Robert Kagan is the co-founder with William Kristol of the Project for the New American Century and he thinks it will be better for America if the Democrats win the 2008 contest for the Presidency. If that surprises you, you haven’t been paying attention. As far as the PNAC crew goes, power isn’t about being a Republican or a Democrat, it’s about owning both parties. And, fortunately for us, Kagan is spectacularly upfront about this. To understand his mindset it’s important to understand that he doesn’t divide the world up into left and right, but into interventionist and isolationist. Kagan has representatives in the Democratic Party. They can loosely be described as the members of the Democratic Leadership Council and the writers at The New Republic. These opinion leaders consider America to be the ‘indispensable nation’ and they consider it vital to world peace and security that America maintain its role in the world. For example, it’s critical that we maintain military bases from Okinawa, to Tashkent, to Kandahar, to Baku, to Turkey, Baghdad, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, to Eritrea. From the outside, it looks like they benefit from their association or investments in the companies that do business in those countries, or the companies that arm our military to defend themselves in foreign lands and equip our home defenses to protect against the resentment our occupations cause. But, from the inside, it’s more complicated. It’s about the evils of communism, or fascism, or Islamo-fascism, or whatever is required as a rhetorical tool next week.
The way Kagan sees it is actually quite interesting to read. He thinks it is natural for a party too long out of power to become accustomed to opposing our foreign policy and therefore drift into a dangerous isolationism. Of course, it isn’t entirely clear for whom this drift presents a danger. It’s certainly not a threat to the American taxpayer, just for one example. But, it is definitely a threat to those that make their living hawking military and homeland security equipment. That’s why Kagan says the following:
The next president, whether Democrat or Republican, may work better with allies and may be more clever in negotiating with adversaries. But the realities of the world are what they are, and the imperatives of U.S. foreign policy are what they are. The diffuse threats of the post-Cold War world simply don’t unite and energize our European allies as the Soviet Union did, and even a dedicated “multilateralist” won’t be able to get them to spend more money on defense or stop buying oil from Iran. A smarter negotiating strategy toward Iran might or might not make a difference in stopping its weapons program. Soft power will go only so far in dealing with problems such as North Korea and Sudan.
In fact, the options open to any new administration are never as broad as its supporters imagine, which is why, historically, there is more continuity than discontinuity in American foreign policy. If the Democrats did take office in 2009, their approach to the post-Sept. 11 world would be marginally different but not stunningly different from Bush’s. And they would have to sell that not stunningly different set of policies to their own constituents.
Kagan is part of a literal cabal of people in Washington (in Congress, in thinktanks, in this case, the Washington Post’s editorial pages) that assure that any new administration’s ‘options’ are limited and that their approach will not be stunningly different from Bush’s. These are the folks that brought you the stalemated Korean War and the need for permanent bases in the south, the disastrous Vietnam War, the Committee on the Present Danger, and Team B. They employ journalists like Judith Miller to write about anthrax, and journalists like Peter Beinert to advocate a tougher foreign policy line from Democrats. They love and contibute to politicians like Joe Lieberman, Joe Biden, Diane Feinstein, and Jane Harman. As long as they can control the debate, assure a centrist nominee from the Democrats, and keep the level of fear in the public high, their racket is safe, even if the people in the World Trade Center were not.
Some may see this as a typical leftist critique. But it’s more than that. This is how Washington works, how power wields itself, how the Democrats are co-opted, and how we keep repeating our mistakes by involving ourselves in costly foreign entanglements.
Perhaps the most flamboyant and successful of their campaigns was the one they used to convince us that we defeated the Soviet Union through military spending. It had nothing to do with the superior example our society made to the world through our civil liberties, personal freedoms, prosperity, and human rights advocacy. Nor did it have anything to do with the Soviets poor example and lack of these things. No, no. We brought the Soviets to their knees by spending billions on a failed missile shield and the V-22 Osprey.
Ask yourself something. How much did the wars and proxy war in Korea, Vietnam, Angola, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, and Grenada do to contribute to the demise of the Soviet Union? How is Iraq helping today? Being out of power for a while does tend to focus the mind when you ask yourself that question. And that is a major threat to people like Kagan. That is why at least half of PNAC now considers it desirable that a Democrat (like Hillary or Biden or Richardson or Bayh or Vilsack or Warner) becomes the next President. They think they can control them, and they are probably right.
The Democrats need to take ownership of American foreign policy again, for their sake as well as the country’s. Long stretches in opposition sometimes drive parties toward defeatism, utopianism, isolationism or permutations of all three. What starts off as legitimate attacks on the inevitable errors of the party in power can veer off into a wholesale rejection of the opposition party’s own foreign policy principles.
It’s precisely the foreign policy principles of our nation’s leaders and arms merchants that have led us to where we are today, and it is precisely the utopianism of the Project for a New American Century and their neo-conservative allies that litter the halls of power that has undermined the consensus for permawar and a permawar footing among the left.
Kagan gives away the game in this column. His assumption is that the causes of threats to the homeland have no causal basis in American imperialism, occupation, or double standards. The only potential cause for a threat comes from those that don’t advocate doing more of the same, spending more of the same, and doing it with more bellicosity, fewer allies, and less national unanimity.
At least, it seems that way. But, in reality, it’s more complicated. How can you explain that a man that was Deputy for Policy under Bush-pere-pardoned Elliott Abrams, Principal Speechwriter for Secretary George Schultz and foreign policy advisor to Jack Kemp would write a column advocating the Republicans be swept out of the White House? The answer is that he fears the Democrats will move so far to the left if they do not elect a DLC Democrat in 2008 that it will endanger the consensus within this country that allows us maintain bases all throughout Asia and an enormous military budget.
Somewhere in the depths of his mind, Kagan probably is asking the same questions we are asking. Isn’t is possible that we could erode the theat of terrorism more effectively, and at an acceptable cost in treasure, by finding a new consensus within the community of representative democracies and advanced economies of the world? One that isn’t opposed by everyone but the bribed and the coerced? One that shares the burdens of collective security, as well as the limitations of international organizations and efforts? One that might limit the scope of American power but also its attendant blowback?
It must have occurred to Kagan, and he knows it is occurring to a growing majority of the left. Kagan throws this heretical thinking aside and states:
…the imperatives of U.S. foreign policy are what they are. The diffuse threats of the post-Cold War world simply don’t unite and energize our European allies as the Soviet Union did…
In other words, this Zarqawi/Zawahiri/bin-Laden bullshit just isn’t working with the left, and if we don’t give them a Hillary or Biden or Lieberman to rally around, they’ll leave the reservation for good.
Better to avoid permanently losing one of two American power parties than for the GOP to win in ’08.
What better example could we have of what’s at stake, who’s on our side, and how big our potential for positive change really is.
available in orange.
Very well stated, BooMan.
My question: of what concern is it, really, if the Left leaves the reservation?
Does it really matter to him which Democrat gets into power, as long it’s a fairly mainstream Democrat? (And, really, a far left Democrat is unlikely to win anyway. )
I mean, you name Lieberman, Biden and Clinton. But what he seems to be saying is that the way the world is, there is no way ANY Democratic president could change foreign policy direction in one or two Presidential terms in such a way that it would truly endanger PNAC policy. So better to have a Democrat who might be a little bit of trouble but who’s very presence in the white house will quell the rumblings of the masses, which he sees as the bigger danger to PNAC’s policy in the short term.
Presumably if more than two terms COULD be a danger, they’d push for a Republican president again at that time.
Frankly, maryb, I’d like to know which Dem likely to be annointed for the nomination might ‘be a little bit of trouble.’
Forget that, I want to know who’s going to be a LOT of trouble.
Yes indeed! Who gets to fill the blank this year when (blank) = Osama?
I didn’t have anyone in mind, just someone other than Lieberman, Biden or Clinton.
If, for instance, you asked him about someone like Feingold I think he would (after he finished laughing and saying Feingold was unelectable) claim that even a Feingold would be so hamstrung by the “realities” of the world that he could do very little that would cause permanent harm to the PNAC vision. Even after 8 years of trying. Maybe he could make a few dents, but nothing that couldn’t be repaired by the following Republican administration.
And is that arrogance? Or is there truth in that?
I s’pose it depends on how perception of the world’s ‘realities’ are colored by said arrogance.
He’s not worried because he figures that Clark, Clinton, Bayh, Biden, Bayh, Warner, and Richardson have his ass covered.
And he thinks it is impossible, or highly unlikely that anyone out of that centrist mold will be elected. And he’s probably right about that.
And what should scare you is that the co-founder in PNAC considers his ass covered by that list of potential nominees.
Now, would Feingold be different? I think so. Edwards? Maybe. Gore? Very hard to say.
I have been wrong when I say that there is only one political party here.
There ARE two parties.
The DemocRatpublicans and everyone else.
And everyone else is LOSING.
NEWPARTY ’08!!!
VAYA!!!
Kagan is right.
Only a third party will be able to break the stranglehold of the right on this system. And a third party is highly unlikely.
Why.
Because so many of the best and most well-intentioned of the Everyone Else Party do not believe that it is possible to float one, even in this Information Age..
SOME people do.
Go to the Unity ’08 website. (Supposed to open today…May 30th. Just a few placeholder pages there now.)
From the placeholder’s statement of purpose:
The genius of America is that every generation redefines freedom in its own terms for its own times.
Unity08, in a tradition as old as our country itself, is committed to still another rebirth of freedom.
Unity08 is a group of citizens deeply concerned that the wheels have come off our political system, that the American Dream is slipping away, and that time is short to get things back on track.
The System is Broken: Polarized = Paralyzed
For most of the 20th Century, the contest for the U.S. presidency was waged over those “in the middle.” Recent Presidential elections, however, have not been focused on the middle but on the turnout of each party’s special interest groups – with each party’s “base” representing barely ten percent of the American people.
We believe that, while the leaders of both major parties are well intentioned people, they are trapped in a flawed system – and that the two major parties are today simply neither relevant to the issues and challenges of the 21st Century nor effective in addressing them.
As a result, most Americans have not been enthusiastic about the choices for President in recent elections, the key issues they ran on, or the manner in which the campaigns were conducted.
Therefore Unity08 will act to assure that an alternative ticket is presented to the American voters in 2008.
We are committed to bringing new choices for voters and new opportunities for candidates.
Check it out. there are some pros involved. Hamilton Jordan, an ex- Governor of Maine.
Dunno if it will work…probably about 40 to 1 against, right now.
Strangely enough, I ran into this information while surfing last night…I cannot for the life of me remember where… and this morning I cannot google a damned thing about it. Not a word.
Anybody know more? The website is still up. Almost completely absent from a google search. Not <unity08 + jordan>. Not anything. Only OTHER results that do not involve this website.
???????
Where did I GET this information?
Anybody?
AG
Can you check out the ‘history’ of visited links on your browser, AG? This might reconstruct the path.
I’ve signed up, in any case, to see what’s what. Thanks for the link.
An endless task…I am in jetlag city, and did some SERIOUS surfing last night.day.whatever.
But I found it anyway.
Spread the infection.
I mean…the word.
AG
Yahoo has it. Strange that google does not reference it.
Or…adjusting my hat…not so strange.
Whatever…
A July 5 Newsweek story by Jonathan Alter.
Just as Linux lets users design their own operating systems, so ‘netroots’ politicos may redesign our nominating system.
By Jonathan Alter
Newsweek
June 5, 2006 issue – Bob Schieffer of CBS News made a good point on “The Charlie Rose Show” last week. He said that successful presidents have all skillfully exploited the dominant medium of their times. The Founders were eloquent writers in the age of pamphleteering. Franklin D. Roosevelt restored hope in 1933 by mastering radio. And John F. Kennedy was the first president elected because of his understanding of television.
Will 2008 bring the first Internet president? Last time, Howard Dean and later John Kerry showed that the whole idea of “early money” is now obsolete in presidential politics. The Internet lets candidates who catch fire raise millions in small donations practically overnight. That’s why all the talk of Hillary Clinton’s “war chest” making her the front runner for 2008 is the most hackneyed punditry around. Money from wealthy donors remains the essential ingredient in most state and local campaigns, but “free media” shapes the outcome of presidential races, and the Internet is the freest media of all.
No one knows exactly where technology is taking politics, but we’re beginning to see some clues. For starters, the longtime stranglehold of media consultants may be over. In 2004, Errol Morris, the director of “The Thin Blue Line” and “The Fog of War,” on his own initiative made several brilliant anti-Bush ads (they featured lifelong Republicans explaining why they were voting for Kerry). Not only did Kerry not air the ads, he told me recently he never even knew they existed. In 2008, any presidential candidate with half a brain will let a thousand ad ideas bloom (or stream) online and televise only those that are popular downloads. Deferring to “the wisdom of crowds” will be cheaper and more effective.
Open-source politics has its hazards, starting with the fact that most people over 35 will need some help with the concept. But just as Linux lets tech-savvy users avoid Microsoft and design their own operating systems, so “netroots” political organizers may succeed in redesigning our current nominating system. But there probably won’t be much that’s organized about it. By definition, the Internet strips big shots of their control of the process, which is a good thing. Politics is at its most invigorating when it’s cacophonous and chaotic.
To begin busting up the dumb system we have for selecting presidents, a bipartisan group will open shop this week at Unity08.com. This Internet-based third party is spearheaded by three veterans of the antique 1976 campaign: Democrats Hamilton Jordan and Gerald Rafshoon helped get Jimmy Carter elected; Republican Doug Bailey did media for Gerald Ford before launching the political TIP SHEET Hotline. They are joined by the independent former governor of Maine, Angus King, and a collection of idealistic young people who are also tired of a nominating process that pulls the major party candidates to the extremes. Their hope: to get even a fraction of the 50 million who voted for the next American Idol to nominate a third-party candidate for president online and use this new army to get him or her on the ballot in all 50 states. The idea is to go viral–or die. “The worst thing that could happen would be for a bunch of old white guys like us to run this,” Jordan says.
The Unity08 plan is for an online third-party convention in mid-2008, following the early primaries. Any registered voter could be a delegate; their identities would be confirmed by cross-referencing with voter registration rolls (which would also prevent people from casting more than one ballot). That would likely include a much larger number than the few thousand primary voters who all but nominate the major party candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire. This virtual process will vote on a centrist platform and nominate a bipartisan ticket. The idea is that even if the third-party nominee didn’t win, he would wield serious power in the ’08 election, which will likely be close.
There are plenty of ways for this process to prove meaningless, starting with the major parties deciding to nominate independent-minded candidates like John McCain (OK, the old McCain) or Mark Warner. Third-party efforts have usually been candidate-driven, and the centrist names tossed around by way of example (Chuck Hagel, Sam Nunn, Tom Kean) don’t have much marquee value in the blogosphere. And the organizers would have to design safeguards to keep the whole thing from being hijacked.
But funny things happen in election years. With an issue as eye-glazing as the deficit, a wacky, jug-eared Texan named Ross Perot received 19 percent of the vote in 1992 and 7 percent in 1996. He did it with “Larry King Live” and an 800 number. In a country where more than 40 percent of voters now self-identify as independents, it’s no longer a question of whether the Internet will revolutionize American politics, but when.
“The idea is to go viral–or die.”
Nice.
May the pandemic begin.
Here’s MY first sneeze.
“YaaaaCHOOOOOooo…!!!”
Gonna start not trusting Google so much, as well.
BET on it.
AG
Btw, there’s a diary on this at the Thing.
Yes the system is broken, but a progressive “third party” candidate will help elect a conservative, and a conservative third party candidate will help elect a progressive.
Anderson, who ran against Carter, was a progressive. He was partially funded by Republicans and helped elect Reagan.
Ross Perot, conservative, helped elect Clinton.
Ralph Nader helped elect bu$h twice. Partially funded by Republicans, who fought to get him on the ballot.
Sad, but that’s the way it works. We just aren’t in a position to risk it this time around. Way way too much at stake for this country and the planet.
Vote Democrat.
IMHO
Arthur, I’m surprised you’d be so enthusiastic about these people.
The Alter article below also refers to “a collection of idealistic young people who are also tired of a nominating process that pulls the major party candidates to the extremes.”
Now, if what “each party’s special interest groups” in the first quotation referred to were corporate donors, okay. However, the conclusion of that first quotation, and the Alter line I just cited, suggest otherwise. This group’s complaint against the nominating process seems to be that it has tended in recent elections to leave voters with an unhappy choice between “extreme right” and “extreme left”.
That seems false to the point of absurdity. And if that is their diagnosis, and the problem they hope to fix, I’m surprised you’d be signing on with them. Maybe I’m just misreading or misunderstanding. Maybe it’s the jet lag. Maybe they were surreptitiously serving DLC Kool-aid on the plane?
Please explain.
I have not “signed on” with them.
I am interested in the attempt.
Nothing more.
Hell, their website isn’t even up yet.
I will bet my boots that Hillary Clinton will be the next Dem candidate for President and McCain the next Ratpub.
BOTH publicly committed to continuing the economic imperialist actions of the United States. Same strategy, just different tactics. (Stated tactics. …who KNOWS what is really going on?)
I want a viable third option, and I do not not care WHAT it is called.
AG
Fair enough. “Signed on” was careless, and there’s certainly reason to embrace nearly anything that will interfere with “more of the same.” Plus, it’s possible that these people have a good proposal even if they’re way off on what the problem is.
Still, lines like the ones I quoted make me nervous. The more they get repeated the more the view they express becomes entrenched in “conventional wisdom.” And the more that happens, the harder it gets for anybody committed to change even to gain a hearing — institutional changes or no.
Many of the neocons started out on “the left” . . . remember (or are you too young?) when “The New Republic” was a nominally “leftist” rag? But there was always their “other” loyalty, and, as in Middle Earth, the power of Mordor was over them. Always. Whatever they did, whatever positions they took, whatever alliance they made, it was always colored by that primary allegiance. So they were never completely comfortable on the left . . . it was only a position of convenience for them, because the left had principles that were not secondary to the interests of . . . Mordor.
So when Bill Clinton showed a moment of “insufficient support”, and it was realized that an unholy alliance could be made with the Christian Fundamentalists to control the Republican Party, they dumped him, and all those formerly “democratic” pseudo-progressives renamed themselves “neo-conservative”. The old school conservatives are just figuring out that they’ve been had. Hillary is dancing like a puppet to prove that she won’t repeat Bill’s mistake. And the Dark Lords are (again) playing “let’s make a deal” for another decade of American foreign policy.
There was no American reason to invade Iraq. We were lied to. There is no American reason to bomb Iran. We are being lied to. There is no American interest served by America’s present Mideast policy. We are being played for fools.
It is not in America’s interest to serve, or support . . . Mordor. And enough Americans are beginning to realize that, as they ponder the “why?” of Iraq, that the Dark Lords are now marshaling forces to insure that 2008 is another “no choice” election, that both candidates will be chosen for their fealty to . . . Mordor. Because that’s all that really matters . . .
The neocons started out on the left, as you say, but it was the “authoritarian left”, the left ala Trotsky, ala Lenin”, that held their ideological attention.
Now of course they are reactionary rightists, extremists to the nth degree, but one thing hasn’t changed; they are still authoritarians by nature and dogma!
They were never advocates for functional Democracy.
Rather my point . . . they are neither left nor right (as we understand that political spectrum), and can be found in both parties, advocating (often covertly) their real “cause”. Many of them actually do take good positions on other issues, and sometimes seem like allies . . . as long as it is convenient . . . so it should come as no surprise that, with the Republicans slated for a fall, they are re-asserting positions in the Democratic Party (where they have long been solidly entrenched). It is absolutely wrong (and dangerously misleading) to think of the neo-cons as “right wing” or “conservative”.
It is true that they are authoritarian by impulse and nature . . . what would you expect from people so sure of their own superiority and entitlement?
I’m unaware of any meaningful or measurable “good” positions any prominent neocons have taken lately.
Certainly I agree they are not “conservative” by nature or ideology. They are extremists by any measure and anti-democratic all the way, having no alliegance to the ideas of power deriving from the people, of government’s raison d’etre being to serve the people rather than to dominate them, or of the idea that there are legitimate restraints necessary to prevent executive power from becoming dictatorialin nature.
Against such a backdrop, the fact that their perspectives may seem to be “good” about lesser issues seems functionally irrelevant to me when viewed in context.
Actually, I went and read the article by Kagen, and he does NOT endorse the Democrats in ’08. He merely suggests the type of Democrat that might be able to be better than what we have now. He also suggests the type of Republican that would be better than we have now.
Here is his parting quote, which basically sums up the points he’s trying to make: “At the end of the day, of course, a president’s personal qualities and worldview are usually more important than the party she or he represents. The Democrats, like the Republicans, could nominate a candidate no sensible person would entrust with American foreign policy. For that matter, the Republicans could nominate someone capable of winning broad Democratic support, which would partly address the debilitating national divide on foreign policy. But eventually America’s post-Sept. 11 foreign policy will probably be better if both parties have a shot at shaping it.”
What he seems to be saying is that if the Democrats choose a neo-con as their candidate, then PNAC might be nice enough to let that Democrat win.
I’m certainly NOT endorsing any policy direction encouraged by Kagen, but I find it helpful to go to the source of things. Go read Kagen’s article for yourself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052601595_pf.html
Not a PNAC candidate, a centrist candidate.
That is the rub. Cheney can be considered a PNAC candidate but none of the Democrats can be considered PNAC candidates.
So why would Kagan suggest it will better for the country if the Dems are forced to deal with foreign policy after this term?
Because it isn’t about PNAC and it really never was, at least for Kagan. It’s about interventionism, it’s about a robust forward-leaning deployment of troops. In fact, Bill Clinton’s foreign policy was basically okay with Kagan, except for relatively unimportant details. And that is why he would prefer Hillary or some other centrist win in ’08. Her policies would maintain the important parts of our foreign policy, and we liberals will rally around her and back up these policies.
If the Dems run a centrist again and lose, the party will lurch to the left, further polarizing the electorate, undermining the consensus for America’s big footprint in the Middle East and elsewhere, and leading one of the major parties off the rails, perhaps for a long time.
If you get bogged down in the specifics of PNAC’s agenda, you’ll miss the point that the Dems will do just as nicely for their bottom line, provided they don’t elect an isolationist or someone that intends to cut military spending.
There are a lot of very good points in this diary. The complexities of neoconservative manipulation and tha pathetic institutionalized, self serving cowardice of our political leaders stand as formidable obstacles to any reasonable solutions to the problems of the day, not to mention the damage inflicted against our constitutional liberties and the incredibly aggressive erosion of the very foundations of democracy.
I would like to emphasize one aspect of the Kagan/neocon mindset relative to the apparent advocacy for a Democratic regime. Kagan and his cohorts have as their main task right now the preservation of the neoconservative ideology as an infallible doctrine in the eyes of the public. And in their pursuit of this they have to paint a picture of incompetent execution and implementation of their insane agenda by BushCo. They know that they can’t afford to “go down with the [Bush] ship” so to speak”; they and their “doctrine must remain blameless, separate from the Bush regime’s failures. In other words they need to blame Bush and his cronies for not adhering to neocon principles and thereby screwing up the entire plan for the Middle East going forward. The ideology is perfect; those who executed it are bumblers!
The neocons know they won’t be calling the shots directly for much longer, but that’s OK for them because they figure they’ve done so much damage already that no one will be able to stop the inexorable slide towards regional all out war in the Middle East in the years to come. And since these same ghoulish monsters know they may have to “wait in the wings” for a presidency or two before they’re able to become officially back in power again, they think it’s a fine idea if Democrats gain a majority, and perhaps even the presidency over the next several years, because they firmly believe that whoever is in power from ’08 to 2012, they will be able to pin all the blame for the mess in Iraq and the broader Middle East on that person/persons/party.
In short, Kagan would like a Dem in the White House because he’d prefer a Dem to catch the blame for the deterioration of the situation in the Middle East, and because he and his pals wil be able to likewise also blame the mess on the failure of that/those Dems to follow through on the Bush regime agenda, thereby getting their own ideology off the hook.
So even if Dems who argued forcefully against continuing the war were to attain power, Kagan’s gang still would see that as an exploitable situation. So-called “centrist” Dems or not, Kagan and the rest of the neocon cabal see an advantage for themselves either way.
Fukuyama was the one who started this propaganda angle going a few months ago with his article in the NYT Magazine. William Kristol has been bashing Rumsfeld for over a year now. These lunatics are going to pillory Bush before his presidency is over just to save their own dogma from being held accountable as the proximate cause of the entire disaster that is the Bush presidency.
You look up “piece of work” in the dictionary, you’ll find a picture of Kagan. You’re right–these folks will never give up their dreams of global domination through military force, and they’re use whatever political affiliations they need to pursue the dream.
And they’ll continue to use their limited choice argument–we either maintain a large global military footprint or we become isolationists. Which is, of course nonsense that implies we can’t engage globally unless we engage with armed force.
I’m committed to keeping an eye on these folks and calling their number whenever they pop up again.
Actually, I went and read the article by Kagen, and he does NOT endorse the Democrats in ’08. He merely suggests the type of Democrat that might be able to be better than what we have now. He also suggests the type of Republican that would be better than we have now.
Here is his parting quote, which basically sums up the points he’s trying to make: “At the end of the day, of course, a president’s personal qualities and worldview are usually more important than the party she or he represents. The Democrats, like the Republicans, could nominate a candidate no sensible person would entrust with American foreign policy. For that matter, the Republicans could nominate someone capable of winning broad Democratic support, which would partly address the debilitating national divide on foreign policy. But eventually America’s post-Sept. 11 foreign policy will probably be better if both parties have a shot at shaping it.”
I’m certainly NOT endorsing any policy direction encouraged by Kagen, but I find it helpful to go to the source of things. Go read Kagen’s article for yourself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052601595_pf.html
I don’t have a lot to add here, just wanted to say thanks Booman for this. I had read Kagan’s article, but didn’t get the significance.
I read the whole thread in orange as well. I think this is really important. It puts the demise of Dean’s presidential candidacy into perspective. Anyone who might challenge this stranglehold of power is a threat. And we’ve definitely got our work cut out for us to get our country back!!
Thanks, Booman, for one of the truest posts I’ve ever seen here. It’s time people realize that “left” and “right” only mean something to those of us at the broader bottom reaches of the pyramid. Those who control us, or would control us, don’t have any ideology except global control in a way that benefits the global elite and to hell with anyone else.
If the left AND the right would stop polarizing that issue and work together, maybe, just maybe, we could effect some real change. But we keep fighting each other at the bottom so we don’t have time to look up and see what’s hovering over all of us, and the damage it’s doing….
I read the whole thread in orange as well. I think this is really important. It puts the demise of Dean’s presidential candidacy into perspective. Anyone who might challenge this stranglehold of power is a threat. And we’ve definitely got our work cut out for us to get our country back!!