If you haven’t yet read Sy Hersh’s newest New Yorker piece, you should get cracking. Sy has a lot of sources in this bad boy, and it ain’t pretty from the point of view of world peace. That’s because Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have an insatiable lust for blood and yet have an insufficient amount of it circulating through their brains.
If you had any doubt the April Revolution (aka the Revolt of the Generals) was really about Cheney and Rummy’s desire to use a nuclear weapon on Iran, Hersh puts an end to it. It appears the dangerous duo’s only real allies for the BOMB IRAN STRATEGY are from the Air Force. The Air Force has always been the special preserve of frightening loons.
I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that’s been fed to them.- Curtis E. Lemay
Sounds kinda familiar. From Hersh’s article:
“Bush and Cheney were dead serious about the nuclear planning,” the former senior intelligence official told me. “And [Peter] Pace stood up to them. Then the world came back: ‘O.K., the nuclear option is politically unacceptable.’ ”
Maybe it is because of their remove from the carnage they create, but Air Force Generals can be quite sanguine about destroying whole nations of people.
That was the era when we might have destroyed Russia completely and not even skinned our elbows doing it.- Curtis E. Lemay
They just don’t excel in the humanitarian department.
We should bomb Vietnam back into the stone age.- Curtis E. Lemay
Let’s remember that Lemay wanted to create Armageddon.
His first war plan, drawn up in 1949, proposed delivering “the entire stockpile of atomic bombs in a single massive attack” – dropping 133 atomic bombs on 70 cities within 30 days.
And during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he almost did:
That had also been the unanimous recommendation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff three days earlier. “This blockade and political action . . . will lead right into war,” Gen. Curtis LeMay of the Air Force warned. “This is almost as bad as the appeasement at Munich.”
It “would be considered by a lot of our friends and neutrals as being a pretty weak response to this,” the general said. “And I’m sure a lot of our own citizens would feel that way, too. You’re in a pretty bad fix, Mr. President.”
…We now know from Soviet documents that an American military attack would have been met with fierce resistance from local Soviet troops authorized to use tactical nuclear weapons against American forces on the beaches, at sea and in the air. Although we were less certain of that back in 1962, questions on our agenda nevertheless included the number of deaths from nuclear fallout in American cities.
Okay, enough about old Bombs Away Lemay. The point is that Air Force Generals tend to be more reckless than Army or Marine Generals. They also like to use their toys. So, I’m not surprised that they are allies of Cheney and Rumsfeld and that no Air Force generals joined in the April Revolution.
Some of Hersh’s description about the debate over bombing Iran is below the fold.
One complicating aspect of the multiple-hit tactic, the Pentagon consultant told me, is “the liquefaction problem”—the fact that the soil would lose its consistency owing to the enormous heat generated by the impact of the first bomb. “It will be like bombing water, with its currents and eddies. The bombs would likely be diverted.” Intelligence has also shown that for the past two years the Iranians have been shifting their most sensitive nuclear-related materials and production facilities, moving some into urban areas, in anticipation of a bombing raid.
“The Air Force is hawking it to the other services,” the former senior intelligence official said. “They’re all excited by it, but they’re being terribly criticized for it.” The main problem, he said, is that the other services do not believe the tactic will work. “The Navy says, ‘It’s not our plan.’ The Marines are against it—they know they’re going to be the guys on the ground if things go south.”
“It’s the bomber mentality,” the Pentagon consultant said. “The Air Force is saying, ‘We’ve got it covered, we can hit all the distributed targets.’ ” The Air Force arsenal includes a cluster bomb that can deploy scores of small bomblets with individual guidance systems to home in on specific targets. The weapons were deployed in Kosovo and during the early stages of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and the Air Force is claiming that the same techniques can be used with larger bombs, allowing them to be targeted from twenty-five thousand feet against a multitude of widely dispersed targets. “The Chiefs all know that ‘shock and awe’ is dead on arrival,” the Pentagon consultant said. “All except the Air Force.”
“Rumsfeld and Cheney are the pushers on this—they don’t want to repeat the mistake of doing too little,” the government consultant with ties to Pentagon civilians told me. “The lesson they took from Iraq is that there should have been more troops on the ground”—an impossibility in Iran, because of the overextension of American forces in Iraq—“so the air war in Iran will be one of overwhelming force.”
Yes, our civilian leadership is nuts and the Air Force is prepared to do their bidding. It’s the fluoridation, Mandrake.
Hat tip to rba for pointing me to the story.
If Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were in charge in October 18, 1962 and if I was still alive, I’d be scraping for a living of what is left of the USA in the Pacific Northwest. Castro was all for launching the Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles that were already deployed in Cuba that the USA was unaware of. One of the many interesting aspects of the “Fog of War”.
Bush is a True Believer. Not one frown of doubt has ever crossed his face.
You have to have intelligence to be able to doubt and bush has never been known for that.
There is one more person who seems un-dismayed by the nuclear-option: wannabe Pa. Senator Bob Casey Jr. During the second debate Casey insisted that all options needed to be on the table in Iran. This was against the back-drop of the earlier Hersh article that talked about the fact that Bush et al were contemplating using nukes in Iran.
During the Lancaster debate Chuck Pennacchio interpreted the earlier Casey remarks as indicating that he (Casey) was in favor of keeping the nuclear option on the table. “Correct me if I am wrong,” Chuck said. Casey did not correct him.
All those LeMay ravings brought me to the same place, BooMan, especially since I was at Gitmo with naval aviation on the date Jim S mentioned in his post. I haven’t experienced a flashback of that magnitude in quite some time. They just don’t make ’em like that any more!
It appears we could do no worse with the good Dr. S than the current crop of lunatic idiots we have the misfortune to have in charge today. Except for maybe the April Revolution generals, that is.
The Air Force v. the rest of the services on bombing Iran was a subtext of Hersh’s first report on this subject. This time he’s foregrounded it more.
Put this info together with the frothing at the mouth going on in wingnutland, fauxville and GOPer Congress, as well as the White House and Pentagon Crazed Bushites Last Stand, and we’re up against it between now and November.
The scariest part of the Hersh article is that people are actually talking about using nuclear weapons in Iran. And the conservatives apparently want a war with Iran to rally the Kurds and Sunnis against a common enemy..so we can find out which Shities are pro-Iraqi and pro-Iran.
The fact that someone actually uttered something so incredibly stupid…makes me wonder if Forrest Gump has become an Air Force General.
Drill Sargent: Gump what is your sole purpose in this Army.
Gump: To do whatever you tell me Drill Sargent!
Drill Sargent: Gump you are #$%@#$# genuis….
yup, stupid is, as stupid does…
The Chinese get 10% of their oil from Iran, why would they lend us money to attack Iran? For that matter, why would anyone lend us money to attack Iran?
and what it told me about the Revolt of the Generals was right on the money. I have mixed feelings about the Air Force sometimes. My Air Force F-16 pilot brother-in-law is the biggest egotistical piece of shit I have ever met…..did I happen to mention that he also graduated from the Air Force Academy? Oh, I didn’t? God forbid that I leave anything celebrity out of his fucking resume! He feels so special he knows for a fact that he special and he is specialist of the most special, and I want all you libruls out there to know that he risks his life and limb all the time at the drop of hat or bomb from 5,000 feet for your sorry treasonous asses who barely deserve it! He forgets that you all pay his fucking wages and paid for the development and the designing and the building and the maintenance and the fueling of the aircraft he flies. He also forgets that you guys paid for all of his education which continues to this day and you pay for all of his healthcare and his families healthcare. He also forgets that he works for you guys and he ought to kiss your sorry treasonous asses every single day for the opportunity you have all granted him to pretend to himself that he is Tom fucking Cruise in Top Gun every single motherfucking day. I don’t want you guys to draw any conclusions about the relationship that I have with my brother-in-law because sometimes I shine a very sunny light on it and actually I would say that for the most part it is quite strained.
What is a hoot is that the technology now exists to allow pimply, fat little dweebs sitting in a bunker while controlling a UCAV to blast your brother-in-law right out of his own personal hole in the sky and he wouldn’t even know it. Even the AF brass knows it. Your brother-in-law is too busy looking in the mirror to even begin to understand. He’s a dinosaur (not the AF’s Dyna-Soar either).
I’m laughing too hard. He does know this and we have had that conversation, which evolved into my receiving a lecture that such things never should have been created……but the bombs he drops are fine of course to have come into being. I sit there bland eyed because I have nothing to do with any of this anyhow so lecture away to the blank screen that is now Tracy’s mind. My husband also called him a dinosaur once too……but not to his face, I wonder what would happen if he did?
LeMay was the architect of the fire bombing of Tokyo which killed more people than the Hiroshima bomb. Given that, only the most deluded person would argue that a military is not necessary. LeMay was not as self aware as America’s other pit bull George Patton, who at least understood that he should be kept in a closet somewhere until he was needed to fight a war. The problem with Cheney and Rumsfeld is that they are the ones in the closet with their heads up either their own or one another’s asses, and they think this is a great decision making model.
when one doesn’t have to look the enemy right in his/her human eye!
Follow the money. It’s no coincidence that our two Fearless Leaders are both in the oil “bidness.” What is the purpose of the invasion of Iraq and the threatened invasion of Iran? First, it is Bush and Cheney’s fascistic attempt to intimidate Iran which represents the entire breadth of their foreign policy thinking. Second, it’s to get and keep the price of oil at maximum levels through increasing the instability in the Middle East. They want instability in the region, and they are doing all they can to produce more of it.
Bush is incompetent not because he is stupid, but because he’s the oil bidness’s bitch. Under his watch, Cheney’s 400,000 shares of Halliburton have done quite well. Coincidence? Can you say Texas Rangers? Wouldn’t it be nice if all Americans had a chance to have a siting President for their bitch?
should never forget that we are the only country to have used the bomb in anger. We as American people should insure we never use it again.
Those that propose the use of Nukes should be outed and then removed from power or position whether it is political or military. It is that simple.
Carl Builder, a Rand Corporation analyst, wrote a book titled “The Masks of War: American Military Styles in Strategy and Analysis” almost twenty years ago which delved into the differences between the branches of the service. Even then he noted the Air Force’s seeming distance from war and the cerebral way in which they seemed to approach the whole topic. For them, it’s just dots on a map. The changes in technology over the intervening period have likely only reinforced that mindset – with precision weapons and stealth they don’t usually even see their targets since they’re attacking from over the horizon or at night. The Army and the Marines know they’ll be smelling the blood from dead comrades and enemies and they approach war completely differently. They know its not an antiseptic tabulation of destroyed targets on the chalk board.
Then the world came back: `O.K., the nuclear option is politically unacceptable
Should not that have been immediately obvious to any normal human being?