ok, so some of you don’t like to hear anything about dkos, because that’s there and this is here. well, as i see it, dkos is important as a study in how ‘radical’ opinion is shoe-horned into mainstream boots. of how, in other words, to have a revolution that doesn’t shake things up too much.
kossack behavior around 9/11 has long fascinated me as a particularly salient example of manufactured mass unconsciousness. i’m talking about the way that a majority can be rendered virtually invisible by a minority in control. but it’s more than simple minority over majority. minority over majority represents a deeper truth – that being the way in which a dominant, manufactured, interpretation alienates individuals from their own ‘gut’ reactions. y’all know the phrase: who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
there’s a particularly well-written diary up just now on the dkos recommended list, titled, From now on, I refuse to deny my gut instinct. aside from the clear writing and lack of manic hyperbole, it reminds me of an old diary by thereisnospoon, about how we should all start assuming THE WORST about Bushco… cause tinfoil as the worst sounds, it keeps on proving to be the case.
like this current diary, that diary was widely recommended. you see, it’s ok in kos-land to believe there’s something fucked about the official 9/11 story, so long as you don’t say so, or say so specifically. best, if you just feel it but never allow the feeling to see the light of conscious articulation. prominent kossacks have bet heavy on repression and ridicule of discussion of 9/11, though they still believe in general that Bushco is entirely unprincipled and capable of anything in pursuit of power and profit. it leads to some odd juxtapositions.
nyceve, for example writes
JuliaAnn, this is one hell of a great diary . . . (149+ / 0-)
And thank you for having the courage and the intellect to articulate in a rational, clear and straightforward manner what many of us also fear may be true.
by nyceve on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 05:16:57 AM PDT
recognizing that she’s just tacitly endorsed a claim that 9/11 Commission report was a total “blow job,” nyceve is quick to attempt to distance herself from the fringe 70% of kossacks who question the official 9/11 tale:
And BTW, JuliaAnn . . . (18+ / 0-)
I’m not speaking of LIHOP or MIHOP–that is almost unimportant at this point in history. MIHOP IMO, is total bullshit.
Even worse, MIHOP discussions distract terribly from getting at the underlying truth of what is going on in this country that you have articulated so well.
So I hope this thread will stay away from LIHOP/MIHOP which trivializes what Americans are dealing with, and focus on the important underlying message of JuliaAnn’s diary…
yup, what actually happened on 9/11 is trivial at this point. a distraction from the endlessly acceptable debates about how to convince Americans that Democrats know better how to win the ‘War on Terror.’ so long as some are willing and able to manufacture wars, then we shall continue to be their slaves, forever tasked with cleaning up the chaos they willfully create.
well, it’s 5:30 am… sorry but i’m going to have to leave you to draw your own conclusions.
I read that diary and commented in it, being in agreement with virtually everything that was written in it. I didn’t care for the reference to education, because it was used as a gauge of a person’s ability to be grounded in reality. Those things always piss me off. But in general it was one of, if not the best, diaries I’ve ever read there. It’s pretty clear that the overwhelming majority of users there are firmly sceptical of the official 911 story. But they are successfully herded by a small group who threaten and use banning as a tool.
Thereisnospoon’s diary telling everyone to calm the fuck down after torture was made the law of the land, was offensive, but typical. Shut the fuck up and get in line with the program. Vote for the same sorry shitbags that just signed away your rights. It’s pathetic. Pathetic because it’s a microcosm of the country and the democratic party at large. They aren’t crashing the gates. They’re complicit in keeping them locked.
thanks a bunch for the comment.
i only occaisionally drop in to see what’s brewing in kosland, and so only caught the reaction to spoon’s calm the fuck down diary. interested now to go back and read it.
but yeah, even not having read it i feel safe imagining it as the same old shit. how else are we supposed to continue supporting the dems except under compulsion?
You’re welcome
I’m an infrequent reader there too. Though the coverage of the Foley stuff has been pretty good. They smell blood. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.
As a old-UID but non-influential person over there, I have never told anyone to calm down about anything, and never would. Really. I have not been successfully herded anywhere except over here, and often, by this site’s small group of influentially ass-kicking writers who conveniently post in both orange and green.
I’m under no illusion that anybody’s crashing any gates anywhere, thank you very much. That’s not going to happen because of the internets. When people spend too much time on the web that means they’re not out DOING in the world. These sites are only, and have always been, for me, friendly receptive places to go vent and not be called a slavering unbalanced traitor. I make it a point to not do that to others, and would appreciate not being lumped in with the elite orange jacket crowd when I in fact have uniforms of orange, green, blue, and crimson (or whatever MLW is).
I’m totally over-reacting to your post but what the hell, I’ll take it personally. Don’t be a prick.
it seems to me that you’re lumping yourself in and then feeling resentful about it. if you’re not a herder, great. the herders still exist. if you’re not deluded about gate-crashing, fantastic. kos certainly seems to be.
and so on…
There’s that low uid thing again ;o) Another unfortunate habit of Koslanders.
I actually liked to use that over as a great reason to NOT care or give credence to low-UID people; it is just a number after all. It totally escaped me that I fell into that habit just now. Sorry. Simon Malthus is correct in noting that I seemed to lump myself in there for the sake of feeling resentful, but after thinking about it I don’t feel more at home here or there, though I’m certainly there more often than here.
Hey,
No problem. Sorry if I twisted your whiskers too tight! :o) I get defensive myself when someone takes a swipe at BT. You know, I always feel a small twinge of discomfort when I critisize dKos, for some sorry reason.
Oh yeah, I might finally turn out cool too. Here’s hoping that we all do…..