[Promoted by Chris]
The other night, I had the privilege of entertaining an old friend. It is his first visit to the US, but as he and I have reluctantly acknowledged the truth of the old Mexican adage, “the years do not pass in vain,” after a day of sight-seeing, we both wished our combined young folks well as they went out to paint the town red and gratefully sank down to some Pillow Appreciation combined with Order In and Televiewing.
There was an interesting show on one of the discover and learn or something channels, about some very nice people who live in a remote area of one of the islands today called Indonesia, and after a commercial break during which re refilled our teacups and said how much we would like to go there and meet these friendly folks, a message appeared on the screen, warning us that the program we were watching “contained indigenous nudity” and therefore might not be appropriate for all viewers or something to that effect.
My guest and I exchanged bewildered looks. WTF?
Indigenous nudity? Perhaps because neither of us can boast a background devoid enough of diversity, nor steeped enough in the appalling and twisted Calvinism that forms the basis for so much of mainstream America’s worldview, we had not really noticed much about the sartorial practices of the people on the show, though we had admired their bling, we had mostly been impressed with how nice they were to each other and the visiting TV people, and how everyone we saw seemed like somebody we would like to get to know, go and visit, sit around in the evening and talk to, and learn from.
We could not imagine exactly for whom this program might not be appropriate. Somebody who is allergic to nice friendly people, maybe? And what exactly is meant by “indigenous nudity?” In our own simple and child-like way of thinking, we had not been aware that there were these divisions or gradations in the nature of nudity.
We had in our ignorance, supposed, if we thought about it much, which I can’t say that we do, that nudity is nudity, and that the fellow explaining to the TV people how excellent canoes are made from the trunk of a particular tree enjoys the same nudity as does, for example, Donald Trump or tom Hanks, that is to say, that nudity for one would be identical to nudity for the other, the only differences having to do with individual physical characteristics, while the quality of nudity itself would be identical.
But now we were being asked to make this distinction. Indigenous nudity versus the nudity of immigrants? Of the sons of invaders?
My guest nodded wisely. The distinction, he said, is in white versus non-white. He changed the channel, and the screen immediately filled with the doings of Paris Hilton. Paris turned around, and we saw that the area immediately above the line of her blue jeans was blurred out. However there had been no message warning us of this, just discreetly and quietly blurring out of the coin slot area. No need for explanations, understanding is understood.
If you do not instinctively understand why indigenous nudity is a different thing than other, specifically, white, peoples’ nudity, and why it requires a warning screen, and why a white girl’s coin slot must be blurred or pixelated out with no warning screen, then the chances are that you are not a white American, or if you are, then you are a very strange one, who will need special instruction should you ever wish to apply for a job with a future and health insurance in a large office building.
When most mainstream Americans discuss racism, they will begin by emphasizing how free of it they are.
While the traditional “some of my best friends” has morphed into subtler incarnations, this reflects not actually a diminuition in the racism level itself, but an increased awareness that racism is a bad thing, the speaker must endeavor to emphasize his own devoidness of it.
However, when we make bold to peek into the everyday lives of that proverbial “average mainstream American,” we find that in 2006, he is not much more likely than his grandfather to engage in much non-work related social interaction with people whose ethnicity diverges from that traditional mainstream American Euro-melange.
With some notable and delightful exceptions, most middle and upper-middle class neighborhoods in the US are remarkably ethnically homogeneous. Remarkable because today, when one puts together all the traditional American minority groups, in most urban and metropolitan areas, their total will exceed in numbers will exceed the Euro-Merican total, thus that there still exist so many “white” hoods would not be possible without a concerted effort.
There was a news report the other day regarding one aspect of this, the majority of real estate agents, someone’s study found, do in fact “steer” homebuyers to neighborhoods where the prevalent ethnicity of the residents matches that of the would-be homebuyer.
Thus, white home buyers will be told that neighborhood A has “good schools,” which is the understood code for “schools where most of the students are white,” whereas inquiries about a listing in neighborhood B will be answered with the caveat that the schools are not so good, the code for “schools with a large number of non-white students.” Some may vary the message, characterizing the area as “very diverse,” which is will be a huge red flag to the discerning white house hunter, while not sounding quite as off-putting to the more “liberal” client, and is also very useful when dispensing lowdown on hoods to childless homebuyers, or those whose children are already away at college.
In another televiewing experience, the producers had two families, one black, one white, made up to resemble the other race, and go out into the world.
The father of the black family, made up to look like a white man, got a job as a bartender in almost all-white community, something of an anomaly in Southern California, as was acknowledged to him by the regulars, as the struck up a conversation with the new barkeep.
Proud and pleased they were to have almost miraculously maintained their little neighborhood as a sort of white enclave, a safe haven devoid of the alarming diversity that seemed to be taking over the region like mold in a New Orleans basement.
This remarkable feat, his customers informed the astonished bartender, meant that one could raise one kids here without, you know, worrying.
It is indeed a worrisome time for mainstream Americans with school aged children. Just as everyone thought the Afro-American Question had been settled, with some of them living in very nice areas, very nice, nicer than some of the you know, regular nice neighborhoods, just when they thought it was safe, here come the Mexicans, bringing the chilling threat of bilingualism, talked to a lady the other day, came home one day and found her daughter talking on the telephone – in Spanish! Well, she got her out of that public school and into a nice private one they next day, said she’d rob Peter to pay Paul if she had to, but well, you can just imagine. Now she is not prejudiced understand, any more than I am, of course not, I was just saying the other day, America did a good thing when we got rid of all that. I mean Martin Luther King is a real hero for all the kids, no matter what color they are. And Oprah, well, I think it is just wonderful the success she has had, and I don’t mind saying so. So we are not talking about prejudiced people, but, well the other day we went over the bridge to get some of that filo dough, you know those little layers they use in I think it’s Turkey, anyway we got there, and what do you think, almost all the signs in Spanish now. I’m talking about signs on the streets. Not in their houses or on their TV, you know they’ve got their own TV, anyway we went in there, and would you believe the girl that sold us the filo dough was Spanish? We could not take one step on that street without hearing people speaking it, and that used to be a fairly nice area, it always was diverse, you know, but now, I don’t know, but we are going to have to do something.
The Spanish language TV stations, it must be noted, neither warn viewers of indigenous nudity nor blur out coin slots. Even the coin slots of white girls.
I got into a heated argument last night with an acquaintance who took exception to my labeling of the Minutemen as a racist organization. He “knew people” that joined the recent barricade-building who were just concerned with their security; he assured me it had nothing to do with the fact that it was “Mexicans” they were trying to keep out. His friends are not racist, only law-abiders, he explained.
I asked him where his “friends” were from, the answer was Colorado. They felt so strongly in the cause that they made the trek to help lend a hand to all the patriots gathered over Memorial Weekend. When I asked why he thought people felt so strongly about building the Great Wall™, I was met with the “we have to preserve our culture and values” line.
After explaining the irony to him that his friends came from Colorado – a spanish word, to a place called Arizona – also a spanish word, in order to preserve the culture, he succumbed to the frothy fit of rage that is usually displayed when blind defensiveness rears its ugly head.
The only way we will move forward as a society – to progress – is to be willing to constantly examine our inner emotions and outward actions and how they affect others. We are all flawed, whether by lack of education or pure stubbornness to grow, thanks for this thought-provoking post that reminds me of the humility I need to be true to inner-Peace.
This is excellent, Manny.
Not being a racist is hard work, and it can’t be realized by passivity.
I was born white in the USA. I have feelings and attitudes I absorbed by osmosis from the culture in which I grew up. It is stupid and naive for me to think I’m not racist.
The only way I can be intellectually honest is to examine my feelings and reactions whenever race is an issue. I have to dig down into my assumptions and find out where the feeling or belief came from, and whether it has validity.
Why is it OK to look at nude people of colour but not nude white ones ? A nice explanation would be that nudity is natural for indigenous people, but would be gratuitous for whites. That’s facile, but it feels like there’s more to it than that.
Is brown nudity less threatening because people of colour are not quite as human ? Because they are “closer to nature”? Because they are not “civilized”, but the conquered ? Certainly, male nudity doesn’t get the same easy, automatic pass that female-nude-as-part-of-the-landscape does. Is it all about power and marginalization ? Perhaps the human who is clothed is always regarded as superior. Maybe the clothed observer doesn’t want a reminder that he is no different from those upon whom he turns his gaze.
This have the same feel to me as sexist men finding women “cute” when we’re angry. We’re only cute because they see us as essentially powerless to act out our anger. Maybe brown nudity is innocent because those people don’t really count, either. Now white nudity, like male anger, is serious because it counts for something. Like anger, it might be acted on.
The “-isms” combine & mutate, & deniers try to use that to their advantage. Janet Jackson’s brown nipple wasn’t acceptable on prime time tv either. Is the Indigenous Nudity a form of racism? Yea. Will the JJ example get tossed out to counter the word? Probably. But it can’t erase the reality that DtF so marvelously lays out here.
I like to think of it as “othering” — which can accomodate all sorts of racial, cultural, class, and gender/orientation distinctions that get made. Your because those people don’t really count hits it.
The “costume malfunction” dust up drove me nuts, Arcturus.
Justin Timberlake, a white man, rips the clothing off a black woman, and what is the contoversy about ? Her breast. Not his behavior, her breast.
I’m not so green as to assume that they had not colluded to do something slightly risque which may have inadvertantly gone one layer of material too deep, but the focus of attention on her body rather than his action was both racist and sexist.
I think you’ve pretty much summed up the reasons for the hypocrisy, susanw. And I notice that you mentioned National Geographic in another comment. I remember coming to a stunning realisation as a kid in the 1970s that it was acceptable for National Geographic to portray ‘native’ women’s breasts, and even for them to be shown on television, when publications which showed white women’s breasts were being prosecuted in at least one Australian State. There was huge excitement amongst my teenage school peers (the girls as much as the boys) when a television soap opera controversially showed a nude white woman (guaranteed months of ratings!). In that era, a white male would not have been shown fully naked. Now, anything goes, but with a warning at the start.
Tell me on what show a white man has been shown completely naked?
One simply cannot allow any view of the all-powerful white male penis.
Imagine the horro of the powerful men of America! Either the producers would show a reeeally small one or they have to look at one bigger than their individual missles. And then sit and hear all the powerful political men hear how horrified they were to see a (bigger then theirs) on tv ;->
I’m sure that he would be considerably less motivated to go protect our Canadian border.
After explaining the irony to him that his friends came from Colorado – a spanish word, to a place called Arizona – also a spanish word, in order to preserve the culture, he succumbed to the frothy fit of rage that is usually displayed when blind defensiveness rears its ugly head.
Glad you schooled him! I mean, what’s he gonna do? Re-name Arizona, Florida, California…Los Angeles, Boca Roton…
oh please don’t change the name of Boca Raton…. it fits that place perfectly 🙂
I now live immediately south of Boca Raton in Deerfield Beach, and you are exactly right about the appropriateness of the Boca Raton name.
It stays. 🙂
who it was or where I read it (chalk it up to either old age or Can’t Remember Shit Syndrome, your choice), but during the debates about making English our “National Language”, someone did a great column about all the foreign words and phrases that have crept into our language. Imagine not being able to order a latte or cappuchino at the local Starbucks, for example…
(Just an aside, but Led Zeppelin’s The Immigrant Song just popped up on iTunes…ironic, huh?)
…BUT:
If your friend’s friends are from Colorado, which if it isn’t midway between our Northern & Southern borders if anything is closer to the Northern one, and you know, their river flows toward the Southern border, not from it, you know…
Why didn’t they go to guard the Canadian border?
I mean, they’ve got terrorists up there, right?
“White Girl Coin Slot”
“Indigenous Nudity”
Many people I know who live on the border of Texas and Mexico and who appear very similar in appearance to the illegados amidst them are not so able to be “above” the immigration fray.
They have added crime in their neighborhoods, South American gangbangers frequently rampaging, home invasions, murders, rapes, you name it, all on the increase.
Just like in Iraq, Bush wants to send the military to do the police depts job. The sherriff of Hidalgo County, Lupe Trevino has been a vocal critic of Bush immigration policy for this very reason. He believes he needs more money to fight crime, not that we need to spend more money sending in the Guard for some futile photo ops.
Many American latinos who live on the border are not so tolerant that they cant see the real problems in their midst.
“Indigenous Nudity” used to be called “National Geographic Nudity” in movie advertisements. New name, same otherness.
Even the National Geographic isn’t what it used to be – it now publishes a Swimsuit Issue, after all!
The first few seconds of having to be warned of ‘indigenous nudity’ is almost, almost hysterically funny ….if it wasn’t so backward and pathetically, sadly part of the continuing institutional racism that is so ingrained that people are not aware of it…or refuse to believe it when confronted with it.
Sounds like a disease one can catch if watching too long.
There is no doubt that bigotry is alive and well in America.
Universities have done numerous studies proving it, but you won’t see them in the MSM.
The classic is the art exhibit.
A group of paintings, all signed “S. Smith” are hung in a gallery. At the entrance is a photo of Sam Smith and a short bio. Randomly chosen test subjects, who believe that they are judging art, are brought in and asked to record their evaluation of each picture on a 1-10 scale.
When they leave, Sam’s picture comes down, and the artist becomes Susan Smith with the same bio; the process is repeated using a fresh group of art evaluators.
The artist is variously represented as Sam Smith, the African American artist, as Sergio Sanchez Smith, as Selina Sanchez Smith, etc., and each incarnation is evaluated by a new group of test subjects. You get the idea.
When the scorecards are totaled up, the work ascribed to a white male was judged as far superior to the same work attributed to women or men of colour. Ironically, we’re worth 3/5 of a white male.
The scoring differences are the same whether laypeople or art experts are judging. The study has been duplicated many times using art, poetry, music, literature, scientific papers, architectural drawings, battle plans, business models, speeches, lesson plans, you name it. The only variation comes when the task is a traditionally masculine one, like physics papers or troop deployment proposals; then white men are valued at twice the worth of everybody else.
Oh, and the test subjects, who were given questionnaires at study’s end almost all asserted that they weren’t sexist or racist.
Alright, I’m afraid Im going to show some ignorance here. Being a white female I just tried to figure out what my “coin slot” is supposed to be. If I stretch thing a bit I could put a dime in my belly button, but that’s about it.
It’s another term for “plumber’s crack.” Thankfully, it’s a fashion trend that seems to have died down a little over the last few years.
I thought we were talking about the “pay window.”
I was reminded of the great politically incorrect Randall Mac Murphy/ Nicholson line in “Cuckoos Nest” when he comes out from his electroshock therapy to state:
“the next woman who takes me on is going to light up like a pinball machine, spitting silver dollars.”
Ah, pinball machines….
If you do not instinctively understand why indigenous nudity is a different thing than other, specifically, white, peoples’ nudity, and why it requires a warning screen, and why a white girl’s coin slot must be blurred or pixelated out with no warning screen, then the chances are
Indeed. But to understand instinctively is no great thing. A mere character defect.
To understand consciously is more to the point.
Nice post, Ductape!
I seem to have a weird take on this. Y’all are thinking in terms of race, and I am thinking sex. While I agree that “indiginous nudity” is a ludicrous phrase, I think they warn about it because it is non-sexual in nature. Whereas, Paris’ butt cheeks or crotch is sexual. I think they would have blurred out Whitney Houston’s butt cheeks just as readily. But, when it is nice people from the remote regions of our world, it is not sexual, it is just an “indiginous” thing.
I have racism in me. I do my best to not react to it, but I see color. I grew up in mostly liberal, but all white neighborhoods. My kid, however, does not see it like me and will even call me out if I say something bad. She has been the minority for a long time.
On the other hand, I do object to inferring that racism is a white phenomenon. My kid has been subjected to buckets of racist attitudes at her predominantly black school; from the students, parents, and even the director himself. The latest involved her acting class final project wherein she was assigned the role of a Latina woman, with a black urban accent. She didn’t want to do it, but that was the role she was assigned.
She did a great job, earned an A even, but the parents made it known that it was horrid that she played a black person. Would they have complained if their child had played a white person? I doubt it, but it was clearly wrong to have a white girl in the role of a black/hispanic woman (even though there wasn’t a single role in the entire play for a white woman). The play was written as an expose of Oakland, yet had no white characters (or asian for that matter) even though whites are just as populous here as blacks and Latinos and Asians are not far behind. It was preposterous.
All in all, it has provided us with much to talk about and she is learning what racism is and how to avoid it. But, racism is not solely in the realm of white people. We all have our issues.
That’s pretty much what I was thinking, Kamakhya. Whether it was Paris Hilton’s or Tyra Banks’ buttcrack, it would have been pixelated. Not to say there’s not a lot of racism in this country, institutionalized and otherwise, but that particular phrase “indigenous nudity” while sort of awkward, barely registered a blip on my racism radar.
I look at it like this, when Discovery or the National Geographic channel show nudity of indigenous people, I think it shows an understanding for the mores of those cultures. They know that other cultures, particularly those in underdeveloped regions don’t sexualize nudity the way we do. In my opinion, it would be disrespectful for them to pixelate the body parts of the culture they’re highlighting. On U.S. television they have to put up a warning about nudity or they’d be flooded with letters from unsuspecting parents who were watching TV with their 5 year-olds.
Our culture is insane about nudity and sex (don’t even get me started), but I think the way they handled this makes sense.
I respectfully disagree with Ductape’s excellent (and funny) diary, though I’m a little surprised at his surprise.
I don’t think the issue is white nudity versus non-white nudity at all.
I think the issue is economics: when the function of the nudity or near nudity is to sell through titillation, it’s ok – even if made “acceptable” with some sort of warning rating such as movies have. That’s the kind of nudity that our U.S. culture has, and it isn’t limited to white female examples. And of course, the “civilized” U.S. public nudity maintains the vaporously thin veneer of religious respectability by covering certain tiny square inches of flesh.
But the public media cannot have nudity that is 1) not overtly selling and that is 2) not designed to preserve this sheer layer of “respectability”. If nudity occurs in the absence of these conditions, it must be not only noted, it must be given a condescending sort of label, “indigenous nudity”. If you think calling this indigenous is not condescending, then why do you think they wanted to use that term in any case, if not to contrast it with “cultured”, and therefore acceptable forms of (almost)nudity?
I still like the essay, however.
What you are saying, if I am interpreting you correctly, comes at it from a different direction, but ends up dovetailing nicely with susanw’s observations “upthread.”
If I am reading you right, you are saying that Paris’ coin slot must be pixelated because it is essentially a commercial product, being sold for to appeal to prurient interests. It must therefore be blurred out for the same reason that the local news station may show only a very small clip of a Rolling Stones performance in the community megarena – it is someone’s product that they are selling, therefore to show a whole song would be infringing on the dibs of some other entity, who owns the “rights” to sell that particular product.
But the nudity of the people in the Indonesian community would not be considered such a product of prurience, because being both non-white and non-celebrity, their nudity would not be considered “titilating.”
However, mindful, perhaps, of the rather eccentric behavior of certain yesteryouth, also referenced “upthread,” who, sadly born too soon before Al Gore invented the internets, and into a community whose residents did not appreciate the articles in the Playboy magazine enough to save stacks of them in their garages, were obliged to resort to viewing photos of ladies without blouses in the National Geographic, as this was their only source of bosom-viewing.
Thus the producers felt it might be in their best interests to post the “indigenous nudity” notice, as it might increase the likelihood that certain demographic groups, namely young boys of modern today who either do not have computers, or are such unnaturally not-nerd chilren, that they are unable to disable or work around the “parental guide” software placed on the family computer, thus rendering them, as their fathers before them, without any source of bosom-viewing, save, and like their fathers saved by, the efforts of documentary makers whose subjects are folks whose clothing customs differ substantially from those of the US.
In other words, you seem to suggest that the “indigenous nudity” disclaimer is in fact not a disclaimer at all, but an advertisement of a promotional giveaway: PUBLIC DOMAIN BOSOMS! SEE THEM FOR FREE! TODAY ONLY! DON’T TOUCH THAT REMOTE!
Which is not unlike susanw’s reference to “the conquered.”
Which was pretty much the same as my friend’s conclusion, as globally, 14% of the population does indeed control a very ravenous lion’s share of resources, including, apparently, both “indigenous nudity” and Paris Hilton’s coin slot, with the latter being considered more of a “premium channel” sort of product.
Yes, that’s mostly what I was trying to say. (However I do think a lot of non-white nudity is use for selling stuff, too – from Playboy centerfolds, to runway models, to entertainers who are not white, etc. I don’t think the issue is White vs. non-white at all. It’s the Capitalist consumer culture.) America sells stuff with nudity. Claims self-righteously not to by techniques such as pixilating or faintly obscuring tiny portions of the body, or by “limiting” sales via warnings (which actually, of course, attract consumers). I think the news shows obscure the nudity more, to preserve the idea that they are not selling what they show, so they can safely be viewed by children, and that they are presenting “serious” content.
Yet this same society, so soaked in sexualization of almost everything, wraps itself in this unbelievable facade of religious conservatism – as Congress did this week by voting to increase penalties for “indecency on television”.
They can’t sell much with naturally occurring unclothed bodies that aren’t presented in a “peek and tell” or a “buy this product and women like those in this ad want to have sex with you” form. So, yes, I think they must present a warning to preserve the fiction that they give a flip about modesty, and to attract attention from those few (like the children you mention) who might be restricted in access – if they actually exist, and, of course, to suggest that somehow, this is a “lower life form” way of dealing with one’s body.
Such a warning both makes me laugh, and makes me a little sick at the hypocrisy.
Agree, racism still exists, every place on earth, however its negative, deletorious effects have been mitigated to a large extent by the passage of years and increased educational opportunities afforded to all USites, and as studies have shown, these opportunities have been grabbed by many African Americans ( and all women mostly)and they are making solid gains at all economic levels.
In fact, College educated African Americans do about as well as college educated anythings nowadays, economically speaking. The income gap among races in the higher educated segment is eroding.
In fact, Asian Americans with college degrees on average make more than American palefaces with college degrees, on average.
Education and culture are the defining barriers between Americans today more than race.
THAT is largely a “progressive” victory that “progressives” ignore because we still view the world largely from the same outdated mindset and biases from 40 or 50 years ago.
Mr. Fatwa is an excellent and entertaining writer but he spends way too much time examining outdated biases and looking in the rearview mirror. A common symptom of 21st century progressivism which he shares with far too many “progressives” in my opinion.
I agree with you that issues of class (read: education, mostly), are the largest barriers across the entire populace. However, racism is far, far from dead. College education has done a great deal to raise income levels for minorities, but the reality is that fewer Black males are in college now than was the case in 1990. That is simply terrible.
Here was an article in the March 20 NYTimes (I don’t think it can be linked to any more), highlighting findings from more than one study:
Obviously, here are complex forces influencing these facts, but racism is at the heart of many of the immediate and long-term causes, I belive.
I remember that NYT article. I believe men of ALL races are less likely to be in college today than in 1990, not just black men.
And whither black women, who somehow manage to get to college and the workforce in increasingly large and successful numbers?
Your correct point came last: complex forces at work, including racism. “Racism” alone is a simplistic satisfying answer like a candy bar to mask hunger.
However, as that NYT article pointed out, and as the right wing bigot Bill Cosby has also pointed out, black men at the bottom, like all men, need to stand before a mirror if they ever want to address their own situations realistically, and take positive action within the context of a racist world.
The problem of the black underclass is the problem of all underclasses. The “class” itself cant budge but the individual can. Do you settle for identifying with the homies on the block or do you fight through them?
The individual who is capable and doesnt budge has lost the battle to self delusion, more than racism, in my opinion.
Changing the insane drug laws would help, changing the insane three strikes yur out law would help, but at end of day, its just you and your mirror.
The law is the law. And you know what it represents in your life each day.
I don’t think it is just their mirror. My point is that racism is not a simple problem. It has eaten into much of life, very deeply, affecting many aspects of what happens to children as they grow up.
It is also the environment that they have seen around their mirror, and what they see as possible. Is the TV a very good representation of the environment? Where I live, the contrast between what the media portray and what is here on a daily basis is incredibly vast. There are no jobs here. Young men who saw fathers and grandfathers get good jobs in the factories, have no such opportunities now. If they have no father or grandfather around, which is increasingly common, the lack of a good model cannot be overlooked. Getting to where the jobs that do exist is hard, and often costs more than the minimum wages that such jobs pay. And young black men are feared more than welcomed in many such jobs, if they can find them.
Funny, when I go shopping in upscale Detroit suburbs with neighbor A, who, like me, is white, we have no trouble at all. When I take neighbor B, who is Black, we suddenly have clerks attached to our side in virtually every store.
When I took the same neighbor B to the emergency room (she was having a stroke), I was asked if neighbor B was my servant! I could cite numerous similar experiences.
What do you do if you have gone to crappy schools and been passed through with good grades in spite of not being able to read well? If you are a minority, you are much more likely to attend a really bad school than if you are white. But do you know that your schooling is bad? Is it self-delusional to expect that you could do well in college if you have done well in high school? Why is it that the most affluent school districts in Michigan are given the most money from the state on a per pupil basis, rather than equal funding per pupil? Is it unreasonable to conclude that the system has been rigged to put most of the money into the schools in the white community?
Where I do agree with you is that teaching children a culture of victimization does them little good. I don’t think that children who have grown up being told over and over that they are victims and that every bad thing that happens is due to direct overt racist collusion against them are necessarily self-deluded, but they are certainly in need of a more realistic view of the world. They need to believe they have control over their lives, and they need reasonable opportunities to have that control. They also need a realistic idea of what they need to do to be successful – rather than being shown professional athletes and entertainers as role models. And they need good skills, and a fair and accurate view of their society. I don’t think they are getting that yet, though things have improved a great deal. I do say those identical things about kids who are white, and attend schools in poor areas, also, as I did.
I do agree that vast inequities also exist between rich and poor in the white community. I have seen and still see a great deal of poverty and devastation among the poor in our country – and the situation is getting worse, not better.
You are correct that college attendance is down, but only slightly since about 2000. However, most of that decline is among males, and much more heavily among minority males.
Oh well, these are topics for further discussion. I have to do some work this day, even though it’s vacation time!
all true but it still comes back to the man in the mirror, despite the obstacles put in place by a racist society.
Nowhere and I mean nowhere in your post do you come close to anything other than an accurate depiction of the problems.
Realistic solutions?
It still comes back to an individual’s own effort to overcome the odds stacked against them.
The white/nonwhite disparity is set in the mists of prehistory. White people, as best as the ologists can tell us, are indigenous to colder lands, which means that of necessity clothing customs would be different from those in warmer climates.
There are no indigenous white groups who do not extensively clothe themselves, and it will be interesting if someone can tell us if there ever were!
Couple that with the fact that when advancements such as art, science, language, etc arrived in those cold lands, the focus has been consistently on arms, resulting in the fluke of military dominance of Europe for the last few centuries, and of course lately, its even more bellicose spawn.
So we now have the situation I mentioned in the previous post, a very small % of earth’s residents controlling a hyperbolically excessive amount of earth’s resources.
And despite the reframing of slavery and later of apartheid in the US, so that some non-whites are now permitted to become celebrities, this does not change the big picture, and it is that big picture aspect that my friend referred to, and I think susanw also.
Thus while a non-white celebrity coin slot, or even a non-white, non-celebrity American or western coin slot will be considered premium product, the “indigenous nudity” will not be, as it will still be considered the less desirable public domain nudity.
We cannot know what would be the case with white indigenous nudity, because none exists!
As some have pointed out, subjugation of women will also be a factor in all this, but a very confusing one, since male indigenous nudity is considered just as much in the public domain as the female flavor, but western male nudity is such a taboo that while motion pictures regularly feature displays of bosoms and seats, and occasionally a flash of the “full frontal” female form, any movie that includes a display of the male’s delicate area is almost automatically removed from any hope of “mainstream” distribution. Such a thing is considered just too shocking for an audience become quite blase about naked ladies.
In other words, various parts of ladies may be shown on the screen, and it can be considered sophisticated and tasteful and essential to the story. Oh, and sensitive.
Parts exclusive to gentlemen, however, when shown on the screen, are “porn.”
Thus, while I have to agree with my friend about white-non-white, I also have to agree with those who say it is not that simple.
It is, and it is not. 😉
It is interesting that the further afield humans traveled from the cradle of humanity especially to the frozen north, the civilizations became both more advanced and more warlike.
Im pretty sure race has less to do with it than the choices some adventurous people (and probably adventurous more by necessity than choice)made in moving away.
China, Korea, and Japan besides Europe have advanced civilizations routed in snow….
Lets also dont forget the heavy price Europeans have paid hsitorically for their own ability to make kings, guns and war…
As usual, I return to the internets to find that the “rate all” button is no longer present.
So though I cannot give you all “4s” please consider that I have done so in spirit, and in appreciation for having read the rant.
And also as usual, I find all the comments very thought-provoking, so much so that I may be obliged to commit another rant on the larger topic.
I would like to reply to each and every one, but my initial reply effort took such a long time (museum quality squirrel powered computer and dial-up whose philosophy is that the internets should be visited at a most leisurely pace) that I must risk being called discourteous or renounce my bath, which would be discourteous to my family and guests.
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I’m going to say what others have said in a different way. There is no doubt that there is racism in America but I don’t think this is an example of it. The distinction being made is between natural nudity vs. provocative nudity without regard to race. It is, instead, about perverse prudity. Provocative nudity is always blurred on broadcast tv, given an R rating in movies, put on the top shelf at magazine stands, etc. Putting a warning label on natural nudity is just a hat-tip to this Puritanism and indicates nothing about the color of the “natives.” There just aren’t any white aboriginals left in the world. If there were, National Geographic would show their tits and dicks, too.
Now, if there were a documentary about a nudist colony and all the white people’s parts were blurred while all the people of color’s parts were exposed… well, that would prove editorial racism. An “indigenous nudity” warning only proves that some Americans are embarrased/aroused by seeing unclothed bodies.
I agree with you on that and I’m not denying that racism is as prevelant today as it ever was, though maybe more hidden.
I am someone who wishes more nudity was shown on tv, in a contextual way of course, and I say that as a parent. I find it amazing that parents let their kids watch movies where people get blown apart but get all freaked out over nudity. I am talking about natural nudity, not exploitative nudity just for the sake of nudity.
It may also be a function of the difference between network programming and cable tv. The networks with always blur out body parts while cable tv will show them.
But, but, there AREN’T doumentaries about white nudist colonies on TV. They don’t have to blur anything because they don’t show them at all.
I’m willing to bet that neither National Geographic nor Nature nor the Discovey channel, all of whom regularly expose “indigenous nudity”, would ever air a program showing white Canadian nudists or white Swedish sauna users.
White nudity is serious. “Other” nudity just doesn’t matter. As noted above, other nudity is bargan basment nudity for young boys who can’t get the real thing.