It seems to me, anyhow, that the US of A has lost this war on many fronts. With this being said, the lost friendships of some has gone bye bye for ever. Not that we really did have any substantial close ties to anyone there in the first place.
Assuming that we did want to make Iraq a safe place for it’s citizens, is just a facade` all over the place. Many have discussed the ties to Iraq now to the southern part of the country and the Shia who have become the dominating force, but now we have the middle part bursting at the seams of violence. So now what??!!
Stay with me here if you will, more to come…..
In reading of yesterdays news, I find we have blundered yet once again to become strong on the hold we should have against violence and the surrounding countries to intervene on behalf of the Iraqis. There is little left to be said our our reasoning here in this country, IMHO. Whilst we all sit drinking our coffee and doing our Saturday chores, we find that the northern third of the country is in a battle for its existence as well. So be it for a democratic government for all in Iraq. So now what.
can you enlighten me more on this and let me know what will happen next
The oil fields that are rich in the black gold, are up for grabs it seems for the Kurds. I suspect we are really in for a big surprise on what is to happen next. Did anyone say GWBush is a brilliant man for all he has done to the ME? This one administration has dealt a very bad hand to a lot of ppl. What is the ace in the hole for this administration? The political stage of which we are now watching ppl preform, is falling apart. Too many ppl are now wising up to the fact that the bush crime family is someone who the crowd of nationals ought to be shying away from, if their existence is to be from here on out. Anyone who has, oh lets say, just a minute` relationship with this government of ours, is in trouble, big time!
To me the Turks have been itching for sometime now, to go in the Northern Iraq and take it over. Could this be why they never agreed with the US on a landing/start basing for our military in the first place, back in 03? Did they have bigger and better plans for what they wanted to do, all along? Did Turkey and Iran side together on what they wanted from their stay in all of this? What about Syria? What is their stand in this? Could it be all about a pipeline? Now am I getting hot or what? Just remember about the pipeline that is needed to get the oil out…Talk about strange bedfellows…..
Remember way back when that the Syrians were stiefeling off that black gold for themselves at the beginning of the war and that it was like a free commodity, sort of? Oh my heavens what next in this saga?
Not sure that’s the case with Turkey, Brenda. Though they have a great concern about the Kurds and would probably invade if they had to in their opinion, the thing with the Turks, at least over here in Europe, is their great interest in joining the EU. Any aggressive acts will kill that flat. I also believe that they did that in 03 for the same reasons, the EU is becoming a better friend than the US and they sided with most of the countries of “old Europe” against the aggression of the US. I think that needs to be considered as well.
How relevant is the EU nowadays? I find it hard to see the Turks not wanting the oil fields of northern Iraq as theirs. After all look at the teachers of this and how the American bush administration has taught others how to get what they want…just go in and take it. I just do not know. I am basically looking in on something that has been going on for sometime now. I think this has started way long before this particular war. Anyhow Anything you can say here to me to change my mind is very welcome. Thanks..JD…hugs
As far as an economic concern, the EU is very much relevant. I’m sure Jerome has much better insight to this than I, though. No borders as far as work permits, the euro whose strong exchange value with the dollar is really kicking my ass with my VA check and student loans, multitudes of free trade agreements. The Turks have for years very badly wanted to join the EU but the Turks have to work on their human rights and death penalty problems first, which they have been. 40% of immigrants here in Germany are Turks because they’re the ones who provided to manual labor to rebuild this country after the war. The EU means a great increase in the standard of living. The EU has a problem politically agreeing on anything because of so many national interests amoung the members often clash and they have a problem with seeing Turkey as oriental rather than occidental which translates into the Turks being the “Other”, but as an economic powerhouse, I think the euro=dollar exchange rate is a good indicator of it’s relevancy.
The Turks do NOT want to give that up, which invading oil fields would definately lock them out for good as a pariah. The Turks tried the aggression thing for the oil fields once, and WWI really set the country back when they lost. Sure the oil would benefit them, but is the oil worth giving up everything they’ve worked for for year when they could attain prosperity with EU status and without the pariah status?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that there are possible other interests and concerns that possibly outweigh any advantage the Turks may get from oil fields. American aggression just doesn’t go over very well over here – or outside the US really as it is seen by it’s real, ugly face for what it is, it’s just diplomats can’t say it out loud (but it gets leaked occasionally like the deputy PM who called Bush “crap”).
Kurdish independence is a whole other can of worms, though.
Hugs back at ya Brenda.
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Better find a quality paper to read and not the New York Times! These articles are opinionated pieces with too little content or adherance to facts on the ground.
Article is an upbeat to an Iranian attack on their nuclear facilities and another excuse to support further separation of the Kurdish minority with the oilfields of Kirkuk and Mosul in the North. Israeli support and presence has been the silent invasion from the start (or even before) the war on the Northern front.
SCIRI leader and hawk Hakim has warned the Sunni Arabs to take part in the Democratic process and refrain from further suicide attacks on Shia population and Holy places. Are these car bombs all executed by the Sunni insurgency?
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All was lost years ago.
The real point, as you mention, is the Kurd vs. Turkey, northern oil connection.
Thank you Gainne. I know that this of which you say is true. It is just getting worse. Nothing is on the news of this that I know of. It seems that they have forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan. It is all something else now. The media have a one thing at a time mindset. Once Turkey comes over for real and America has to confront them, all will really be lost for the Americans. Thanks again for adding to our comunications of the day.