Below, I am going to analyze one of Bush’s answers in today’s joint Bush-Blair press conference. Here’s the question.
QUESTION: Mr. President, both of you, I’d like to ask you about the big picture that you’re discussing.
Mr. President, three years ago, you argued that an invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace. And yet today there is an Iraqi prime minister who has been sharply critical of Israel.
Arab governments, despite your arguments, who first criticized Hezbollah, have now changed their tune. Now they’re sharply critical of Israel.
And despite from both of you warnings to Syria and Iran to back off support from Hezbollah, effectively, Mr. President, your words are being ignored.
So what has happened to America’s clout in this region that you’ve committed yourself to transform?
Keep going for the answer:
BUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
For a while, American foreign policy was just, “Let’s hope everything is calm” — kind of, managed calm. But beneath the surface brewed a lot of resentment and anger that was manifested on September the 11th.
Whereas Bill Clinton invested his all in trying to broker a permanent agreement on the Israel/Palestinian question (managed calm with a goal), Bush has no interest in calm. For the neo-conservatives, calm is a dangerous illusion that allows anger to fester until it manifests itself in events like 9/11.
Micheal Ledeen explains: “The only way we are going to win this war is to bring down those regimes in Tehran and Damascus, and they are not going to fall as a result of fighting between their terrorist proxies in Gaza and Lebanon on the one hand, and Israel on the other. Only the United States can accomplish it.”
Bush continues:
And so we’ve taken a foreign policy that says: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.
And make no mistake: They’re still out there, and they would like to harm our respective peoples because of what we stand for. In the long term, to defeat this ideology — and they’re bound by an ideology — you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
I think Vladimir Putin had the perfect rejoinder for this:
Bush: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there’s a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same.
Putin: We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly.
We have to keep reminding people that our allies in the region (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, and the Emirates) are not free, they have no free press, their elections are limited shams. Elections in Palestine resulted in a victory for Hamas. Elections in Lebanon resulted in seats for Hezbollah. Elections in Iraq resulted in a pro-Iranian government. The more elections we have the less popular we are and the more influence Iran gains. Freedom doesn’t equal a population that elects American/Israeli puppets to represent them.
More Bush:
And, look, I fully understand some people don’t believe it’s possible for freedom and democracy to overcome this ideology of hatred. I understand that. I just happen to believe it is possible. And I believe it will happen.
And so what you’re seeing is, you know, a clash of governing styles. For example, you know, the notion of democracy beginning to emerge scares the ideologues, the totalitarians, those who want to impose their vision. It just frightens them.
And so they respond. They’ve always been violent.
Once again, it is not the ‘terrorists’ that are frightened by the election results in the Middle East, but anyone that is concerned about stability, America’s influence, the price of oil, the security of Israel, or peace in the region. Simply put, there is a reason that we pay for the governments and militaries of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan. They don’t bother Israel and they do business with us. The longer we continue backing Israel’s occupation of contested lands, the less we can afford democracy anywhere near the Middle East.
Bush again:
You know, I hear this amazing kind of editorial thought that says, all of a sudden, Hezbollah’s become violent because we’re promoting democracy. They have been violent for a long period of time. Or Hamas?
One reason why the Palestinians still suffer is because there are militants who refuse to accept a Palestinian state based upon democratic principles.
Another reason they suffer is because Bush has done virtually nothing to try to bring about a Palestinian state based on democratic principles. Bush certainly hasn’t respected the outcome of their latest election.
And so what the world is seeing is a desire by this country and our allies to defeat the ideology of hate with an ideology that has worked and that brings hope.
And one of the challenges, of course, is to convince people that Muslims would like to be free, that there’s other people other than people in Britain and America that would like to be free in the world.
There’s this kind of almost — kind of a weird kind of elitism that says well maybe — maybe certain people in certain parts of the world shouldn’t be free; maybe it’s best just to let them sit in these tyrannical societies.
And our foreign policy rejects that concept. And we don’t accept it.
Once again, Bush displays an astonishing ability to distort reality. Palestine has elections, Bush rejects the result. Lebanon has elections, Bush allows Israel to destroy their infrastructure. Meanwhile Bush does almost nothing about the tyrants in the region we count as our allies. And he has the gall to say he has a strategy of spreading freedom that is the reason America is hated and a target for reprisals.
He simply refuses to think about difficult issues like: will Saudi Arabia splinter like Iraq without a strongarm government? Or why, in Lebanon, eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hizbullah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis?
And so we’re working. And this is — I said the other day, when these attacks took place, I said it should be a moment of clarity for people to see the stakes in the 21st century.
I mean, now there’s an unprovoked attack on a democracy. Why? I happen to believe because progress is being made toward democracies.
And I believe that — I also believe that Iran would like to exert additional influence in the region; a theocracy would like to spread its influence using surrogates.
And so I’m as determined as ever to continue fostering a foreign policy based upon liberty. And I think it’s going to work unless we lose our nerve and quit. And this government isn’t going to quit.
If they are not going to quit then they need to be removed from office. They are literally destroying the world.
Bush is simply (and likely simplifying) the bullet points handed to him by Cheney and Rumsfeld. It’s all good v. evil for Dubya. Terrorists bad, Israel and US good. Liberals bad, Conservatives good. Iran bad, Saudis good.
Frankly I’m amazed he did as well as he did regurgitating that pap.
also in orange.
Ledeen’s view of a perfect middle east always reminds me of a Harlequin Romance … lots of sexual clashing about and thus no time for a meeting of the minds (assuming there really are minds to meet) and then bingo, the final chapter is the moment they discover their hearts and run off to get married. Yup, never a thought to the day after. And that’s all there is you say, well, yes, unless they do it again.
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It makes me feel so empty, so helpless. We warned beforehand, prior to his ill fated invasion of Iraq. Bush has brought war, not peace. He’s Thor.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
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I recall at the end of the cold war, a question posed in one of the mainstream mags, “Is the American President relevant?”
Of course, it was a dig at Bill Clinton, but the underlying premise was that, with the end of the cold war, the President could merely be a figurehead to pass the congressional laws. Foreign policy didn’t matter anymore, as the cold war was over. Domestic policy could be debated in congress, and let’s face it, it was primarily incremental changes in domestic policy.
So what was the need for a President knowledgable about world issues? One who could broker peace like Jimmy Carter, or negotiate with potential adversaries like Reagan did with Gorbachev? One who could exploit economic events to balance the budget and have economic growth at the same time like Clinton.
No, none of that was relevant anymore, the paradigm had shifted.
And this is what we ended up with (sigh).
It seems to me, that Israel had the opportunity to negotiate for the release of their soldiers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe prisoner release was the reason for the two kidnappings, correct?
The United States did not start a war over the Iranian hostage crisis, under Carter.
Instead of negotiating, Israel preferred to turn the place into a shooting gallery.
Negotiations were good enough for the United States. What went wrong here?
Hizbollah and Israel do this kidnapping and prisoner exchange routinely. Nasrallah said it himself — the only way to get Israel to release the hundreds of Palestinians being held without trial is to kidnap one or two Israeli soldiers for a few days, negotiate with IDF for their release, and those hundreds of Palestinian prisoners are also released.
Neither side has ever treated it as other than routine.
Until this time. This time America and Israel set out to use the latest kidnapping as a pretext for total war, beginning in Lebanon and soon extending to Iran.
Let’s see. Bombs, torture and unlawful detentions are going to do away with the idealogy of hate. Is he on effing crack?
the irony of this quote just oozes off the page
I need a drink…
Later
IMO, Bush is speaking not to the world community. I think Bush is basically doing sales, directed to the local consumers – and sales is not about logic or rational thinking.
My take: We’re getting to the bottom of this which is that these people don’t live the right way – the American way – the Christian American way. 9-11, 9-11, 9-11 (which still gives Bush a bump in polls.)
My take: The killers are still on the loose, so be afraid. They want to hurt you and yours just because you are Christian Americans. You defeat them by making them like us.
My take: There are nonbelievers, doubters that Christianity can overcome Islam. And those Commie totalitarians (which you all remember were our sworn enemies), have just morphed into Moslems – who have always been violent. So we need to continue to be afraid, though God is on our side.
My take: Nonbelievers cause others to suffer because they will not accept a Christian way of life.
My take: We are going to defeat Islam with Christianity. Elitism – those nonbelieving, intellectuals who know squat about real life would just let nonChristians, sinners, stay unsaved.
My take: If the President says it was “unprovoked,” then everyone else is telling lies. Progress is being made in spreading Christianity. Iran, just like the Godless, communist Soviet Union, wants to butt into other countries and spread Islam. We will continue to base our foreign policy on Christianity, spreading the true Word. Lose nerve and quit like Vietnam? Remember that “failure?” This time it will be different.
Isn’t that what they call projection?
The idea of an arms dealer having a “foreign policy” just cracks me up.
Bush has no idea what he’s saying. He’s just reading the talking points handed him, not by Cheney but by AIPAC and the NeoCons such as Perle and others, he has no idea what he’s actually saying and his delivery shows it.
Whenever I hear him start with the ‘some people’ straw man I always pay a little more attention to see what new line of bullshit he’s gonna spew.
Up is down….
War is peace….
Let’s impeach his dumb ass right now.
I agree. He sounds as if he’s repeating something he’s memorized but doesn’t understand.
I saw a some excerpts of the briefing on The News Hour. They ran a minute or two of Bush followed by a minute or two of Blair. What I saw in both cases was positively frightening.
Everyone keeps saying Bush was repeating talking points. I didn’t hear any coherent talking points. I heard a mishmash of phrases that might have come from somebody’s talking points, but they were just run together indiscriminately. I don’t think there was a complete grammatical sentence in the clip anywhere. If there was a coherent thought expressed I could not parse it. What he said made no sense at all, as talking points or anything else. The tone, volume, and speed of his speech kept increasing has he spoke. What I heard was a hysterical, incoherent rant, devoid of meaning. What I heard scares the hell out of me. This guy holds the fate of Western Civilization in his hands, and he was gibbering like an idiot.
And as scary as that is, that’s not the worst of it. Blair didn’t make any sense either. Tony is usually pretty well spoken. Even when he’s lying he can sound pretty rational. But he sounded every bit as incoherent as Bush. I think they’re both scared shitless. I think the wheels are coming off and they don’t know what to do about it.
so, let’s see here. Calmness means that war is inevitable so we should start wars whenever its calm… “Warning, Warning, that does not compute… That does not compute… Danger, Wil Robinson… Dr. Smith is incapable of telling the truth… I can not accept that course of action.”
This little war in Lebanon is just prelude to wider war with Iran. America and Israel have set out to transform the Middle East once and for all, very likely including the use of tactical nukes.
The expansion of this splendid little war will be Israeli air strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
The Revolt of the Generals removed nuclear bunker busters from the Iran Plan over at the White House. The Air Force replacement solution is ‘multiple conventional strikes’ on every Iranian bunker, instead (boom boom boom is the same as K-A-B-A-B-O-O-M! in USAF parlance.
The USAF is actively pushing a month-long campaign across Iran, hitting hundreds of targets, making that nation’s military incapable of effective response. No boots on the ground needed.
Regime collapse, Tonto. Regime change.
Well now . . . another Tee-Vee war in the Middle East would be just dandy for the November elections, thinks the Bush crew. But how to start the damn thing? The American public just isn’t buying Iraq: The Sequel. Oh, they want some Armageddon over there, but it has to look . . . all destined and such.
Well, if America can’t start the damn thing, America can still come in on a white horse and save the situation if it were to get out of hand.
How to get the Middle East out of hand? Ignoring it for five long years hasn’t done the trick.
Israel. If Israel can mix it up with Iran’s proxies, Iran will help those proxies with weapons and missiles. That’s a solid self-defense excuse for Israel to strike Iran.
Besides, Israel has already said that Iran has crossed “the tipping point,” where enriching uranium has earned them a preemptive Israeli air strike. Bush has publicly said that Israel is likely to act on its own that way.
Two good excuses for Israel to smite Iran!
And when Iran strikes back, America has a license to kill. America already has the extra aircraft carriers loitering in the region by, ummm, happenstance. We’re actually all ready to rumble.
Solution: have Israel start with Hizbollah in southern Lebanon, and after some smash and grab, launch some of America’s best bunker busters on Iran.
Just don’t let the UN eff things up with their peacekeeping and shit. Keep diplomacy alive until the Israelis have a few divisions active in the field so Syria can’t act.
Heh heh — Condi can’t act either, come to think of it. But she’ll have to. This show must go on.
This can work. Hell, this has to work.
Dammit, boys — America needs a new pair of shoes.