The Washington Post gives us the unhelpful headline, Feingold Draws Little Support. The New York Times hasn’t even updated their article from this morning. And the wingnuts are trying to be as dismissive as possible. Here’s what they are saying:
“The big question now,” said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), “is how many of his Democrat colleagues will follow him over the cliff?”
House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) called Feingold’s resolution “political grandstanding of the very worst kind,” which exposes “the soft underbelly of the Democrats’ positions on national security issues.”
Bill Frist: “Senator Feingold’s time would be better spent putting forth constructive ideas rather than using cheap political tricks that compromise America’s national security by sending a dangerous signal of disunity around the globe.”
Russ’s full speech is below the fold.
Mr. President, when the President of the United States breaks the law, he must be held accountable. That is why today I am introducing a resolution to censure President George W. Bush.
The President authorized an illegal program to spy on American citizens on American soil, and then misled Congress and the public about the existence and legality of that program. It is up to this body to reaffirm the rule of law by condemning the President’s actions.
All of us in this body took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and bear true allegiance to the same. Fulfilling that oath requires us to speak clearly and forcefully when the President violates the law. This resolution allows us to send a clear message that the President’s conduct was wrong.
And we must do that. The President’s actions demand a formal judgment from Congress.
At moments in our history like this, we are reminded why the founders balanced the powers of the different branches of government so carefully in the Constitution. At the very heart of our system of government lies the recognition that some leaders will do wrong, and that others in the government will then bear the responsibility to do right.
This President has done wrong. This body can do right by condemning his conduct and showing the people of this nation that his actions will not be allowed to stand unchallenged.
To date, members of Congress have responded in very different ways to the President’s conduct. Some are responding by defending his conduct, ceding him the power he claims, and even seeking to grant him expanded statutory authorization powers to make his conduct legal. While we know he is breaking the law, we do not know the details of what the President has authorized or whether there is any need to change the law to allow it, yet some want to give him carte blanche to continue his illegal conduct. To approve the President’s actions now, without demanding a full inquiry into this program, a detailed explanation for why the President authorized it, and accountability for his illegal actions, would be irresponsible. It would be to abandon the duty of the legislative branch under our constitutional system of separation of powers while the President recklessly grabs for power and ignores the rule of law.
Others in Congress have taken important steps to check the President. Senator Specter has held hearings on the wiretapping program in the Judiciary Committee. He has even suggested that Congress may need to use the power of the purse in order to get some answers out of the Administration. And Senator Byrd has proposed that Congress establish an independent commission to investigate this program.
As we move forward, Congress will need to consider a range of possible actions, including investigations, independent commissions, legislation, or even impeachment. But, at a minimum, Congress should censure a president who has so plainly broken the law.
Our founders anticipated that these kinds of abuses would occur. Federalist Number 51 speaks of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances:
“It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
Mr. President, we are faced with an executive branch that places itself above the law. The founders understood that the branches must check each other to control abuses of government power. The president’s actions are such an abuse, Mr. President. His actions must be checked, and he should be censured.
This President exploited the climate of anxiety after September 11, 2001, both to push for overly intrusive powers in the Patriot Act, and to take us into a war in Iraq that has been a tragic diversion from the critical fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates. In both of those instances, however, Congress gave its approval to the President’s actions, however mistaken that approval may have been.
That was not the case with the illegal domestic wiretapping program authorized by the President shortly after September 11th. The President violated the law, ignored the Constitution and the other two branches of government, and disregarded the rights and freedoms upon which our country was founded. No one questions whether the government should wiretap suspected terrorists. Of course we should, and we can under current law. If there were a demonstrated need to change that law, Congress could consider that step. But instead the President is refusing to follow that law while offering the flimsiest of arguments to justify his misconduct. He must be held accountable for his actions.
The facts are straightforward: Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as “FISA”, nearly 30 years ago to ensure that as we wiretap suspected terrorists and spies, we also protect innocent Americans from unjustified government intrusion. FISA makes it a crime to wiretap Americans on U.S. soil without the requisite warrants, and the President has ordered warrantless wiretaps of Americans on U.S. soil. The President has broken that law, and that alone is unacceptable. But the President did much more than that.
Not only did the President break the law, he also actively misled Congress and the American people about his actions, and then, when the program was made public, about the legality of the NSA program.
He has fundamentally violated the trust of the American people.
The President’s own words show just how seriously he has violated that trust.
We now know that the NSA wiretapping program began not long after September 11th. Before the existence of this program was revealed, the President went out of his way in several speeches to assure the public that the government was getting court orders to wiretap Americans in the United States – something that he now admits was not the case.
On April 20, 2004, for example, the President told an audience in Buffalo that: “Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires – a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way.”
In fact, a lot had changed, but the President wasn’t being upfront with the American people.
Just months later, on July 14, 2004, in my own state of Wisconsin, the President said that: “Any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order. In other words, the government can’t move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order.”
Last summer, on June 9, 2005, the President spoke in Columbus, Ohio, and again insisted that his administration was abiding by the laws governing wiretaps. “Law enforcement officers need a federal judge’s permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist’s phone, a federal judge’s permission to track his calls, or a federal judge’s permission to search his property. Officers must meet strict standards to use any of these tools. And these standards are fully consistent with the Constitution of the U.S.”
In all of these cases, the President knew he wasn’t telling the complete story. But engaged in tough political battle during the presidential campaign, and later over Patriot Act reauthorization, he wanted to convince the public that a systems of checks and balances was in place to protect innocent people from government snooping. He knew when he gave those reassurances that he had authorized the NSA to bypass the very system of checks and balances that he was using as a shield against criticisms of the Patriot Act and his Administration’s performance.
This conduct is unacceptable. The President had a duty to play it straight with the American people. But for political purposes, he ignored that duty.
After a New York Times story exposed the NSA program in December of last year, the White House launched an intensive effort to mislead the American people yet again. No one would come to testify before Congress until February, but the President’s surrogates held press conferences and made speeches to try to convince the public that he had acted lawfully.
Most troubling of all, the President himself participated in this disinformation campaign. In the State of the Union address, he implied that the program was necessary because otherwise the government would be unable to wiretap terrorists at all. That is simply untrue. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. You don’t need a warrant to wiretap terrorists overseas – period. You do need a warrant to wiretap Americans on American soil and Congress passed FISA specifically to lay out the rules for these types of domestic wiretaps.
FISA created a secret court, made up of judges who develop national security expertise, to issue warrants for surveillance of suspected terrorists and spies. These are the judges from whom the Bush Administration has obtained thousands of warrants since 9/11. They are the judges who review applications for business records orders and wiretapping authority under the Patriot Act. The Administration has almost never had a warrant request rejected by those judges. It has used the FISA Court thousands of times, but at the same time it asserts that FISA is an “old law” or “out of date” in this age of terrorism and can’t be complied with. Clearly, the Administration can and does comply with it – except when it doesn’t. Then it just arbitrarily decides to go around these judges, and around the law.
The Administration has said that it ignored FISA because it takes too long to get a warrant under that law. But we know that in an emergency, where the Attorney General believes that surveillance must begin before a court order can be obtained, FISA permits the wiretap to be executed immediately as long as the government goes to the court within 72 hours. The Attorney General has complained that the emergency provision does not give him enough flexibility, he has complained that getting a FISA application together or getting the necessary approvals takes too long. But the problems he has cited are bureaucratic barriers that the executive branch put in place, and could remove if it wanted.
FISA also permits the Attorney General to authorize unlimited warrantless electronic surveillance in the United States during the 15 days following a declaration of war, to allow time to consider any amendments to FISA required by a wartime emergency. That is the time period that Congress specified. Yet the President thinks that he can do this indefinitely.
The President has argued that Congress gave him authority to wiretap Americans on U.S. soil without a warrant when it passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force after September 11, 2001. Mr. President, that is ridiculous. Members of Congress did not pass this resolution to give the President blanket authority to order warrantless wiretaps. We all know that. Anyone in this body who would tell you otherwise either wasn’t here at the time or isn’t telling the truth. We authorized the President to use military force in Afghanistan, a necessary and justified response to September 11. We did not authorize him to wiretap American citizens on American soil without going through the process that was set up nearly three decades ago precisely to facilitate the domestic surveillance of terrorists – with the approval of a judge. That is why both Republicans and Democrats have questioned this theory.
This particular claim is further undermined by congressional approval of the Patriot Act just a few weeks after we passed the Authorization for the Use of Military Force. The Patriot Act made it easier for law enforcement to conduct surveillance on suspected terrorists and spies, while maintaining FISA’s baseline requirement of judicial approval for wiretaps of Americans in the U.S. It is ridiculous to think that Congress would have negotiated and enacted all the changes to FISA in the Patriot Act if it thought it had just authorized the President to ignore FISA in the AUMF.
In addition, in the intelligence authorization bill passed in December 2001, we extended the emergency authority in FISA, at the Administration’s request, from 24 to 72 hours. Why do that if the President has the power to ignore FISA? That makes no sense at all.
The President has also said that his inherent executive power gives him the power to approve this program. But here the President is acting in direct violation of a criminal statute. That means his power is, as Justice Jackson said in the steel seizure cases half a century ago, “at its lowest ebb.” A letter from a group of law professors and former executive branch officials points out that “every time the Supreme Court has confronted a statute limiting the Commander-in-Chief’s authority, it has upheld the statute.” The Senate reports issued when FISA was enacted confirm the understanding that FISA overrode any pre-existing inherent authority of the President. As the 1978 Senate Judiciary Committee report stated, FISA “recognizes no inherent power of the president in this area.” And “Congress has declared that this statute, not any claimed presidential power, controls.” Contrary to what the President told the country in the State of the Union, no court has ever approved warrantless surveillance in violation of FISA.
The President’s claims of inherent executive authority, and his assertions that the courts have approved this type of activity, are baseless.
But it is one thing to make a legal argument that has no real support in the law. It is much worse to do what the President has done, which is to make misleading statements about what prior Presidents have done and what courts have approved, to try to make the public believe his legal arguments are much stronger than they are.
For example, in the State of the Union, the President argued that federal courts have approved the use of presidential authority that he was invoking. I asked the Attorney General about this when he came before the Judiciary Committee, and he could point me to no court – not the Supreme Court or any other court – that has considered whether, after FISA was enacted, the President nonetheless had the authority to bypass it and authorize warrantless wiretaps. Not one court. The Administration’s effort to find support for what it has done in snippets of other court decisions would be laughable if this issue were not so serious.
In the same speech, the President referred to other Presidents in American history who cited executive authority to order warrantless surveillance. But of course, those past presidents – like Wilson and Roosevelt – were acting before the Supreme Court decided in 1967 that our communications are protected by the Fourth Amendment, and before Congress decided in 1978 that the executive branch could no longer unilaterally decide which Americans to wiretap. I asked the Attorney General about this issue when he testified before the Judiciary Committee. And neither he nor anyone in the Administration has been able to come up with a single prior example of wiretapping inside the United States since 1978 that was conducted outside FISA’s authorization.
So the President’s arguments in the State of the Union were baseless, and it is unacceptable that the President of the United States would so obviously mislead the Congress and American public.
The President also has argued that periodic internal executive branch review provides an adequate check on the program. He has even characterized this periodic review as a safeguard for civil liberties. But we don’t know what this check involves. And we do know that Congress explicitly rejected this idea of unilateral executive decision-making in this area when it passed FISA.
Finally, the President has tried to claim that informing a handful of congressional leaders, the so-called Gang of Eight, somehow excuses breaking the law. Of course, several of these members said they weren’t given the full story. And all of them were prohibited from discussing what they were told. So the fact that they were informed under these extraordinary circumstances does not constitute congressional oversight, and it most certainly does not constitute congressional approval of the program.
Indeed, it doesn’t even comply with the National Security Act, which requires the entire memberships of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee to be “fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States.” Nor does the latest agreement to allow a seven-member subcommittee to review the program comply with the law. Granting a minority of the committee access to information is inadequate and still does not comply with the law requiring that the full committee be kept fully informed.
In addition, we now know that some of the Gang of Eight expressed concern about the program. The Administration ignored their protests. One of the eight members of Congress who has been briefed about the program, Congresswoman Jane Harman, ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, has said she sees no reason why the Administration cannot accomplish its goals within the law as currently written.
None of the President’s arguments explains or excuses his conduct, or the NSA’s domestic spying program. Not one. It is hard to believe that the President has the audacity to claim that they do.
And perhaps that is what is most troubling here, Mr. President. Even more troubling than the arguments the President has made is what he relies on to make them convincing – the credibility of the office of the President itself. He essentially argues that the American people should trust him simply because of the office he holds.
But Presidents don’t serve our country by just asking for trust, they must earn that trust, and they must tell the truth.
This President hides behind flawed legal arguments, and even behind the office he holds, but he cannot hide from what he has created: nothing short of a constitutional crisis. The President has violated the law, and Congress must respond. Congress must investigate and demand answers. Congress should also determine whether current law is inadequate and address that deficiency if it is demonstrated. But before doing so, Congress should ensure that there is accountability for authorizing illegal conduct.
A formal censure by Congress is an appropriate and responsible first step to assure the public that when the President thinks he can violate the law without consequences, Congress has the will to hold him accountable. If Congress does not reaffirm the rule of law, we will create another failure of leadership, and deal another blow to the public’s trust.
The President’s wrongdoing demands a response. And not just a response that prevents wrongdoing in the future, but a response that passes judgment on what has happened. We in the Congress bear the responsibility to check a President who has violated the law, who continues to violate the law, and who has not been held accountable for his actions.
Passing a resolution to censure the President is a way to hold this President accountable. A resolution of censure is a time-honored means for the Congress to express the most serious disapproval possible, short of impeachment, of the Executive’s conduct. It is different than passing a law to make clear that certain conduct is impermissible or to cut off funding for certain activities. Both of those alternatives are ways for Congress to affect future action. But when the President acts illegally, he should be formally rebuked. He should be censured.
The founders anticipated abuses of executive power by creating a balance of powers in the Constitution. Supporting and defending the Constitution, as we have taken an oath to do, require us to preserve that balance, and to have the will to act. We must meet a serious transgression by the President with a serious response. We must work, as the founders urged us in Federalist Number 51, to control the abuses of government.
The Constitution looks to the Congress to right the balance of power. The American people look to us to take action, to speak out, with one clear voice, against wrongdoing by the President of the United States. In our system of government, no one, not even the President, is above the law.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the text of the resolution be printed in the Record following my remarks. I yield the floor.
Damn. Great speech Russ.
But what’s with the political reactions?
Reading those few you posted makes me think of a bad teen movie.
Cornyn comes across like the dumb football jock, and Boehner and Frist as the rich twits. The “popular kids”.
The Dems (Reid, et al) are the geeks and losers, afraid of alienating the popular kids who mock and despise them, or the teachers/establishment (political pundits).
Russ is the smart, hip, tell-it-like it is rebel kid.
Except in this version, the good guy loses.
(I hope he kicks ass in the sequel, coming in November!)
Go Russ!!! But it sounds like the reactors are perhaps just a tad concerned.
You caught that too!
They have to react that way. Otherwise they would appear like loosers immediately ;-]
Thanks for posting the full transcript. Since we’re sharing the opinions of “those we value”, I’d like to include the unbiased words of Tony Blankley, who – while appearing on Harball – said that Feingold would be lucky if he got 12 others to support him.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see. . .
Twelve other Senators!!!???
Not a CHANCE.
He’ll be lucky to get ONE.
AG
Arthur, I’ve missed your ray of sunshine.
But I’m glad you made sure to stop by and spread it around. ;^)
I shine on despite the cloudy weather.
I am the sun of bloggerman.
AG
A great speech, Senator Feingold.
In a soundbite world, however, it’s only a paper moon and the audience is in a trance.
Nice try.
Start another party.
The Reality Party.
It’s our only chance.
They want to make “new realities”, these hustlers?
Let’s GIVE ’em one.
AG
This is the one, brother, this is the one. This gets the word out to Americams that the MSM is lying to them, along with everyone else dissing Russ’ revolution….er, resolution.
They tried to cover up and smother Rep Conyers dual motions to censure Bush and Cheney independently, but now they’ll have to recognize those too.
Thank You Sen. Russ and rock on
Sorry, rumi, but…bullshit.
They will Conyers Feingold too.
A llittle harder…him being white and a Senator and all, but…what the hell.
He IS Jewish, y’know.
And they’re ALL a little uppity. With them big words an’ everything
Like:
Now…whut the HELL is THAT shit s’pose t’mean? Why cain’t these people jes’ SAY WHUT THEY GODDAMNED WELL MEAN!!!???
Fuckin’ commie bastids…send ’em ALL back to Israel.
And…that’s all for Russ.
Good MORNING America!!!
How ABOUT that new TV series?
And the Baseball Classic?
WOW!!!
S.S.S.
Some sad shit.
AG
I thought you above most others, would get it. The PermaGov has to crucify him….sorry for that small bit of irony there, to place him in a more visible position. The more the MSM and PG employees bash Feingold and Conyers, the more the waking public wil also disown the MSM….freepers don’t count. I just lurked their site and most of them think this move will prohibit surveillance of suspected terrorists…heh.
You know, rumi…sometimes I don’t have the faintest idea of exactly what it is that you are trying to say.
Try again?
Or…maybe not…
AG
The only way to fight the PermaGov is to break away from it. That’s what’s happening with Feingold. The correct-minded Americans will see this and also see it’s not partisan politics….it’s about the Constitution and upholding the oath of office.
Simple.
See the box you’re thinking in?
Step out of it.
But…that’s what I have been SAYING.
AG
However..I don’t think that the American people WILL react that way.
ZZZZzzzzz…
Sleeple.
And neither do the controllers.
Bet on it.
AG
😀
huh,….I thought I’d heard that somewhere before. You say you’ve said that here?
I think I’ve heard remarks like those of the esteemed Republican Congressmen. I think they said it in German though.
I’m with Arthur on this one. The American people and the Democratic party need to WAKE THE FUCK UP. And soon.
Spreading disunity around the globe by not letting the President violate the Constitution indeed.
Wow. It’s seriously precipice time here eh.
Is there a wall around here? I’d like to bash my head against for a while.
There’s always dKos…
AG
No thanks. I have an aversion to orange 🙂
The Constitutional system of checks and balances is unequivocally and irreparably broken.
I do not understand the refusal of the D’s to stand up and be counted. Win, lose or draw, today marked an opportunity to make a statement that would resonate with many in this country who feel abandoned by the party as well as the government.
I do not care to argue about media access/bias, polls, centrist voters, stratregy, spin, what have you; this overwhelming lack of support by the D’s as a whole, and Reid in particular, are unconscionable given the obvious “fear” of the truth being exhibited by the wingers.
A great piece of oratory, but in the end, just another death rattle in the throat of the republic, formerly known as the United States of America.
“Talking isn’t doing. It is a kind good deed to say well; and yet
words are not deeds.” Wm. Shakespeare
What’s it going to take?
The democratic party is dead.
Peace
I agree, in part, but I don’t see Sen Feingold as being representative of the current dem party. I think this will eventually be known as the breakaway after defectors from both parties move to support Russ.
It’s the fundamental problem with electing virulently right-wing Democrats. They support the people you’re trying to fight against.
I am in complete agreement. There is no democratic party, the political system, vis-à-vis the historic oppositional nature of separate parties, has become monolithic. There is no opposition.
Only game in town…corporate America and the new BushCo™ operational mantra: “The Long War”.
The system is broken and an election is not going to fix it.
Peace
I don’t understand it either. Feingold speaks for me; I would guess that he speaks for most of us.You have to at admit, he has courage.
It’s completely predictable that the Repubs would trash the whole Feingold motion. After all, they do have to extend the scope of their lies and their propaganda in order to defend their destructive policies and trick voters into supporting them again.
But the Dems have no such compelling incentives. They have no reason to capitulate with such regularity to the Repub authority. They have no compelling reason to support Repub positions by either their silence or their equivocating votes.
The only reason they do these things is because they are political cowards, using the excuse that such capitulation is part of a strategy to let the Repubs “hang themselves”. And make no mistake; this “strategy” is a very appealing sort of excuse for any politician who has trouble reconciling his/her tendency to elevate personal ambition over principle. By telling themselves that it’s “smart” to remain silent rather than speaking out on controversial issues and risking political backlash, this strategy legitimizes their unprincipled cowardice in their own minds so they can sustain the delusion that they’re doing the ethical thing.
Nevermind that this so-called strategy has not yielded a single electoral victory in over 12 years and has made the current leadership of the Dem party look like spineless bags of shit. Nevermind that the rapacious beltway consultants responsible for this strategic debacle are winless even as they enrich themselves over and over again with the same dysfunctional memes and the same idiotic spin.
Our own Democratic party leadership is a more formidable adversary to our own best interests than the Repubs are.
the current leadership of the Dem party look like spineless bags of shit
Exactly. Today I am more disappointed and angry with the D’s than I’ve ever been. Any hope I have in them is on life support. It might be time to DNR and move on.
http://actionalert.blogspot.com/2006/03/support-conyers-impeachment.html
maybe arrange a mass call-in for, say, wednesday?
What Sen Feingold has done is to call bullshit on everyone. It’s a Catch 22 that forces honesty and the MSM will talk themselves into a corner.
If it’s not illegal (no need for censure) then there’s no need to introduce legislation to make it legal retroactively.
why is this whole damn thread filled with Dem bashing? Did I mention any Dems in this piece other than Feingold. Ask yourselves why this thread turned out this way?
Seriously. This article is clearly not about the Dems reaction.
Sorry about that. I must’ve missed the part where the Democrats rose up to support him in their reaction and prove the Rep/MSM claims false.
Because all the other places where this story showed up earlier today also quoted Reid and Lieberman’s tepid (at best) responses?
And for those of us who were cheering Russ on (100% of us?) were again let down by the lack of backing he’s getting from his own party.
Did everyone go off script?
You’re starting to sound like your buddy Armando. Scary.
(and I’m saying this as a person who replied pretty much on-script, and who got no replies to the one comment. The other team is evil incarnate, blah blah blah… its either boring or depressing to dwell on it, since we have zero influence over the Republicans. Its the Dem party we’re going to go work our asses off for this election. It would be helpful if they were all more like Russ, no?)
when did we become frightened turtles that back up Washington Post headlines and Joe Lieberman talking points with diatribes of defeatism?
The point of the article was “look at what we’re up against.” We! We who would like to stand with Russ.
Sorry for my complaining. I frustrated like everyone else.
Gah!
I didn’t read the above as defeatism.
As for what we’re up against, I think everyone figured that out. Republicans who dismiss the truth as irrelevant, and unfortunately too many prominent Dems who do nearly the same thing.
But I do see your point about us griping during what was clearly a victory celebration moment.
Feingold did what we all hoped someone would do. And yeah, it’d be nice to counter the “official (white house) press” with cheers and accolades, and give spirit to our representatives, and start a national discussion.
And instead its more likely going to be bottled up as “Everyone says that Feingold is a kook. We can ignore whatever he said. After all, it looks really long.”
But for the good outcome, its really going to take our “leaders” in DC to shut up and either support him, or change the subject to some other Dem strength.
Mealy mouthed crap about president/support/in wartime isn’t gonna convince the press this is a Democratic position, so much as one Democrat’s position. And the latter can be dismissed.
Anyhow YAY Feingold!
And I’ll be dialing Dayton in the morning. He doesn’t have the balls/funding/support to run for his own damn seat, so what does he have to lose by supporting Feingold? Support him — and get the hell out there and get a quote or two off to the papers while you’re at it, Dayton.
This thread contained the following points:
What did you expect?
The Dems are dead.
Of course, they’re dead.
Form a third party.
Anyone who thinks more than one Senator will support Russ is an ostrich.
The Dems suck.
What did you expect?
That’s what you get when you support a Dem.
Thirty comments, about 20 of them of this nature. Where is the fight? That is what I am tired of. Do we come here to discuss the nice points of our impotence? Do we look at write florid prose about our doom?
We need to fight back against headlines like the one in the Washington Post, and flood weak-kneed Congress critters with mail. Don’t let a few people that have only one message: ‘the GOP is crooked but don’t think you can change a thing you moron’ take over this site with defeatism.
We all get demoralized and the Dems need a constant kick in the ass. But I don’t pour my sweat into this because I think we are impotent fools.
Sorry in advance for my tone. But I am frustrated with what I see as an effort to strip us of our own resolve, our own fighting spirit, and our own belief in the potential for progress.
Well, when you list em that way…
Tho to be fair, I think the last one was more “That’s what you get when you support a right-wing Dem”. That, and it wasn’t so much 8 negative dem-bashing points as a discussion or 3 that raised 8 points.
(and no need to apologize for you tone when you’re very specific about what exactly is ticking you off 😀 )
Did you see the comments the other day on ways to improve Bootrib?
This is a perfect example of where a special “Action Item” hint in the diary could have really swung the tone of the conversation.
Say if there was a box — blue background, white text, listing 2-3 very very simple goals or even specific actions we could take. Things we could do ourselves in our own communities/homes/offices to take this beyond having a conversation here online. Something like this:
Then put 5-10 of these action item lists into a sidebar like Recommended World Diaries, and keep them there until their item-usefulness expires.
(as for the Dem bashing and 3rd party talk, I had a big long response, but its a bit much for a comment. For many posters here (and Dems in general) — the current crop of Dems don’t really represent them. But there is no alternative in 06 (too much at stake), and anyhow its more practical to rebuild the broken Dem party the way the religious right took over the GOP than it is to wait for a perfect 3rd party to materialize and solve our problems, (in my opinion). Dean is the only prominent Dem who gets it, but he has to keep his trap shut to have any chance to pull it off.)
I actually wanted to do that, but I had 10 minutes to make that post and it took me 30 to put it togehter. 20 minutes late, in other words, and still hadn’t put the action items into it.
Yeah, that happens.
I’ve been thinking a lot about that action item suggestion tho. The thought behind it was dead on.
A blog is just a newspaper. Sure, its highly interactive, but its still just transitory observation and commentary. Newspapers change minds, but they don’t change the world.
People acting with the mindsets they get from the newspapers — that’s what changes the world.
The lifespan of a blog entry is limited to the time its being actively discussed.
For an unrecommended diary, or comment therein… 0 to 12 hours.
For a front paged item… 1/2 to 1 day
For a recommended diary… 1-4 days
After that, its gone. Some things can be completed in those time frames, but much of what we need to do cannot. Maybe that’s why the diaries and topics are often so repetitive — we restart important conversations, kick them around, and they fade away again.
The action item idea keeps the issue alive longer. Thats why action items probably do work best as diaries — so they can have commentary, and keep the discussion alive. But they need to be kept fresh, too — summarized and reposted, with links to past discussions, like a really long liveblog.
Well, BooMan, I don’t know how old you are, but those of us who lived through politics in the 1970s will recall this (from wiki):
“McGovern ran [in 1972] on a platform that advocated unilateral withdrawal from the Vietnam War…an across-the-board, 37% reduction in defense spending over three years [White p. 123], a “demogrant” program giving $1,000 to every citizen in America…ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment…was viewed by many voters as unacceptably radical. In the general election, the McGovern/Shriver ticket suffered a 60% – 38% defeat to incumbent President Richard Nixon — at the time the second biggest landslide in American history, with Electoral College totals of 520 to 17.”
It’s certain that the vast majority of Democratic politicians have had this story drummed into them constantly, from their PolySci 101 class through their successful election campaigns. They’re scared to death, rightfully so, of duplicating this trick…
Why the Dem bashing? Because they are a non-party of simpering opportunists when what is needed is an opposition. The Dems have been all but dead for a while. The primary difference between the two heads of our corporate party is that the repugs behave like a political party and have an ideology that they adhere to (which for all intents and purposes is fascism) whereas the Dems are a loose bunch of opportunists representing nothing. Principle, even bad principle, will always win out over opportunism.
Tne Dems don’t even have the courage to challenge the corruption of the electoral system that will keep them out of power much less to demand an independent investigation of this administration’s complicity in high crimes against the nation and humanity.
Of what use are they? We need an alternative or they will continue to take us for granted and rot where they are.
Didn’t Kerry express support for Russ? Let’s not declare total defeat just yet.
Defeat? We’ve been waiting forever for someone to do what Russ has done. This is victory.
I know that I have heard you, and others express the hope that he might be a Presidential candidate.
Don’t know how he feels about that, so forgive my ignorance on that point, but I have another question –
Has there been any official reaction from Democratic party officials?
Do you think he discussed it with them before making his speech today?
I guess what I am wondering, was the Party thinking of it maybe as a sort of trial balloon? I can understand your (and other peoples’) disappointment that more politicians you admire did not express as much enthusiasm as you had hoped, but I am wondering if it is something that the Party itself would have encouraged, or would they see it as a little more controversial than they would want to position themselves in an election year?
I’m bone tired, okay?
But there is something I want to say.
Looking back at everything that has happened in this country since Harry Truman signed the National Security Act in 1947 we can see something that can be justly called the PermaGov. That PermaGov is an IMPROVEMENT over what we have now. The salient point about BushCo. is that they broke the PermaGov covenent. They smashed the tablets.
It is not just more of the same. We’ll be lucky to get back to a PermaGov, but we have to start somewhere. And the first step is convincing the mainstream DC cocktail circuit that their gig is at risk, and the only way they might preserve it is to dub Bushism as criminal, outlaw and punish the architects.
The only man that is leading on this issue is Feingold. And truth be told, he is about the best politician in the country on the issues, on personal ethics, and on political skills to deliver the point.
So, can we please give the man his props tonight and rejoice that he has done what we all know needed to be done? The Dems need a boot in the ass, they need to see which way the weather is blowing. The jury is still out on this.
Feingold is putting the wind of all activists in his sails, and that can only be a good thing for his prospects in 2008. He certainly isn’t winning on the back of BIG MONEY.
I understand that you admire him a lot, what I am curious to know, and have not heard a lot about, is how popular is he with the Party officials?
And is the censure idea that he would have discussed with them beforehand?
Is there a possibility that if he did, he might have been told, sure, go ahead, do that, either out of a lack of enthusiasm for him as a potential candidate, or to see as you put it, which way the weather was blowing, or maybe some of both, but maybe neglected to make any attempt to discover how the weather was with the other politicians, or suggest that they show some support for it.
Boo – thanks for the reminder. I think this is a good discussion.
I was one that made a defeatist comment above about the Dems. Here’s how it played out for me.
I was home yesterday and got excited at the possibility of watching Feingold make his speech. I even emailed some friends to watch, thinking this was really a big moment. I had visions of something like Murtha’s “moment” or better. Then, I watched all the shenanigans both before and after Feingold talked. Maybe I misread Reid, but I saw tension between he and Feingold – nothing approximating support. And then I read about Dem strategists and the media, not to mention the Repugs, dismissing him and calling it “political” (that one always gets me – everything they do is political – that’s their job for chrisake). Its like I floated up and then the bubble burst – and I got really angry. I suppose it reminds me of the pain I felt with how they crushed Dean. And I see it all playing out again before it even happens.
You’re challenge does remind me how quickly I loose hope these days. Not sure what to do about that – it seems pretty “reality-based.” But I’m willing to try.
No, he “flip-FLOPped”
The sooner we all realize that sitting around emailing and faxing these people whom we are ALL PAYING to not do their jobs, the sooner we all realize that the only way to make clear to the MSM, the people, and the pathetic excuses for “leaders” we are currently paying all this money to participate in the ongoing destruction of our country, the sooner we realize the ONLY way to make clear that RUSS FEINGOLD DOES NOT STAND ALONE is to take this to the STREETS–the better off we will be.
Mexican immigrants have figured that out–why can’t we!
Because we aren’t quite accustomed to doing the jobs no one wants to do? Maybe?
Because it’s easier to email?
Fax?
Piss and moan? Argue about whether Harry Ried is an asshole or a saint? Scan the horizon for signs of the next FDR or JFK–who will it be, the sexy jr senator from Illinois or the shrillary little Princess Diana clone with a NY twist?
How much longer are we going to wait for the ‘opposition’ party to do its job before we get out and do it for them–because frankly, you can piss and moan all you want about THEM not doing THEIR job–well just as it is THEIR job to hold the president accountable, it is OUR job to hold them accountable–or at the very least, make our voices known–and the ONLY way to do that now is to get OUT ON THE STREETS.
They AREN’T LISTENING. You think we didn’t make enough phone calls? Didn’t fax enough complaints? Didn’t send enough emails?
What are you afraid of? Namecalling? Well, shame on you you nutcase hippie peace loving womens studies crowd starkravingmotherfuckinglunatic radical. Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame. What are you, some kind of fucking LIBERAL or something? Why are you so “angry”?
(Angry? Trying fucking over the top batshit loony “excessively” OUTRAGED!)
Emails can be deleted, faxes tossed in the trash. And that’s exactly what’s happening to them. The blogworld overestimates its ‘power’. The bimbos are clearly on to it: they regularly expect the onslaught of emails, faxes, phone calls–probably already have ‘management systems’ in place to handle the stuff. 300,000 people on the street are a little more difficult to “manage.”
You call this “defeatism” BooMan? No. It’s not. It’s a realistic assessment of the situation: what we are doing now is NOT working. It isn’t. We need to mobilize the majority and get them out on the streets. Everything else is fucking narcissitic navel gazing (oh, gosh, do you think my brilliant diary will make the rec list?) ;(
Fact is: the MAJORITY is not in here on the blogs. We can use the blogs to spread the word, but this matter needs to hit the streets!!!! So the question I would like to see asked is
How can we get the bloggers off of the computer and on to the streets. If we can get the bloggers out, others may just FOLLOW. You never know until you try.
This just in from World Can’t Wait.
I will be at the march in Chicago Saturday, and if I have to “stand alone”, I will be there.
Enough is enough.
What I am having a hard time with is this “ya gotta tow the party line” or you’re out of the party. I absolutely know that Fiengold spoke for us yesterday and then gets poopoohed for it from all sides. We MUST fight back. This is an action item for sure. Flood the switchboard at the Capitol, at their local offices. Fax not just your own reps but every reps office. Then get going with LTEs and calling the RWMSM. I am not a very good organiser but I know many are here. We have to help ourselves and the time is now. Fiengold has called a spade a spade. He has accused this administration of breaking the law. Let’s help him and get the momentum going here. He gave us what we have been begging for now for years. He gave us a voice. Let’s support him in anyway we can.He needs to hear from us too.
MSNBC question of the day poll. Go freep now please.
What do you think of Sen. Feingold’s proposal to censure Pres. Bush? * 31005 responses
Political grandstanding 25%
A way to hold him accountable 75%
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/
Thanks for the quotations. I’m possessed of an exceedingly dark and ironic sense of humor, and thus find the rhetoric from the elephants to be more and more humorous, the more it resembles the trumpeting of a stampeding herd.
This one had a particularly resonant, Edgar Alan Poe, Masque of the Red Death ring to it.
Cornyn and his cronies also conjure images of Fortunato, chained and being walled up into the wine cellar in The Casque of Amontillado, laughing because he wants to believe that being buried alive is only a joke, that he isn’t being “snuffed” by someone smarter, more clever, and more motivated than he.
Feingold is clearly now the pre-eminent legislator in America.
The Republican noise machine will throw mud at him, the GOP legislators will shout and spit, and most democrats will cower in the glare of public scrutiny, but when the dust settles, regardless of what all the cowards do, Russ will have his own page in history as a Senator of integrity, courage, and loyalty to the law and his constituents.
nice comment
If Sen Feingold and/or the resolution to censure were insignificant, they would be met with silence instead.