How did Progressives do?
You can look at a list of the Blue Dog Democrats here.
The following Blue Dogs are no longer in Congress:
Ed Case (Hawaii) and Harold Ford, Jr. (Tennessee).
Meanwhile, Jane Harman (California) will probably be denied her chairmanship of the Intelligence Committee. Collin Peterson (Minnesota) will probably get the Chair of the Agriculture Committee. That looks to be the extent of their power in the new Congress.
You can look at a list of the New Democrats (DLC) here.
Juanita Millender-McDonald (California) stands to chair the House Administration Committee. She’s a New Democrat but she is also an African-American woman, and the first ever to chair a permanent committee of Congress. Rep. Silvestre Reyes (Texas) might get the chair of Intelligence (if Alcee Hastings is denied). He’s a new Democrat, but he’s also Hispanic. That would also be a first as far as I know. John Spratt (South Carolina) will be chair of the Budget Committee. This is the full extent of DLC power in the new house.
Here’s a list of the Progressive Caucus. Sherrod Brown in now a Senator from Ohio. Bernie Sanders in now a Senator from Vermont. John Conyers, Jr. will now chair the Judiciary Committee. Bob Filner will chair the Veteran’s Affairs Committee. Barney Frank will chair the Finances Committee. Tom Lantos will chair the Foreign Relations Committee. George Miller will chair the Education Committee. Charlie Rangel will chair the Ways and Means Committee. Louis Slaughter will chair the Rules Committee. Bennie Thompson will chair the Homeland Security Committee. Nydia Velazquez will chair the Small Business Committee. And Henry Waxman will chair the Government Reform Committee.
So, don’t listen to naysayers, or to the media, or to Rahm Emanuel. Progressives WILL NOW DOMINATE in the House. Progressives HAVE NEVER WIELDED THIS MUCH POWER IN HISTORY within either chamber of Congress.
The Senate is a different story. Adding Brown and Sanders and Whitehouse and Klobuchar is great. Adding Casey Jr. and Webb? Not so much. Overall, it’s more significant that Kennedy will take over Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, Leahy will take over Judiciary, and maybe Boxer and Murray might wind up with committees. It’s progress.
Then you have Biden at the helm for foreign policy?
BooMan, Why do you think Jane Harman will be denied the Chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee?
because she has throrougly pissed off Pelosi.
I guess I could now go google Harman and Pelosi, and probably will, but here I’m in the presence of political junkies whose junkitude far exceeds mine (and I’m in the outer fringes).
My understanding was that the Democrats always followed the rule that chairmanships were based on seniority.
In contrast, the radical Gingrich/Delay/Hastert regime of fools abandoned that and made chairmanships dependent on the pleasure of the Speaker. (My source: John Dean’s Conscience of a Conservative, which I just finished.)
Do we have any reason to think that Pelosi will adopt the Hastert model over the Tip O’Neill model?
Harman has been accused of using AIPAC to lobby Pelosi for the chair. Dunno if that is true, but I do know Pelosi is not inclined to give her the chair and wasn’t even before any alleged harrassment.
So, no, I do not think Harman will get it. The problem is that Hastings was impeached as a judge back in the 80’s and there is a little image problem there. That is why Reyes might get it.
I really do believe that your knowledge of political inside baseball is superior to mine, in most areas. But I’m doubting this one prediction. Gentleman’s bet: Harman takes the chair. I agree it never goes to Hastings.
By the way, on a loose literary purist’s kind of thinking, I’ve often scoffed at the label “progressive” preferring things like “social justice.” But I followed your link to the progressive caucus web site, and those are definitely my allies. Especially Dennis Kucinich.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&refer=home&sid=aL6hiJ_1E1IY
Excellent point. After some research, I see that my understanding was incorrect. In 1975, the rules were changed, so that seniority no longer is the major detail. Instead, after that change committee chairmanships in the House are nominated by the Speaker and decided by the caucus. So it’s not up to Pelosi, although she has the biggest voice.
I still predict Harman. We’ll see. I won the last google battle I fought with you (over an 9/11 controversy) but you surely have a good shot at winning this one.
Put Webb on the Senate Armed Services Committee; he knows where the bodies are buried and where the graft is occurring.
Casey, Jr. on Ways and Means and away from Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions; also away from Judiciary.
These freshmen won’t be chairs yet.
actually, HELP is exactly where I want Casey. That’s his strong suit.
Ways and Means is a house committee whose responsibilies are divided in the Senate.
Like when the federal Dept of HEW was split to Health-Human services and Education, it would be good if this Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee had Health split from it so as not to traumatize both Casey and all women. Health is an objective science (hopefully), and those who put their religion above others health related issues should not be on such a health committee, IMO! Therefore as the committee is currently structured, I strongly, strongly disagree with your idea here about Casey and HELP and hope it does not happen!
One “interesting” contrasts is watching Rahm Emmanuel’s speech in response to the election vs. Howard Dean’s. Rahm does not look like he is happy. Several partial smiles, not involving the whole of his face – a real clue to lack of genuineness on his part.
He tries to take credit for the entire win. If you don’t listen carefully, it sounds like he and his crew had a 50 state effort, that they picked all the winners, and supported all the winners. He does barely sneak in “in the states/races that we supported”, and mention that they picked races where Kerry had gone over 50%. Didn’t mention the DNC, or Howard Dean, or anyone else at all.
Dean on the other hand was very gracious. Thanked Rahm, Schumer, and Bill Clinton. Mentioned building the party, etc. No gloating, just happiness.
You gotta love Howard Dean. The man’s a godsend.
Well, some good signs, thankfully. We’ll see how Pelosi and Murtha run the party (Murtha really tore into Hoyer on NPR this morning).
Thankfully, since so many of the newbies trend left, Hoyer will be less likely to be able to cause Pelosi trouble. Hopefully, all of this talk of bipartisanship is just talk, and the investigations commence with vigor.
My predictions were wrong, thankfully. I’ll still probably be a pain in the ass, though, as I think the Dems still don’t see that the way to run and win is to break to the left. I’ll be bitching away when if and when they fuck over the base.
I’ll be bitching away when if and when they fuck over the base.
I, for one, am counting on it.
Just realized I was too brief. I’m counting on your bitching when/if we feel fucked over.
That’s funny NL, I read it both ways — you’re counting on the Dems to fuck over the base which they most definitely will, as well as MM to call them on it 😉
I’ll give you credit for owning up to the fact that you were off on some predictions and acknowledging that progressives made real tangible gains.
I never wanted to fight with you, but I did disagree with you. And I wanted to give you some cause for optimism. This is the first time since 1992 that we have made any progress. And you can’t deny that we did it in the teeth of Rahm, TNR, the DLC, Schumer, the media…
This was a major victory for all of us, you included. I’m sorry about the marriage and immigration votes. They put a real damper on an otherwise stellar evening.
outside of the abortion issue, can anyone tell me what’s wrong with Casey or Webb? I don’t get what people are talking about here–unless the moon of abortion truly eclipses your view of the Sun of all other issues.
You are clueless. May maturity and the ability to see a viewpoint other than your own come your way soon.
it’s very simple, really.
Abortion isn’t just an “issue”. An “issue” is something about which reasonable people can disagree. Abortion isn’t one of those things.
“Wait,” you say, “very smart and reasonable people think it’s wrong.”
Well, they may be smart and reasonable about other things, but if they believe that society has a right to seize control of the bodies of fully half of the population, forcing them to risk their health and life because the POTENTIAL life inside is of HIGHER value, then they are being unreasonable and not very smart.
It’s very simple. A fully born, living, breathing human being, if they are truly free and recognized as equal before the law, has a right to control their own bodies. If they can’t, then they aren’t free, and our promises that this is a country of laws are broken. Women either have full autonomy over their bodies, or they don’t. If they don’t, then they are having their human rights taken away.
It sickens me that people like you so cavalierly dismiss the full human rights of half of the human race. How dare you?
You have way more patience with spoonfulofFeignedIgnorance than I do today.
he’s young, stupid and arrogant. Someone has to school him.
lol. whatever.
You people sound like the anti-marijuana crowd talking about “gateway drugs.”
One’s position on abortion doesn’t have SQUAT to do with one’s other progressive positions.
and no matter how good you might be on some progressive issues, it doesn’t mean SQUAT if you are willing to endorse the enslavement of women and give over their health decisions to the state.
I don’t care if you are a progressive, a libertarian, or a democratic/libertarian, there is no place in our party for people like Bob Casey.
It is just as serious as segregation.
And just like George Allen learned, they are some things that are disqualifying.
Boo, I hear your passion on this issue, but I just fundamentally disagree that it’s a deal-breaker. See my response to Cabingirl below.
Pretty damned easy to think it’s no “deal breaker” when you’re someone who has and has always had sole sovereighty over YOUR own body, who gets to have sex whenever and however YOU want, without ever ONCE having to worry about whether doing so may alter YOUR body and YOUR life, from that day foward, no matter what YOU choose to do about what has just been implanted in YOUR body by someone else. You will also never have to experience WOMEN making any decisions for YOU, about what YOU can and cannot do with YOUR own body.
Which means you don’t know jack SHIT about what this little “issue” entails for WOMEN, so all you are accomplishing here is to further exhibit your immature male arrogance and the depth of your chosen ignorance.
Thanks for making Madman’s point for him. Your only purpose in this thread seems to be to insult anyone who thinks women should have the same rights over their boies and lives that men do.
wrong. I’m pro-choice. Unlike you, however, i’m not willing to throw anybody who doesn’t agree with me on this truly complicated issue out of the Party.
And don’t give me any bullshit about how it isn’t complicated, or how it’s a morally clear issue. It isn’t.
My right to swing my fist ends at your nose. The question on abortion is whether the fetus constitutes a nose that the mother does not have the right to swing her fist at.
I say it doesn’t. Many say it does. It’s a TOUGH problem, and to say it isn’t shows YOUR naivete, not mine.
You know next to nothing about how I feel on any issue, spoon. Don’t claim otherwise.
Take your sanctimonious arrogance back to big orange, where you can continue your lovely habit of denigrating BooTrib by telling anyone you don’t agree with they should post over here. I’m sure your attitude plays better with your cronies there anyway.
I apologize for the thread now being hidden but spoonz bullshit got a little too rank, so I troll rated his ass outta here.
Me thinks it’s because that would be the stance of, as CG puts it, feigned ignorance, that is keeping the consulting contracts rolling in.
outside of the segregathion issue, can anyone tell me what’s wrong with Russell or Byrd? I don’t get what people are talking about here–unless the moon of segregation truly eclipses your view of the Sun of all other issues.
It’s that simple spoon. Either you are with us or you are against us.
Roe may not be the best decision or the best way to protect women’s rights. That is debatable. What is not debatable is that Casey’s position on abortion is dreadful and morally unacceptable.
Tom Lantos will chair the Foreign Relations Committee.
Lantos may be a progressive on economics, the environment and other issues, but sadly on foreign policy, he is no good news. Remember the babies thrown from incubators story (1991 Gulf War)? He had a role in it. His positions on Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon/Israel weren’t progressive either.
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