To those of us who have been following the Administration’s hard line on Iran, it was a tad surprising that so many folks in wwwLand seemed shocked this past weekend when Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker and Peter Baker, Dafna Linzer and Thomas E. Ricks in The Washington Post reported that the Pentagon has been generating plans for attacking Iran, some of which include the use of nuclear weapons.
Had they all forgotten Mister Bush’s famous pre-Inaugural line to NBC’s David Gregory 15 months ago?
Gregory: About Iran, will you rule out the potential for military action against Iran if it continues to stonewall the international community about the existence of its nuclear weapons program?
Bush: I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I will never take any option off the table.
Like an increasing number of Americans, I empty a salt-shaker atop every utterance Mister Bush emits. This one, however, I took at face value. Too many of the Administration’s ideological mentors have argued for the practical necessity of using nuclear weapons in the post-Cold War age to presume that “any option” would exclude a pre-emptive nuking.
Indeed, these men are the very ones who have long pushed to deploy bunker-buster nukes that they think could be exploded without eliciting the global outrage that most certainly would ensue if they were to use some of the giant city-crushers developed for blowing the USSR to kingdom come during the Cold War. Men like Stephen Cambone, Linton Brooks, Steven Hadley, J.D. Crouch. Many of them, along with former CIA chief James Woolsey, are connected with the National Institute for Public Policy, a rightwing think-tank whose members believe the United States should adopt policies to fight nuclear war “rationally.”
So any option obviously includes the possibility that the next radioactive mushroom clouds you see will be American, just as were the last ones six decades ago.
What is off the table, however, is the option that might actually defuse the situation: face to face negotiations. Again, on Monday, according to the Financial Times coverage of Mister Bush’s question-and-answer session with students in Washington:
Mr Bush’s rejection of any bilateral negotiations will be a disappointment to the EU3 countries of France, Germany and the UK, which have been urging the US to engage in direct talks with Tehran. The Iranian government has also sent out signals that it desires such direct negotiations with Washington.
Mr Bush said any effort to engage the Iranians directly on the nuclear issue would weaken efforts to dissuade Iran.
“It’s amazing that, when we’re in a bilateral position or negotiating one-on-one, somehow the world ends up turning the tables on us. And I’m not going to put my country in that position,” he said.
Meanwhile, Seymour Hersh said Monday in an interview with the BBC that:
…the Pentagon had told the Bush administration initially that a nuclear attack was the only way of guaranteeing success:
“Nobody was advocating it, they were just saying a 100% guarantee. Where it becomes interesting, the joint chiefs, in one of its subsequent papers, wanted to withdraw that option because of course it’s madness, a nuclear weapon in the Middle East to an Arab [sic] Muslim country, my God. And the White House won’t withdraw.
“That’s the issue, that the White House, some people there still wanted to have this option. That’s what’s causing the trauma, not that they’re going to do it, but the White House won’t take it off the table.”
Since the New Yorker and Washington Post articles appeared, there’s been widespread sentiment that the whole attack scenario (whether nukes are used or not) might well be a bluff. But, as James Fallows notes in the May issue of The Atlantic Monthly, a pre-emptive bombing campaign was a bad idea two years ago:
Everything that has changed since then increases the pressure on the United States to choose the “military option” of a pre-emptive strike–and makes that option more ruinously self-defeating.
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Perhaps the American and Israeli hard-liners know all this, and are merely bluffing. If so, they have made an elementary strategic error. The target of their bluff is the Iranian government, and the most effective warnings would be discreet and back-channel. Iranian intelligence should be picking up secret signals that the United States is planning an attack. By giving public warnings, the United States and Israel “create `excess demand’ for military action,” as our war-game leader Sam Gardiner recently put it, and constrain their own negotiating choices.
Simply put, it means that the Administration may very well find itself unable not to bomb because that would mean backing down, and that would give the Iranians (and other nations) the idea that the United States is, as, Mao used to say, a “paper tiger.” In other words, Mister Bush will be required – in his own mind, at least – to deliver on the tough-guy posture he’s struck regarding Iran.
Fallows concludes:
The inconvenient truth of American foreign policy is that the last five years have left us with a series of choices–and all of them are bad. The United States can’t keep troops in Iraq indefinitely, for obvious reasons. It can’t withdraw them, because of the chaos that would ensue. The United States can’t keep prisoners at Guantánamo Bay (and other overseas facilities) indefinitely, because of international and domestic challenges. But it can’t hastily release them, since many were and more have become terrorists. And it can’t even bring them to trial, because of procedural abuses that have already occurred.
Similarly, the United States can’t accept Iran’s emergence as a nuclear power, but it cannot prevent this through military means–unless it is willing to commit itself to all-out war. The central flaw of American foreign policy these last few years has been the triumph of hope, wishful thinking, and self-delusion over realism and practicality. Realism about Iran starts with throwing out any plans to bomb.
Mister Bush’s reference to “any option” first appeared January 17, 2005, the same day The New Yorker posted another Hersh piece, in which he wrote:
One Western diplomat told me that the Europeans believed they were in what he called a “lose-lose position” as long as the United States refuses to get involved [in negotiations with Iran]. “France, Germany, and the U.K. cannot succeed alone, and everybody knows it,” the diplomat said. “If the U.S. stays outside, we don’t have enough leverage, and our effort will collapse.” The alternative would be to go to the Security Council, but any resolution imposing sanctions would likely be vetoed by China or Russia, and then “the United Nations will be blamed and the Americans will say, `The only solution is to bomb.’ “
Whoever that unnamed diplomat is, s/he seems to have hit the bullseye.
With “any option” still on the table, it would have been hilarious Monday when Mister Bush called what’s contained in last week’s Hersh piece “wild speculation.” Hilarious, except it’s another war we’re talking about, and the President didn’t deny Hersh’s accuracy.
In his earlier article, Hersh had noted that the:
… Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer [2004]. Much of the focus is on the accumulation of intelligence and targeting information on Iranian nuclear, chemical, and missile sites, both declared and suspected. The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids. “The civilians in the Pentagon want to go into Iran and destroy as much of the military infrastructure as possible,” the government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon told me.
A month later, in February 2005, Scott Ritter, the former Marine and U.N. weapons inspector who stirred a good deal of rightwing hate with his claims in 2002 that Iraq wasn’t a threat, said the Administration planned to attack Iran in June 2005.
There’s considerable evidence that the Administration’s war against Iran did begin then, with clandestine bombings and sabotage. But the aerial assault never developed. This may well have been because the prevailing attitude at the White House was exactly as foreseen by that Western diplomat Hersh cited: push the Security Council to take action that neither China nor Russia would likely countenance, blame the United Nations, and then bomb.
So, today, with a crescendo of verbal attacks against Tehran appearing practically every day – aided by the outrageous comments of the messianic Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – a real attack, beyond whatever black ops are going on already, seems ever more likely.
Although some have argued that 450 targets are at risk in Iran, which would presumably mean massive casualties, even a relatively narrow assault could mean thousands dead, as the Oxford Research Group pointed out in its Iran: Consequences of a War published two months ago. That wouldn’t, of course, be the only bad outcome.
The BBC noted Monday:
But a nuclear attack is improbable.
There are three main reasons of military and diplomatic importance for this.
* The first is that even a nuclear “bunker-buster” would produce large amounts of radiation. This could cause thousands of casualties among civilian populations.
The Federation of American Scientists says that “the bombs would penetrate at most only a few metres into rock, causing no reduction in blast, fire, or fallout damage on the surface. The largest would have blown out a crater almost a thousand feet across and thrown a cloud of radioactive fallout tens of thousands of feet into the air where it would be blown hundreds of miles downwind.”
- The second is that the political implications are so huge of the US attacking, with nuclear weapons, a country (and in the Muslim world) which is not armed with similar weapons and which says it has no intention of making.
- The third reason is that, doctrinally, the US is moving away from developing new nuclear bunker busters. It does have one already, the B61-11, but it cannot penetrate very deeply and last year Congress withdrew, at the administration’s request, funding for further research.
However, if insanity won the day and an attack did go nuclear, the death toll could be frightful. In January I took note of the May 2005, report by the Physicians for Social Responsibility, Projected Casualties Among U.S. Military Personnel and Civilian Populations from the Use of Nuclear Weapons Against Hard and Deeply Buried Targets.
Using computer software ― the Hazard Prediction and Assessment Capability developed by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency ― PSR experts modeled a single-nuke attack on the city of Isfahan, Iran, The impact of a 1.2-megaton bomb was modeled:
From the HPAC calculations, we estimate that within 48 hours of an … attack, over 3 million people would die as a result of the attack. About half of those would die from radiation-related causes, either prompt casualties from the immediate radiation effects of the bomb, or from exposure to fallout. For example, the entire city of Isfahan would likely be covered in fallout producing 1000 rems of radiation per hour, a fatal dose. Over 600,000 people would suffer immediate injuries of the kind described previously. …
…within 48 hours, prevailing winds would spread fallout to cover a large area in Iran, most of Afghanistan and then spread on into Pakistan and India. There is little likelihood, in most seasons, that rain would mitigate the spread of fallout.
In this scenario, over 35 million people in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India would suffer significant radiation exposure of 1 rem per hour or above within four days of the use of the RNEP. At this rate, the 25 rem limit at which physical effects can be expected would be reached within 25 hours of first exposure, and the 100 rem limit at which more severe damage could be caused would be reached in only 4 days. (Given the lack of modern communications in this area, as well as the lack of advanced education available to the affected populations, it is unlikely that warnings would spread quickly enough to allow mitigating measures to be taken). Immediate effects would include skin burns and diarrhea secondary to gastro-intestinal cell damage. Long-term effects could include cancers. Many, if not all, of the approximately 20,000 American armed forces, intelligence and diplomatic personnel deployed in Afghanistan would be at risk of exposure at these radiation levels. While U.S. personnel could be evacuated, and would receive sophisticated medical care if necessary, this would not apply to the local population in most of the affected area.
However, unless targets were bured very deep – 1000 feet – the more likely choice, as Hersh has noted, is the bunker-buster known as the B61-11. It has a dialable yield ranging from subkiloton to 340 kilotons (30 times the yield of Fat Man, the bomb dropped on Nagasaki).
Whether several of these could actually destroy the hardened, deep underground facilities Iran may have is unclear. Eight-foot deep tunnels around Natanz would present little problem. But a National Research Council study noted that a nuclear warhead set off at the surface would take 25 times more power to destroy a buried facility than would a bomb exploded a few meters underground. Nonetheless, it would require a 300-kiloton earth-penetrating nuclear weapon to destroy a target 650 feet underground, and a 1-megaton weapon to destroy a hardened 1000-foot-deep facility.
The NRC concluded that:
Conclusion 3. Current experience and empirical predictions indicate that earth-penetrator weapons cannot penetrate to depths required for total containment of the effects of a nuclear explosion.
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Conclusion 6. For attacks near or in densely populated urban areas using nuclear earth-penetrator weapons on hard and deeply buried targets (HDBTs), the number of casualties can range from thousands to more than a million, depending primarily on weapon yield. For attacks on HDBTs in remote, lightly populated areas, casualties can range from as few as hundreds at low weapon yields to hundreds of thousands at high yields and with unfavorable winds.
It will take more than petitions to stop this madness.
The opinions of groups such as the FAS, PSR, NRC and BBC as to whether or not a certain course of action is sensible or probable do nothing to indicate the US administration’s military or strategic thinking.
Since when did common sense, humanitarian, environmental or other ethical concerns govern US actions abroad?
There’s always hope that this time things will be different. Or is that just codependent wishful thinking: a delusion that keeps us accepting a situation that is unacceptable?
Propagate at will.
Excellent quote. Thanks.
The more the nukes become more sophisticated, the more dangerous they are to even have in an arsenal.
This is not an administration that cares much about anything, as long as they do what they want and can get by with it. Whether it is all hat and no cattle, is besides the point at this conjuncture of the game. They are rogues and must be stopped at any cost. We, the ppl, have an obligation for such a thing. It is our constitutional right as citizens of this land to do such a thing. First stop them dead in their tracks and then imprison them for the rest of their natural lives. I will probably have the fbi at my door for saying this. So if I do get place in some unknown location for saying this you will know my absence is for this reason only…..;o) anyhow, great diary, MB. HOpe the family is doing well. hugs…
Let’s be brief. A mad man should not have access to ANY weapon, let alone one of the nuclear category.
The fact that we’re even discussing this topic is Certification that Bush and his Regent, Cheney, are not only mad but liars too. Both should be stripped and bounded over.
60 years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a unilateral act still exclusive to USA, it should be unthinkable to contemplate launching nuclear weapons – even if Iran was located on Saturn.
How do we stop this insanity? As others have stated, that we are even discussing the use of nuclear weapons is insane. We have a crazy man in the most powerful position on earth and an inch away from the red button. Will not anyone in DC fight this?
One thing that makes me absolutely certain this war will happen is what’s coming out of evangelical pulpits… they are flooding the tv with talk of the anti-christ being born in Iran and setting off WWIII. The flock is being primed for the war against the heathens as we speak.
L**d help us all.
your use of “Mister” Bush bugs just bugs the hell out of me. I know it from your earlier diary that it is sacrcasm but still…
…and on a couple of rightwing blogs I visit, there are complaints that I am “making fun” of the President, so it seems to be having the desired effect.
Guess I can tolerate it then!
The BBC is still having it’s strings pulled by the Blair folks. And we know that Blair & Co are being played by Bushco.
The quote from Bush saying that he won’t take any option of the table is terrifying! He is a bully with the biggest sticks in the world…and wants to use them – for no other reason than because he can.
Heaven help us all.
I agree that the use of bunker buster nuclear weapons is quite probable. The use of weapons containing depleted uranium is poisoning Iraq for decades to come, and our own soldiers.
Since when is humanitarian concerns a priority for this administration?
Bushco wants everything to be justifiable and acceptable to his base.
Without a direct attack on the U.S. I’m not sure that most of his base wouldn’t be appalled on by a pre-emptive nuclear attack. One thing about the rural base is that they don’t attack without being attacked first. I grew up in that culture and it just doesn’t feel like it would play. A conventional weapon attack maybe – just not nuclear.
I pray that they won’t do it…
I find it amazing that you would say his base wouldn’t attack without being attacked first. What about Iraq? Also, the unprovoked attack on gays, abortion providers and receipients, anyone who doesn’t fit their narrow confines…
and a lot of what was his base has shifted after watching the dabaucle of Iraq. The very hardcore fundamentalists will let him do what he wants. The rest are just average folks and bought the crap the first time. The interesting thing about ‘average’ folks – they usually don’t get hit with the same truck twice.
Remember it was the edges of his base that have their kids in Iraq. They still have kids and grandkids at home.
No, the middle of America will not support a nuclear attack on Iran. Maybe a conventional attack with bunker busters but not nuclear.
It doesn’t mean Bush won’t do it.
I know irony is dead and all, but does anyone find else find it a little odd that we’re threatening to use nuclear weapons against a country for developing nuclear power (and, some allege, nuclear weapons – though I think there is little proof for this from what I’ve read). Kind of like telling a child to not hit another child and then hitting the first child.
Not for lack of enthusiasm or for lack of trying, but I don’t think the BushCo Neocons are going to get their war with Iran, because I don’t think the big money, big oil, and big defense contractor people will allow it.
This seems perhaps counterintuitive but I think all these highly influential interest groups see such attacks as seriously destructive to their long term business (profit) interests.
I see signs that I interpret to indicate that the Neocons are losing their grip on power daily and at an accelerating rate and those who used to drive US foreign policy, (i.e. the Carlyle Group type crowd), are reasserting their considerable clout around the world with key governments and key international business groups.
But of course the neocons are quite insane rgardless and will remain extremely dangerous until they are completely stripped of power and their delusional ideology is repudiated on every level.
…I think the Administration may have already painted itself into a corner.
If the Security Council chooses not to impose sanctions – and China and Russia are going to be tough sells in that department – then Mister Bush is going to feel as if he has to make good on his previous threats to “do something” to stop Tehran from building a Bomb.
Will that merely be stepped-up efforts for internal-initiated regime change with assistance from black ops sabotage and assassination? Or will it be something bigger? Every time they increase the tempo of the drumbeat for war, an expectation arises throughout the world and among Americans that an attack is in the offing. If Mister Bush backs down from this without getting anything from Iran in return, then, in the minds of our leaders (and potential U.S. foes/competitors elsewhere) Tehran wins the game of chicken that’s being played.
I doubt the Administration will allow that to happen.
You could very well be right too MB, and my uncharacteristic optimism on this point might be unwarranted.
Certainly I understand the manipulative tactic of creating an “excess of demand” for war as a means of increasing the inevitability of such action, and coupled with that I see clearly that the Neocons will enthusiastically pursue any war they can create. Also, it’s clear to me that if the decision to attack Iran were up to Bush himself, it would be a foregone conclusion that he would give the order, if for no other reason than the mental and emotional dysfunction at the core of his being, his imbecillity, his petulance and anger, and his narcissistic, messianic zeal would compel him to. (And I imagine, given the tyrannical nature of the neocons, even they have made certain that somewhere in the White House and wherever Bush travels, there is always an aide close at hand with a tranquilizer dart ready in case Bush starts to spin too far off script and off reality in a public venue. And those who might push the neocons out and assert their own authority again within the policy realm I’m certain would keep this aide and his dart ever at the readyas well.)
So I doubt he’d be allowed to give such an order to proceed with a new and expanded war if the people controlling him didn’t want it to happen, and this is where the (what I see to be) flagging power of the neocons enters the picture.
I don’t see the neocons able to intimidate congress enough anymore to pressure them into providing real support for a widening, very expensive war. and I see congress, especially the Repubs, being very wary of giving the kind of carte blanche they gave last time, since, even though many will not admit it, the record of failure in Iraq tells them that more war will be not only bad for the country, but more importantly (to them), bad for their future electoral ambition.
Low poll numbers and the incredible weariness in the public mind from having to contend with all the ongoing dissonant news and opinion about the mess in Iraq; this is sending a signal to me that the public too, while not necessarily ready to admit it openly, understand that BushCo has made a mess of things and they resent it. And part of their resentment, (selfish though it might be), will be to withold support for congress critters who support the Bush/Neocon ambition too enthusiastically. (Needless to say there’s plenty of political cowardice to go around in DC, and the Repubs are worried enough these days anyway.)
My analysis is somewhat fragmented here; I probably could have been clearer except I just woke from a nap.
If I were a Dem strategist I’d be urging every Dem to , whenever they have access to a camera or a microphone or an op-ed page, to ridicule the BushCo threat of military action mercilessly and relentlessly. I would urge them to frame a simple message to the publs which says, basically; “If you think you’re sick and tired now of hearing about screwed up war and things getting worse and failed policy and mounting casualties andridiculous official rhetoric completely at odds with the facts, you ain’t seen nothing until you see the results that would inevitably ensue from an insane attack on Iran.” (Finding prominent Dems who would stand aginst the notion of attack and voice such a meme though, that’s another sad story.)
I try not to overestimate the awareness or the ethical stalwartness of the public, but I do believe many more millions of people would recognize the truth of such a statement now than would have 2 or 3 short years ago.
2nd to last para above; “publs” = “public”.
…more Americans will be wise to Mister Bush’s propaganda this time. But the polls indicate that the vast majority of Americans are worried about Iran getting the Bomb, and a smaller majority want something done about it.
Leading Dems – including Senator Clinton and Governor Dean among them – have not exactly been encouraging to the peace camp in their comments about Iran.
I agree that the weight of public opinion doesn’t favor my scenario, but then public opinion alone has never really stopped the bush regime from advancing their insanity.
My focus is on the big money, big international interest groups who I believe are now starting to proactively oppose the neocon agenda and pull the plug on them. My sense is that if the tide of the money and the behind the scenes power changes, then the rhetoric will change in the media and in politics, and the public will, as usual, be dragged along and into a new and different scheme of manipulative propaganda with a new set of fears and anxieties that wil exclude creating a new military war with Iran.
I think back to Vietnam and to all the protest we did back then, but in the end there was no epiphany in government, no realization that the whole thing was wrong from the gitgo. No the pols just realized that funding that debacle would only impair their ability to raise money from the big donors and advance their own careers.
I remain convinced that right now big business, including energy interests and weapons interests, se a widened war against Iran prosecuted by the Neocon numbskulls as having a catastrophically destructive impact on their own interests going forward. (I think this was the ultimate dynamic that stopped the Vietnam atrocity, despite the fact that I spent enormous effort and not a little blood and jail time vigorously protesting that war over most of it’s length and would like to think it was our protests that were the primary thing that brought that war to an end.)
Of course we are only able to speculate here. Time will tell where this thing will go, but we certainly have to vigorously oppose BushCo at every turn regardless.
If it looks like the Chinese and Russians are going to veto, France and the UK will line up with them, to prevent the Bushista’s from assuming the mantle of an anti-communist crusade. No one wants these guys to light the fuse, not even Blair.
Precisely.
There will be a preemptive strike on BushCo before there is one on Iran.
BET on it.
AG
More likely that the nukes they would use would be in the 700 ton range, perhaps deployed from the ground by crews with lateral drilling rigs…
Wow, I think I may need more tinfoil here…
And politicians can claim a great victory, that their objections, in case any of them raise any, to nuking Iran is what killed the plan.
Naturally all options must remain on the table in the war on terror, and should the Iranians show ingratitude, and continue to defy America or attempt to shoot down any planes bombing them with conventional bombs, that terrorist act would of course have to be responded to.
…a thought on my mind.
In my mind as well.
…conventional explosives.
I am aware of that, but there is no other reason that I can think of that a 700 ton conventional test would be performed, other than to assess rock stress fracture effects of a low-yield nuclear device.
I do feel that any attack on Iran would be done with conventional explosives, and I suspect that the big (conventional) Nevada test is more of a saber-rattling move than an indication that nukes are on the way.
My drilling/nuke scenario was pure tin-foil speculation.
I just hope it can be avoided, as it would be a grievous mistake…
At the risk of becoming a total bore on the subject, I still believe that strong Congressional involvement is about the best counterweight to this madness that we have. Nuclear has to be taken off the table, period, and members of Congress must demand it.
As for how this entire mess will play out, there is always the possibility that the Bushites will revert to some face-saving bullshit short of attack, if their position is so weak within the U.S., the UN and the world community. I’m not counting on it, but no-win situations as far as stopping an attack aren’t very motivating, and I believe we have to at least try to influence this outcome.
…Senator Clinton.
to take nuclear off the table? I accept the challenge (although I’m not a New York constituent.) I’ll let you know the outcome.
Even without fallout reaching Pakistan, how long does anyone think Musharraf will last if we bomb Iran? Or how long it will take for Paki nuclear materials to either be used or distributed for potential use?
Forgive the OT, but related piling on here. Condi was in Congress last week shillling for the deal. Democrats are divided over it.
from The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) petition page:
Does anyone ever bring up the point that an unprovoked attack, much less a nuclear one, is a war crime?
Anyone who disagrees with this supports terror.
Please, Knut.
A “war crime” is one that can be prosecuted.
In order to be prosecuted, the war criminals must first lose.
BIG time.
These criminals still stand a good chance of winning the next US elections no mattrer HOW badly they have fucked up.
Unless (until?) the US falls apart…it is invincible on THAT level. No one can bring these people to a war crimes trial. I mean…who’s gonna go get them?
AG