resource materials to the mix here too.
Thank you also for the compliment.
Can we look forward to some more input from you on the the resource manual???
Resource Manual For a Living Revolution
Virginia Coover, Ellen Deacon, Charles Esser, Christopher Moore
(New Society Press, 1977)
which was available from:
Movement For a New Society
4722 Baltimore Ave
Philadephia, PA 19143
I would have gotten it from the Resource Center for Non-Violence In Santa Cruz, CA. I know they are still around (probably on Soquel Ave.) because one of the people running it then (late 70’s) was recently quoted in news reports as being one of the Santa Cruz recruitment protesters who were being spied on by the Pentagon. Another went on to hold elected office there in the 90’s.
I must admit that it has been years since I opened it. I realized some time ago that I’m not particularly well suited for the role of organizer.
Powell’s has used copies available for $6.95.
Wikipedia describes the project:
of the NorthDakotaDemocrat? I think I’m gonna need it!
Ha ha! Great idea, but, Whatdaya mean “sell a pocket version”??? This is the pocket version!!! or actually the first installment of the pocketbook version.
OMG people’s attention span these days… mine included… about equivalent to the hyperactive squirrel.
Dang! I know you’ve got a point on the length, but how else to do it?
If I tell people, “Go buy this book.” Then they’re all thinking, ya, right, just what I need another book to read. And so far I don’t know anyone who has done it after a conversation with me on blog or off.
I’m counting on those who are truly interested in being active leaders of a nonviolent struggle to slog their way through this diary and hopefully be further energized to tap into the material available via the links.
It might be easier to read if one copied and pasted into a word.doc and then printed to hardcopy. That’s what I do for very long articles.
Other than that I’m at a loss of how better to condense the concepts. I’m hoping others will diary on this topic and come at it from different angles. It’s a huge topic, and I don’t see it discussed much anywhere. So, hopefully it will be now.
It occurs to me that this is why Crawford worked. Say what you will but before Crawford nobody spoke out public and openly questioning the Iraq war…..after Crawford we are free to question it here, there and everywhere. That is one step closer to ending it! Let’s face it too….the powers that be still do basically whatever they please right now……so why didn’t they just arrest Sheehan at Crawford as they had threatened? Sheehan had paid the ultimate price and had worked hard to digest what had happened to her and find a solution that was going to REALLY WORK. She had embodied the principles you have above and applied them to Casey being killed in an illegal war in Iraq. It wasn’t that we needed a messiah in Crawford Texas…..but she had managed to get it together and she never raised her voice one single time. The rest of the military families and soldiers were still so wounded that we stole and borrowed from her energy there………a deeper knowing within us knew that the only real solution was going to come through behaving and doing and carrying ourselves as Cindy did and that meant complete nonviolent public civil disobedience and gently speaking and being the truth that we were as human beings.
I think you’re absolutely right on Cindy Sheehan and Crawford. I do believe history will look back on all this and credit Crawford with the real start of an anti-war movement.
I read your reports at the time and was happy for you and the others experience there and in W DC, ’cause now you guys have a real good idea of what was happening during the last ruckus we had some 35 years ago.
I probably should have used the Crawford event as an example of people who are making use of Gene Sharp’s nonviolent struggle principles. And all the other anti-war/anti-BushCo groups are using these principles whether knowingly or not.
IMO our only real hope is to start up some sort of grand strategy to pull all these groups together and focus the energies, rather than dissipate the energies in non productive campaigns.
I actually think it’s better if we don’t have one single leader at this point. Who would want to be a lightning rod in the middle of this thunder storm?
Maybe one way of “pocketbookizing” all this is to come up what we could call an Achilles heel-plan, of BushCo, and focus on that.
For example, at some point do you think the military will just say they’ve had enough abuse from this administration?
NDD, this stuff resonsates clear down to my toes. My innards told me some time ago that there was no way to fix this via using the triangular structure as it stands now. Too much power disparity from top to bottom. Too much on top, too little in hte middle and on the bottom to be able to force the top out and take over. Add to this that money and power mean exactly the same thing now, and its all concentrated up there at the top. And politicians are nearly all up for sale to the highest bidder,and forced to sell off thier integrity to even begin climb the damnned thing, while ordinary folks can’t even afford to get near it.
I don’t want to play King O The Hill. I’d rather play to play Ring around the Rosey.
Excellent, excellent diary!!
Hey, thanks for the APPLAUSE!, it’s appreciated.
There were two figures I was unable to load. Figure 1 and Figure 2 are at the end of the pdf file, see the link to Helvey’s book.
Figure 1 shows a diagram of the top down concept of gov power, and Figure 2 shows a diagram of the concept of the people having the power.
Once people realize the concept of Figure 2 they will be empowered. All we have to do then is pick a “pillor of support” to chisel on, then real democracy can have an effect on gov policies.
Also I see nonviolent struggle as being the “steam” behind any political party changes. Obviously it’s hard for those guys to lead if they don’t see or feel a crowd standing behind them.
This looks like a lot of good work. Right at the moment it’s completely beyond my ability to process-general life stress-but I’ll think about it and hopefully return to it later.
I’ve been on that same roller coaster since Nov 3, 2004. About all we can do is try to accomplish what we can while we’re at the apex of that ride.
Hey there, NDD. Thank you very much for this intelligent & well articulated examination of the possibilities inherent in our current position, as caring members of a national community in deep crisis.
There’s much to absorb & consider here. I’ll return to these writings again, in the proper spirit of learning. It’s always a very positive thing to widen one’s framework of thought & one’s vision of what is possible.
Thanks again. Hope to see more, if you’re so inclined.
Your welcome, ww.
I especially appreciate everyone who is willing to slog their way through the totality of this diary. I realize it’s a challenge. It would certainly be a challenge for me were it someone else’s diary, and I was unfamiliar with the material.
That said, I’m thinking we’ve made huge investments in time already following the blog news, what’s a few more hours if we can indeed turn this juggernaut around.
Right smack on target!
One thing I like is that these strategies and principles work both inside and outside of a formal party structure. Efforts could be pursued in way that was as coordinated as the effort can sustain but could be inside, outside or parallel and joint efforts.
The second thing is that these efforts build the overall strength of the democratic (small d) system, which over the long haul is better protection than a one party focus.
I have a couple of reactions to the comments and some suggestions for consideration.
What are the ideas or statements that really jump out at you, that make you immediately start thinking of specific situations and how they might apply. Put those into your Bite Size version and as we all do that, we can each start incorporating what others have come up with and start moving towards a version, the bulk of which we can generally agree upon (or not). This could be a follow-up dairy linked back to this one.
3. After (or while) #2 is going on it would be interesting to do some analysis that would apply some of the principles to the Crawford Ranch “movement”.
Why did that work as well as it did (according to these principles)? How could it have been more effective using these principles more deeply or more broadly? (Again, might be efficient as a follow-up thread linked back to this.)
4. NDD – More please.
Going back and filling out some of the general skeleton with either snippets or excerpts to tease this out a bit more would be very useful. Anyone else familiar with or now studying these principles could do the same.
I would love for this board to sink its teeth into this one. Something along the line BooMan and BostonJoe were discussing awhile ago.
A Frogtown Blogforce taking this and making it fly. Now that would be something worth seeing.
I guess it’s first a case of increasing awareness of the concepts behind nonviolent struggle movements. Then applying that knowledge to develop a plan, and ultimately putting the plan into action.
Thanks for supplying some very stimulating starting points on the plan development stage. I’ll have to print that one out and dissect it further.
Great great diary NDD…gives everyone a great starting point for thinking about what/how we should begin to accomplish most of our stated goals and wishes here.
I’ll be looking forward to more diaries of yours on this subject. For now though this is a good diary to read and reread and think about…and hopefully that thinking will lead us all to something more concrete. Concrete collective action for change.
Thanks, ci,
Concrete collective action is definitely what we need. There just has to be one of the “pillars of support” that would lend itself to some “chiseling.” The question to discuss would be which one, and how to do it.
So I’m hoping the diary will generate more by others along similar lines. ‘Cause as many have recognized, “Something has to happen.” And it sure seems like we’ve tried most everything else but this.
We need to bring back the Whigs.
And yes, I’m serious. The 19th century Whig party was formed to counter the constitutional overreaches of the imperial Jackson presidency. The 21st century Whig party would play much the same role against the imperial Bush presidency.
Plus, taking on the Whig mantle lets us claim, at least in theory, that we’ve managed to get a president elected a couple of times, even if hardly anyone remembers William Henry Harrison. 😉
Now there’s novel idea. Just the innovative thinking that we’re going to need to be successful.
Re: Effective Counter Attack; Consideration or Implosion? I would also proffer….different paths to the same place.
Non-violence – well since that is part my beliefs I work daily on the ‘and it harm none’ premise. There are times like reading the diaries this week that violence would be too easy for me.
Self-defense: will do whatever it takes…
It will take longer than my abbreviated lunch to respond reasonably….more later.
At the brainstorming stage of any plan, all ideas are worth listening to, I’d say.
NDD, I read this this morning and have had moments all day when it came back to me. I like the fact that so many people are thinking about this. It reminds me of the kind of preparation MLK did with people to get them ready. What we’re talking about is the same kind of movement – and we need to be ready.
The part of your diary I have been thinking about today is that our so-called leaders only have the power that the people permit. I really believe this. And have had two thoughts:
Thats where my thoughts are for now. I’m really looking forward to more about this. I think we’re on to something.
Thanks NDD!!!
Thanks NL, I’m sort of dumbfounded. I’ve just slapped myself up the side of the head for not connecting HD’s “You have the power.” directly to the nonviolent struggle concepts.
What this shows to me is one of the real values of blogs like BoomanTribune, to flesh out more complete view of this whole situation that we’re in.
I stood 20 ft in front of him prior to the primary vote and very much liked what I heard, but missed that connection you just made.
It’s just amazing how easy it is to get stuck in one’s own head, and so I’m very appreciate of everyone’s comments that have helped to clarify things for all of us.
Yes, Howard “got” something that most running for office don’t. I worked for several campaigns before he came along – and his was a totally different experience for me. That’s what sold me on him – much more than his specific policies. I felt the power. It was even more powerful than working for Wellstone. Paul was certainly accessible to anyone he came in contact with. But his campaign was organized from the top down. I never felt like anyone ever noticed that I was a unique individual with talents that could be tapped. I just did what everyone else did anonymously – phone calls, data entry, letter stuffing. With Howard, it was more like – do what you can do best, organize how you can organize best, write what you feel. I just realized that the basis of this kind of campaign is that you let the people know that you TRUST them. And then they have power.
That’s an revelationary perspective you’ve developed, especially because it comes directly from first hand experience.
With his personality, Howard Dean is capable of walking into any rural small town (pop < 200)ND restaurant; have a cup of coffee, sit down at the table “regulars'”table and fit right in.
Of course in some of these places he might run into a “discouraging word” once he got into his political views. Nevertheless he does have that capability… (only other one I can think of with that would be Jimmy Carter.)
Wow.
So much stuff in there, but its ALL good stuff.
The first section on group dynamics here at the pond would have been worth a diary all by itself.
I know we’re all frustrated. And you couldn’t be more right that we need a win.
This is more than one battle. Where we agree, we should all work together to accomplish one definable goal.
If we don’t agree, maybe its best if those who do continue on with their plan. But those who don’t are still our allies. Maybe we’ll agree on a different plan.
This is going to be a long war, with lots of battles. Damn straight party leadership isn’t gonna come up with a winning plan on their own. Five elections and no major shift in strategy tells us that. Wish em luck, but don’t count on em.
NorthDakotaDemocrat, you’re absolutely right —
That second point is what trips up the other places I’ve been. They either fight with each other on what the “one true way” is, or they say there is no way, and flit from issue to issue, with no goals other than to react to the latest outrage.
So thanks, NDD, for clarifying what seems obvious in retrospect.
The GOP has it easy. Their generals work very well together, set up multiple covert and overt plans, are always on the lookout for a way to spin any adverse situation to their longterm goal, and have a willing media and noise machine just awaiting orders.
If we were Republicans, all we’d have to do is wait for orders — very simple orders.
We’re not Republicans. We think for ourselves.
Its about time we turned that into a strength.
That’s for sure. And a big wow right back at ya, as you’ve developed an excellent analysis of the gist of it.
Quite a number of concepts have been clarified for me also today from hearing so many other perspectives.
Man Eegee’s diary had many great comments also.
Well, this particular “cat” is for sure out of the bag; and I’ll be very interested to see where the next batch of kittens shows up.
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I have to hotlist this as well, and come back and fully digest what you’ve written, but even with a cursory reading, I’m convinced you’re on to something.
Even as a long time anti-gun guy (except for pheasant and quail), I’ve often thought it’s time to take to the streets and launch a revolution to get this country back on track. As much as I hate even thinking such things, your work here makes me consider other, better options. And for that alone, you have my hearty recommendation. THANK YOU, for putting it so clearly and well sourced that I need to make time to follow it all through.
btw, how’s the weather up your way? We had rain and thunderstorms all day and night here … and the bulbs coming up are going to love that.
Cheers from our end of the upper midwest!
You’re welcome!
I’m actually amazed at the positive reaction my diary has had. Especially since the first time I did one on this very same topic I think I got 4 recs, ha!
As I’ve mentioned above, I know of no other avenue to pursue that shows as much promise of results. The political party system has sure disappointed people over the course of the last three elections particularly. And yet nonviolent struggle can put wind on the sail of political parties too.
I’m looking forward to continuing discussions on this topic with anyone who’s interested, whether in one of my diaries or someone else’s.
WX: We had an absolutely, fabulous day today, what we would call a “perfect day”, bright sunshine, 40F, and no wind. Even spend a couple hours out on a deck with a cup of Chai visiting with a couple of friends, first time for that since last fall. Sending same your way!!
How do I love this diary? Let me count the ways
I love its message.
I love its format.
I love its clarity.
I love its direction.
I love its depth and substance.
And I love the community that it speaks to and for…. this is the way:
I vote for consideration, not implosion. This is a great diary, NorthDakotaDemocrat. And please remember what Dr. King said… especially when faced with losses and seemingly impossible resistance…
“Keep your eye on the prize.”
Wow that’s quite a compliment, thanks, suskind!!!
As the future arrives at the present, I’d guess we’ll be needing to hear more of those famous quotes from both MLK and Gandhi.
Glad to see your vote for consideration.
I’ve seen numerous examples of the lack of consideration in real life over the last several years, so I certainly hope that trend can be reversed. Maybe we’ve got a start on that now.
Pillar # 2. Human Resources
The numbers of people who support, cooperate with, and yield to the ruler are an important determinant of a regime’s power. […]
…strategic nonviolent struggle cannot succeed without their active support and cooperation of the majority. In a struggle for democracy, numbers are important!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’ve got a Republican friend who supported Bush 100% as did all four of her office mates. All five now want him impeached. I am hearing of this all over the place, including here in the midst of these lifelong republican seniors. Makes me wonder, if we could but see and measure it, how many people out there are already effectively building this pillar, only individually, not as a visible, organized movement. Makes me wonder how many Americans, without kowing one thing about the how non violent change movements work, are already gnawing away on the existing structure. It’s a consideration that encourages me. Not everything of highest value can be seen and measured.
Wow, that’s interesting that 5/5 former Rs want Bush impeached.
What few Republicans I know, I see very rarely, so I don’t really know what their thoughts are these days on Bush.
We should be able to think of some ways to increase their awareness so that they continue “gnawing away on the existing structure.” Leaflets, maybe?
I live in a senior apartment building of 100 units full of elders, and younger folks with disabilities, (a population that VOTES in high numbers) There are hundreds of these buildings in this metro area. It will be duck soup for me to write and leave short informative leaflets laying about here and there in public areas. It’s bound to increase the circulation of my many far right wing religious conservative neighbors, if nothing else, and it might help flush out the other hidden liberals.
This was interesting. It seems that the founders, wary of a monolithic power structure, did what they could to promote a pluralistic power structure. They built into the system a series of safeguards against the executive controlling the six sources of power. They set up elections; they gave the power to control material resources (the purse) to the legislature; they tried to limit the power of intangible factors by separating church and state; they set up a separate court system that would provide the sanctions. But it doesn’t seem to be working right now.
It occurs to me that one reason George Bush has managed to get around these safeguards is that he seems to have convinced people that in this “unsafe” time, we would be better off with, and we in fact have, a monolithic power structure. It’s hard to believe that he could convince the world’s greatest democracy of this, but he has. The people and Congress have forgotten that the power resides with them.
I look forward to the next installment.
You’ve made a very succinct conclusion that I am in complete agreement with.
I would add somewhat more specifically to the “people” side of it, to include also the people of the media. It has become rather obvious our “free press” has failed to convey the reality of the situation. And it has always been said that democracy was dependent on a free press.
After 9/11, one of my friends who works in the newspaper business said, “I hope they don’t resort to using fear…” to run the country. Well, we know how that turned out. And from what I hear the most fearful are also the ones who still support the Bush administration.
Someone, a friend of mine knows, had recently been to the Holocaust Museum at the Smithsonian. After viewing the exhibit, the man was near ill after realizing how similar the progression has been the last several years to that of Germany prior to Hitler gaining complete control.
Maybe someone will volunteer to diary on that exhibit.
Thanks for taking the time to read this diary, post this feedback.
I really appreciate the effort everyone has made to read this, and also the time and thought everyone has put into their comments. I have learned a whole lot more from people’s comments than I was expecting.
I’ve heard that the holocaust museum can leave you either speechless or full of enraged speech.
I wonder how Ghandi dealt with the media. India is a large country, like we are. Most of the newspapers were probably under British Imperial control, there was no television. So he couldn’t have relied on the media to get his message out. I wonder how he did it.
On the other hand, I don’t think Ghandi would have been successful if the British people hadn’t elected a labor government who wanted to rid themselves of the expense of empire after WWII.
NDD – thanks for your time and energy in putting this together.
I pulled two quotes that were of particular interest to me:
and:
The Alito process really got me wondering about who the “power-holders” are in this country. Thinking of “politics” in terms of political parties and elected officials, particularly on the national level, seems almost superficial or cosmetic. By that I mean, the politicians themselves just seem to be the “front office people.”
Considering how people have organized themselves to maintain some kind of order, i.e., tribes, kingdoms, nation -states, I keep coming up with thinking we have transitioned into a nation-corporation model.
If the “power-holders” are corporations, then I wonder if the focus for action needs to be shifted from politics/government to corporations.
Just thoughts skittering around in my head 🙂
I look forward to the next installment.
You’re welcome, tampopo, and your thoughts are the very same as that of Ted Nace’s Gangs of America; The Rise of Corporate Power and the Disabling of Democracy.
I found Gangs of America to be a very readable history and analysis of corporate control of government and I highly recommend it.
On the site linked above there are links below the book cover on the left side of the page. You may read several chapters online, download the whole book free, or get it at your local indy bookstore.
This needs to be in one of the next diaries. Thanks for your contribution, which was a great reminder to me to include the corporate power angle.
You are welcome.
I will check out the Ted Nace book. Thank you for the link.
“Corporations” are so strange – an “entity” but not a person, yet made up of people. Should be an interesting diary 🙂