About 2,400 years after Socrates died, I took my first course in Philosophy. We were studying his life and thoughts through Plato’s works. Which were really Greek to me. But the professor had a nice way of summing up what the gadfly of Athens was all about. “He went about the city challenging the most basic assumptions of the people he met,” the nondescript professor said (it was community college for Army people). “And he did it using a kind of verbal Judo — getting them thinking one thing and then using the weight of their own arguments to throw them to the ground.”
The idea of verbal Judo has stayed with me. Just taking the weight of an argument, and pushing it to its logical extremes, to show its internal flaws.
So why on God’s earth does this piece of personal trivia become important enough to write down at 5:02 a.m. on a Thursday morning? You got me. But if you’ll join me after the flip, I’ll explain what got me thinking about this old, old lesson from my rather inauspicious days as a student.
My entire adult life, I’ve been bombarded by a couple of messages. We all have. I don’t even know that I’d call the messages “conservative” ideas at this point. Because a whole lot of Democrats seem to subscribe to them as well. Or at least concede their truth. The two particular messages that have come into focus for me recently are: 1) Growth is good for the economy; and 2) Cutting taxes are good for the economy.
That “growth” is a positive development for our economy, both universally and locally, is almost unquestioned. The very statistics we use to measure our success talk about growth. GDP growth. Housing starts. Jobs created. More trade. More production. More sales. More is almost always equated with better in the news we are fed.
I was reminded of how good growth is when I met a suburban mom yesterday. She had four kids, she was proud to tell me, shortly after unloading three-quarters of her offspring from her SUV. It was just the pride in her voice that made me cringe. But I don’t suppose it should have. Because growth is good. Have a bizillion kids. So long as you can afford enough SUVs to get them to McDonalds a couple of times a week.
Growth is the model on which we have based everything. It is the lifeblood of capitalism. More people. More products. More jobs. More resources put into production. More profit. And smile at just how good the world has turned out.
So I got to thinking, very late at night, when sleep would not come, what would Socrates say to the woman and her brood, if he were able to lead her to a discussion about growth and our economy? And it seems to me that the answer is fairly simple. If growth is good, what will happen to your system when it runs out of room for growth? There are limits to this world that even idiots ought to be able to see coming on the near horizon. There is a limit to the population of human beings, beyond which we will lack the capacity to provide food and water. There is a limit to the natural resources on which we have built the system that feeds us today. There is a limit on the number of homes we need to build. There are physical limits everywhere on this planet. That we are fast brushing up against, giving us the uneasy feeling that we are in a crowded market.
I would have to posit that the very word “growth” needs to be replaced with “sustainability.” Our wealth can no longer be measured by how much we can own or produce or consume. Our wealth must be measured by how well we can take care of each individual in a sustainable way. The policy implications of adopting this attitudinal shift would be mind-boggling. And I’m sure that Socrates would ultimately take sustainability advocates like myself, and throw our ass on the mat. But it is certainly time that we push this idea of growth to the other side of the ring.
And since it was the middle of the night, when I began to think these thoughts, and I was not yet tired, I kept on thinking. I’ve been reminded of Ronald Reagan in recent days. That good old tax-cutting, Commie fighting son of a gun. Mostly it is the tax cuts that reminded me of the man. I’ve been hearing about the estate tax repeal that was again within a whisker of passage by the Senate. And as a lawyer who has done his fair share of working-class estate planning, I can assure you that this tax is absolutely no threat to anyone you know, unless you’ve been flying around on your buddy’s private jet recently.
But it is not just the estate tax. Taxes — all taxes — are now synonymous with bad. Democrats do not even fight the idea much anymore. They might make the appropriate vote from time to time. But who in their right mind would ever defend taxes. Because it is just conventional wisdom that taxes are bad for business. And certainly, they are unpopular with the tax payer. So who is really out there fighting for tax increases. At best, maybe you get a voice in the wilderness who says something about letting a tax cut expire. Or who, gasp, might suggest that we return taxes to a level where they were, gasp, actually bringing in nearly enough money to pay for the spending that our government was undertaking.
It is just man-on-the-street wisdom, right? You can’t get elected talking about taxes. Unless you are talking about cutting them.
So what would Socrates say to the man on the street, about this wisdom? I dunno for sure. But I’m thinking he might point out the total bankruptcy of this notion in the long run.
You live in a country where viable politicians must pursue one of these tax policies: 1) I’ll cut taxes, 2) I’ll maintain current tax levels, or 3) I’ll never raise taxes. Unless something changes in the political climate of your country, you live in a system where the government will eventually go bankrupt. Because some politicians will get elected to cut taxes. And some will get elected to maintain tax levels. But none will ever get elected to raise taxes. And this will ultimately lead to no revenue.
If tax cutting is good, why have any taxes at all? When, if ever, would we stop cutting taxes? And how will we finance our government once taxes are gone?
Questions, questions. Always questions. Never answers. Well, at least they don’t make people who ask questions drink hemlock anymore. In fact, I’m more than certain there would have been a few Schiavo freaks outside Socrates window, screaming at him to stop the madness as he deprived the state its right to execute him. But that will have to wait for another sleepless night.
Two comments:
The only Sophists allowed to operate will be the likes of Karl Rove, and other Murdoch/Scaife approved voices.
Couldn’t agree more with your points. I’m studying them now, for their concise appeal. Perhaps someday in the near future, I can write a diary that begins with the line, “I once learned from a blogger named kidspeak, the value of saying things in a very clear manner. And I’m now about to bore you with 5,000 words on the topic of . . . .” 🙂
The fact that they don’t even need to silence anyone. That there is a silence by simply limiting the ability of any idea to have mass broadcast. I’ve never felt it more than in the past year. In doing some radio (and realizing how concentrated it is) and also in trying to get press coverage of events (and realizing how disinterested the press is) and also in confronting politicians in these “town hall” settings (and seeing just how controlled the message is by the government officials). There is an unbelievable inability for average people to be heard in any way. Right down to voting.
I’m glad to know another nameless prof can incite an activist to write about philosophy. Increasing reflection on life and generating positive changes is what we are supposed to do. Thank you.
Good points. The modern American version of hemlock is effected by simply dismissing the questioner variously as a “terrorist sympathizer,” “tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist,” “crackpot,” “extremist,” “rejectionist,” “obstructionist,” “radical,” or if they really want to make sure no one listens to them, “leftist.”
I’m not sure “common good” was ever really a part of the plan for the US.
“Common good” is a bit too far on the side of that radical notion that the purpose of having a government, a state, in the first place is to benefit the people who live there. All of them.
While it is true that many, in their own way, even most, nations have been moving toward that philosophy for quite some time, the US has been consistently more retro, more about getting back to the basics of the purpose of the state is to increase the riches of the king and his court, and this is also the purpose of the existence of the people who live there. Almost all of them.
It is hard to argue that this is anything but appropriate and “right” for the US, when one considers how it came to consider itself to be a state in the first place.
However, as BostonJoe points out, there is a limit. Once the goose’s belly has been opened, that is pretty much that, and the whole world has been wiping American gooseblood out of its eyes for a while now.
The US is the most powerful, and most feared entity on earth. But is its power, and is the people’s fear, stronger than the instinct of species preservation?
Thoughts in the night…I am sorry I missed your book talk on Ishmael. The world has never been the same after reading it.
I think about human creativity and our understandings of psychology and sociology, always coming to the conclusion it doesn’t have to be the way it is now. And then I go into my “what ifs.” What if we made conflict resolution on all levels our top priority? What if we were given so many “units” of “energy” per lifetime?
I have been thinking about “exceptionalism,” expanding it from the notion of national exceptionalism to a variety of levels. For example, many people drive as if they are an “exception” to the laws of the road. I wonder whether we are a nation of adolescents.
Perhaps that is why so many consider taxes an imposition, yet people want (expect) services. This is like a teenager who wants to be able to drive the car, but not contribute to the vehicle’s maintenance.
Reading PsiFighter37’s recent diaries on Lakoff, I have been thinking about the “patriarchal” (Republican) view of government and the “nurturing parent” (Democrat) view. Adolescents need “parenting,” adults don’t.
What kind of government do “grown-ups” need?
More questions – no answers (sigh). No hemlock, but no kool-aid either. 😉
It seems to me that grown-ups would gravitate toward a very dispersed, localized government. Where decision making was a part of community responsibility. And where the leaders and the led were the same kind of people. Little disparity in wealth or class. So that all decisions effected people in relatively the same ways.
Something like anarcho-sydicalism, or at least my limited understanding of that concept.
Hey! Kool-aid!
I was just about to respond to your thoughts BJ when I heard this story on the local tv news. The title of the article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune is “Some Rich Minnesotans Want to Pay More Taxes.” Over 200 of them took out a full page ad in the paper saying they want to pay more taxes for education, health care and transportation.
Maybe there is hope.
That is a very refreshing article. Not all wealthy people are just out for themselves. Too large a generalization on my part. Thanks for sharing.
I think you’re a bit off on the public sentiment towards taxes. I don’t think that Americans are inherently against taxes at all. The problem is that there is a large amount of mistrust that has built up between those paying the taxes and those spending the revenues.
This mistrust has come about for good reason. Do you really want to pay more taxes when you read stories like $9 Billion missing in Iraq? $29 Billion for pork projects? The now infamous Bridge to Nowhere? And that’s not even touching the bloated military industrial complex.
No, I think most Americans are more than willing to pay their share of taxes for the ‘common good’. We understand that roads are important. Schools are important. Even that health care is important. But we also understand what isn’t important, and there is just too much of our money going to these things right now.
Until the government can start being fiscally responsible with its current revenues, then I can completely understand why a politician can’t run on a platform of raising taxes.
Part of the problem is not so much in paying taxes as in where the taxes come from. I see two factors at work in Washington state, and I will admit I haven’t followed it very closely, so someone else might have to follow this up.
The first factor is that the state often, for whatever reason, gives large companies tax breaks as an incentive to move their operations here (or sometimes to keep them here). The companies of course are using this as a wedge to try and extract those concessions — “Well, if we don’t get the tax breaks we want, we’ll just move to Tennessee. They’ve already promised us . . . ”
A cousin to that is actually extorting money from the public. OK, the companies involved wouldn’t call it extorting, but that’s what it amounts to. The highest-profile case of that right now is the Seattle Sonics basketball team, who are threatening to bolt town in about four to five years unless they get $200 million from the city with which to renovate Key Arena, where they play their games. To their credit, the citizens of Seattle are in no mood to fork over that much money to a group of millionaires when schools are closing and highly visible structures like two major roadways (the Alaskan Way viaduct and the Lake Washington floating bridge) are in immediate need of repair or replacement, among many other things, and when as recently as ten years ago the Sonics proclaimed themselves happy with a remodel of Key Arena (publicly financed, as I recall) that they now say is inadequate. (The fact that the nearby city of Renton is offering to build an arena for the Sonics is also making it easier to say “If you’re the last one out of Key Arena, please turn off the lights.”)
The second is where the taxes are coming from. The average citizen in Seattle at least is feeling a squeeze, with a sales tax of 8.9% and schools funded by property taxes, which are rising as housing prices in town continue to rise. We’ve had friends who had to sell their houses and move out of town simply because they couldn’t afford the property taxes.
I notice that I’m running up against a deadline and I’ve already gone on longer than I anticipated. I guess my central point is that I’ve come around in my thinking. I used to brainstorm responses to questions like “If there aren’t any taxes, who will pay for the street lamps?” These days I’m much more concerned with answers to questions like “How can we distribute the tax burden more equitably between those who can least afford them, and those who can best afford them?”
One of the reasons why I procrastinated so long finishing taxes this year is I didn’t want to give money to the Iraq War. It would be different if it was helping hurricane homeless.
Why did I? I didn’t want to get a lien on my house or go to jail. So I reacted as if it was protection money. I’m not paying Bu$hCo for (much) help, I’m paying him to keep away. 🙁
They like extorting taxes from weaker people. Tax breaks for the richest & laws that favors the most powerful BigBusiness and makes it harder for the competition … But wait people have to include tips as income.
I’m thinking that eventually the underground economy is going to become big business, if it hasn’t already while I wasn’t paying attention. It always struck me as ludicrous that if you trade an hour’s worth of computer repair for, say, a dozen quarts of peach jam, each party has to declare the value of the thing traded for as if it were actual money. (This was brought home to me by the experience of a friend who once sought to set up a business helping people keep track of barter for tax purposes. I think the business folded within a couple of months; nobody was willing to go on record as to how much they were bartering.)
The idea that we don’t want to fund government priorities that we disagree with Sounds basically like a left leaning kind of “drown the government like a baby in the bathwater” kind of statement that has come from ultra conservative thinkers — where they just couldn’t stand the supposed socialism so they want to cripple the nation with debt.
I don’t disagree. I’d like to drown the military-industrial complex. I think there may be a whole lot of people waiting for this system to fail in its entirety, so that we might try a do-over.
I see your point, but there is a huge difference.
I’m not arguing about ‘priorities’. I’m talking about waste, plain and simple. Would it be harder for a senior to pay for their heart medication if $9 billion hadn’t been lost in Iraq (other than, obviously, whoever got that money)? Would it be harder for a family to put food on the table without a bridge in Alaska connecting 2 severely remote areas?
I’m not talking about picking and choosing priorities. I’m talking about cutting out the total crap. No more no-bid contracts. No more duffel bags full of cash handed out from the back of a plane.
After that, we can get into discussing the give and take between cutting spending and providing safety nets, but damn I’d like to see where just those small first steps would get us.
I got into a political discussion with someone who wanted a law or whatever in a certain circumstance because “If taxes are going to have to pay when ….. goes bad, shouldn’t the state intervene?”
My answer: it’s not valid. If the government wasn’t wasting so much money on an illegal immoral war and in pork barrel there’d be money for a non-coercive outreach to handle that problem.
[ejmw, I don’t think you deserve the full brunt of my anger at the use of this WF&A argument, but it is a slippery slope, so I ask you to please be careful exactly how and where you air your discontent. I added this personal note to my comment last, even though it’s at the top, so as not to insinuate that I am angry specifically at you. I’m just tired of hearing about WF&A. Argument follows:]
In every large system, there will be waste, fraud, and abuse. I certainly don’t condone it. I surely want to eliminate it. However, I also view this argument as a tired epithet that is often used to argue right wing ‘ideals’. Every time they want to cut funding from a social program, they holler “waste, fraud, and abuse” and elevate these problems to a godlike position in the argument.
Don’t want to build roads in the ‘hood’? Holler ‘bridge to nowhere’ and cut off funding for repaving inner city streets. Don’t want a safety net for manufacuring workers who get laid off permanently after 25 years of hard work? Yell ‘welfare queens’ and dismantle programs needed for honest hardworking displaced folks in Michigan. Don’t want doctors to pay for their own incompetencies? Yell ‘runaway juries’ and shove ‘tort reform’ onto the few innocent and severely butchered patients.
There is a theoretical break-even point somewhere between spending so much effort trying to stop waste fraud and abuse that it costs more money to stop it than the amount you save by doing so, thus, NO system, operating efficiently, will totally eliminate WF&A.
We could build a dozen bridges to nowhere and still feed the world. We could overfund welfare and still have a vibrant economy. Doctors could still practice medicine without ‘tort reform’.
IF the tax policies were fair to the working folks, we could pay more taxes and have a better society, even with the inevitable WF&A. It will always be there, you can’t stop it completely, and until recently with Bush and his ‘rape and pillage’ cronyism, we did OK. Pork is not ALL bad. The system for assigning pork stinks, but the results have not crippled our country, as some would have you think. A few extra bridges are OK by me if we would just build the bridges that we really do need and repair the ones that we really use and keep them safe. Garden variety WF&A has never been that big of a problem.
When people use this WF&A argument with me, I tell them to go live in Darfur where the tax rates are really low and the government officials get their WF&A incomes from good old private enterprise without any assistance from the public. The system we have in America is not, has never been, and will never be free from corruption. That’s no excuse to quit trying to make it as good as it can be.
I see where you’re coming from and I agree wholeheartedly with your position (I think). I am not advocating trying to solve all our budgetary issues by working to eliminate this stuff; that is why I referred to it as a ‘first step’. Remember that the context of my statement was to help raise the trust level between taxpayers and taxspenders so taxpayers are more willing to open their proverbial taxwallets, not as the end-all be-all solution to balancing a budget or being able to provide programs for the common good.
I can’t really say if I agree more with you or blueneck. I guess I’ll just bet on both of you to show, and then be happy when you are both in the money.
We’ll all be in the money, I would bet.
[again, ejmw, I understand that I may be arguing at something bigger than you have implied, but I think it’s useful to air my whole argument. At least, it is helpful to me. 🙂 Thanks for allowing me to argue my points without you taking personal umbrage at my expression of the anger I have about this whole issue. Argument follows:]
I still think you’re getting the cart before the horse. I firmly believe that raising the trust level involves educating the general public that WF&A WILL exist, and that it doesn’t provide ample reason to shut down needed government programs. That should be the first step, imho.
If there is no tax dollar to supervise, then there can be no program to control WF&A. We need to show the public some sort of progressive version of a ‘laffer curve’ that balances WF&A against the good being done by a given program. The tolerance of some WF&A is, at its most basic level, an economic balancing act. If we spend all of a tax dollar in a moralistic effort to police its use, nothing useful will ever get done.
Systems to prevent and punish WF&A are already in place in government. I agree that this current administration is making a mockery of those controls, but the answer is to boot the thugs out and prosecute them (a la Safavian). I believe that this, and some realistic dialogue about the existence of WF&A in the first place, is the way to restore public trust.
I can see why you would say that, but understand that the more appropriate analogy from my point of view is that I am putting the chicken before the egg. Theory aside, I don’t think there is a clear winner from a policy standpoint.
I don’t think that the majority of people will accept that WF&A are an inherent byproduct of having a large system. Regardless of how true it is. They’ll just stare at you like you just told them the earth is warming and it is our fault. Or that tax cuts don’t pay for themselves.
I think the better approach is to show some concern over what is happening to the money they’re paying first. As you say, the current crop of crooked cons are making a total mockery of our system, and funneling taxpayer money into their and their friends’ pockets at astounding rates. I think if you tell people that they have to accept WF&A as a necessary evil right now, they’ll run you out of the house. If, however, you cut out some of the most egregious excesses first (for example, no-bid contracts or missing duffel bag dollars), then I think they’ll be more susceptible to the argument.
Pork projects from Congress were a poor choice for me to include in my argument, so if you would graciously allow me to drop them from the list I would be much obliged 😉
Who pays taxes is another facet of the distrust, imo. Smintheus wrote a wonderful diary, Crude awakening: Treasury losing tens of billions to oil companies
Here is the first paragraph (my bold):
An example of our oligarchy, I think. Government in the hands of the few, ensuring that their own coffers are enriched with our common resources. The old fashioned way.
OK, I’ll agree with you. It is true that in the current environment WF&A and its natural existence is not a popular topic on which one could run an election and win. I agree that a politician would best lead with a ‘cut out the fraud’ type of statement if he/she merely wants the expedient means of winning. This is the pragmatic view, imho. I have certainly been rightfully accused in the past of being a pragmatist.
However, I will disagree with you when it comes down to discussing a specific program with a specific individual who may spout the WF&A line in support of a specific spending cut. I have personally had success in pointing out to conservative individuals that the desire for corruption free government is a utopian, idealistic position and that this position does not agree with the typical conservative view of personal motivations.
I have no trouble convincing conservatives one-on-one that they must accept the fact that WF&A happens and that we need to support the functions of government that police such malfeasance. My argument destroys their first justification for cutting a specific program and exposes the underlying reason that they want to put an end to some government program or another. It forces intellectual honesty into the discussion.
Specifically, I had a conversation a few years back with a conservative in which that individual used the ‘welfare queens abuse the welfare program’ argument against the need for welfare. I convinced this person that all large endeavors are subject to some corruption and that policing the program to the nth degree was counter-productive. I could then proceed to have a more intellectually honest discussion with that person about the welfare program per se.
In subsequent conversations, I have never heard that individual use a WF&A argument against my positions – ever. The individual in question has learned something, though I don’t know whether it is merely to not use that argument with me or whether it signals a new and deeper understanding on that individual’s part.
Pork is hereby dropped…. You have been so gracious to me, how could I not return it to you?
we’ve never tried
– 7th generation – decisions must be based on whether it will be good or bad for the 7th generation to come.
– True democracy rather than the 20% kind we have now (although our education system needs to come up to snuff to really make this happen)
– True capitalism – making accounting requirements that ALL resources used in creating a product must go into that miserable bottom line – air, water, energy, health of community and workers, etc. Right now capitalism is supposedly based on a flawed economic model that doesn’t really show the downsides or the ecological or health hits of our policies or production.
and with all the technological communication improvements it strikes me that there could be a greater connection between our leadership and the people. We email for instance, but all of our epistles get filtered by the office staff. What if the rep had to meet and greet a few hundred of us at a time face to face?
I can tell you that when a few hundred faces drop by a given office in a week on one issue, they tend to get a bit annoyed. Though it doesn’t make them listen necessarily. Just makes our guy more pissed, I think, perhaps.
We are so capable of technologically having a more true democracy. Or a more decentralized set of responsibilities. That would be mighty dangerous though. If ordinary people started making decisions. What would the poor corporations do? And those few elites in the oligarchy. Where would they go. What shelter would take them in?
Hmmmm . . . there’s a song in there somewhere about corporate charity.
Won’t you give a dollar?
Can’t you spare a dime?
Isn’t helping Sony worth an hour of your time?
Help the corporations,
It’s the noble thing to do,
Take pity on the CEOs, they’re reaching out to you.
Time to dust off the banjo.
Ah, I see the old ADHD kicked in again and made me . . . oh, look, a chicken!
Ahem.
Anyway National Lampoon’s take on this was a picture of a slightly bedraggled yuppie spawn who lived in a faraway place called “Ohio.” Things were so bad he had had to give up the polo pony, he had never tasted imported caviar, the whole bit.
I need to lose some weight. I have a tailcoat that would be perfect for a Billionaires for Bush outfit, and I have the face for it (picture the Moneybags guy from Monopoly with huge bushy sideburns). Sadly, I’ve gained quite a bit of weight since I bought the tailcoat.
maybe the extra weight adds to the statement “bloated fat cats!”
It’s an amusing sentiment, and I might actually go along with it if I could fit into the pants.
If the guy gets pissed at the hundred faces, the hundred faces gets a clue about the guy! And they tell a hundred of their friends about the guy getting pissed just doing regular stuff and everybody starts to wonder about the guy. And pretty soon, just like Lieberman, the guy starts opening his mouth and all sorts of crap starts coming out! Those hundred faces become the equivalent of fiber to the legislative gut!
Concepts..values..principles…that I have watched (overall view) slowly weaken in my lifetime:
concern for the common good
honesty
integrity
respect
kindness
fairness
justice for all
tolerance
acceptance
respect for/inclusion of elders
sense of responsibility for the poor and frail among us
the willing sharing of recources
the concept of “enough”
the value of relationships with each other
the concept of oneness with others this planet
All of these and more seem to have been displaced to a fair to large degree by a focus on acquiring material evidence of sucess that is measured by weath attained and power status achieved. The first thing we often ask each other on meeting now is “What do YOU “do”? We need some way to measure this persons “status” right off the bat.
This cannot go on forever, this constant state of “acquisition of more” as the prime motivator of a culture, without the concurrent loss of our humanity and essential connectedness with each other. This nation, in my humble opinion, seems to have sold it’s soul for profit.
This nation, in my humble opinion, seems to have sold it’s soul for profit.
I have come to accept “In God We Trust” on our money as an accurate statement of our true belief, money is God. Money a totally faith-based system. 😉
I think this idea (that we’ve sold our soles for the profit motive) is ramapant among people in our culture. I think it is quite possibly the basis of a strong populist movement. Corporations are entirely easy to bash. At least with words (maybe not in court cases where money counts as a resource). People really dislike losing out on their humanity. I think. Many feel overworked, underpaid and completely banckrupt on all things non-material.
It seems to me that the right has fended off this growing dissatisfaction with a profit society with a couple of tactics — mere tactics — that aren’t addressing the underlying problem satisfactorily, but allow people to continue to support a system they don’t even like. One is a selling of religion as a political value. Christian rightness. We aren’t sell-outs. God wants me to drive that Hummer. And the ability to obfiscate the basic unfairness of wealth distribution in this capitalist economy. Spreading the myth that we all have a chance to get rich. That we’re an “opportunity” society. But these things just keep ringing, more and more hollow. The nature of capitalism, left unfettered, is an increasing disparity of wealth. It cannot be hidden. We will either have wealth re-distribution, or there will eventually be pressure to alter the system. When too many people are no longer able to ignore their lack of basic shelter, food, health care and fair working conditions. At least that is my two cents.
Don’t forget the conflation of poverty and sin. “If these people don’t have enough to eat, it must be because of something they’ve done.” “If they weren’t lazy they wouldn’t be in this situation.” They equate punishment for not being Republican enough with punishment for being sinful, which in itself violates Christianity. Nowhere in the Bible is it written that God punishes sinners immediately; His kingdom is of Heaven, after all, and not earth. The rain falleth on the just and the unjust, and Kenneth Blackwell and Dick Cheney still have jobs.
That is a favorite bullshit scheme that they run. Arghh! I can’t stand it.
“Spreading the myth that we all have a chance to get rich. That we’re an “opportunity” society.”
Yeah. I believed that once. If you work hard, you will get rich. It’s what made me start working at age 15, made me refuse welfare to put myself through nursing school when widowed at age 29, and what kept me working one to three jobs till I went out on disability at age 57. Thats 42 years of damned hard work.
So, where’s my Hummer?
You get the Hummer of the Heart award, anyway. And in the American Dream, you get to play the lottery from time to time, if you are lucky enough to have a dollar.
By the way, if you haven’t seen it — American Dreamz. Very, very funny movie. Maybe a rental for later this year.
Hang in scribe. You make the world a good place. I’m sure of it. We shouldn’t value ourselves as they want us to.
My first reaction to all of this BJ was to let you know that I would like to unleash Socrates on the whole “American Dream” ideal. Lately I’ve been thinking alot about how having that as our nation’s moto has only served to ensure that we are all working hard to be as greedy and materialistic as possible. So, I’m ready for a brand new American Dream, maybe one that includes all Americans – regardless of income level, race, or what part of the American continent you happen to live in.
I don’t know what the new dream would be – but my first thought comes from a book I read a couple of months ago titled “The Soul of Money” by Lynne Twist. Here’s an excerpt from the description at Barnes & Noble:
Through personal stories and practical advice, she demonstrates how we can replace feelings of scarcity, guilt, and burden with experiences of sufficiency, freedom, and purpose.
So my vote for a new American Dream would be to strive for “sufficiency, freedom, and purpose for all.”
That sounds oddly productive. Like an effective platform or something from the New Deal era.
Sufficiency, freedom and purpose. Sufficiency — a home functioning off the grid free from oil. Freedom — knowing your thoughts and personal life will not become a government domain. Purpose — striving to make work meaningful. How many people are stuck in jobs that mean nothing to them. I know it may be idealistic, but I think when we were a small, agrarian society, at least we were not completely alienated from our work. Our work brought us, quite directly, our daily bread. The more connected work is to existence, the more purpose it has, I think.
Thanks for thoughts from the home of Garrison Keillor.
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